2Pac is responsible for producing an entire generation of idiots

[mickill]

I enjoy his music for the most part, but his pseudo-philosophical rhetoric and conflicted personality was responsible for spawning more wiggers than any one person in history, socially set a good majority of minorities back about 10 years, initiated the petty beefing in the rap industry and, not to mention, became the template for about 50% of the worst rap artists ever.

He wasn't the Malcom X of his generation, he wasn't the black Bob Dylan, there's no need to dissect his lyrics in needless college courses devoted entirely to him, he's not alive and, since we're on the topic, Eminem needs to stop calling himself the "white Pac". I work with this one kid that has basically modelled his entire lifestyle around this man's influence. It's disgusting. It needs to stop. These are the fathers of future generations; generations that will grow exceedingly less intelligent if this doesn't end already.

[Nuzzolese]

I had no idea. I never listened to 2Pac.

[synch]

He wasn't the Malcom X of his generation, he wasn't the black Bob Dylan, there's no need to dissect his lyrics in needless college courses devoted entirely to him, he's not alive and, since we're on the topic, Eminem needs to stop calling himself the "white Pac". I work with this one kid that has basically modelled his entire lifestyle around this man's influence. It's disgusting. It needs to stop. These are the fathers of future generations; generations that will grow exceedingly less intelligent if this doesn't end already.
Sounds like "The Black Elvis" to me.

[mickill]

I had no idea. I never listened to 2Pac.
That's why you're still "tolerable".

[mp-seventythree]

Too many people referring to the guy as a fallen soldier, or as some kind of martyr. Martyr to what, shooting your mouth off?

[Qdrop]

I enjoy his music for the most part, but his pseudo-philosophical rhetoric and conflicted personality was responsible for spawning more wiggers than any one person in history, socially set a good majority of minorities back about 10 years, initiated the petty beefing in the rap industry and, not to mention, became the template for about 50% of the worst rap artists ever.

He wasn't the Malcom X of his generation, he wasn't the black Bob Dylan, there's no need to dissect his lyrics in needless college courses devoted entirely to him, he's not alive and, since we're on the topic, Eminem needs to stop calling himself the "white Pac". I work with this one kid that has basically modelled his entire lifestyle around this man's influence. It's disgusting. It needs to stop. These are the fathers of future generations; generations that will grow exceedingly less intelligent if this doesn't end already.

M-E-D-I-A



hell, hiphop is rife with hypocrisy....i am a KRS1 fan, after all. that guy contradicts himself about 5 times per album.

[roosta]

2pac was the biggest contradiction in music history.

One one hand he was banging on bout black empowerment and social conscience and all that, next song he's one some pure ig'nant shit. And people try to defend him that he was "showing it like it was", which is horse shit. On half the songs he is straight up glorifying being a cunt.

[mickill]

Eminem is calling himself the "White Pac"!?
Yes. Well he has on a couple occasions. But I'm judging him more by his actions and the fact that he's become more "angry thug moron" and less "angry nerd comedian" over the past few years.

I know it's hype, Q. That's what I'm saying. KRS has probably still done more good than harm, despite his obvious contradictory approach to just about everything he's said and done.

[mickill]

2pac was the biggest contradiction in music history.

One one hand he was banging on bout black empowerment and social conscience and all that, next song he's one some pure ig'nant shit. And people try to defend him that he was "showing it like it was", which is horse shit. On half the songs he is straight up glorifying being a cunt.

Yessir. Don't get me wrong, I was/kinda still am a fan, but people need to knock it off already.

[mp-seventythree]

"angry nerd comedian"

Sums him up pretty well

[roosta]

it is interesting how eminem changed his style, from precisely as mickill says "angry nerd comedian" to "angry thug moron"....
almost coincides with his move from "talented" to "putting out shit week after week"

[mickill]

Has anybody heard or seen the video for that song Welcome To Detroit by Trick Trick and Eminem? It's ridiculous:

Hook- Eminem]
Where's my gangstas and all my thugs?
Throw them hands up and show some some love and uhh
Welcome to Detroit City
I said welcome to Detroit City
Every place everywhere we go
Man we deep everywhere we roll
Ask around and they all know Tricky
That's whats good man they all say Tricky

[Verse 1- Eminem]
Click click boom, just as soon as we hit the room
You can hear 'em holla Goon Squad in this bitch
Let me hear you holla Good Squad in this bitch
Let me hear you holla Runyon Ave. in this bitch
So who am I gonna call on when I ain't got them boys with me
And the situation gets a little sticky
I'ma dial 911 like a mufuckin' punk, fuck that, bla bla
I'ma call that rude boi from Detroit Trick Trick
Quick come pick me up, bring them guns
Come to the club, meet me out front
There's some chump up in this bitch
Poppin' some junk cause he's drunk
And we may have to fuck his ass up
Cause uh somethin' smells a lil fishy
And I don't like the way his boys keep lookin' at me
So homie come get me, Chedda boys what up though I see you
Rock Bottom, yea I see you, all my Detroit people
Where you at man, let me see them hands in the sky
Detroit mufuckas till we die

[ms.peachy]

All of my kids (pupils) love 2Pac. Most of them has this whole "he's not dead" conspiracy thing in their heads. He's like this generation's Jim Morrison is the way I see it - sooner or later they'll grow out of it and really that not only is he dead, but that's kind of OK cuz he wasn't actually really as great in life as they thought.

[cosmo105]

All of my kids (pupils) love 2Pac. Most of them has this whole "he's not dead" conspiracy thing in their heads. He's like this generation's Jim Morrison is the way I see it - sooner or later they'll grow out of it and really that not only is he dead, but that's kind of OK cuz he wasn't actually really as great in life as they thought.
thank you, thank you, thank you. i can't stand the way people worship morrison. if he were still alive he'd be making soft jazz covers of his greatest hits and you all know it.

[mp-seventythree]

thank you, thank you, thank you. i can't stand the way people worship morrison. if he were still alive he'd be making soft jazz covers of his greatest hits and you all know it.

Or his own Vegas show

[synch]

Would hendrix be playing acoustic sessions in vegas?

[cosmo105]

in a rhinestone jumpsuit

[cosmo105]

Would hendrix be playing acoustic sessions in vegas?
now, i'd like to think hendrix would have more class than that. i think he'd be doing porn.

[mickill]

Jim Morrison was pretty unspectacular. I do enjoy a few Doors songs, but there's probably never been a more undeserving praised dead rock star ever.

[synch]

now, i'd like to think hendrix would have more class than that. i think he'd be doing porn.
:D

[synch]

Jim Morrison was pretty unspectacular. I do enjoy a few Doors songs, but there's probably never been a more undeserving praised dead rock star ever.
Nah, I reckon he was a good front man but the praise is way out of proportion.

[mickill]

Name a more undeserving praised dead rock star, Wally.

[cosmo105]

the big boppa.

[roosta]

kurt cobain

*runs, runs away very fast*

[synch]

Name a more undeserving praised dead rock star, Wally.
Half of Pantera, Mickey.

[HEIRESS]

pac's beats are wack

end of story.

[g-mile7]

you know it was only a matter of time till I got into this discussion (and I'm sure Mickill was waiting for this shit werent you?) these are all arguments (spelling mistakes and all) I have made in the past


2pac Shakur lol I could debate this for days on why I feel he's not overtaed but is in fact underated, but given the makeup of this board and the overal knowledge of it I know it would be futile.


But heres my thoughts (reasons Pac is a legimate GOAT) anyways the only time I'll go in dpeth bout it, least I will know I tried to defned my favoirte rapper right:



You look at 50, you look at Ja, you look at any rapper who has used the word thug (Nas, Jay-Z, Mobb Depp, Norega) in there raps and you come back to one person, 2pac. You cant deny his influnece on both rappers and the culture is as great as Rakim or Chuck D. He is the first rapper to ever have an actaul class (UC Berkely and other schools) that study his rap lyrics and poetry. For people to say he is overated is flawed in this sense, his influence on hip-hop culture is undeniable

Pac was charismatic as hell, his style his personality was a magnat, now you have people trying to sound like him in the way they carry themseleves and act. To be the GOAT you have to be verstile, 2pac was that. No other rapper in recent memory could switch up his song content like Pac. His categroy is one of diverse music, even has something your moms would love (Dear Mama) poltical (Brendas Got a Baby) and str8 west coast (2 of amerikas most wanted). 2pac is what every rapper should aim to be: verstile in the songs they make and create. He was one of the best story tellers as well(rival to Biggie), highly underated all you have to do is listen to BRendaz got a baby, Dear Mama, Uncondtional Love to hear.

I think the main reason, and I have found this out with many 2pac overated(or he used thug, nigga alot even though a song/story is not based on reptiton of a word), is the fact that his wasnt the best at "flowing". What that means is his deleivery might not have been smooth as Bigge or Nas. Thats the main reason people dont consider him the best;however, 2pac had the fire and emotion in his songs that I think a biggie or Nas missed, you listen to all there songs combined and you can hear the differnce in delievery in Pac. He could do a song like Dear Mama and you could here the emotion in his voice, the genuine love for his mother, then a song like Pain where in the 2 verse he starts off calm but the fire in his vocie towards the end of the song can send chills through a brotha who can relate/feel what he's saying.He didnt think he was Jesus no, but he knew something was destine for him and he rapped about it

To judge 2pac on one aspect of rap is flawed, to me 2pac was the Jordan of rap, he was good at every aspect of rap, someone like a Barkely (lets say Biggie) might be better at rebounding (delievery) but that deosnt mean that Barleky is an overal better player then Jordan. I hate the fact just becasue people hate MTV they automatically assume that its the MTV generation hyping Pac up. Dont think tupac's overtaed just becasuse the same fans bumpin him are bumpin 50. 2pac had the talent, fire and desire of a true hip-hop juggernaut. And most rappers today would tell you that too. His impact on the game is greater then Biggie, if anything Biggie is overated, if you wanna play that game I could eaisly say that Big L was better. How can you say Biggie is the GOAT when he only got the chance to put out 2 (4 if you want to count the double disc and born) cds during his lifetime? Pac was already at 6 and showed growht lyrically and in content.

Not to mention he also has a vast colection (up to 12) of music to judge him better by this is taken from 2pacboard.com and it fits into this really well:

Quote:
Tupac was and will always be the greatest, most controversial rapper of all time. He never held back on anything. If he had something to say, he'd say it straight up. People didn't always like what he had to say and it got him in to a lot of trouble, but he kept it real and always told things like they were. "That's how I feel, I'ma do whatever I like ... I was raised in this society so you can't expect me to be a perfect person cause I'ma do what I'ma do." That's what I admired most about Tupac. He was always up in your face about everything, he never coward and kept things inside, he'd always stand up for himself and what he believed in. He also had an extreme desire to achieve, he worked harder in his 25 years than most people could in 10 life times. Edi and Kastro of the Outlawz said that the album Makaveli, was written and recorded in 7 days, thus the "7 Day Theory". He'd only sleep for 3-4 hours a night. He said "The only thing that comes to a sleeping man is dreams." He strived to be the best and refused to settle for less. "Don't ever stop, just push until you hit the top, and if you try, atleast you know you gave your all, be true to you, and that way you can never fall ... be true to you, believe that there is no one bigger, cause they can all suck dick."




this mind set right here to me is whats misisng in hip-hop, too many rappers are just bout making there money, at least 2pac had the guts to speak on shit when it mattered. He was one of the most vocal rap figures in the game, simlar to a Malcom X in his speeches and his interviews. alot of people assume Pac was igorant and wasnt intelligent, you people need to STFU and go and rent 2pac:resuraction (spelt wrong I know). 2pac was on the verge of becoming one of hip-hops biggest poltical asset, its a damn shame that he got steared ( mostly by Suge) into the wrong path and didnt acomplish something bigger.


To me the GOAT is sum1 bigger then hip-hop and whether y'all have actaully done reserached on him and his music compared to toehr rappers (like I have done) I suggest you not speak on something just because. Gotta know your shit better then "he's overated, he this and that" give me facts people. I'll admit he wasnt the best at just flowing (Biggie had him on that) but he overal was the best.


Songs y'all should peep from his lps and unrelaesed material (he had lots and lots of songs):

1.Breandas Got a Baby
2.Trapped
3.If My Homies Call
4.Violent
5.Words of Wisedom
6.Holla If U hear me
7.Representing '93
8.Keep Yo Head Up
9.How Long will they Mourn Me
10.Str8 Ballin
11.Pur out a lil Liqour
12.If I die 2night
13.Me against the world
14.So Many Tears
15.Tempations
16.Death Round the Corner
17.Heavy in the Game (flow just as good as biggie)
18.It aint easy
19.Dear Mama
20.Can U Get Away
21.Old School
22.Ambitionz as a Rydah
23.Got My mind made up(flow just as good)
24.Hearts of Men (flow just as good)
25.Life Goes On
26.Only God Can Judge Me
27.Tradin War Stories
28.I aint mad at cha
29.Shorty Wanna be a Thug
30.Wonda Why They Call you bitch
31.Holla At me
32.Ratha be ya Nigga
33.Run the streets
34. Hevaen Aint hard to find
35. Hail MAry
36.Bomb First
37. 2 live and die in La
38.Blasphemy
39.Krazy
40.White Mans World
41.Hold Your HEad
42.Pain
43.Uncondtional Love


and more and more I just listed songs from the lps that HE had to worked on during his life span. So yep you goign come with this Pac this and that, you better come straped for a debate, but Ive said my peace carry on


your a damn fool if you trully believe this. it is a known fact that Pac supported his white fans there are even pictures with his white fan base and women fan base.He never said kill whitey or choke out a bitch in any of his raps. X never preeched kill whitey too, in his prime he's overal message was not to rely on the white man for help but to raise yourselevs up and if he punches you in the eye, instead of taking it or having your life treatned, defend yourself by any means neccasry. MLK was a great leader, but to diminish the actions of X just becasue of the sterotypes (like you are using with Pac) is flawed, I bet you havent read one detailed book about X have you just like you havent studyed or listened to Pac in detail (thus the reason you refuse to even peep the movie or any interviews by him). That right there is mad ignorant.


But the whole "pac is ignorant" shit really pisses me off cuz most y'all just going by what you see/read by the biased media. Anyone that has a clue would know he was very, very intelligent, but his human nature lead him to make some mistakes in his life. Are you going say that Bob Marley was any less then a legend just becasue he had numerous affiars and kids out of wedlock?Thats the same type of ignorance you speaking of.


Think you know everything about Tupac? Read these little known facts:

Tupac was offered a record contract at the age of 13. Afeni however refused to let him sign anything at such a young age. She felt he had a lot to learn about the world before joining the music industry.

Tupac intended for "R U Still Down?" to be released.

Before becoming famous Tupac was part of the local Baltimore TV news Special. The program, called "Saturday Night Specials," was on a type of gun. Tupac spoke with great knowledge on the guns, speaking on how they were poorly and cheaply made.

The video tape named "Tupac and Jada Home video" which appears on Tupac: Resurrection, was recorded at King's Dominion Amusement Park.

Tupac enjoyed various types of music artists, including Eric Clapton, Tracy Chapman, Jimi Hendrix and Muddy Waters. He is quoted as calling Tracy Chapman a "True Poet."

As a child, Tupac's friends often gave him clothes for Christmas and birthdays, because they were aware of the poverty in which he lived.

For a time Tupac lived with Linda Pratt, wife of Gernimo Pratt, in Marin City.

Tupac's favorite piece of music was from the play Les Miserables. He went to see the play with his then girlfriend Keisha Morris.

The first known Tupac song is titled "When Will You Learn", a song about gun violence dedicated to a friend of his who was killed on the block. The friends name was Darren Berret. It's been said that Tupac copied the "Not wearing any shirt" dress sense from him.

Tupac had a hand written rap on the wall of the Enoch Pratt Free library in Baltimore. It sat next to poetry by Edgar Allan Poe. (It has since been added to the vaults.)

Biggie used to call Tupac "Duke" while Tupac called him Christopher.

It was reported by Mike Dyson that the song "Vincent" by Don Maclean was played on repeat during Tupac's last hours.

According to Suge Knight, the song "Never Had A Friend Like Me" was about their relationship because Suge once told Tupac "Your Enemies my Enemies."

Johnny J told HitEmUp.com that the song Never Had a Friend Like Me was never completed as it was released in it's unmastered form.

The Tupac poem "Nothing can come between us," was written for his friend John Cole, whom Tupac nicknamed "White Boy John."

Tupac & Big Saccs both went looting together during the LA Riots. According to Sacc's, he and Tupac went straight from the studio to the hood and started looting.

Tupac turned up at a ball at the Baltimore School Of The Art's dressed as Shaka Zulu. His roommate and close friend John Cole dressed as his white slave. Tupac and John won the best costume award.

Herbie Lovebug, manger of "Salt-N-Peppa," was once asked by Tupac's group Born Busy to hear one of their raps. Herbie told them "Naw, I aint got time for this shit I gotta be on a plane in ten hours!" Years later when Tupac was at the opening of "Juice," Herbie approached him and expressed a desire to work with him. Tupac's reply wasn't one Herbie was looking for.

Tupac and Mouse (childhood friend) once battled 1980's rap group star DMX (from Just Ice not the Rough Ryders camp.)






The media always portrayed Tupac as a bad guy, in reality this is far from the case. You don't need to look any farther than songs like Brenda's Got a Baby and Dear Mama to know Tupac had a gentle side.
The CD cover to the Makaveli CD depicts Tupac on a cross. This was meant to show his crucification by the media. He said "the media wants to show is one side, which is distorted. That's a distorted view. If they would show the good things and the bad things, I would have no complaints, and it would even make them look better. When you just show me doing all this bad stuff, then people gonna just start thinking like 'Wait a minute, this dude can't be doing all this bad stuff.' I mean, come on. They don't show nothing else. So it's really helpin' me, cause it's making it look one-sided and untrue. I'm not gonna harp on everything that's unfair, cause life is unfair. Nobody said it's gonna be easy or fair."

In most of his songs despite violence, he's portraying the life style that exists. He had dreams of changing the world and making it a far better place. When the world lost Tupac they lost more than a rapper, they also lost all the good things he had planned for the community. In a world where there's people who are extremely rich, and extremely poor, there needs to be more people like Tupac. If the rich helped the ghetto's and lower class suburbs, the world would be a much better place.

Some little known facts about Tupac:

The parents of a dying boy wrote to Tupac telling him their kid's last wish was to meet him. Tupac flew to his side in Maryland, and after the boy died, he renamed his publishing company Joshua's Dream.

Tupac helped pass out 850 toys to kids at Foster Elementary School in Compton.

On Thanksgiving, Death Row paid for free food to be passed out on the block of a South Central L.A. community center at 11 a.m. Tupac helped pass out $400,000 worth of turkeys.

Tupac took the step daughter of a murdered friend to her prom.

Tupac went to the House of Blues and noticed there was nobody dancing with a woman in a wheelchair. He danced with her for four hours.

He planned on getting involved in politics. In an interview he stated "by the next election I promise I'm gonna be sittin' across from all the candidates. I bet you, I promise you I gonna be so far from where I am now in four years. God willing I'm alive. If so I guarantee you we will have our own political party. And it won't be just for black people, it's gonna be for Mexicans, for Americans, all you lost-tribe muthaf*ckas. It's gonna be for black people, it's gonna be for all medians. We need to have our own political party cause we all at the same motherf*ckin' problem. We built this nation and we get none of the benefits."

Tupac had set up a company called Euphanasia to develop movie projects and help finance such community-minded projects as a center for at-risk youth, inner-city sports teams, and a toll-free number through which troubled kids could reach him. He had Yaasmyn Fula come to L.A. to run it with Molly Monjouze. Yaasmyn tried to organize Tupac's business affairs, and Molly did his financing for an at risk youth center, the bankrolling of year round South Central sports teams, and the setting up of an 800 number that would allow kids to call him when they had a problem. He also had another company called 24/7, for his music and video work, the scripts he was writing. He also planned on doing free concerts for schools and the only way you could get in was to have at least a C average. He also wanted to start a little youth league in California, a Pop Warner League, except the rappers fund it and kids need at least a C average to play. He was also working on funding a chain of day care centers.

In many songs he mentions having a "plan", and says things like, plotting and planning a life of better things. I believe this is what he's referring to.


but I bet you still will say "pac was this, and that" which is cool, y'all wanna just believe what you want to believe thats aight, but at least put some damn thought into your arguments shit at least teach me something, like I am trying to do.



this reminds me I got in a discussion of hip-hop/rap again when get my hair braided on Sat....the shop ran by peeps from Africa but anyways this women was getting her shit done and was like "omg they got a statue of 2pac in Atlanta" like Paul Jones mentioned a while back I think (you know the one where Mickill was like its in g`miles room(the location)) but anyways so the two african women, from Africa, say that they love 2pac and know all his music, now many might be like is this bout 2pac not just him but the music too that they said to me that when he died so many people in Africa cried that day that "it was the same as when Bob Marely died" and they had lil processions for him that whole week which just shows, to me, not only his impact but Rap Music's potential imapct on the whole world as well. Just was intresting...as the black lady who was getting her hair braided said "I dont like rap, nevere have but 2pac he was just so real to me, and you could UNDERSTAND what he was rapping about" just showign that even those who dont like the msuic can at least recognize some good from it





the funny thing is this: most of the people making statements in this thread are refering to the idoits who are 2pac fans. the people who think he is jesus. First off I consider myself a Pac fan, but I dont go around saying thug life or anything, for god sakes I live with a majority of white people. There hasnt even been one mention, not one single mention, about the postive impact he has had on alot of fans. Like I said to the majority white class I am in "I take his strengths, but I dont mimick his weaknesses". 2pac isnt the reason these fans are acting stupid, the fans are the reason they acting stupid. You can't blame one man for people who dont have no sense at all.

He contridicated himself sereval times but the fact is he always explained the reasons for this, after all you can not just talk to ONE specific group of people when you are trying to be a big rap star. Nas tried it, Jay-Z has done it even your own Beastie Boys have switched their styles to reach other audiences. The topics might be diffrent, but contridiction is contridiction (like Im going take a group trying to be seriously politcal when they made a song called You got to fight for your right to party??). That right there is just an example of how rappers do it.



The fact is most the people who comparing him to Malcolm X are in the black community so its funny that members that are outside of it with maybe only a little knowledge of X are trying to say that comparison is not true. 2pac had potential to be the next X. The appeal of X was this: that he came from the hood, went to jail and some how,Against All Odds, made it on top untill someone decided to silence him before he made the next step (which he was bout to do after leaving the Nation). 2pac was the same way, and both were mislead by the people they felt were their saviors (Elijah Muhammad and Suge Knight). He was someone who was a loud voice in the game for minorites (Dan Quayle knew it, Bush OG knew it etc.) but didnt get a chance to do that. It's funny to me that people keep on trying to say that this man wasnt a special artist, no one artist in the history of the game has had this much anazlyes done on him by EVERY race pretty much.


And on another note the beef wasnt petty...there was more shit involved with that then most of the people outside of the hood would ever know. That shit was real....and both Pac and even Biggie knew.


I'd go to war to argue bout Pac, I am not saying that he was the Greatest man in the world, but compared to the other Mc's people being hyping on this place where I can hardly take any of you seriously(since most of the time your joking)....then whatever, Im not looking for beef, I'm just saying its hard to make such bold statements without knowing all you can about him....and I'm pretty sure I know alot more then most about Pac on here.

[roosta]

g-mile, you can't defend his two-faced approached to music. theres one thing changing styles, theres another thing to say COMPLETELY polar sentiments on one album.

He's M.O.A.T

Most Overated of All Time.

[cosmo105]

kurt cobain

*runs, runs away very fast*
i was going to say the same damn thing. running away and everything! i hate nirvana.

[mp-seventythree]

Don't get me started on Kurt Cobain

[roosta]

yay, i have some support....

[mp-seventythree]

Two words:

Smack Head

[mickill]

Cobain was more of a legitimate artist than Morrison. Jim Morrison is basically the predecessor to Scott Stapp from Creed. Ok, that was a joke.

Anyway, g-mile, I started listening to Pac when he debuted on Digital underground's Same Song. I copped his albums as they were released. I didn't play catch-up later. I saw the "evolution" in real time, I was a fan. I'm not talking out of my ass here. I like him, but I also know he contradicted himself a lot. He wasn't expanding and growing as an artist, he was just jumping back and forth between personalities.

I mean, look at what Thug Life stands for: The Hate U Give Little
Infants Fucks Everybody. That's basically the stupidest and most retarded acronym ever. Pac didn't have a direction, he wasn't an organized thinker, he was all over the place. Don't get gassed into believing that there was some great plan. He was just a rapper with a lot of charisma. He knew how to appeal to different people. He had talent. But he wasn't about to be the next Malcom X. Maybe the next Huey P. Newton. If that. Seriously.

[Qdrop]

sometimes, mickill just smacks it out tha park...

this is one of those times.



but of course...there's no room left on his jock.

[cosmo105]

only not at all.

[mp-seventythree]

It's like cosmo and I are twins.

Perhaps not identical twins though

[roosta]

triplets, it seems

[Qdrop]

okay...back to 2pac...

[SobaViolence]

fuck that guy.

[synch]

Necrophile.

[Qdrop]

BWWWAAHAHAHHHAHA!!

[SobaViolence]

homonecrophilia...tasty.


i'm gonna go have sex with a toasted bagel, now.

[synch]

Plus you told someone else to do so.

That would technically make you a voyeuristic homonecrophile.

Pervert.

[mickill]

Since we're just talking about having sex with dead rappers now, I might as well touch on how rappers these days are completely without class when it comes to drinking. Again, I blame 2Pac. In the 80s rappers talked about drinking Moët and whatever, but they didn't completely bastardize it. Pac started this current trend of drinking unintelligently with his penchant for drinking "Thug's Passion". Seriouisly, wtf? Who's going to mix equal parts of $200 a bottle champagne with $30 a bottle flavored cognac? That's just tacky. And now, you have 50 Cent instructing you to "mix a lil' Cris with a little Dom Perignon". Yeah, let's mix two different champagnes with their own distinct tastes together and maybe throw some ice in there to keep it cold.

[synch]

Y'all drink forties, and I drink milk

[apparatus]

g-mile gets an award for the biggest fucking overkill, counterproductive response i've ever seen on a message board.

i don't know jack about 2pac though so no comment.

[TAL]

Make that quadruplets.

[g-mile7]

g-mile gets an award for the biggest fucking overkill, counterproductive response i've ever seen on a message board.

i don't know jack about 2pac though so no comment.



your a waste of time and space newbie....so kiss off muthafucka'.....better overkill then let them breath

[g-mile7]

Since we're just talking about having sex with dead rappers now, I might as well touch on how rappers these days are completely without class when it comes to drinking. Again, I blame 2Pac. In the 80s rappers talked about drinking Moët and whatever, but they didn't completely bastardize it. Pac started this current trend of drinking unintelligently with his penchant for drinking "Thug's Passion". Seriouisly, wtf? Who's going to mix equal parts of $200 a bottle champagne with $30 a bottle flavored cognac? That's just tacky. And now, you have 50 Cent instructing you to "mix a lil' Cris with a little Dom Perignon". Yeah, let's mix two different champagnes with their own distinct tastes together and maybe throw some ice in there to keep it cold.



ok then....funny how its so easy to pass judgements on people...I said my peace the reason I posted such a big post was I dont feel like making numerous small post, better to get it all out....besides 2pac can't reach those who really have no idea about how he came out or relate too. The people that dig his music relate to him someway somehow....he's not overated, just to people who have diffrent taste and can't relate.

[roosta]

you still havn't justified the total contradictions that came out of his mouth...

[g-mile7]

you still havn't justified the total contradictions that came out of his mouth...



there is no justification other then he was speaking to more then one audience....difffent people want to hear diffrent things that the key to being versatile....besides 2pac never did try and make people think he was a saint so why should he abide by those standards.We're all human, everyone contridicts themselves I see it every day I log in on here.

[synch]

I think that's the complaint, that he gave audiences what they wanted to hear instead of doing his thing.

[roosta]

there is no justification other then he was speaking to more then one audience....difffent people want to hear diffrent things that the key to being versatile....besides 2pac never did try and make people think he was a saint so why should he abide by those standards.We're all human, everyone contridicts themselves I see it every day I log in on here.

so whilst he went on about how the blackman needs to respect his women, clean up his act etc. ........he then went and made sexist, violent songs?

you don't see the problem? for me, it undermines his message. contradicting day to day is one thing, making a career on it AND trying to make out like you were saying something profound is another.

[mickill]

ok then....funny how its so easy to pass judgements on people...I said my peace the reason I posted such a big post was I dont feel like making numerous small post, better to get it all out....besides 2pac can't reach those who really have no idea about how he came out or relate too. The people that dig his music relate to him someway somehow....he's not overated, just to people who have diffrent taste and can't relate.
I don't really see what this has to do with moronic beverage mixtures.

[ericlee]

if he was such and influence to these fucks then maybe they will follow the leader and get capped just like he did. Problem solved

[Qdrop]

isn't it only fair to foucs these same attacks on the majority of other rappers though?
you're focusing on 2pac because of the media attention he has garnerned in the past 10 years...but that's not really his doing.

[mickill]

isn't it only fair to foucs these same attacks on the majority of other rappers though?
you're focusing on 2pac because of the media attention he has garnerned in the past 10 years...but that's not really his doing.
He was the cause, they're the effects.

[Qdrop]

He was the cause, they're the effects.

so you're giving 2pac the credit of inventing the gangster rap media magnet? that others have since copied?
he's the template?

[mickill]

so you're giving 2pac the credit of inventing the gangster rap media magnet? that others have since copied?
he's the template?
Yes, more or less. I believe I already said that.

[Qdrop]

Yes, more or less. I believe I already said that.

yeah, but i like to make you repeat yourself.

hmm....
so you think 2pac was really in control of what was happening around him?
you think him really that media crafty? to the level of say....Madonna?

i don't.

[mickill]

yeah, but i like to make you repeat yourself.

hmm....
so you think 2pac was really in control of what was happening around him?
you think him really that media crafty? to the level of say....Madonna?

i don't.
I think he knew how to manipulate the media. He started it back when he got shot the first time. In an interview with Vibe, he kept saying that it was probably going to be his last interview. He tried to insinuate that he was set up by people he trusted, to sort of make it more interesting, more dramatic. And the day after he got shot, he showed up for his rape trial in a wheelchair. There's a popular picture of him on a gurney, being wheeled into an ambulance where he's giving the camera the finger. It was all pretty calculated. He created an image. He talked about getting shot like he was hit with shots from something other than a low calibre pistol. He was proud. I mean, the bullets barely penetrated his skull at point blank range. I don't know, I'm just saying, he played it up a lot.

[WHUFC]

now, i'd like to think hendrix would have more class than that. i think he'd be doing porn.

WAIT HENDRIX ISNT DEAD! HE'S LONG DONG SILVER!

[K-nowledge]

He created an image alright. And look where it got him.
The most overrated rapper ever.

[WHUFC]

It wasnt just 2pac that produced people like jackass it was also drugs! lots and lots of drugs!

[Kid Presentable]

Just another dead rapper. :(

[steve-onpoint]

Sounds like "The Black Elvis" to me.

Flying saucers, spaceships move at warp speed
Mtv level three when I fly on bet
Livin’ astro, tell me how you feel
One two, one two

Movin roughly, straight to the desert, san antonio
I talk swift the rock king black romeo

[steve-onpoint]

hmm....
so you think 2pac was really in control of what was happening around him?


I'm beginning to believe I create what is going on around me. Maybe I'm reading too much.

[g-mile7]

so whilst he went on about how the blackman needs to respect his women, clean up his act etc. ........he then went and made sexist, violent songs?

you don't see the problem? for me, it undermines his message. contradicting day to day is one thing, making a career on it AND trying to make out like you were saying something profound is another.



he never talked bout "killing a bitch"....you cant say he was talking about all women deserving respect. Some women act just like he talks bout on his record he never said that all of them did though.






I dont really remember him saying that was his only message, if anything the only thing I remember him saying is this that he was showing the life he didnt want people to live, he said he was the example....people given 2pac all this credit in this thread for doing this doing that, but in the end of the day obviosuly he succeded cause the majority of you, no matter what you think of him, have been impacted (either negative or postive) enough to draw attention to him....saying he responible for the result of idoits who follow him is flawed, we rathers well blame Elvis then, for he is the reason now it is alright for white people to listen and perform black music(thus the result of wiggers)....if we're going to use the same logic going on in this thread.



the funny thing is that the colleges researching him are mainly ran by whites with advanced degrees, I think they know (as well as his actual legit fans) a little bit more on the importance he has then some of the people on a message board



and it's even harder to make judgements for the fact that he was african-american and sadly alot of the people on here are not, what I mean by that is this: he was the voice for the ghetto minded people in the hood, to get them to listen of course he has to show that he is still one them (similar to X in this sense) by making the dummbed down songs but after he shows them that he is one of them thats when he can start to change. We also must keep in mind that it was not just his decision to make those type of songs, it was dictated by the record companies (mainly the songs you discuss he recorded in his Death Row days which he is most known for) which want to make money, and to get a voice in the industry and change it you first must abide by the rules. It's a known fact that alot of songs such as Unconditional Love and Better Days Suge did not want Pac to release (thus the rumor that he was ready to leave DR after Makaveli which was a 180 over All Eyez On Me)

[g-mile7]

I think he knew how to manipulate the media. He started it back when he got shot the first time. In an interview with Vibe, he kept saying that it was probably going to be his last interview. He tried to insinuate that he was set up by people he trusted, to sort of make it more interesting, more dramatic. And the day after he got shot, he showed up for his rape trial in a wheelchair. There's a popular picture of him on a gurney, being wheeled into an ambulance where he's giving the camera the finger. It was all pretty calculated. He created an image. He talked about getting shot like he was hit with shots from something other than a low calibre pistol. He was proud. I mean, the bullets barely penetrated his skull at point blank range. I don't know, I'm just saying, he played it up a lot.


then the media should be blamed more then 2pac if thats the case.



he used it to his advantge but if you knew more bout the story you would know that the whole shooting was deeper then just him getting robbed and saying "fuck the world". There are reports that he recieved phone calls, at the hospital he was in, with "you aint dead yet, we're going to finish the job" forcing him to relocate to a diffrent hospital. 5 shots, no matter what kind og gun, is pretty bad.

[skinnybutphat]

Having graduated with a Masters degree in Tupacology from Cornell, and being that I was quite the thug back in the day, I can say unequivocally that The Legend of Tupac is one of the biggest turds our society has ever laid.

[g-mile7]

Having graduated with a Masters degree in Tupacology from Cornell, and being that I was quite the thug back in the day, I can say unequivocally that The Legend of Tupac is one of the biggest turds our society has ever laid.



nice to know they have those....guess that degree was a waste of time for you then, did they refund your money I know diapers arent too cheap
























I'm joking' and yet another post proving the validity of people's opinions on this board

[skinnybutphat]

I used to love The Simpson's, love them. Should a now semi-funny cartoon have college curriculum dedicated to it? No. Should Tupac? No.

I'm sure you have seen the video of Tupac and his Death Row cronies counting all those hundreds, with a cigar hanging out of his mouth shortly after he was bailed out of jail. Was that the time he was in jail for rape? I have never had any use for Tupac, and never will.