vicious dogs...

[CrankItUp!]

Are owned by vicious people - plain and simple. I'm so sick of seeing on the news, even earlier tonight that a local little girl got mauled to death by a fucking pitbull dog. Those dogs, including rottweilers and dobermans should be exterminated altogether to permanently rid the entire breeds existence. I'm not into animal cruelty, but if a rabid dog hurt or killed a love one or friend of mine, it would automatically = dead fucking dog ! Even if the dog is killed afterwards, it still DOESN'T undo the damage that the dog commited. I may be stepping on toes here by posting my honest thoughts for any vicious dog owners here to read. But those fuckers are like rattlesnakes and can/will turn on even you. (lb)

[hardnox71]

I agree. I would never trust my daughter around any of those types of dogs. When she was born we had a Lab. Great dog with kids. So are West Highland White Terriers. I used to have one in highschool.

[ScarySquirrel]

I think eliminating a breed of dog is kind of drastic. Like you said, it's all about the people that own the animal and how it was raised, dude. Same thing with people when you break it down. People that were raised by nasty-ass people or had nasty-ass experiences tend to turn out to be nasty-ass people themselves.

I had a dog that some people considered vicious, although he never actually bit anyone. He was just very protective of our house and the property that went along with it. You invade his space and something might have happened. But, he actually gave warnings, like growling and stuff like that, so people never got too close. With little kids I'll admit it's different, but there's a point where you gotta draw the line... what kind of idiot is going to walk straight up to a growling dog that obviously isn't playing around? What kind of parent would let their child roam freely in a neighborhood they were unfamiliar with or where they knew there was a dog like that?

Too bad the world isn't all black and white, man. It'd make things a lot easier, y'know?

[CrankItUp!]

I was referring to vicious dog owners who let them roam the neighborhood freely into other people's yards - instead of keeping them chained or fenced in.

[zorra_chiflada]

the owners should definitely have a harsher punishment.

maybe certain dogs (like pitbulls) that are bred particularly to be fighters should be phased out - all dogs of those breed should be neutered or something.

[CrankItUp!]

the owners should definitely have a harsher punishment.

maybe certain dogs (like pitbulls) that are bred particularly to be fighters should be phased out - all dogs of those breed should be neutered or something.
Absolutely correct ! (y)

[ScarySquirrel]

Nah, I disagree.

Although pitbulls were initially bred just for fighting, they can be very loving and adorable dogs. Again, it's all linking back to what the owner does with it.

[tracky]

Couldn't agree more. Honestly don't know why people want to keep these types of dogs. I can't stand the whole "oh but my dog would never do that" argument either. How do you know!?

[miss_bhaven]

Are owned by vicious people - plain and simple. I'm so sick of seeing on the news, even earlier tonight that a local little girl got mauled to death by a fucking pitbull dog. Those dogs, including rottweilers and dobermans should be exterminated altogether to permanently rid the entire breeds existence. I'm not into animal cruelty, but if a rabid dog hurt or killed a love one or friend of mine, it would automatically = dead fucking dog ! Even if the dog is killed afterwards, it still DOESN'T undo the damage that the dog commited. I may be stepping on toes here by posting my honest thoughts for any vicious dog owners here to read. But those fuckers are like rattlesnakes and can/will turn on even you. (lb)

Agreed. Those type of dogs need to be trained.

[miss_bhaven]

Couldn't agree more. Honestly don't know why people want to keep these types of dogs. I can't stand the whole "oh but my dog would never do that" argument either. How do you know!?

Yeah, true. They wouldn't know - one day the dog could be all caring and loving - the next, it's mauling a poor lil' kid!

[zorra_chiflada]

it's true that the owner has a huge impact on how a dog "grows up" and how it acts around humans.
but in some cases, the dog is just "being a dog" and doing what is instinctual. good training can prevent the dog from acting in some ways, but it can't get rid of the instincts.

[miss_bhaven]

it's true that the owner has a huge impact on how a dog "grows up" and how it acts around humans.
but in some cases, the dog is just "being a dog" and doing what is instinctual. good training can prevent the dog from acting in some ways, but it can't get rid of the instincts.


Hmmm yeah...true :p

[Tzar]

are german shepards considered a vicious dog? i'd love to get one when i have my own joint. awesome dogs.

[laurie_hammy]

I walk past vicious dogs at gates and they like fully show there teeth. I just kick the gate, cause sometimes they give me a huge fright like walking all quietly then all of a sudden WOOF WOOF WOOF :mad: I spat on one once I was that pissed off. It just kept barking with a huge white spit next to its nose.

[BangkokB]

I want a vicious robotic dog that barks like so "Park Park Park (Pause) Growl"

[Dr Deaf]

i have a reoccuring dream where i'm completely overwhelmed by a pack of dogs. one clenches on to my arm, another on my hip, they just keep attacking and growing in numbers. i try to fight them off and avoid being taken to the ground, but they just keep attacking. i'm not sure what it represents.

my friend has a sweet as pie pitter. it's all about the owner like was mentioned. i think if your dog kills someone you should stand trial for manslaughter or murder even. that might encourage people to keep better control of their animals. i'm curious if someone's ever stood trial for the actions of their animal...

in ontario pitbulls are being phased out, but i doubt the breed will ever become extinct there.

[Nuzzolese]

These dogs are popular. Why do people want them? Do they want them as guard dogs or do they think they're cuter, or do they admire a tough dog, or is it something about loving the unlovable?

[Freebasser]

are german shepards considered a vicious dog? i'd love to get one when i have my own joint. awesome dogs.

Not at all - Only when trained by nightclub owners. My family had an Alsatian when I was a baby and it used to let me sit on it's back and shit :cool:

Labradors/retrievers/border collies all the way.

EDIT - I don't mean that my parents let me actually shit on the dog :/

[kll]

it's true that the owner has a huge impact on how a dog "grows up" and how it acts around humans.
but in some cases, the dog is just "being a dog" and doing what is instinctual. good training can prevent the dog from acting in some ways, but it can't get rid of the instincts.

good point. i have typed this story before, but my mom's old boss had a pit bull named "Baby". she was raised from a puppy by these people who were an older, very wealthy couple. there was no "fight training" involved. she was raised in a very nice environment and everyone loved her. one day, a poodle on a leash was being walked in front of Baby's house and Baby ran out and killed the small dog. no one had ever seen her act viciously before, but she killed it. the distraught wealthy owner called a dog psychic to find out what could've caused Baby to act in such a way. the dog psychic informed her that it was because Baby wanted to be called Bubba instead. whatever. point is, she never displayed vicious characteristics, yet still did it.

[King PSYZ]

MOST OF YOU IN THIS THREAD ARE STUPID CUNTS. PRE-JUDGING A DOG BY IT'S BREED IS NO DIFFERENT THAN JUDGING A PERSON BY THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN OR HOW THEY DRESS. IGNORANT FUCKING TWATS.

I CAN TELL THE THREAD STARTER THIS, IF YOU CAME NEAR MY FUCKING DOG TO EXACT YOUR IDEA OF ERRADICATING SO CALLED "VICIOUS DOGS" THAT WOULD BE THE END OF YOUR LIFE.

SOME PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS, GRANTED. BUT THAT DOESN'T GIVE ANYONE LICENSE TO ERRADICATE A SPECIES. I HAVE A ROTTWEILER, NOT BECAUSE IT'S "COOL" OR BECAUSE HE'S "VICIOUS", BUT BECAUSE HE WAS LEFT TO DIE IN THE DESERT. HE'S ALSO THE SWEETEST DOG IN THE WORLD AND NO NEED TO WALK AROUND HIM ON THE STREET OR FEAR FOR A CHILD'S SAFTEY.

IN FACT SO CALLED "FRIENDLY" DOGS, LIKE LABS AND GOLDENS HAVE PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN MY EXPERIENCE TO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BE JUST AS, IF NOT MORE VICIOUS. IN FACT I WAS WALKING MY ROTTWEILER WHEN A LOOSE GOLDEN CAME AND WITHOUT WARNING LOCKED IT'S JAW AROUND MY DOGS NECK. IF HE WAS A SO CALLED VICIOUS DOG, DRIVEN BY INSTINCT WITH NO REGARD TO HOW HE WAS RAISED YOU'D ASSUME HE'D FIGHT BACK AND KILL THE GOLDEN. INSTEAD HE SAT DOWN AND WAITED FOR ME OR SOMEONE ELSE TO REMOVE THE DOG FROM HIS NECK.

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[cookiepuss]

guess what. owning a dog is a privelige not a right.

I've been a dog lover since the day I was born and I have been reading books on dogs behavior and breeding since I learned to read. it's not the breeds as much as it is irresponsible dog owners, who don't understand the breed they own.

In the early 1900s the pit bull or stafordshire terrier was the most popular family dog in U.S.A. I would be interested in see the statistics on how many people were mauled by pits in during that time. I wonder if it would be different. but my point is it was considered a family dog, and that reputation has definently changed due to some very poor breeding choices, and some very poor pet owners.

I think talk of outlawing breeds is drastic, unrealistic and unfair. we need to take responsibility for what we've done to these animals. Because this is OUR fault that they act the way they do. A dog does not have logic and acts on the intincts we have bred them to have.

I think a better solution would be to require special permits to own certain breeds. To obtain the permit, special classes on the breed should be required as well as an obediance training course with the animal to insure that people are properly socializing the animal. the animal should then go up for evaluation where certain requirements are determined, such as the need to leash and or muzzle the pet when in public. If they made it more dificult to own those breeds then a much more responsible pet owner would emerge.

[King PSYZ]

What they should do is require licensing for ALL breeds, not those someone deems dangerous.

[cookiepuss]

well licencing is required for all dogs in city limits, though most people don't do it. and licencing doesn't do anything but give a dog a traceable number.

but they could require permits and that all dogs be put through a behavior test to get the permits. Behaivor tests happen everyday at you local shelters and humane society, because that is how they determine if a dog is safe to release to the public for adoption.

though I will say, any dog can attack another dog or human without warning. (However if the dog has had a behaivor evaluation they can determine if the dog is suseptiable to turning on other animals or people ) that is the reason we have leash laws. I have a 5 pound poodle and sometimes when I walk him I carry pepper spray becasue I never know whats gonna happen when we run into another dog.

[Mot]

MOST OF YOU IN THIS THREAD ARE STUPID CUNTS. PRE-JUDGING A DOG BY IT'S BREED IS NO DIFFERENT THAN JUDGING A PERSON BY THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN OR HOW THEY DRESS. IGNORANT FUCKING TWATS.


I have never agreed more with a statement on this board than right now.

[Nuzzolese]

We need to take responsibility for what we've done to these animals. Because this is OUR fault that they act the way they do. A dog does not have logic and acts on the intincts we have bred them to have.[/B]

So it's a breed that is aggressive, it's not just an individual dog who was abused or brought up to be aggressive. So you could say that certain breeds do have more aggressive tendencies, and to say that isn't unfairly judging them, and it isn't saying all owners are totally to blame for a breed's natural instincts and tendencies. It's an aggressive breed we have created through interbreeding to bring out more aggressive instincts in an animal. That's fair to say.

To compare judging dogs by breed, to judging people by skin color, is just idiotic. It is not the same thing. Dog breeds are different in characteristics and tendencies. Psyzmac I don't think you know what you're talking about. I know you just like to go on rants whenever you take personal issue with something but honestly, one story about your dog is supposed to refute the argument or suggestion that certain breeds are typically possessed of certain characteristics like levels of hyperactivity and territorial behavior?

Arguments like these, everyone has their own stories they use as if that proves anything. "Yeah well one time my rottweiler didn't fight back"....or "nuh uh I knew dogs who were vicious no matter what" Anecdotes. Meaningless.

[mickill]

I agree. I would never trust my daughter around any of those types of dogs. When she was born we had a Lab. Great dog with kids. So are West Highland White Terriers. I used to have one in highschool.

I have a Westie and that muhfukka's craaaaaazy. He's not vicious or anything, but I don't trust him enought to leave my daughter around him unattended. But then, I don't trust her grandparents, aunts and uncles enought to leave her with them unattended either.

[voltanapricot]

My Grandad has a cross Rottweiler/Alsatian, imagine that. I'm terrified of the bitch.

[redhead]

any dog can turn on you...no matter what the breed or upbringing...

my brother had a husky for years...it was his constant companion, and was a very sweet and gentle dog.
His friends were over and their little girl was playing with the dog like she had many times before. This girl knew the dog and the dog knew her...
But the dog turned on her and bit her badly, requiring her to be transferred to another province for reconstructive surgery.
It could have been something as simple as the dog had a sore spot or something and the little girl touched it...or another reason we were given was that in a wolf pack the adult dog will bite the muzzle of the pups when the pups are getting to boisterous and annoying...who knows?
The husky had to be put down.
But you never hear of husky's on these dangerous dogs list...
these lists and bans are just stupid and pointless. I agree that there should be laws in place, but they should be for all dogs, like mentioned above.

[cookiepuss]

[QUOTE=Nuzzolese]So it's a breed that is aggressive, it's not just an individual dog who was abused or brought up to be aggressive. So you could say that certain breeds do have more aggressive tendencies, and to say that isn't unfairly judging them, and it isn't saying all owners are totally to blame for a breed's natural instincts and tendencies. It's an aggressive breed we have created through interbreeding to bring out more aggressive instincts in an animal. That's fair to say. [QUOTE]

i'd say it's a double edged sword. there's a degree to which a dog's breed plays a factor in it's agressiveness, but that's also not to say thier thier socialization didn't play a role. Unfortunatley it's not black and white. Owner's aren't totally to blame, but if they have an animal prone to certain agressive tendencies whether through breed or socialization (regardless of whether the dog has acted on those tendencies or not) they have a responsibility to keep that animal out of situations that put it in a position to attack. I.e. the need to make sure the animal is contained and doesn't run free even on accident. they should not leave the animal unattended with children ---actually no one should leave any kind of dog unattended with a child. all it takes is one pull of tha tail and even my mild mannered poodle is gonna turn around and bite the the kid.

basically it goes back to my original statement that dog ownership (any kind of dog) should be a privledge and not a right. The sooner people start seeing it that way the better.

[Nuzzolese]

And Hubert used to be able to make the sound, he couldn't talk, but he'd go "rrrawr rrawr" and that sounded like "Macadamia nut".

[Nuzzolese]

Have you ever seen a sweeter face? A nicer to-know-ya kind of face? (http://www.urban.ne.jp/home/ubik/cinema/cujo.jpg)

Is it ironic that this thread is making me wish I had a dog? Just call me Alanis.

[hardnox71]

I have a Westie and that muhfukka's craaaaaazy. He's not vicious or anything, but I don't trust him enought to leave my daughter around him unattended. But then, I don't trust her grandparents, aunts and uncles enought to leave her with them unattended either.
WESTIES ARE THE SHIT, RIGHT? I miss my Mac. That dog was balls, man. From grade school all the way through highschool he was my little player.

Westies are EXCELLENT with kids. Obviously wait until Ava gets a little bigger before you start leaving them alone but I guarantee those two are gonna be best friends. Count on it.

[CrankItUp!]

MOST OF YOU IN THIS THREAD ARE STUPID CUNTS. PRE-JUDGING A DOG BY IT'S BREED IS NO DIFFERENT THAN JUDGING A PERSON BY THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN OR HOW THEY DRESS. IGNORANT FUCKING TWATS.

I CAN TELL THE THREAD STARTER THIS, IF YOU CAME NEAR MY FUCKING DOG TO EXACT YOUR IDEA OF ERRADICATING SO CALLED "VICIOUS DOGS" THAT WOULD BE THE END OF YOUR LIFE.

SOME PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS, GRANTED. BUT THAT DOESN'T GIVE ANYONE LICENSE TO ERRADICATE A SPECIES. I HAVE A ROTTWEILER, NOT BECAUSE IT'S "COOL" OR BECAUSE HE'S "VICIOUS", BUT BECAUSE HE WAS LEFT TO DIE IN THE DESERT. HE'S ALSO THE SWEETEST DOG IN THE WORLD AND NO NEED TO WALK AROUND HIM ON THE STREET OR FEAR FOR A CHILD'S SAFTEY.

IN FACT SO CALLED "FRIENDLY" DOGS, LIKE LABS AND GOLDENS HAVE PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN MY EXPERIENCE TO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BE JUST AS, IF NOT MORE VICIOUS. IN FACT I WAS WALKING MY ROTTWEILER WHEN A LOOSE GOLDEN CAME AND WITHOUT WARNING LOCKED IT'S JAW AROUND MY DOGS NECK. IF HE WAS A SO CALLED VICIOUS DOG, DRIVEN BY INSTINCT WITH NO REGARD TO HOW HE WAS RAISED YOU'D ASSUME HE'D FIGHT BACK AND KILL THE GOLDEN. INSTEAD HE SAT DOWN AND WAITED FOR ME OR SOMEONE ELSE TO REMOVE THE DOG FROM HIS NECK.

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If your dog got loose onto my property and did malicious harm to ANYONE - you would NEVER see that dog again. Why ? Because the local authorities along with a dog catcher would both be called out to tranquilize the dog so to be taken off and then put down for good. End of dog and onto a lawsuit on you, if you are the proven owner of the dog.

[CrankItUp!]

To define my statement : Vicious dogs are owned by vicious people. What I intended to be understood by "vicious people" are the non-law abiding individuals such as murderers , thieves , drug dealers , etc. who VERY OFTEN own VICIOUS DOGS. As posted by others - some dogs don't have to be trained to be harmful and vicious because they are born with a natural instinct to harm and kill. And I have zero tolerance for them or the owners if something devastatingly bad occurs and the victims are in the proven innocent right of the law.Dispute it all you wan't - but be reminded that you WILL do so in court. And that fucking dumbass remark about discriminating against certain dogs is comparible to being racist against certain races of people is the most inane comment I've ever read on here !

[cookiepuss]

I've recently changed my mind. I think we should outlaw all dogs except for toy poodles. yeah. if ya'll had a toy poodle like me we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

[HotAndWet]

I don't like people buying pit bulls or rottweilers or any other "popular" breed and don't properly take care of it. I know someone who knew someone who had a pitbull and beat it as a puppy and kept in in a closet all the time. That's fucking cruel and disgusting, I would've reported that shit if I were her. It pisses me off that people are so careless.