5 Mics in The Source

[mickill]

When's the last time this has even mattered? Years ago, when The Source still had some credibility, they still hardly ever got it right. So let me get this straight, Biggie's Ready To Die was only worth 4-1/2 mics originally (then got bumped to 5 years later), but Lil Kim's newest can get 5 right out the gate? Okay then.

[Lex Diamonds]

Outsiders, baby, and we suing the courts,
Cuz we dope as fuck and only get a 2 in The Source.

[cj hood]

the Source lost it's credibility when it put Vanilla Ice on the cover........sorry guido!

[g-mile7]

When's the last time this has even mattered? Years ago, when The Source still had some credibility, they still hardly ever got it right. So let me get this straight, Biggie's Ready To Die was only worth 4-1/2 mics originally (then got bumped to 5 years later), but Lil Kim's newest can get 5 right out the gate? Okay then.


the source is shit but untill the majority of hip-hop/BET tells them this they will keep doin there thing

[adam_f]

I gotta hit the source, i need my other half a mic
Because that southerplayalisticadillacmuzik was a classic, right

Yeah, the Source hasn't had any credibilty in a long time.

[roosta]

i got the 150th issue where they retro-actively gave aload of now classic albums the 5-star rating. hahahah. fucking tools

lik kim? forget about it, what a pack of homos

[DroppinScience]

This kind of sounds like Rolling Stone initially giving "Nevermind" just 3 stars out of 5. When Kurt Cobain killed himself, they couldn't wait to retroactively say how masterful he was, etc. etc.

If you're gonna change your tune, at least be upfront about it. Don't be revisionist. (n)

[Rip Round'n Roc]

you guys are ignorant

[Kid Presentable]

'Get half a page in The Source maybe/ if that. /There's a whole town of people actin Shady.'

I read the Source up until the Eminem phenomena took off. Then it became the Roc-a-fella Newsletter, and as much as I like Jay, I don't give a fuck about anything beyond his crew's lyrics.

[Kid Presentable]

you guys are ignorant

It's a magazine, it's not Tolkien.

[mickill]

The last time I agreed with a 5 mic rating was when Illmatic dropped, and maaaaybe The Blueprint. But Stillmatic getting 5? Hell no. I didn't think Aquemini deserved 5 mics either, but I do think that ATLiens deserved it. Scarface's The Fix got 5, and I think it shoulda got around 4. The last major blown opportunity was probably Supreme Clientele, though, which they gave a 4-1/2 rating to. I thought it was an instant classic before I even finished listening to it, personally.

[mickill]

This kind of sounds like Rolling Stone initially giving "Nevermind" just 3 stars out of 5. When Kurt Cobain killed himself, they couldn't wait to retroactively say how masterful he was, etc. etc.

If you're gonna change your tune, at least be upfront about it. Don't be revisionist. (n)

Yeah, don't get me started on Rolling Stone. At the end of that year they declared Nevermind album of the year. Not to mention that they used to pan all of Zeppelin's albums, and then years later they ammended those ratings and gave practically all of their albums 5 stars.

[DroppinScience]

Yeah, don't get me started on Rolling Stone. At the end of that year they declared Nevermind album of the year. Not to mention that they used to pan all of Zeppelin's albums, and then years later they ammended those ratings and gave practically all of their albums 5 stars.

Do magazines like these ever offer any explanations for these about-faces? It's one thing if they genuinely change their mind about things (hell, there's been artists/albums I initially wasn't fond of, but it later grew one me), but do they ever go: "Yeah, I was a total idiot for hating on 'Dark Side of the Moon.' You were right, I was dead wrong." or do they just go: "Yeah, yeah. We totally dug that album and we never thought otherwise. Nope, nope. Not us."

I guess it's easier to pretend they never said anything bad, right? :rolleyes:

[mickill]

They tend to admit that their predecessors may have had a slight lapse in judgement at the time. But still, what does it matter once you've already either a) affected an artist's credibility/sales or b)proven that your magazine doesn't know shit?

I got the same issue of The Source roosta's talking about and I remember thinking that it was the stupidest thing they'd ever published (up to that point).

[Documad]

Yeah, don't get me started on Rolling Stone. At the end of that year they declared Nevermind album of the year. Not to mention that they used to pan all of Zeppelin's albums, and then years later they ammended those ratings and gave practically all of their albums 5 stars.
Thank you. I've said this a dozen times.

Notice that almost all of the "reviews" of classic albums posted on their website were written in the last 10 years? Why not at least post the original review too?

Rolling Stone missed the boat on every trend in music since it began publishing.

[synch]

I find myself getting a bit spanishbombish about hip hop. I haven't listened to anything that was produced after 1995 apart from the odd new album from artists from that time.

I'm a bit less of a cunt about it all though.

[mickill]

No. Thank you, because that's another thing I get annoyed at. I couldn't agree more with your point, Doc.

But this is how ugly it can get when they don't alter their reviews over time:

Licensed to Ill - ***1/2
Paul's Boutique - ****
Check Your Head - ***1/2
Ill Communication - ****
Hello Nasty - ****
To The 5 Boroughs - ***** (!!!!????)

Actually, I don't even know what's worse. But yes, a little journalistic integrity wouldn't hurt. Link (http://www.rollingstone.com/artist/albums/main/_/id/4794/beastieboys?pageid=rs.ArtistDiscography&pageregion=triple1)

[Mcmac]

I got the same issue of The Source roosta's talking about and I remember thinking that it was the stupidest thing they'd ever published (up to that point).

ive got it too

havn't got a source since that issue...and was about to pick up the latest one today but it had fucking little john on the cover

[Documad]

I think that RS is only giving their revisionist (and glowing) reviews, rather than the longer and more negative original reviews because RS's website is also a store. Who is going to download a two star album?

btw, my big moment of realization that magazine reviews were crap happened with The Who's It's Hard. RS's website says the album was released in 1997, but they're still running the original five star review that caused me to buy the stupid thing in the early 80s. I brought it home, listened a couple of times, and was dumbfounded. Even teenage me knew complete crap when I heard it. Do "longtime fans [really] approach reverie when they hear Athena"? Do any of you even know the song?

[Tzar]

Licensed to Ill - ***1/2
Paul's Boutique - ****
Check Your Head - ***1/2
Ill Communication - ****
Hello Nasty - ****
To The 5 Boroughs - ***** (!!!!????)
:rolleyes:

[EN[i]GMA]

Licensed to Ill - ***1/2
Paul's Boutique - ****
Check Your Head - ***1/2
Ill Communication - ****
Hello Nasty - ****
To The 5 Boroughs - ***** (!!!!????)


Morons.

[EN[i]GMA]

'Some Old Bullshit' got the same score as Check Your Head?

What. The. Fuck.

[mickill]

No, no. You're mistaken, I'm afraid. Some Old Bullshit got **** and Check Your Head got ***1/2.

[EN[i]GMA]

No, no. You're mistaken, I'm afraid. Some Old Bullshit got **** and Check Your Head got ***1/2.

Ah yes, I am mistaken.

The Beasties second best album DID get a lower score than a collection of their mostly mediocre hardcore songs.

[Kid Presentable]

GMA']Ah yes, I am mistaken.

The Beasties second best album DID get a lower score than a collection of their mostly mediocre hardcore songs.

What's their best?

[mickill]

It's The In Sound From Way Out! (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:8x5tk6sx9krf), obviously.

[Tzar]

It's The In Sound From Way Out! (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=10:8x5tk6sx9krf), obviously.

fucking hell... the "ticked" songs; only 4 were picked!?

i'd tick all of them except for "to all the girls", "ask for janice" and maybe "what goes around".

[Kid Presentable]

PB is fantastic, if somewhat a victim of this posthumous hype.

It's all weaving, kaleidoscopes, layers and quilts.

Check your Head in every way has to be the Five Star album. :confused:

But anyway, I hope all of the 'hip' bands get a severe pwning from my Children's generation, and Hip-hop is declared 'the language of the soul' by 2026.

[EN[i]GMA]

What's their best?

Paul's.

[EN[i]GMA]

And since this appears to be the thread for anti-Source hip-hop lyrics:

If you're anything like me you probably don't read the Source
anymore and miss crews like the JVC Force
don't stop, show no shame, dance the disco
and you know the baddest DJs come from San Franciso

[EN[i]GMA]

fucking hell... the "ticked" songs; only 4 were picked!?

i'd tick all of them except for "to all the girls", "ask for janice" and maybe "what goes around".

I'd tick 'To All the Girls' (Good groove) and un-tick "5 Piece Chicken Dinner".

[DroppinScience]

Licensed to Ill - ***1/2
Paul's Boutique - ****
Check Your Head - ***1/2
Ill Communication - ****
Hello Nasty - ****
To The 5 Boroughs - ***** (!!!!????)

I personally would've given ALL their albums 5 stars, but then again, I'm just a flippant fanboy. ;)

[So Ruff]

Last issue of The Source I ever bought was the one with the ODB tribute. Let's see:

They reviewed the following:

Lil Jon - Crunk Juice ****
Fabolous - Real Talk ***1/2
Snoop Dogg - R&G ***1/2
Trick Daddy - Thug Matrimony ****

Now, I'm not knocking any of those albums. But they couldn't all be that good. This probably isn't the best possible example of what I'm getting at, but they're most likely just too generous with their mics these days. TT5B getting five mics is ridiculous (admit it.) Lil Kim getting 5 mics with her newest is also probably ridiculous (I haven't heard the CD, but it's still Lil Kim.) Correct me if I'm wrong because I don't read The Source at all anymore, but do they give albums poor ratings at all?

[Kid Presentable]

Last issue of The Source I ever bought was the one with the ODB tribute. Let's see:

They reviewed the following:

Lil Jon - Crunk Juice ****
Fabolous - Real Talk ***1/2
Snoop Dogg - R&G ***1/2
Trick Daddy - Thug Matrimony ****

Now, I'm not knocking any of those albums. But they couldn't all be that good. This probably isn't the best possible example of what I'm getting at, but they're most likely just too generous with their mics these days. TT5B getting five mics is ridiculous (admit it.) Lil Kim getting 5 mics with her newest is also probably ridiculous (I haven't heard the CD, but it's still Lil Kim.) Correct me if I'm wrong because I don't read The Source at all anymore, but do they give albums poor ratings at all?


I think it was Rolling Stone that gave TT5B five stars, although I'd be interested to see what the Source thought.

[Tzar]

GMA']I'd tick 'To All the Girls' (Good groove) and un-tick "5 Piece Chicken Dinner".
oh werd. i forgot about that random shit.

[steve-onpoint]

Flav says, "Don't Believe The Hype!"

[Lex Diamonds]

Flavour with no seasonin', this is a sneak preview
I diss your magazine and still won't get a weak review.