Jaded Poll

[yeahwho]

here we are in the weaning years of GWB's administration and I'll tell you what I think, not even in my wildest dreams could I imagine this guy would of ever been this much of a colossal fuck up. It seems as if it just comes natural to him to defy logic.

So I'm starting to become jaded. I need to be shook out of this state, because I know it's unhealthy, but everything this guy does just makes so little sense I've become weary.

So here's a poll to get a feeling of your take on the GWB 8 year reign of the USA.

[Ali]

It's like one of those old sitcoms that keeps on being re-run every single night.

[enree erzweglle]

I voted completely jaded. But doesn't jaded imply a breaking down or gradual waning of enthusiasm? If so, then I'm not jaded at all because I never had any enthusiasm for GW to begin with.

About the only positive thing I can say about him is that he provides plenty of opportunities for me to practice patience.

[sam i am]

I voted completely jaded. But doesn't jaded imply a breaking down or gradual waning of enthusiasm? If so, then I'm not jaded at all because I never had any enthusiasm for GW to begin with.

About the only positive thing I can say about him is that he provides plenty of opportunities for me to practice patience.

Patience is a virtue. :)

[D_Raay]

here we are in the weaning years of GWB's administration and I'll tell you what I think, not even in my wildest dreams could I imagine this guy would of ever been this much of a colossal fuck up. It seems as if it just comes natural to him to defy logic.

So I'm starting to become jaded. I need to be shook out of this state, because I know it's unhealthy, but everything this guy does just makes so little sense I've become weary.

So here's a poll to get a feeling of your take on the GWB 8 year reign of the USA.
What has me jaded yeah, is that the agenda never alters. Even in the face of overwhelming dissent from the public, they just play their PR game while they continue to take steps to damage this country.

[sam i am]

What has me jaded yeah, is that the agenda never alters. Even in the face of overwhelming dissent from the public, they just play their PR game while they continue to take steps to damage this country.

I know you feel the country has been damaged by the current administration. I know you feel there is "overwhelming dissent from the public." I guess my question to you is : what is the alternative? What is going to happen when the Republicans either maintain or grow their majorities in Congress next year and we have another Republican President in 2008?

I know this is a conjectural query, but I'd be really curious to know what you envision the worst case scenarios to be like. Then, next year and after 2008, we can refer back to this and see who's been right and who's been wrong. Deal?

[D_Raay]

I know you feel the country has been damaged by the current administration. I know you feel there is "overwhelming dissent from the public." I guess my question to you is : what is the alternative? What is going to happen when the Republicans either maintain or grow their majorities in Congress next year and we have another Republican President in 2008?

I know this is a conjectural query, but I'd be really curious to know what you envision the worst case scenarios to be like. Then, next year and after 2008, we can refer back to this and see who's been right and who's been wrong. Deal?
There is no doubt in my mind that the reign of the Republicans is going to end.

And the short life of it will show just how off track the party has gone under the current administration.

[Qdrop]

There is no doubt in my mind that the reign of the Republicans is going to end.



yeah, we all felt like that in Nov 2004 too....

look what happened.

point being...take nothing for granted.

[sam i am]

There is no doubt in my mind that the reign of the Republicans is going to end.

And the short life of it will show just how off track the party has gone under the current administration.

OK. We'll see. Didn't you think the same thing in 1992? 94? 96? 98? 2000? 2002? 04? etc......

[D_Raay]

OK. We'll see. Didn't you think the same thing in 1992? 94? 96? 98? 2000? 2002? 04? etc......
That is not even a viable question. The republicans did not hold a majority until 2000.

[yeahwho]

In 100+ years, when the shining light of democracy, peace and freedom has been long established in the middle east, there will be statues of George W. Bush on every street corner from Basra to Tel Aviv.

Not.

[sam i am]

That is not even a viable question. The republicans did not hold a majority until 2000.

What? 1994 - Republicans take over the House. We've held the majority since then.

[sam i am]

In 100+ years, when the shining light of democracy, peace and freedom has been long established in the middle east, there will be statues of George W. Bush on every street corner from Basra to Tel Aviv.

Not.

Just as likely to happen as your cynical outcome of endless war, I'd wager.

[ericg]

"Someone once wrote, 'Hell is the impossibility of reason.'"

Yeah. The country's morale and character has suffered a depravity that delivers a harder blow to my time span as a whole each day... Just to keep guarded against it's ruin, sabotaged potential, and the wrought course's begotten... that disrupted my growth in ways you wouldn't believe along time ago is a struggle I relentlessly find is nothing short of futile when it comes to honest living. No matter how I was meant, where I've been, what I've known, or the momentum I've had, I seemed to have lost all solace...

Besides the fact that it has hit ever closer to home than.... the circumstance and situation is due greatly to the absence of recognition and any timely, deliberate action directed in the eradication of it's lecherous presence and the restoration of a progressive agenda... It's dehumanizing. And it's hittin' those with any kind of good reason the hardest... making it as if not much exists at all in any and every aspect of today's relative...

It's as if the country has been in a 13 step program for ages and still hasn't gotten anywhere.

Whoever said that what doesn't kill us makes us stronger hasn't walked in too many shoes.

"... What's it take to get it through to you precious... what a mess... I don't want to watch you... Dis-con-nect..."
"... (You) just didn't want to know..."
"... Your halo slippin' down to choke you now..."



"... Hear me.... Lift me back up to the sun..."
- Perfect Circle

I've been quelled too long, and will soon either be out of the country or dead.

[yeahwho]

Just as likely to happen as your cynical outcome of endless war, I'd wager.

I'm not cynical, I'm jaded. What exactly is this presidents baliwick? Profiteering and tax breaks? What a mess.

PS this isn't an endless war, it is a lie propagated to get oil before Russia or China sweet talk Saddam out of it. The WMD turned out to be a lie, did you hear about that? Been in the papers since before "Mission Accomplished".

[Documad]

I don't know how to respond. I never had any expectations for W. He's not as bad as I imagined he could be, but I'm a glass is half empty kind of gal.

When you take the focus off the presidency, I'm not that jaded. I still believe in the US system of government, even though I think my fellow Americans need to get off their asses and pay more attention to what is happening. I think that things are going pretty well at my local level and that's more important to me than the national stuff. I think that most of the time policians are doing what they think it the right thing. They're not as dirty as they used to be. I think that their philosophies are fairly apparent and it's the fault of voters if they refuse to see the differences and vote accordingly.

Having said that, I'm pretty scared for the future and for what the US is going to reap because of W and because of other flawed policies and practices. We can't be on top forever. Some of those chickens are going to come home to roost. I'm glad I don't have kids.

[TheWedge]

The thing that has me the most jaded, probably, is the Orwellian situation I see with the Democratic party turning into the Republican-lite party.

I feel like a rat looking into the farmhouse, not being able to distinguish the men from the pigs. (Not exactly the intended parody of Mr. Orwell, I know.)

Don't get me wrong, I've never been an actual Democrat, as I see party affiliation as being akin to fraternity membership.
However, I have voted Democrat in the past and will probably do so again because they're usually closer to my ideal than Republican candidates.

Sometimes I'm reminded by today's political climate of the situation we suffered through in the 80's when the word liberal was used as a derrogatory.

My point is, I'm not jaded because of Bush. I expected most of what we have gotten under his term as President. It shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone.

What surprises me (and upsets me) is the pandering by Joe Liberman, Hillary Clinton,and the DLC to the Right.

[D_Raay]

The thing that has me the most jaded, probably, is the Orwellian situation I see with the Democratic party turning into the Republican-lite party.

I feel like a rat looking into the farmhouse, not being able to distinguish the men from the pigs. (Not exactly the intended parody of Mr. Orwell, I know.)

Don't get me wrong, I've never been an actual Democrat, as I see party affiliation as being akin to fraternity membership.
However, I have voted Democrat in the past and will probably do so again because they're usually closer to my ideal than Republican candidates.

Sometimes I'm reminded by today's political climate of the situation we suffered through in the 80's when the word liberal was used as a derrogatory.

My point is, I'm not jaded because of Bush. I expected most of what we have gotten under his term as President. It shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone.

What surprises me (and upsets me) is the pandering by Joe Liberman, Hillary Clinton,and the DLC to the Right.

Exactly right and well said. Where is the support for ending the war from leading Democrats?

[D_Raay]

What? 1994 - Republicans take over the House. We've held the majority since then.
They didn't control the Senate until 2000 after Wellstone's plane mysteriously crashed.

[ericg]

Do you follow La Rouche's ideology?

[ericg]

Exactly right and well said. Where is the support for ending the war from leading Democrats?

They obviously don't have a clue as to how to go about doing anything after having succumbed to the absolute madness of corruption.

Who can take the power away from a plutocracy?
People resorting to nothing but gathering in the streets?

Kerry's all, "Sorry I guess I'll keep trying for the record", and Kennedy's just gettin' too old for shit. Boxer's good at shadow boxing her state.... Clinton's holding, I mean, sold out in thinking her hopes of being President one day is just over the republic's horizon... Senators are nothing more than soundbytes and they couldn't matter to Bush's oiligarchy one way or the other.
This is the Republic of America now. There's just been no room for a democracy. Nevermind that America is submerged in criminally incompetent treasonous fools.
I can't trust people here when it comes down to it.

[D_Raay]

Do you follow La Rouche's ideology?
Yes I do, I can't speak for anyone else. He was the MOSt popular guy at the protest Saturday.

[D_Raay]

They obviously don't have a clue as to how to go about doing anything after having succumbed to the absolute madness of corruption.

Who can take the power away from a plutocracy?
People resorting to nothing but gathering in the streets?

Kerry's all, "Sorry I guess I'll keep trying for the record", and Kennedy's just gettin' too old for shit. Boxer's good at shadow boxing her state.... Clinton's holding, I mean, sold out in thinking her hopes of being President one day is just over the republic's horizon... Senators are nothing more than soundbytes and they couldn't matter to Bush's oiligarchy one way or the other.
This is the Republic of America now. There's just been no room for a democracy. Nevermind that America is submerged in criminally incompetent treasonous fools.
I can't trust people here when it comes down to it.
You have to trust somebody, if for nothing else than to learn from your mstakes.

[Ali]

You actually understand what this guy's saying?

[ericg]

Yes I do, I can't speak for anyone else. He was the MOSt popular guy at the protest Saturday.

That's unsettling, to say the least.
He says some very 'intelligent' shit, to be sure, but after getting a better glimpse, he's definitely got a few screws loose. I knew some La Rouche kids in Seattle. They're um, 'enthusiastic'... and perhaps more keen on being 'aware' than the average joe but, well, watch out. There's definitely something about him that doesn't sit well with me.

You have to trust somebody, if for nothing else than to learn from your mstakes.

What are you tryin' to say?

[D_Raay]

That's unsettling, to say the least.
He says some very 'intelligent' shit, to be sure, but after getting a better glimpse, he's definitely got a few screws loose. I knew some La Rouche kids in Seattle. They're um, 'enthusiastic'... and perhaps more keen on being 'aware' than the average joe but, well, watch out. There's definitely something about him that doesn't sit well with me.



What are you tryin' to say?
Yeah I am not so sure how tight his "screws" are either, but there was a helluva lot of LaRouche literature going around on Saturday.

I mean trust can be earned from someone out there in a position to actually do something, but if no attempt is made you may never know.
Hell, just trust in the Boys I guess, unfortunately that won't get you too far politically.

[sam i am]

You actually understand what this guy's saying?

Thank you, ali! I have him on ignore because he is completely unintelligible and incoherent to me.

[Ace42X]

Thank you, ali! I have him on ignore because he is completely unintelligible and incoherent to me.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/garble.htm
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/bong.htm

[D_Raay]

Thank you, ali! I have him on ignore because he is completely unintelligible and incoherent to me.
He actually makes alot of sense if you understand generally where he is coming from.

[Ali]

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/garble.htm
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/bong.htmWhich one are you?

I'm a horrible hybrid of many!!!