Sexist attitudes in sports....

[cookiepuss]

man wants to play in womens British Open (http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news;_ylt=Akh8Qpchveb.yE1erZooVz0ogsUF?slug=ap-vandeveldevswomen&prov=ap&type=lgns)

``My whole point is where do we draw the line?'' Van de Velde asked after shooting a 7-over-par 78 Thursday in the first round of the Volvo Masters. ``If we accept that women can enter our tournaments, then it applies that men can play with women.''

fair enough, but why do we need to draw a line at all? How about in all sports, let's just let men and women compete in co-ed tourneys. and then there can also be single sex tournaments as well.

oh and I also don't like weight divisions in boxing. it was better back in the old days when they'd let the little guys take on the big guys. and sometimes the little guy would win anyway. size shouldn't matter, it's about skill.

[Qdrop]

oh and I also don't like weight divisions in boxing. it was better back in the old days when they'd let the little guys take on the big guys. and sometimes the little guy would win anyway. size shouldn't matter, it's about skill.

what are you, insane?

do you watch boxing?

[cookiepuss]

yeah occasionally. I watch boxing sure. and this whole thing where they have to drop 15 pounds in 24 hours to make the weigh in is just stupid. because the weigh in is the day before the fight and they are all dehydrated and have to hydrate again before the fight (and all the weight they lost was water weight anyway) so basically the weigh in is pointless because by the time the fight happens they are back to where they started. stupid.

now as I understand it, back in olden days they didn't even have weight divisions. and that sounds pretty gladiator-cool if you ask me. lets just let em fight and see who gets killed first! yeah.

oh yeah, I am pretty insane.

[K-nowledge]

And all this time I thought Van de Velde was a woman. :rolleyes:

[Loppfessor]

Dude seriously boxing isn’t like martial arts where you can use speed, agility, and leverage to even things up with an oversized opponent. Yes there is a lot of skill involved in boxing but a big chunk of it is power, strength and size. If you tried to put even the best featherweight against a heavyweight he would probably literally be killed.


Anyway as far as the whole sexist thing people need to quit being fucking dumbshits about every little thing. This asshole is just trying to stir shit up and get his 15 minutes of fame.

[TonsOfFun]

^I was gonna say that. Cus in Tae Kwon Do I sparr against women (even my mom, and two sisters) and often get my ass kicked (points wise). But boxing is just brutal against more brut. It's hardly a sport in my opinion, but I suppose still qualifies as one. If I was to kick my mum in the side of the head with all more force then I'd seriously hurt her more than she probably would me. Which is why you get marked down rather than receiving the 3 points you would get for a good technique strike to the head. Plus I'd be a fairly shitty person to do that and have my license taken away (maybe).

Anyway, it's because men's sport has developed more and is often better, he just ain't good enough to play against men. I know some sports women are better - like the marathon. Cus they are built for such a thing. Men are better at short bursts of energy which most sport is based around. Which is why a marathon, women are better. But when a women comes to a male dominated sport and suceeds, why not get the chance to play against men. They are sponsored more and have bigger cash prizes. They are all trying to make a living, why should a women make less? Cus it's always been that way? - I don't buy it. That ass is just stirring things up like Loppf said.

[cookiepuss]

I just think that so very often women want to compete in men's sports and men sometimes want to compete in women's sports that they should simply start a co-ed league to allow men and women to compete against eachother despite any obvisous advantages or disadvantages. Do it across the board, enter at your own risk. That way single sex sports could stay in tack without any body getting thier panites in a wad and there would be an outlet for the battle of the sexes.

[TonsOfFun]

They do have such things in sports where the odds are fairly equal. Do an Ironman, both sexes do the same competition usually. Even though it says -man, But if it was a free for all and say if Mohammed Ali's daughter - I forgot her name, had the wrong publicer and put her up for a fight with a male contender that would kick her ass and all the wrong people was around her - then you are putting someones life at risk - moreso. I'm not saying she has the wrong people round her, I'm just using her as an example cus she is the most (not to mention only) female boxer I can think of.

But on a points scoring system, like I was explaining (we are all padded up head to toe) it can and should happen. So I kinda agree. In football (soccer for yanks) if a women was to play in the mens league and although it isn't a contact sport, contact does happen. Although that shouldn't be a problem but if a tackle was to come in, the muscles wouldn't be as strong to cope with protecting the break of the leg for example as a man. But smaller male players know these risks so I dunno. There is also the bonding thing. It's tribal and male dominate so I team of males would bond together being all males. And a team of women, because of there instinct to protect and look after would bond together rather than a man playing in the womens team. So I see a good case to keep sports like that seperate for the good of the game. Although womens sport should get a better share of the money pie to help it develop. When I was watching the womens euro thing earlier this year, the football was good, I enjoyed it. It was different to mens style of play but as entertaining for all different reasons.

Setting up a whole seperate league away from what is already there, cost money time and willing of people to police and admin it. It would do more harm than good looking in my crystal ball...

[discopants]

Contrary to what they'd have you believe in the Pussies Premiership, football has always been a contact sport, it started off 800 years ago with peasants kicking around the head of a Viking for Christ sake!

[Gareth]

i'm not a racist, but...
watching roger federer destroy a woman would not be fun to watch and would only take about 40 mins.
it wouldnt be a spectacle and it would be hella boring, once the novelty appeal wore off.
hate all you want but its true.

[jabumbo]

i can kind of see where van de velde can be upset, but...

in most golf tournaments, the sposor usually is allowed to pick basically anyone they want to play, or invite to play. for example, the us open is open to anybody who wants to try and qualify. they have regional events around the country and always take a certain number from those.



as far as other sports, a lot of them would be hard to put men and women together, especially at the professional level. i mean, just take most individual sporting events like running for example. the times that a man will run in a given race are always a fraction lower than the womens. its just natural

[cookiepuss]

the times that a man will run in a given race are always a fraction lower than the womens. its just natural

I still think it would be compelling to have co-ed competions, at least in non contact sports, just to see if people can defy the odds.

[guerillaGardner]

I reckon this is more to do with the traditional misogyny and elitism of golf.

They want it to be a white man's game. This girl I keep seeing making the golf headlines pisses them off by being neither male or white.

There's no reason golf should be split by gender as it's about some kind of skill rather than physical power. They are perhaps more scared of added competition and the idea of being beaten by women.

But ultimately if the lines are going to be blurred they have to blur both ways. I think that his bluff should be called and told "Sure join the women tournament" I bet he won't and probably neither would most men.