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sam i am
09-29-2005, 03:48 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050929/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_oil_diplomacy

Looks like they're trying to supplant the US in South America.

How long before he gets assasinated? :rolleyes:

Echewta
09-29-2005, 05:03 PM
Good heavens. A country moving on its own.

Funkaloyd
09-29-2005, 06:39 PM
Chavez, a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro, said...Second paragraph. That was quick :rolleyes:.

sam i am
09-29-2005, 08:42 PM
Second paragraph. That was quick :rolleyes:.

True story. I don't know how Castro keeps surviving all those assassination attempts against him :rolleyes: .

I guess the US, as bad and imperialistic as many think it is, happens to be horrible at taking out world leaders that are diametrically opposed to it.

Or, IS it.....bwwwwhhahahahahahahah..... :D :eek:

QueenAdrock
09-29-2005, 09:54 PM
Other countries did a pretty shit job of taking out Bush too. I've heard at least twice now on the news about assassination attempts gone wrong when Bush has been visiting other countries.

I don't dare google "assassination attempt on Bush" though, because that would make me a terrorist according to the Patriot Act. :(

Schmeltz
09-29-2005, 11:17 PM
Looks like they're trying to supplant the US in South America.


Perhaps. Or maybe - just maybe - they're trying to address people's energy concerns.


I guess the US, as bad and imperialistic as many think it is, happens to be horrible at taking out world leaders that are diametrically opposed to it.


Tell that to Salvador Allende.

DroppinScience
09-30-2005, 12:19 AM
Tell that to Salvador Allende.

Oh! Mama, Mama look there!
Your children are playing in that street again
Don't you know what happened down there?
A youth of fourteen got shot down there
The Kokane guns of Jamdown Town
The killing clowns, the blood money men
Are shooting those Washington bullets again

As every cell in Chile will tell
The cries of the tortured men
Remember Allende, and the days before,
Before the army came
Please remember Victor Jara,
In the Santiago Stadium,
Es verdad - those Washington Bullets again

And in the Bay of Pigs in 1961,
Havana fought the playboy in the Cuban sun,
For Castro is a colour,
Is a redder than red,
Those Washington bullets want Castro dead
For Castro is the colour...
...That will earn you a spray of lead

Sandinista!

For the very first time ever,
When they had a revolution in Nicaragua,
There was no interference from America
Human rights in America

Well the people fought the leader,
And up he flew...
With no Washington bullets what else could he do?
Sandinista!

And if you can find a Afghan rebel
That the Moscow bullets missed
Ask him what he thinks of voting Communist...
...Ask the Dalai Lama in the hills of Tibet,
How many monks did the Chinese get?
In a war-torn swamp stop any mercenary,
And check the British bullets in his armoury
Que?
Sandinista!

synch
09-30-2005, 12:25 AM
Other countries did a pretty shit job of taking out Bush too. I've heard at least twice now on the news about assassination attempts gone wrong when Bush has been visiting other countries.I picture mr Magoo type scenarios.

"Hey look, a quarter!"

*sniper shoots*

*secret service man standing behind him drops dead*

Ali
09-30-2005, 07:43 AM
:p

The Pentagon-sponsored coup already failed. I wonder what else they have planned?

I love it. Chavez is, like, a Capitalist's WORST nightmare. Sitting on a huge pile of money and just giving it away!

He must be stopped!!! What will happen to the oil price is this carries on?!?! What will happen to the currency in which all oil is bought and sold?!?!

OK, globally, it won't make much of a difference, but in South America it will. Gringo's power all gone!

sam i am
09-30-2005, 09:32 AM
:p

The Pentagon-sponsored coup already failed. I wonder what else they have planned?

I love it. Chavez is, like, a Capitalist's WORST nightmare. Sitting on a huge pile of money and just giving it away!

He must be stopped!!! What will happen to the oil price is this carries on?!?! What will happen to the currency in which all oil is bought and sold?!?!

OK, globally, it won't make much of a difference, but in South America it will. Gringo's power all gone!

The thing I like :eek: about Chavez is that he is INCREASING his exports to the US. Despite the US's denunciations and attempts to topple him, he's magnanimous enough to ship more oil our way.

Hmmmm.....wonder if he's just a shill (or a shell) - bombast on the outside but all cute and sweet and cuddly on the inside....you know, like Castro or Arafat. Play to the domestic crowd with your hate America, down with the gringo rhetoric, but on the world stage act like a good little statesman and try to get your way?

How very Machiavellian ;) :p

EN[i]GMA
09-30-2005, 09:42 AM
:p

The Pentagon-sponsored coup already failed. I wonder what else they have planned?

I love it. Chavez is, like, a Capitalist's WORST nightmare. Sitting on a huge pile of money and just giving it away!

He must be stopped!!! What will happen to the oil price is this carries on?!?! What will happen to the currency in which all oil is bought and sold?!?!

OK, globally, it won't make much of a difference, but in South America it will. Gringo's power all gone!

Good for him.

If it works out, great, if it fails (As I suspect), oh well.

But didn't get so blinded by his generisity that you forget that he is removing governmental checks and balances and stepping towards de facto dictatorship.

sam i am
09-30-2005, 10:04 AM
I picture mr Magoo type scenarios.

"Hey look, a quarter!"

*sniper shoots*

*secret service man standing behind him drops dead*

Sounds more like an episode of The Simpsons - probably Smithers taking the bullet as Monty nimbly hops to safety.

sam i am
09-30-2005, 11:21 AM
This story just keeps getting juicier and meatier....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050930/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_us

Where are those 100,000 kalishnikov rifles going? What are they being used for?

sam i am
09-30-2005, 01:53 PM
Wow. Now the Japanese are getting testy too, this time with the UN :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050929/wl_asia_afp/unjapanbritain;_ylt=AoiFU3oq9cZI6U1Wu2TwvD7GK7IF;_ ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Schmeltz
09-30-2005, 02:05 PM
Where are those 100,000 kalishnikov rifles going? What are they being used for?


Even worse - why didn't he buy American-made?

He's obviously plotting something completely diabolical.

EN[i]GMA
09-30-2005, 02:15 PM
Even worse - why didn't he buy American-made?

He's obviously plotting something completely diabolical.

Like installing himself dictator.

sam i am
09-30-2005, 02:22 PM
Even worse - why didn't he buy American-made?

He's obviously plotting something completely diabolical.


True story. What ARE those Russkies up to anyways?

Maybe we shoulda nuked 'em.... :p ;)

DroppinScience
09-30-2005, 04:24 PM
Wow. Now the Japanese are getting testy too, this time with the UN :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050929/wl_asia_afp/unjapanbritain;_ylt=AoiFU3oq9cZI6U1Wu2TwvD7GK7IF;_ ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

It's all because China doesn't want Japan anywhere near a Security Council seat.

China's got some very dubious agendas, if you ask me.

Funkaloyd
09-30-2005, 10:48 PM
Chavez, an ally of Cuban President Fidel Castro, has accused...Jesus, there must be a memo going around on this. It's fucking irrelevant and biased, unless the AP wants to start introducing Bush as "an ally of Islam Karimov" or something.


GMA']he is removing governmental checks and balances...Such as?

DroppinScience
10-01-2005, 12:45 AM
Jesus, there must be a memo going around on this. It's fucking irrelevant and biased, unless the AP wants to start introducing Bush as "an ally of Islam Karimov" or something.

I may not know the whole story, but to be fair isn't Chavez a very close Castro ally? Hugo may be no dictator, but he and Castro seem to be buddy-buddy.

Funkaloyd
10-01-2005, 03:19 AM
Sure, but he could be considered an ally of 90% of Latin America. It's totally irrelevant, like starting a paragraph off with:

"President Bush, who smoked marijuana in his youth, said today that the Social Security system needs major reform..."

It's certainly true to say that Chavez is an ally of Castro, but "fair" as in objective? Hardly. This is just more of the same anti-communist (or rather, anti-anythingbutthewaythatamericadoesthings) bs that has been propagated through the mainstream media since Allende's time and before. And furthermore, it's fallacious (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html) bs.

Here (http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050929/481/bsb10409291940;_ylt=A9FJqYs1TD5DejcA_RS9IxIF;_ylu= X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA-)'s another example from the first link in this thread. Is the airport named "the Military Airport", or is the press just taking any opportunity available to associate Chavez with militarism?

D_Raay
10-01-2005, 04:05 AM
Sure, but he could be considered an ally of 90% of Latin America. It's totally irrelevant, like starting a paragraph off with:

"President Bush, who smoked marijuana in his youth, said today that the Social Security system needs major reform..."

It's certainly true to say that Chavez is an ally of Castro, but "fair" as in objective? Hardly. This is just more of the same anti-communist (or rather, anti-anythingbutthewaythatamericadoesthings) bs that has been propagated through the mainstream media since Allende's time and before. And furthermore, it's fallacious (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html) bs.

Here (http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050929/481/bsb10409291940;_ylt=A9FJqYs1TD5DejcA_RS9IxIF;_ylu= X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA-)'s another example from the first link in this thread. Is the airport named "the Military Airport", or is the press just taking any opportunity available to associate Chavez with militarism?

Chavez is a threat to our system, simple as that. He knows it; we know it. He is trying to make the American people aware of it, and our leaders aren't going to allow it.

sam i am
10-01-2005, 11:57 AM
Chavez is a threat to our system, simple as that. He knows it; we know it. He is trying to make the American people aware of it, and our leaders aren't going to allow it.

Agreed. Our leaders WILL allow it, however, as long as Chavez keeps selling us oil. Period.

Funkaloyd
10-01-2005, 07:11 PM
If they allow it, it'll be because their blatant support of the last failed coup and junta makes it nearly impossible to do anything else without a huge amount of opposition from within Venezuela, the United States, and the rest of the world.

sam i am
10-02-2005, 02:51 PM
It's all because China doesn't want Japan anywhere near a Security Council seat.

China's got some very dubious agendas, if you ask me.

I'd agree, in general principle, with this statement. Do you have any good sources for the Chinese fighting against Japan's interest in a Security Council seat from the recent past, DS? I'd like to be a bit more informed on the subject.

I knwo, historically, why China hates Japan, but what does it gain them in the New World Order (uh-oh.....shouldn't have muttered those words...) to be anti-Japanese?

I know what I think, but I'd be truly interested to hear your take on it.

sam i am
10-02-2005, 02:54 PM
If they allow it, it'll be because their blatant support of the last failed coup and junta makes it nearly impossible to do anything else without a huge amount of opposition from within Venezuela, the United States, and the rest of the world.

I'm not so sure that "the last failed coup" really registered on world public opinion / conciousness to the same degree you think it has. Although Chavez is making some noises, he's not really that big a player on the world scene.

Once Castro dies, Chavez is unlikely to have any lasting impact (ala Castro or Che) on South American history UNLESS he starts any kind of military exploits. Then, we're talking a whole new ball-game.

Ali
10-03-2005, 12:48 AM
GMA']Like installing himself dictator.How so?

Dictators normally come to power through military coup d' etat and need to keep the People in place using the Army.

Chavez was elected and was re-installed by the People after the Greed Heads tried to get rid of him.

Weird sort of dictator. :rolleyes: I think you've been watching too much TV, dude, the subliminal messages seem to be working.

What "governmental checks and balances" has he been removing, pray tell?

I'm not so sure that "the last failed coup" really registered on world public opinion / conciousness to the same degree you think it has. Although Chavez is making some noises, he's not really that big a player on the world scene. Really? (http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&q=coup%20d%20etat%20chavez&sa=N&tab=wn) Maybe you were insulated from it in the US, but here in the Real World, there was a LOT of coverage and Chavez still makes headlines each and every day, making the US look like a big bully with a bloody nose and a bone to pick.

If he's not such a big Player, then why does your government spend so much time and effort trying to eliminate/silence/discredit him?

Something to do with the Orinoco Tar Belt?

If anything happens to him, you can be sure that the finger of blame will point squarely at his oil-hungry neighbour to the North. The People of Venzuela will not stand for it, nor will the International Community.

Funkaloyd
10-03-2005, 01:47 AM
the subliminal messages seem to be working.
Only it's not so subliminal (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146472,00.html).

Ali
10-03-2005, 02:53 AM
Only it's not so subliminal (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146472,00.html).Chavez also is contributing to a growing rift between peasants and large landowners in Venezuela and pushing the idea that anyone can grow what they want on someone else's land.Woo Hoo!!!

I like this guy more and more!!!

sam i am
11-04-2005, 02:05 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/Business/Global_Economy/

More on Venezuela.

This Chavez guy could be for real.

The assasination clock countdown continues.....

STANKY808
11-04-2005, 02:19 PM
I'm off the Chavez bandwagon. After that photo of him with that big CHEATER "hand of god" Maradona, I can't stand him.

sam i am
11-04-2005, 02:26 PM
I'm off the Chavez bandwagon. After that photo of him with that big CHEATER "hand of god" Maradona, I can't stand him.

So.....all anyone you used to like has to do is pose for a photo with Maradona to get you off their bandwagon? Sign up Ace! :p :D

STANKY808
11-04-2005, 02:26 PM
Unlike yours, I thoguht my humour was obvious.

sam i am
11-04-2005, 02:29 PM
Unlike yours, I thoguht my humour was obvious.

Oh, don't worry, it was.

Sorry mine wasn't. ** Hangs head in shame ** :(

What's Hugo's next move?

STANKY808
11-04-2005, 02:39 PM
Don't know, but perhaps trying to reclaim the Falkland Islands for Argentina?

sam i am
11-04-2005, 02:53 PM
Don't know, but perhaps trying to reclaim the Falkland Islands for Argentina?

Now THAT would be interesting.

What about a Caribbean or South American Federation that excludes / boycotts all American & British goods.

Teach those imperialist capitalist mothers what for!

STANKY808
11-04-2005, 03:06 PM
All in good time.

sam i am
11-06-2005, 06:11 PM
See the latest :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051106/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

Bush fires back at Chavez!

Put on the boxing gloves......

Ali
11-07-2005, 02:58 AM
One, he said, pursues representative government, integration into the world community and freedom's transformative power for individuals.

"The other seeks to roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for the people," he said. "We must make tough decisions today to ensure a better tomorrow."LOL. He just described his own government!

He can say what he likes. Chavez is hugely popular in South America and Bush is universally, globally despised by all except the very rich and powerful, especially in South America.

sam i am
11-07-2005, 08:48 PM
Bush is universally, globally despised by all except the very rich and powerful, especially in South America.

Really? Have you taken a poll?

UNIVERSALLY and GLOBALLY are such all-encompassing words. Glad your rhetoric matches your point.

sam i am
11-16-2005, 06:16 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051116/ts_nm/cuba_usa_castro_dc

Does this put a crimp in Chavez's plans to have Castro as his big ally?

STANKY808
11-16-2005, 06:28 PM
I think Castro already is his big ally. (Maybe this explains why)

Raul (I think that's Fidel's brother's name) will just step in if it's a problem.

And the CIA is a great source for intelligence. They haven't been wrong before or anything.

sam i am
11-16-2005, 06:35 PM
I think Castro already is his big ally. (Maybe this explains why)

Raul (I think that's Fidel's brother's name) will just step in if it's a problem.

And the CIA is a great source for intelligence. They haven't been wrong before or anything.

Good point.

Raul is....what....like 80 years old?

Great succession plan, there, Castro old boy.... :rolleyes:

STANKY808
11-17-2005, 10:49 AM
That's just short term 'til they get the right clone.

sam i am
11-17-2005, 09:43 PM
That's just short term 'til they get the right clone.


Now......THERE'S a succession plan!

Let's clone Dick Nixon! LOL