Hip-Hop:how do you rep it?

[g-mile7]

I see alot of people on here, and I dont need to mention no names, but on here alot of people talk about hip-hop as if they are experts about it(whihc is funny cuz compared to myself they are not in some aspects)...the fact is when i read some of the reponses on here alot of it is biased, one sided views, the ones who do this know who they are the ones who dont need not to apply. I know as a fan of hip-hop I try and preach its gossipal as much as I can, although like Chris Rock said "Its getting harder and harder to defend this shit" I do. Recently I gave a report on Hip-Hop culutre in my Race, Ethecity Sociology Class for the African-American section. The reason I ddi this is for the simple fact that I feel that m,any people have no idea what the hell they are listening to when they bump it...most the people in my class (predominatley white) did not even know that hip-hop is 4 elements.

The point I am trying to make is this, I gave a 7 minute presantation touching on every thing form the history to the impact that it has on the youths, including whites, and not expecting any questions fielded 30+ minutes of questions from both old and young. Everywhere from "does hip-hop still have a postive message" "is it ignroanance that keep my father from listening to the music to sterotype it", "whats the diffrence between a street rapper and commerical rapper" to "why do people idolize 2pac so" it was just an indiction to me that right there, at that specfic moment I was a represtive for the artform, granted I might not know every little thing about ever aspect of it, and I dont try to come off as this on here, I know this: I try and look at both sides of the issue at hand and try and am aware of the bias out there, including my own.

The fact is this I relaize yesterday that its my right as a memeber of both sects (black/hip-hop fan) to defend my decison to listen to this music, to represent it right but on here I see people saying "nothing good past 1989" or "insert name here is overated/hack" I just wanted to get the people on here inpuit on this.How do you represent hip-hop and why do you do it if you do.....if nobody post in this thread it's all right I just felt like venting anyway'

[Qdrop]

i guess i need you to clarify what you're asking...

are you asking me how i "represent hip hop"...if, indeed, i think i am?

[adam_f]

Back in the days of junior high and such, I would listen to my walkman on the bus. Someone usually asked what I was listening too, and I respond with n.w.a. or de la soul or public enemy. They would look at me with wonderment in their eyes, curiously trying to figure out who they were. When I would tell them that they're hip hop groups, normally they would stop talking and go back to talking about whatever pop/punk group was popular at the time.

The problem I always have is that to a lot of folks, hip hop is dismissed as a genre filled with violence and hate, not to mention money and hoes. It doesn't register with non-fans that when Public Enemy said to fight the power, they weren't instigating violence. They were taking a stand against racism and racist stereotypes that white people had placed upon them. When Flavor Flav said 'motherfuck him [Elvis] and John Wayne,' it was a wake-up call to white america that hip hop does have something to say.

The revolutionary artists like Ice Cube and the rest of N.W.A. scared off white america by presenting their lives that were so contrary to what middle america [i.e. Mayberry] life was all about. I have to tell people that, yes, their lyrics are violent and are not for everyone, but it's just like when every other artist released records protesting the Vietnam war. They had their story, hip hop has theirs. It's just a matter of presenting that view to the non-believers. Unfortunately, and especially on here with the love of the mainstream/pop hop, that's a hard thing to do.

[DIGI]

with my k swiss.

[g-mile7]

i guess i need you to clarify what you're asking...

are you asking me how i "represent hip hop"...if, indeed, i think i am?


do you feel that you do? and if so how?

[g-mile7]

Back in the days of junior high and such, I would listen to my walkman on the bus. Someone usually asked what I was listening too, and I respond with n.w.a. or de la soul or public enemy. They would look at me with wonderment in their eyes, curiously trying to figure out who they were. When I would tell them that they're hip hop groups, normally they would stop talking and go back to talking about whatever pop/punk group was popular at the time.

The problem I always have is that to a lot of folks, hip hop is dismissed as a genre filled with violence and hate, not to mention money and hoes. It doesn't register with non-fans that when Public Enemy said to fight the power, they weren't instigating violence. They were taking a stand against racism and racist stereotypes that white people had placed upon them. When Flavor Flav said 'motherfuck him [Elvis] and John Wayne,' it was a wake-up call to white america that hip hop does have something to say.

The revolutionary artists like Ice Cube and the rest of N.W.A. scared off white america by presenting their lives that were so contrary to what middle america [i.e. Mayberry] life was all about. I have to tell people that, yes, their lyrics are violent and are not for everyone, but it's just like when every other artist released records protesting the Vietnam war. They had their story, hip hop has theirs. It's just a matter of presenting that view to the non-believers. Unfortunately, and especially on here with the love of the mainstream/pop hop, that's a hard thing to do.





this is truth (y) thanks for that input man that really gave me some thought

[Qdrop]

do you feel that you do? and if so how?

though learning the history, respecting the legends, learning the art of Djing/turntablism, spreading the love with mixtapes, doing hip hops show at local clubs for years, breaking (years ago), supporting local hip hop shows/scenes, creating and producing my own hip hop and sharing it, buying hip hop records, CD's, video's, and other forms of media, dicussing hip hop in public forums, defending hip hop in public forums...

and i watch BET sometimes....

[cj hood]

i am a hiphop ace from inception to about the mid 90s......now a days, it's comparible to the WWE.......my hiphop/beastie connection in nyc filters all the bullshit for me and tells me what i should check out!!!!

[g-mile7]

though learning the history, respecting the legends, learning the art of Djing/turntablism, spreading the love with mixtapes, doing hip hops show at local clubs for years, breaking (years ago), supporting local hip hop shows/scenes, creating and producing my own hip hop and sharing it, buying hip hop records, CD's, video's, and other forms of media, dicussing hip hop in public forums, defending hip hop in public forums...

and i watch BET sometimes....


hahaha, what do they bring up in these publci forums as questions though cuz the ones I was getting yesterday were pretty funny but intresting'

[g-mile7]

i am a hiphop ace from inception to about the mid 90s......now a days, it's comparible to the WWE.......my hiphop/beastie connection in nyc filters all the bullshit for me and tells me what i should check out!!!!



but, in a sense, are you prejudging hip-hop by not even giving the supposed "bullshit" a chance to be heard....to a have a justified reason for hating some artisit who are pimping the systme like a 50....who to me still represents hip-hop culutre as in today?

[Extra Cheese]

I represent hip-hop by collecting welfare and unemployment at the same time while maintaining a steady job. if thats not hip-hop i just dont know what is.

[Qdrop]

I represent hip-hop by collecting welfare and unemployment at the same time while maintaining a steady job. if thats not hip-hop i just dont know what is.

dude, you are hardcore.

when's your album coming out?

[mickill]

Well, for one, I try to steer most of the conversations I have with other people towards the topic of guns. I also try to instill fear in other people by flicking razor blades around in my mouth with my tongue. I'm really loud at the movies, I call all women hoes and I walk with a mean bop. I'm serious, it looks like I have a missing knee bone in one leg when I walk. Hip hop is all about attitude, so I'm always flipping out on people for no good reason at all. I'll be in the drive thru at McDonald's and dude will be like, can I take your order? And I'll be like, da fuk you think, bitch? Hell yeah, I'll take two Big Macs a super-sized root beer and your momma's number, fool. I got your McNuggets right here, dickface. And that's another thing, I'm constantly grabbing my manhood to let people know what's up. I make it my business to show people I'm no punk, so if I have to, I'll stick a knife in the closest person around me, just to set an example. That's another thing that's hip hop about me: my violent disposition. I pretty much think that everybody's my enemy. You can't trust anybody. You mentioned the 4 elements of hip hop, which is good. I pretty much live by these 4 elements: Slinging crack, poppin' guns, slappin bitches and riding in fly whips. I'm sincere with mines. There's more, but this should suffice for now.

[Extra Cheese]

i rep hip-hop gangsterism by using a 5 gallon mayonaise bottle cap when playing skelly, thats gangsta yo!. Also, i go for days where i only consume grape soda and newport cigarettes.

[King PSYZ]

I guess you could say I rep Hip-Hop since it grabbed me early on. Being white and living in the beach communities of Los Angeles my introduction to Hip-Hop was Breakin' one and two:electric boogaloo, as well as early stations like KDAY and KISS AM.

For me it was all about the breakin' in the early eighties, and for a little chubby white kid I could hold my own, as could my younger brother. We were usually found breakin' for friends and family on our big cardboard or linoleum sheets. Maybe we didn't realise any cultural relevence at the time, but it was something that just seemed right to us.

Until MTV kids basiclly listened to whatever their parents did, so I was stuck with classic and 80's rock until I got old enough to get my own radio and heard KDAY for the first time. It all started again for me, and I was also dabling in grafitti at the time, so now I was coming up with monikers, the best of which I still use today (King Psyz). I also was very into what DJs were doing and could do at the time, and I started fooling around, first with the "rewind/pause" mixes and the getting my own turntables and a space in the garage.

I could be found any day of the week spraypainting my garage with another public enemy logo, or tag and mixing everything from BDP to Dee-Lite and the Happy Mondays. I ended up doing tapes for schools and DJing my High School's lunch periods.

Being around from pretty early on, I got a lot of shit from the other kids, white and black, for liking Hip-Hop. I just figured oh well, I like it and I know where my love is for it. First concert was Big Daddy Kane, Biz Mark, and MC Lyte, and you're damn right I was the only white kid aside from my brother at the Celebrity Theatre in Anahiem that night. But to me it wasn't weather I was white, it was weather I was there fro the music.

My taste is pretty wide and varried now, but there are some artists I just can't listen to without cringing. I don't feel like my love for hip-hop needs to excuse wackness.

[Lex Diamonds]

I listen to A LOT of hip hop but I also listen to other shit so I can get in a conversation with someone about a particular band and they'll be surprised when they realise I'm a hip hop head.

My fashion sense is also a lot more hip hop than anything else. It's kind of hard for it not to be when most of my heroes are rappers.

[cj hood]

but, in a sense, are you prejudging hip-hop by not even giving the supposed "bullshit" a chance to be heard....to a have a justified reason for hating some artisit who are pimping the systme like a 50....who to me still represents hip-hop culutre as in today?

50's a joke......

here's my rule....if you don't the "rapper's" dj's name.....then it ain't hiphop...and if it ain't hiphop, it's not for cj hood!!!

[cosmo105]

i wear bandanas.

[mickill]

50 was a Jam Master Jay protege.

[cj hood]

50 was a Jam Master Jay protege.


that's why Jay's dead mic!!!!!!

[mickill]

Hmmmm...I see...

[S.P.I.C.]

I wear a lot of Bling Bling, put 34 inch spinners on my Escalade, and where spiffy gear by FUBU. (y)

[Freebasser]

Hip...hop? :/

[cosmo105]

i have many babies out of wedlock.

[Tzar]

i 'rep' hip hop by wearing my beastie boys hat, and listening to it on the bus, and listening to it in general.

[HEIRESS]

Im getting 2 LYVE CRU 4 LYFE tattooed on my lower torso and I only fuck face down ass up

[Gareth]

face down ass up
face down ass up
face down ass up
thats the way
we like to fuck

[CJM]

i know i'm no expert. ever since i've had a free choice in music, i've always listened to hip-hop. the first song i can remember clearly was Northern Touch by the Rascalz, Checkmate, Kardinal, Thrust, and Choclair. for the most part i listened to Canadian hip hop (and the beasties), but as time went on i branched out and listened to most of what came by. i'm mostly a fan of groups, cause i love feeling them vibe and flow off each other.

i can pretty much listen to any music, but i feel hip-hop a lot more than other stuff.

some of the artists in my repertoire are: A Tribe Called Quest, Beastie Boys, (old) Black Eyed Peas, Choclair, Classified, Common, CunninLynguists, De La Soul, Dilated Peoples, Jedi Mind Tricks, Jurassic 5, K-OS, Kanye West, Kardinal Offishall, Lauren Hill, Ludacris, Maestro, Mos Def, Outkast, Rascalz, Run DMC, Swollen Members, Talib Kweli, The Roots, Universal Soul, Wyclef Jean, and The Wu-Tang Clan.

i rep it when i play it in my car, when i show it to friends, when i listen to it when i'm walking or Skating down the street, or when i'm chilling in my room unwinding. i'd be a different person if it wasn't for hip-hop.

[Kid Presentable]

I rep hip-hop by not giving a fuck what anybody else thinks.

[roosta]

i rep hip-hop by listening to it, as it is my favourite music.

couldn't really give a fuck bout anything else.

[Kid Presentable]

i rep hip-hop by listening to it, as it is my favourite music.

couldn't really give a fuck bout anything else.

This too.

[g-mile7]

I guess you could say I rep Hip-Hop since it grabbed me early on. Being white and living in the beach communities of Los Angeles my introduction to Hip-Hop was Breakin' one and two:electric boogaloo, as well as early stations like KDAY and KISS AM.

For me it was all about the breakin' in the early eighties, and for a little chubby white kid I could hold my own, as could my younger brother. We were usually found breakin' for friends and family on our big cardboard or linoleum sheets. Maybe we didn't realise any cultural relevence at the time, but it was something that just seemed right to us.

Until MTV kids basiclly listened to whatever their parents did, so I was stuck with classic and 80's rock until I got old enough to get my own radio and heard KDAY for the first time. It all started again for me, and I was also dabling in grafitti at the time, so now I was coming up with monikers, the best of which I still use today (King Psyz). I also was very into what DJs were doing and could do at the time, and I started fooling around, first with the "rewind/pause" mixes and the getting my own turntables and a space in the garage.

I could be found any day of the week spraypainting my garage with another public enemy logo, or tag and mixing everything from BDP to Dee-Lite and the Happy Mondays. I ended up doing tapes for schools and DJing my High School's lunch periods.

Being around from pretty early on, I got a lot of shit from the other kids, white and black, for liking Hip-Hop. I just figured oh well, I like it and I know where my love is for it. First concert was Big Daddy Kane, Biz Mark, and MC Lyte, and you're damn right I was the only white kid aside from my brother at the Celebrity Theatre in Anahiem that night. But to me it wasn't weather I was white, it was weather I was there fro the music.

My taste is pretty wide and varried now, but there are some artists I just can't listen to without cringing. I don't feel like my love for hip-hop needs to excuse wackness.




serious though and Im not saying there isnt any whack shit out there but as a whole too many people discirmnate on some levels of the artform even the people who say there involved with it, but thanks for that comment I was hoping for some serious input and I got it' by some y'all thanks for that.

[Lex Diamonds]

This thread reminds me of the Inspectah Deck song "Stereotype".


I rep dat, hat to tha back, chrome blades,
Low fade, blazin' the haze in the hallways.

(y)

[g-mile7]

This thread reminds me of the Inspectah Deck song "Stereotype".


I rep dat, hat to tha back, chrome blades,
Low fade, blazin' the haze in the hallways.

(y)


thanks for the comment.... (y) thats one of my favorite verses done by INS the Rebel (y)

[g-mile7]

I listen to A LOT of hip hop but I also listen to other shit so I can get in a conversation with someone about a particular band and they'll be surprised when they realise I'm a hip hop head.

My fashion sense is also a lot more hip hop than anything else. It's kind of hard for it not to be when most of my heroes are rappers.



I listen to all types of music too so, at least to me, I can see both sides of the spectrum in terms of debate because the same type of sterotyping happens in all music sad thing is most people will just continue to live in their little hole untill the floods come...I envy those people to an extent....cause even if they might be wrong they feel like their so right...the state of wonderment and worry eludes them

[g-mile7]

I rep with the hip hop and you don't stop

recs, cd's, support, ideas, scratching that itch on my decks...for 10 years

Been into it since my brothers used to breakdance ala cardboard and zipper pants, plus we all rollerskated in the early 80's, when hiphop culture was starting to get it's "Yo" on. I've never viewed myself as "hiphop" as I do "punk", "college rock", "jazz", or "experimental".

I choose the music, attitudes, and whatever I like because I like it. NO better rep on any one of those things. I may listen to some Tool on the way home from school, listen to some Dead Can Dance while studying and have a scratch session on my tables after dinner.

I just read Peter Piper from my College Literature book....seriously, I did

word



me as well last semster bet it was the same book too

[g-mile7]

is it the Intro to Literature by Kennedy and Gioia?


that big yellow book I think??then yes sounds about right features the poem I got an A+ on The Weary Blues by Langsthon Huges :D

[Bob]

i don't represent it on any kind of huge scale, i'm really just a casual fan of it, though i think my tastes are a little more refined than most of my friends. most of my friends are pretty ignorant about it, they think shit like 50 cent is what rap is really all about, and whenever they say stupid things like that, i feel obliged to say "no it's not", but i don't ever really get into much more detail than that, because i really don't know very much. i know more than that, though.

but really, no, i don't represent it, i'm pretty ignorant too i guess. i mean, i only heard illmatic for the first time like a month ago. i can't name a tupac song. i'm not even sure what the difference is between hip hop and rap. like i said, i'm just a casual fan, but i know enough to know that i don't know much.

[g-mile7]

i don't represent it on any kind of huge scale, i'm really just a casual fan of it, though i think my tastes are a little more refined than most of my friends. most of my friends are pretty ignorant about it, they think shit like 50 cent is what rap is really all about, and whenever they say stupid things like that, i feel obliged to say "no it's not", but i don't ever really get into much more detail than that, because i really don't know very much. i know more than that, though.

but really, no, i don't represent it, i'm pretty ignorant too i guess. i mean, i only heard illmatic for the first time like a month ago. i can't name a tupac song. i'm not even sure what the difference is between hip hop and rap. like i said, i'm just a casual fan, but i know enough to know that i don't know much.



thats all good though...ignorance is saying "so so is whack/so so is the GOAT" without having ANY good argument other then "yo I know the flow joe" type of shit....












this reminds me I got in a discussion of hip-hop/rap again when get my hair braided on Sat....the shop ran by peeps from Africa but anyways this women was getting her shit done and was like "omg they got a statue of 2pac in Atlanta" like Paul Jones mentioned a while back I think (you know the one where Mickill was like its in g`miles room(the location)) but anyways so the two african women, from Africa, say that they love 2pac and know all his music, now many might be like is this bout 2pac not just him but the music too that they said to me that when he died so many people in Africa cried that day that "it was the same as when Bob Marely died" and they had lil processions for him that whole week which just shows, to me, not only his impact but Rap Music's potential imapct on the whole world as well. Just was intresting...as the black lady who was getting her hair braided said "I dont like rap, nevere have but 2pac he was just so real to me, and you could UNDERSTAND what he was rapping about" just showign that even those who dont like the msuic can at least recognize some good from it

[Extra Cheese]

Barry White hated hip-hop

[buddylee]

lets see before the Sugar Hill Gang there was some thing called Soul that was way better than any crap called hip hop.
Many whities would be looked down on with statments like "what are you doing listening to that Black music"
Rap really started coming to its own back in '83 with acts like
The Geto Boys (my freshmon year) along with Popin and lockin. Thing took an harmless turn around 86' with the 2 live crew .Then things went south in '89 with NWA Straight
Outta Compton. yet Rap was still about the fight .
Things really turned to shit by '97 with Master P and Ghetto D
and Lyrics "make crack like this". Now by '99 all hell and a new face of hate came out nowere with THE SLIM SHADY LP.
Now in the year 2006 we acept in to the main stream and many look up to someone like Diddy (p diddy ,puffy) a Text
Book Case of "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" (for those who dont know Link (http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html) )

Now think back in '79 with the great "Disco Suck" and the graet Disco Demolition Night at Comiskey Park in Chicago, Illinois. Back in the day when thier was never a word of drive by shooting .

now hip hop is like a every ripe pimple ready to pop..... what comes next I dont even look forward to.

[Documad]

^^ My best friend thinks that someday Diddy's going to do a TV show where he "discovers" that black people can play musical instruments and put together a soul band. Because that's the only way it will ever happen again. She's a musician, from a family of musicians, and she feels pretty bad about how no one employs musicians. Late 60s-early 70s soul music is so precious to me that I can understand what she's saying.



I don't rep hip hop, but sadly there are people in my real life who think I do. They're just that stupid.

In my opinion, most popular music is crap: today, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, whenever. Why would hip hop be any different?

It seems to me that there was a time, when hip hop was meant for a small, young audience. It spoke to its audience's concerns. But as it aged, it changed. This is true for rock n' roll too. It started out being about dating and school and cars -- teenage stuff. As time passed, it reached a broader and broader audience, and as it did so, rock stars wrote about a broader range of topics, and a lot of it was complete crap.

Hip hop has never been my favorite kind of music, but there have always been certain CDs that worked for me. I tend to prefer political. I tend to prefer female artists. I tend to prefer funny. And once in a while, there's something that's got such clever word play, and/or such a great overall sound, that I like it in spite of myself.

I can hear an artist like 50 cent and understand that he speaks to an audience, and sometimes I can understand why he speaks to that audience, but he doesn't speak to me. I also wasn't meant for Napolean Dynamite or the O.C. And that's okay.

As for the bias against hip hop and its perceived negative influence: I worked in juvenile court in large city. I worry more about the kids who are heavily into metal.

[synch]

I was about sixteen when I started listening to hip hop. Different things appealed back then and for a large part it was all new to me. I listened to The Chronic, Lethal Injection, Home Invasion, Above the Rim, Black Sunday, Fear of a Black Planet etc. Those albums are still classics to me but I can't take them as seriously as I used to.

Two reasons for that. First of all I didn't realise at the time how much some of the songs were basically carbon copies of older songs. I didn't get into George Clinton until much later and was pretty much shocked to hear practically the entire Chronic album being based on Parliament/Funkadelic beats and melodies. I don't know if it would have bothered me if I had known the songs before that but, dunno, it was a bit of a shock anyway. I know the Beastie Boys sample a lot but it seems less... dunno... blatant. There is a difference between using rifs, samples and beats and completely copying a song.

Second of all, the whole sexist, violent, "gangsta" thing got old. It was fun when I was sixteen (and maybe a bit older) but it doesn't do anything for me anymore. Like Dre said on the New Jersey Drive soundtrack, "It's all entertainment, it's like a fucking job".

Then mr P Daddy Diddy Puff came along and made it all about the money and bling (or if he didn't start it was the first one I remember getting annoyed about it).

Bleh. Not my thing.

Not saying that there aren't any more good rap artists that make intelligent music but the amount of utter tripe that comes out is overwhelming.

In my opinion of course.

[Tzar]

i've found myself listening/downloading more metal (or rock) music lately than rap music. i don't know why i've gone off rap; maybe cause there hasn't been any groundbreaking releases within the last couple of months. whereas with metal; there's always something new and different.

i still hold hip hop as my type of "culture" and rap music as my #1 type of music but... there's something missing. i need that 1 album to make me stand up and go "FUCK YES! I LOVE RAP...AGAIN!". :(

hurry up BBoys and release your live dvd!!

[monkey]

gmile: i wish you'd use better grammar and spelling. your arguments would sound so much better if they were written correctly in that sense.
that said, i think hiphop is becoming super popular and diluted, and i personally cant wait until a new movement born of hip hop comes from the underground, something that will blow our minds. and im sure it will happen, because people are constantly creating and changing the musical map.

:)

and i rep it by being gangsta.

[mp-seventythree]

I walk around holding my crotch a lot, but people just think I need to pee all the time :(

[Qdrop]

i watched BET for a couple minutes again yesterday.

i did my part.

[cj hood]

everytime i step out of the house i'm reppin' hiphop in some way...

[Qdrop]

i guess i could go home and call my girl a vile, misogynistic name....
if need be.

she'll understand...

[skinnybutphat]

I'm tired of all these Temple of Hip Hop movements. I'm ready for a new genre to take over, like grunge, but less grungy.

Crash-hop, Rasta-rock, Slip-slop or something.

[mickill]

Rap's not dead, it's just hiding itself from a lot of idiots.

[skinnybutphat]

Rap's not dead, it's just hiding itself from a lot of idiots.

The fuck is rap?

[mickill]

You're right. I meant to say hip hop. My bad. Rap....psssh. I'm such an idiot sometimes.

By the way, does anybody here listen to Country & Western? Just curious.

[skinnybutphat]

Hick-hop

The 4 elements are:
1. Moon-shining
2. Jug-blowin
3. Tractor-pullin
4. Fun-fiddling

[synch]

i guess i could go home and call my girl a vile, misogynistic name....
if need be.

she'll understand...
Bernadette?

[g-mile7]

gmile: i wish you'd use better grammar and spelling. your arguments would sound so much better if they were written correctly in that sense.that said, i think hiphop is becoming super popular and diluted, and i personally cant wait until a new movement born of hip hop comes from the underground, something that will blow our minds. and im sure it will happen, because people are constantly creating and changing the musical map.

:)

and i rep it by being gangsta.


it's called a message board if I worried about being judged on that aspect of my life, called my school alter ego(which by the way gets "your one of the best writers I've ever seen" "A in English"), on here where there are people who dont give a fuck about anything else otuside their own lives and being serious, then it would be a waste of time and frankly sugga (or suger) I don't have time to waste with trying to come across "educated" with some people who obviously, to me, aren't even close to my level...if I really wanted to I'd destroy most of the arguments on here....wow such concern over grammer.





Anyways....the new movement is coming soon, no matter what people say Kanye is doing something special and it can be seen with his work with such people as Dilated,Talib,Mos and most recently Common....even Kanye's singles (All Falls Down, Jesus Walks, Gold Digger) arent the conventional "pop song" single when comapred to 50, Nelly, Bow Wow etc.

[monkey]

i dont doubt that you are intelligent, and you have great things to say. but it's hard to read your posts/understand your point sometimes because of the grammatical mistakes. im not saying write proper essays. im just trying to let you know that if you want to come across more clearly, you might as well revise and make it more understandable.

:) my pet peeve happens to be grammatical errors. chalk it up to years of doing editing/copy editing.

[g-mile7]

^^ My best friend thinks that someday Diddy's going to do a TV show where he "discovers" that black people can play musical instruments and put together a soul band. Because that's the only way it will ever happen again. She's a musician, from a family of musicians, and she feels pretty bad about how no one employs musicians. Late 60s-early 70s soul music is so precious to me that I can understand what she's saying.



I don't rep hip hop, but sadly there are people in my real life who think I do. They're just that stupid.

In my opinion, most popular music is crap: today, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, whenever. Why would hip hop be any different?

It seems to me that there was a time, when hip hop was meant for a small, young audience. It spoke to its audience's concerns. But as it aged, it changed. This is true for rock n' roll too. It started out being about dating and school and cars -- teenage stuff. As time passed, it reached a broader and broader audience, and as it did so, rock stars wrote about a broader range of topics, and a lot of it was complete crap.

Hip hop has never been my favorite kind of music, but there have always been certain CDs that worked for me. I tend to prefer political. I tend to prefer female artists. I tend to prefer funny. And once in a while, there's something that's got such clever word play, and/or such a great overall sound, that I like it in spite of myself.

I can hear an artist like 50 cent and understand that he speaks to an audience, and sometimes I can understand why he speaks to that audience, but he doesn't speak to me. I also wasn't meant for Napolean Dynamite or the O.C. And that's okay.

As for the bias against hip hop and its perceived negative influence: I worked in juvenile court in large city. I worry more about the kids who are heavily into metal.


thats the point I made when I had my presantation that for many people some things arent for them but to say that the whole genre sucks because of one person, or to label the whole new generation of hip-hop just cuz of 50, Puffy (and Biggie to an extent) is flawed. People forget that before "just a lil bit" 50 had some really good songs, I remember the hype for him to and I went and bought No Mercy, No Fear to peep 50, and I thought "damn this homie is clever as hell" but then it all went downhill, but the fact is every rapper is in the game for money, anybody that saids other wise is a damn lier even the underground rappers want the fame with their prespective audience, 50 just know the game......I still say is better then Nelly, Ja Rule, Bow Wow, Chingy and a good portion of the southren/bay rap scene thats my word. I listen to Ryda Music and even Hustlers Ambition and can see that potential that made me at least listne to him back then. It's just so funny how it's the "cool thing to do" to bash 50 if your claim you hip-hop/rap, just like its the cool thing to do to bash Bush and say Free Tibet....

[g-mile7]

i dont doubt that you are intelligent, and you have great things to say. but it's hard to read your posts/understand your point sometimes because of the grammatical mistakes. im not saying write proper essays. im just trying to let you know that if you want to come across more clearly, you might as well revise and make it more understandable.

:) my pet peeve happens to be grammatical errors. chalk it up to years of doing editing/copy editing.


No sweat just an annoyance when people put that on blast like everyone on here is legit to hear what your saying.it's all good gangsta'

[King PSYZ]

g-mile touched on something I've seen coming for a long time, the underground will soon be the mainstream.

the "backpacker", indie, and soul hip-hop movements are gathering steam. The Roots have been killing it for years, we all know that but as their influence spreads expect an explosion of solid bands doing hip-hop flavored sounds.
The Cyphers out there and the Trunk MixTape kids are getting wider recognition, and look for this wave of MCs to start taking over the ears of America and the rest of the world.
The Backpackers and the Turntablist are also getting their due, thanks in no small part to Kanye blowing the hell up and taking a lot of formally overlooked MCs into the forefront of hip-hop, and you can even credit the Beasties with having a showcase turntablist for a DJ, as well as many others, Babu of Blackalicious comes to mind as well.

I think in the next few years the Turntablist sound will get more legitimized and more of a singular noticeable sound to it. There will always be the standouts, but I think you'll start to see that genre of music being pushed heavily. I really think this is the next big thing to come from the hip-hop world.

Personally, I'm really holding out for an explosion of band based hip-hop. I think it's going to be bringing in a lot of naysayers and giving the sound legitimacy in their eyes.

[Mot]

I'm really holding out for an explosion of band based hip-hop
That would be the shit! (y)

[buddylee]

i dont doubt that you are intelligent, and you have great things to say. but it's hard to read your posts/understand your point sometimes because of the grammatical mistakes. im not saying write proper essays. im just trying to let you know that if you want to come across more clearly, you might as well revise and make it more understandable.

:) my pet peeve happens to be grammatical errors. chalk it up to years of doing editing/copy editing.

you must love me. I write like a old china`mon speeks

[g-mile7]

g-mile touched on something I've seen coming for a long time, the underground will soon be the mainstream.

the "backpacker", indie, and soul hip-hop movements are gathering steam. The Roots have been killing it for years, we all know that but as their influence spreads expect an explosion of solid bands doing hip-hop flavored sounds.
The Cyphers out there and the Trunk MixTape kids are getting wider recognition, and look for this wave of MCs to start taking over the ears of America and the rest of the world.
The Backpackers and the Turntablist are also getting their due, thanks in no small part to Kanye blowing the hell up and taking a lot of formally overlooked MCs into the forefront of hip-hop, and you can even credit the Beasties with having a showcase turntablist for a DJ, as well as many others, Babu of Blackalicious comes to mind as well.

I think in the next few years the Turntablist sound will get more legitimized and more of a singular noticeable sound to it. There will always be the standouts, but I think you'll start to see that genre of music being pushed heavily. I really think this is the next big thing to come from the hip-hop world.

Personally, I'm really holding out for an explosion of band based hip-hop. I think it's going to be bringing in a lot of naysayers and giving the sound legitimacy in their eyes.



even today, and I assume you mean band as in the lyricist spitten over actauly instruments like the roots, is seen. Jay-Z is known for having live bands being played during his perfromances (The Blueprint Unplugged which is ill, Fade to Black etc.) as well as Snoop at the recent live8 show. I think thats a sound that will really bring it to the rest of the people. I do usally a live acoustic set with my boy (I put the video on here) I rap over his guitar playing, which even had rocker chicks bouncing to it, these chicks I bet dont even like rap but in that form it didnt even appear as rap to them.

Next Thing You Know
by Matthew West
album: History (2005)
I remember when I was thirteen
I saw a picture on my T.V. screen
the Reverend Billy Graham
and the people singing "Just as I am"
and it felt like you were talking to me
and the whole world seemed to fade away
untill I heard my mom say
"Son, are you okay?
Do you wanna pray?"
and that became the hour
I first believed

Next thing you know
I'm high and flyin'
Next thing you know
My heart is in your hands
Next thing you know
There's no denyin'
Next thing you know
I'm a brand new man

Well, I wish I could say I always stayed right there
And I did until my freshmen year
But the world was pulling me a long way from thirteen
And you were calling but I didn't hear
Still I knew there was something more
So, one day my knees hit the dorm room floor
I said, "If you're there, and if you really care,
Come talk to me like I was thirteen."

Next thing you know
I'm high and flyin'
Next thing you know
My heart is in your hands
Next thing you know
There's no denyin'
Next thing you know
I'm a brand new man

lalalalalalalalalalalalalala

Got a picture in my head today
of how heaven might look someday
I see the people there
so I pull up a chair
And their stories, they blow me away
'Cause I can see it on every face
The evidence of grace
And as I listen it occurs to me
Everybody's got their own thirteen

So, what's your story about His glory?
You gotta find your place in the history of grace
Yeah, what's your story about His glory?
Come on and find your place

Next thing you know
I'm high and flyin'
Next thing you know
My heart is in your hands
Next thing you know
There's no denyin'
Next thing you know
I'm a brand new man
(x2)

lalalalalalalalalalalalalala
(x3)





that song I just posted is a song that is played on the local Chirstian rock station (a girl in my class works for them) I listened to this song because she told me it sounded like a rap song, and sure enough this dude is rapping but funny thing is that most of the people who are vibing to this song I bet dont even like rap even though, at it's heart, it is a rap song. The point Im trying to make is this, hip-hop music has the potential to grow into a potent form and the use of an actaul backing band might just be the ticket.

[King PSYZ]

Exactly, I know that you see a lot more live shows going the real band route. What I want to see is that pushed forward more onto the CD release, as well as the image and sound as a whole.

I'd rather hear a real life instrumentation with a DJ still there producing the original sound, rather than aping the CD/DAT/digitally produced tracks.

I think the rumblings are there, and the more you see it in live shows, the closer we are to having hip hop seen as a viable and certifiable genre in the eyes of the rest of the world outside of those in the know.

[g-mile7]

Exactly, I know that you see a lot more live shows going the real band route. What I want to see is that pushed forward more onto the CD release, as well as the image and sound as a whole.

I'd rather hear a real life instrumentation with a DJ still there producing the original sound, rather than aping the CD/DAT/digitally produced tracks.

I think the rumblings are there, and the more you see it in live shows, the closer we are to having hip hop seen as a viable and certifiable genre in the eyes of the rest of the world outside of those in the know.



something like that would do well too if the garbage of MASH-UPs Linkin Park/Jay-z Collision course did as well as it did....then shoot I see potential.

[King PSYZ]

I think I might be tainted, as I'm less than 48 hours off of seeing the Roots kill the HoB Las Vegas. (y)

[g-mile7]

I think I might be tainted, as I'm less than 48 hours off of seeing the Roots kill the HoB Las Vegas. (y)


lucky self tell us how it goes

[King PSYZ]

It was amazing, anyone who wants to see some muddled video phone footage let me know your email and i'll be happy to send it to you.

They really showcased themselves as musicans Sunday night, every one of them taking a nice long solo to rousing applause. The first of the night was Hub on bass, ripping it up from slow slap funk bass to some just shy of metal bass raging. A seriously impressive bass player with a wide array of styles available to him.

The next solo of the night was F. Knuckles and ?uestlove on a side by side drum solo. The mastery ?uest has not only of the drums and rhythm in general, but of the entire roots crew is impressive. I was facinated how with simple glances, nods, and winks he could comand performance from the rest of the band. While ripping through one of the fastest sections of the solo, he sent a wild eyed glare off to his right, seconds later guitarist Capt. Kirk comes out and follows along to hand and head gestures from ?uest. Then stopping and starting at a moments notice... very impressive.

After a few more songs it was Maldog's turn to solo, and while it might not technically be a solo, he comanded the direction for the next 20 or so minutes. Ripping the keys and taking everyone through just about every memorable hip-hop hit from the begining to right now...no wait...now. Some of the most fun I have ever had at a hip-hop show.

Lastly, Captain Kirk ended the night with a solo guitar beating that started in the audience of the house of blues and had him aping every guitar legend. OK not aping, channeling every legend of the guitar hall of fame. It was a loud and awesome end to an amazing performance.

[g-mile7]

It was amazing, anyone who wants to see some muddled video phone footage let me know your email and i'll be happy to send it to you.

They really showcased themselves as musicans Sunday night, every one of them taking a nice long solo to rousing applause. The first of the night was Hub on bass, ripping it up from slow slap funk bass to some just shy of metal bass raging. A seriously impressive bass player with a wide array of styles available to him.

The next solo of the night was F. Knuckles and ?uestlove on a side by side drum solo. The mastery ?uest has not only of the drums and rhythm in general, but of the entire roots crew is impressive. I was facinated how with simple glances, nods, and winks he could comand performance from the rest of the band. While ripping through one of the fastest sections of the solo, he sent a wild eyed glare off to his right, seconds later guitarist Capt. Kirk comes out and follows along to hand and head gestures from ?uest. Then stopping and starting at a moments notice... very impressive.

After a few more songs it was Maldog's turn to solo, and while it might not technically be a solo, he comanded the direction for the next 20 or so minutes. Ripping the keys and taking everyone through just about every memorable hip-hop hit from the begining to right now...no wait...now. Some of the most fun I have ever had at a hip-hop show.

Lastly, Captain Kirk ended the night with a solo guitar beating that started in the audience of the house of blues and had him aping every guitar legend. OK not aping, channeling every legend of the guitar hall of fame. It was a loud and awesome end to an amazing performance.


that is insane as hell I'll say, everytime they perform live its like a piece of hip-hop history I'll tell you what though.


reppin hip-hop:

http://rapidshare.de/files/7064354/11_Track_11.mp3.html

http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3GYMNNBOAL1OY0WS3TOQ2F75W0