Name That Racism...or...That's My Racism!

[Nuzzolese]

Let's take turns finding the racism. One person describe something you've seen or experienced out there in the world, and the next few people can help you figure out if you or the party in question are guilty of racism. I'll just say right now that whatever it was, we can find the hate.

First issue is The Lord of The Rings trilogy as executed by Peter Jackson.

[Qdrop]

Lord of the Rings was great.
fantastic re-telling...with top-notch production.



^there, find something racism in that...cracker.

[ToucanSpam]

Production teams consist of largely white people. Oops, that's racist!



Wilt Chamberlain could jump high.

[Tone Capone]

SECOND ISSUE:

Andrea Yates, the Houston woman convicted of drowning her five children in a bathtub, to get new trial... :confused:

[roosta]

what do we do?

[Nuzzolese]

you just, don't get it, no wonder you loved it so much . You don't see the stereotypes and the segregation and the class distinctions and what they're based on.

[mickill]

As far as LOTR goes, I don't like how the Uruks were made to look like angry black people of extremely low intelligence and somewhat violent temperment, while the elvin folks were all white and oh so smart and classy and whatever.

[Nuzzolese]

As far as LOTR goes, I don't like how the Uruks were made to look like angry black people of extremely low intelligence and somewhat violent temperment, while the elvin folks were all white and oh so smart and classy and whatever.

Orks, Uruk-hai (sp?) A race of slaves, bred specifically for servitude under the white hand of Sarumon. The highest rank of wizard is what? Gandalf the WHITE.

[Nuzzolese]

SECOND ISSUE:

Andrea Yates, the Houston woman convicted of drowning her five children in a bathtub, to get new trial... :confused:

I'm not that familiar with this case.

[ToucanSpam]

All the men of Middle Earth are white.

[Qdrop]

you just, don't get it, no wonder you loved it so much . You don't see the stereotypes and the segregation and the class distinctions and what they're based on.
oh i see....
you want us to FIND racism in Lord of the Rings?

[Qdrop]

yeah....there wasn't one black dude in that whole movie,huh?

nor asian or latino.

aparently they were replaced by orks and shit...

[Nuzzolese]

oh i see....
you want us to FIND racism in Lord of the Rings?

I think you should sit this one out. Splash some gatorade in your face and we'll stop back around to pick you up on the next one.

[Knuckles]

The highest rank of wizard is what? Gandalf the WHITE.


Well, at least it's not homophobic. Gandalf is totally gay.

[Tone Capone]

I'm not that familiar with this case.

hmmm... (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/11/09/yates.newtrial.ap/index.html)

[ToucanSpam]

The Hobbits we forced into a 'reserve' in the far corner of Middle Earth..likely driven off their land by greedy Men who threw blankets of smallpox on them.

[roosta]

wasn't that one army of evil humans supposed to look arabic/muslim? the dudes who march through the forest when the little fuckers are hiding in the trees?

[Nuzzolese]

Oh and what about those Gatorade commercials where the gatorade is the only colored aspect of the commercial and it's all beaded up on the surface of their skin, like indicating their color and how that somehow makes them good at sports and sweaty and nasty and sensual like so many ethnic types have been debased to being seen as, then followed up with the rhetorical question "Is it In You?" like wondering what drops of color you have, as if that matters somehow??!

[Bob]

yeah....there wasn't one black dude in that whole movie,huh?

nor asian or latino.

aparently they were replaced by orks and shit...

not true! the easterlings and southrons (i forget their real names, but you know, the desert people) were definitely black or at least arabic.

of course, they were evil too (edit: yeah, what roosta said)

the gandalf the white, the white tree of gondor, the white city...versus the black gate, the black riders, and so on

good=white
evil=black

i'm reluctant to accuse tolkien of being racist though. maybe he just really liked chess

[Nuzzolese]

Black people love playing chess, what does that mean?

[Qdrop]

I think you should sit this one out. Splash some gatorade in your face and we'll stop back around to pick you up on the next one.

what?
i'm doing what everyone else is doing now...
and you don't have a problem with their posts.

that's prejudice.
that's...umm...

you're a bigot.

[ToucanSpam]

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1024842&postcount=614

[Nuzzolese]

Jessica Simpson is racist. Explain.

[Qdrop]

Black people love playing chess, what does that mean?

??
what highschool did you go to?

[ToucanSpam]

What about the treatment of Gollum?


Just because he's a mutant river folk doesn't mean he can't be trusted.

[Bob]

what?
i'm doing what everyone else is doing now...
and you don't have a problem with their posts.

that's prejudice.
that's...umm...

you're a bigot.

nuzz, don't be such a qdroppist

qdrops have been discriminated against for far too long

[Knuckles]

Jessica Simpson is racist. Explain.
She only has extra marital affairs with stupid white guys?

[Nuzzolese]

??
what highschool did you go to?

A very racist one. Everyone liked hunting and the Grateful Dead and tie dye, and worshipped that whole 1960s hypocritical movement that claimed to be for equality and free love but was really only designed to cater to middle class white college students. My senior flower was the daisy, our senior song was by The Doors and our yearbook was tie dyed and you could find at least 10 different pictures of guys in camo holding crossbows. Ted Nugent High School.

[Nuzzolese]

She only has extra marital affairs with stupid white guys?

And she's way too blonde, she's a southerner, and she played Daisy Duke...

[Qdrop]

A very racist one. Everyone liked hunting and the Grateful Dead and tie dye, and worshipped that whole 1960s hypocritical movement that claimed to be for equality and free love but was really only designed to cater to middle class white college students. My senior flower was the daisy, our senior song was by The Doors and our yearbook was tie dyed and you could find at least 10 different pictures of guys in camo holding crossbows. Ted Nugent High School.
classist.

you disgust me.

[Nuzzolese]

nuzz, don't be such a qdroppist

qdrops have been discriminated against for far too long

I base my assumptions on the facts and surveys and statistics done on Qdrops. I've seen the graphs, both pie and bar, I've seen the power point presentations, the post counts, the grammar mistakes, the choppy quote-reply-quote style posting. It all adds up.

[bigblu89]

This reminds me of the beginning of Chasing Amy.

Now Vader, he's a spiritual bother, with the force and all that shit. Then this cracker skywalker gets his hands on a light saber, and the boy decides he's gonna run the fuckin universe. Gets a whole claan of whites together, and they're gonna bust up vaders hood--the death star. Now what the fuck do you call that?

Intergalactic civil war?

GENTRIFICATION!

[Qdrop]

And she's way too blonde, she's a southerner, and she played Daisy Duke...

yeah, all southerners are racist.

wait, does that make me a regionalist?

[Qdrop]

I base my assumptions on the facts and surveys and statistics done on Qdrops. I've seen the graphs, both pie and bar, I've seen the power point presentations, the post counts, the grammar mistakes, the choppy quote-reply-quote style posting. It all adds up.

those studies were biased and the numbers were fudged.
i blame the republicans.

[ToucanSpam]

I blame your mom.

[mickill]

Jessica Simpson is racist. Explain.

Apart from the fact that her character is known for riding around with a couple of hicks in an orange car with no doors, which is about as hillbilly as you can get, the car also happens to have a giant confederate flag painted on its roof. If that doesn't pretty much make it the ultimate Klan ride, I don't know what is.

[Qdrop]

but jessica simpson is hot, so she can't be racist.


i read that somewhere.

[Nuzzolese]

Catherine Bach, the actress who played Daisy Duke on the original Dukes of Hazzard series, was half Mexican. Jessica Simpson of course is pure white bread. She whitened up the role and tarnished it by being more slutty. She also stole and tarnished the Nancy Sinatra hit single "These boots were made for walking" and as you know, Sinatra was Italian. So Jessica Simpson, the stupid little white Texas broad, steals from the minorities and profits from them.

[Nuzzolese]

Those smilies we get to use to add emotion to our posts, those are really racist. Why iare so many of them Blue? Are those some kind of charicatures of Indians?

[mickill]

You'll notice that the asian smilie (the yellow one) has a real stupid know-it-all look on its face.

[abcdefz]

This isn't exactly racism (more like bigotry or discrimination, I guess), but...


Stephen Hawking will be in town (lecturing? Pre-recorded lecture?). This reminded me that a pretty good-looking lady (if I recall correctly) married him a few years back.

I'm sorry, but I can't help but think: why? Why would a woman marry this guy? I love people's brains and all that, too, but.... who would sign on to be this guy's caretaker, and what sort of pleasure could she ever get from him? Presumably, there's no sex; they'[ll never go for a sudden romp in the park; he'll never help out with the gardening, etc. etc. I just don't get it.

Yes, I can be an ass, but I just can't fathom anyone but God loving this guy that unselfishly.

[Nuzzolese]

Why is the thumbs down red? The same color as the angry Native American face.

[abcdefz]

Why is the thumbs down red? The same color as the angry Native American face.



All the blood is rushing to its. Head.

[mickill]

Why is the thumbs down red? The same color as the angry Native American face.
Hey, dammit, I was gonna say that.

But seriously, I think the blue ones are supposed to be black people. So let's see here, we have a confused one that doesn't know what's happening, some dude in shades doing the Diddy thing, some flirty ass wannabe pimp, one making some a "whateva bitch" face and some sambo looking character. Wtf?

[abcdefz]

That's the midachlorians talking.

[K-nowledge]

This whole thread is racist.

[Nuzzolese]

Hey, dammit, I was gonna say that.

But seriously, I think the blue ones are supposed to be black people. So let's see here, we have a confused one that doesn't know what's happening, some dude in shades doing the Diddy thing, some flirty ass wannabe pimp, one making some a "whateva bitch" face and some sambo looking character. Wtf?

ha! <3
A Bunch of clowns.

[Qdrop]

Jessica Simpson of course is pure white bread.

yeah, but she vacations alot in the Carribean...so that counts for something.

i hear she tips the natives very well when they bring her raspberry vodka twisters by the poolside.

she loves those cooky carribean waiters.

[Bob]

:) don't brame me! i stub my toe! :)

[mickill]

yeah, but she vacations alot in the Carribean...so that counts for something.

i hear she tips the natives very well when they bring her raspberry vodka twisters by the poolside.

she loves those cooky carribean waiters.
And who do you think picks the raspberries they use for the concentrate they put in those vodka twisters? That's right, Mexicans. That's who. What has Jessica Simpson ever done for them? I heard she's even turned down endorsement deals for Taco Bell, which happens to be owned by Pepsi, whom Britney Spears has had endoresment deals with in the past. Is it about her disgust for her rival Britney or her ambivalence towards supporting the Mexican economy?

[hpdrifter]

Italians are a minority? Where's my affirmative action, bitches?

[Qdrop]

And who do you think picks the raspberries they use for the concentrate they put in those vodka twisters? That's right, Mexicans. That's who. What has Jessica Simpson ever done for them? I heard she's even turned down endorsement deals for Taco Bell, which happens to be owned by Pepsi, whom Britney Spears has had endoresment deals with in the past. Is it about her disgust for her rival Britney or her ambivalence towards supporting the Mexican economy?

EXCUSE ME...but i've heard that Jessica just happens to LOVE tequila...and she thinks those little sombraros look so cute on her.
so...
yeah.


and there have been many reports of her being very pleasant with the carribean "help" while on vacation.
she often comments on how "cute" thier hair is with all those braids...and then usually comments on how she wishes HER hair was all kinky like that...

..then she asks for a foot massage.

[fucktopgirl]

EXCUSE ME...but i've heard that Jessica just happens to LOVE tequila...and she thinks those little sombraros look so cute on her.
so...
yeah.


and there have been many reports of her being very pleasant with the carribean "help" while on vacation.
she often comments on how "cute" thier hair is with all those braids...and then usually comments on how she wishes HER hair was all kinky like that...

..then she asks for a foot massage.


hum you love jessica,dont you? :D

[Nuzzolese]

Italians are a minority? Where's my affirmative action, bitches?

Southern Italians are most likely partly African. Seriously, there've been... studies. Studies.

[ToucanSpam]

There's a direct link between the 'Amazons' and the Mongolians. Studies.......

[hpdrifter]

Yeah, I heard something about that on Howard Stern yesterday.

I'm Sicilian, I guess that explains my mad rhythm, read: the ability to use slang without sounding like a tool (mickill).

[Echewta]

The more we mix, the better we will be. Muts live longer and healthier lives, in general.

[mickill]

EXCUSE ME...but i've heard that Jessica just happens to LOVE tequila...and she thinks those little sombraros look so cute on her.
so...
yeah.


And who do you think picks the little worms for the tequila? You guessed it, poor little Mexican kids.

And who makes the sombreros you see in the gift shops? Bingo! Poor little Chinese kids.

[ToucanSpam]

Muts live longer and healthier lives, in general.


You tell that to my puppy. :( :( :(

[mickill]

I'm Sicilian, I guess that explains my mad rhythm, read: the ability to use slang without sounding like a tool (mickill).
Yes, but that's because you don't need to use slang to sound like a tool.

[cosmo105]

my name is Jessica, and Jessica Simpson is a negative role model and a bad representative for Jessicas everywhere. please join me in the Fight Against Greater Subordination in order to regain the respect and honor the name Jessica once held.

[ToucanSpam]

God I hate that name so very much..........

Between Jessica Simpson and an ex, that's enough to make me hate that name.....

[cosmo105]

yeah, i hate my name. i always wanted it to be something different. i usually go by Jess.

[ToucanSpam]

You could always change your name to Cosmo..







...

[Nuzzolese]

I would have loved to be a Jessica when I was a kid, a tan half mexican named Jessica. Who taught me to hate the color of my skin? Who taught me to hate my name?!

[hpdrifter]

I think Jessica is a beautiful name.

(Pointless post but I'm trying to up my post count, support me.)

[hpdrifter]

Yes, but that's because you don't need to use slang to sound like a tool.

Oh snap!

[ToucanSpam]

I think Jessica is a beautiful name.

(Pointless post but I'm trying to up my post count, support me.)
Why would say that? It takes away from the compliment you just gave?


Geeeeeeez Louise...



...Louise.....that's a nice name.

[Qdrop]

I would have loved to be a Jessica when I was a kid, a tan half mexican named Jessica. Who taught me to hate the color of my skin? Who taught me to hate my name?!

umm...the black man?
the southern New Guinie's?

no wait...

i guess the white man did...

[cosmo105]

I would have loved to be a Jessica when I was a kid, a tan half mexican named Jessica. Who taught me to hate the color of my skin? Who taught me to hate my name?!
it's kind of a family name. my grandma on my dad's side's name was Maria de Jesus, or Jesusita, which is what Jessica translates to...her husband, of course, was named Jesus, which was anglicized to Jess, and they named my dad Jess...so i was destined to be Jessica. i always wished it was something more unique, like Celeste, or Genevieve or Victoria (unfortunately someone ruined THAT name for me). there was always at least one more Jessica in every class at school :(

[Echewta]

Where the white women at?

[hpdrifter]

My gramma's name is Virginia Genvieve. I always thought that was pretty.

[ToucanSpam]

I have a friend named Genivieve (spelling).

The best name ever though is Rebecca.

[Qdrop]

Where the white women at?

mexico.

[fucktopgirl]

it's kind of a family name. my grandma on my dad's side's name was Maria de Jesus, or Jesusita, which is what Jessica translates to...her husband, of course, was named Jesus, which was anglicized to Jess, and they named my dad Jess...so i was destined to be Jessica. i always wished it was something more unique, like Celeste, or Genevieve or Victoria (unfortunately someone ruined THAT name for me). there was always at least one more Jessica in every class at school :(

see it the other way around,my name was so unfamiliar,i was like alienbut now i really appreciate.i think in my life i come across 2 others Amiel,,and we celebrate it,drink beer

[mickill]

Mick Jagger shared a couple of his own observations about women of various races on the Stones song Some Girls:


French girls they want Cartier, Italian girls want cars
American girls want everything in the world you can possibly imagine

English girls they're so prissy, I can't stand them on the telephone
Sometimes I take the receiver off the hook, I don't want them to ever call at all

White girls they're pretty funny, sometimes they drive me mad
Black girls just wanna get fucked all night, I just don't have that much jam

Chinese girls are so gentle, they're really such a tease
You never know quite what they're cookin', inside those silky sleeves


But seriously, some white girls aren't really that funny. I mean, c'mon. That offends me.

[fucktopgirl]

and i am a french girl and dont give a "shit" about cartier
so its all lies

[hpdrifter]

But seriously, some white girls aren't really that funny. I mean, c'mon. That offends me.

Some Wilmer Valderamma-lookin guys aren't funny either.

[mickill]

Some Wilmer Valderamma-lookin guys aren't funny either.
Well, technically, you're not even a guy. Technically.

[hpdrifter]

Well, technically, you're not even a guy. Technically.

I take that back. You are on today. ON!!!

*high fives mickill while grunting*

[mickill]

You say that like it's so friggin' rare or something. High five my ass, man.

[DroppinScience]

Italians are a minority? Where's my affirmative action, bitches?

100 years ago, perhaps. But now, the Italians have joined the white people. Congrats!

[Nuzzolese]

Threadless is racist.

[mickill]

I agree. Threadless is indeed racist.


And Cheers never had anything but white patrons. Sup wit dat?

[Nuzzolese]

Bars and the beer industry in general are pretty racist. All the best beers are marketed to white men with references to predominantly caucasian Canada, Ireland, the Midwest US....Austria, Germany - um, hello, Nazis?!

[mickill]

Bars and the beer industry in general are pretty racist. All the best beers are marketed to white men with references to predominantly caucasian Canada, Ireland, the Midwest US....Austria, Germany - um, hello, Nazis?!
But not malt liquor. Nooooo, it's cool to let the black people have the calorific and dangerously high in carbs beers.

[Nuzzolese]

CVS puts padlocks on the afro-sheen. What's that about??

[CrankItUp!]

so does Walgreens. (lb)

[Bob]

CVS puts padlocks on the afro-sheen. What's that about??

they tried putting them on the latino hair products too but they kept picking the locks :confused:

am i allowed to make jokes like that? i'm no carlos mencia, but...

[g-mile7]

CVS puts padlocks on the afro-sheen. What's that about??


Didn't even know they STILL sold afro-sheen...pardon my non-knowing.

[Nuzzolese]

(re: BOB MENCIA)

Oh that's right. He said it!

[Nuzzolese]

K-mart's new color scheme is green not red. Favors Irish over lustful hot blooded savages. Supitdat?

[enree erzweglle]

I don't even think my Rite-Aid sells afrosheen. What's that saying.

I read an article recently that said that Wal*Mart loses billions of dollars annually to theft and that one of the items that's stolen the most is Preparation H. Totally unrelated to this thread but.

[Nuzzolese]

Models are stealing it for their puffy undereye circles, can't get enough of "The H"

Rolaids mocks people in wheelchairs who have AIDS, who get no effective "relief" from it.

[g-mile7]

I don't even think my Rite-Aid sells afrosheen. What's that saying.

I read an article recently that said that Wal*Mart loses billions of dollars annually to theft and that one of the items that's stolen the most is Preparation H. Totally unrelated to this thread but.



wow....they must use it to make some sort of drug

[Nuzzolese]

they must use it to make some sort of drug

Who, the black people?

[g-mile7]

Who, the black people?



HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA no.






the people who steal it.

[Bob]

Who, the black people?

that's my racism!

[Nuzzolese]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA no.






the people who steal it.

I thought those were the same?

[g-mile7]

I thought those were the same?



your real cute....your satire just makes us black people who steal the H since are anal veins are so swole just smile:D no really. Never change.

[Nuzzolese]

Never change.

White people never do.

[Bob]

White people never do.

we fear it, actually

i haven't had an oil change in over a year

you don't wanna know about my underwear

honk honk

[g-mile7]

we fear it, actually

i haven't had an oil change in over a year

you don't wanna know about my underwear

honk honk


DO DO STAINS?:(

[Bob]

they're so old that by now they're done done!

honk honk

[g-mile7]

DRUM ROLL PLEASE...and maybe some new underwear for him too:(

[monkey]

i love it when white people try to own racism. cause they experience it all the time.

[TurdBerglar]

i've only been called racist by white people


just something i wanted to say. kinda funny i think

[Nuzzolese]

i love it when white people try to own racism. cause they experience it all the time.

How do they try to own it?

Can some people own it more than others? Is there a successive line of racist ownership that corrolates with skin tone? Or is it more connected to nationality? Or is it heavily dependent on what generation you are in a country? In what order of ownership (of racism) would you list; a pakistani american, a tunisian french citizen, an african american, an italian american and a puerto rican american fall into?

[Bob]

i've only been called racist by white people


just something i wanted to say. kinda funny i think

it's never happened to me, but i hear cashiers get it a lot. if a black/latino/asian/martian customer is having a problem with a white cashier, it's instantly "YOU PREJ'DICED".

if someone did that to me, i'd probably kick them out of the store. that's fucked up. save the racism card for when there's actually racism going on. it's like crying wolf, or something, i dunno. it cheapens the accusation if you use it willy-nilly, which is bad, because racism is actually a problem

[monkey]

How do they try to own it?

Can some people own it more than others? Is there a successive line of racist ownership that corrolates with skin tone? Or is it more connected to nationality? Or is it heavily dependent on what generation you are in a country? In what order of ownership (of racism) would you list; a pakistani american, a tunisian french citizen, an african american, an italian american and a puerto rican american fall into?

have you ever experienced it? has anyone looked down upon you for your skin color? have you ever been denied a job you were over-qualified for because you looked like an undocumented individual in an age that being undocumented is corrolated with being basically worthless unless you want to mow a lawn?

[Qdrop]

that's fucked up. save the racism card for when there's actually racism going on. it's like crying wolf, or something, i dunno. it cheapens the accusation if you use it willy-nilly, [...].

[Qdrop]

have you ever experienced it? has anyone looked down upon you for your skin color? have you ever been denied a job you were over-qualified for because you looked like an undocumented individual in an age that being undocumented is corrolated with being basically worthless unless you want to mow a lawn?

have you?

[monkey]

yes

[Qdrop]

yes

please, in detail, tell the story of how a slighty italian/mediteranian-looking girl from NYC (with no accent i assume) experienced racism.

please tell us about the sorrow you carry on your shoulders...

[monkey]

im chilean, born and raised. and i dont owe you any sorrow stories.

[Qdrop]

im chilean, born and raised. and i dont owe you any sorrow stories.

thick accent?

otherwise, you look about as white-american as most of my neighbors.

[g-mile7]

have you ever experienced it? has anyone looked down upon you for your skin color? have you ever been denied a job you were over-qualified for because you looked like an undocumented individual in an age that being undocumented is corrolated with being basically worthless unless you want to mow a lawn?


thank you, maybe if these people hear it from you it will caryy more weight (since they seem to respect you more on this board, least the jackasses anyway).

[enree erzweglle]

My kid's dad was born in another country and you can tell by his name, by looking at him, by talking to him/his family. His family came here when he was 12 or 13, I think, and they settled in NYC. From everything he's said and stuff that I observed, he and they have only ever benefitted from their race. Not that they got free rides in school--they worked hard--but there were categories of opportunities that were available to them that weren't available to others. Even though it's obvious that they're not from the U.S., they never had problems either casually (on the streets) or in terms of opportunity.

In terms of discrimination, it could be that class trumps race or at least diminishes its effect. They're obviously from upper-middle-class standing and have been well educated, have successful careers, are well esteemed in their fields. That could influence the opportunities they've had, but I doubt that it would deeply affect the casual, racial sorts of discriminations that I hear about from other people. I wonder what the difference was/is.

[monkey]

i honestly believe the difference comes in both class (money) and education. when i go somewhere where im lauded for my educational achievements, it's always "look at that hard-working, smart, immigrant girl." when im wearing jeans and a tshirt, walking around the streets of the suburbs i live in, or going to get a simple summer job, one where education isn't a priority, it's "there's another brown person." perhaps it is because im not in nyc proper, but in a predominantly white area, perhaps it is because i may not go around flaunting my education, but walking around just like any other kid. it's just that my skin color sticks out. i may not look it when i post pictures, but it's plainly obvious to a person looking at me face-to-face.

the truth is, it's not rampant. it's not an everyday occurence. but it's hurtful, it's terrible, it's demeaning, and i wish it never happened. not just because of me, because im sure i can succeed beyond it. but there might be a person without the ability to have the educational chances i have had, and they could be just as smart, but their skin color might prevent them from having better opportunities.

[Qdrop]

I wonder what the difference was/is.

i'll go out on a limb and say the differance is probably that they may have experiance some form of name calling, discrimination, alientation, etc based on thier race/ethnicity BUT realized this it was nowhere in the same league as those that have truly experianced disgusting abuse or overt discriminiation in todays age, or historically.
they rightly see it as disrespectful to use that word lightly in the face of those that have historically been killed, abused, or segragated in the most vile of actions.
the word "racism" carries with it some of history's worst tragedies, even as recent as the sixties..and TODAY in America (James Bird)....
to say one has been a victim of racism means that person has seen "hell" in thier lifetime....and they are deserving of our remorse and support.

but some in our society look to latch on to that "pity line" by claiming that they, too, have experienced racism, when the experiance they claim pales by ANY comparison to past acts of horrendous discrimination.
a classless act.

shit, when i lived in the city as a child, i got picked on by some black kids who said "white kids like you walk funny"...
but i'll be god damned if i would ever have the fuckin balls to say i experienced "racism"... when just 2 years ago, a black man was dragged from a pick up truck by his neck till his head ripped off....just because he was black.
no fuckin way.

thinking you got looked at "funny" because your skin is olive colored, compared to alibaster white is not racism.

being told to "get your n*gger ass out of my store", being beaten because of your skin color, or being told that "we would never hire a sp*c like you." is racism.

[g-mile7]

i'll go out on a limb and say the differance is probably that they may have experiance some form of name calling, discrimination, alientation, etc based on thier race/ethnicity BUT realized this it was nowhere in the same league as those that have truly experiance disgusting abuse or overt discriminiation in todays age or historically.
they rightly see it as disrespectful to use that word lightly in the face of those that have historically been killed, abused, or segragated in the most vile of actions.
the word "racism" carries with it some of history's worst tragedies, even as recent as the sixties..and TODAY in American (James Bird)....
to say one has been a victim of racism means that person has seen "hell" in thier lifetime....and they are deserving of our remorse and support.

but some in our society look to latch on to that "pity" line by claiming that they, too, have experienced racism, when the experiance they claim pales by ANY comparison to past acts of horrendous discrimination.
a classless act.

shit, when i lived in the city as a child, i got picked on by some black kids who said "white kids like you walk funny"...
but i'll be god damned if i would ever have the fuckin balls to say i experienced "racism" when just 2 years ago, a black man was dragged from a pick up truck by his neck till his head ripped off....because he was black.
no fuckin way.

thinking you got looked at "funny" because your skin is olive colored, compared to alibaster white is not racism.

being told to "get your n*gger ass out of my store", being beaten because of your skin color, or being told that "we would never hire a sp*c like you." is racism.


Good, then I can say I have seen and heard this. When I go on myspace and I see white kids (both rocker, preppy and wannabe rapper) refer to their friends as "sup my nigger" (not even nigga, nigger) it makes me sick. When I see people on here joke bout racism it makes me fuckin disgusted. Even the brightest minds have been preptators of racism.

[enree erzweglle]

Good, then I can say I have seen and heard this. When I go on myspace and I see white kids (both rocker, preppy and wannabe rapper) refer to their friends as "sup my nigger" (not even nigga, nigger) it makes me sick. When I see people on here joke bout racism it makes me fuckin disgusted. Even the brightest minds have been preptators of racism.God, that's awful. I spit on those people. :) Seriously, I am so sorry that you have to deal with that. You are such a great guy.

[Nuzzolese]

have you ever experienced it? has anyone looked down upon you for your skin color? have you ever been denied a job you were over-qualified for because you looked like an undocumented individual in an age that being undocumented is corrolated with being basically worthless unless you want to mow a lawn?

You didn't answer my question. You said white people try to "own" racism and I wondered what you meant by that and who you thought had the rights to "own" racism - whatever that means. And if you put people on a continuum or rightful ownership to racism. Like, who gets to own the most? African Americans? Asian Americans? Where does an upper middle class Chilean American girl fit into it?

I don't think it works like that. I don't think it's wise to think that way.

[monkey]

because your question seemed to make fun of the subject.

[g-mile7]

God, that's awful. I spit on those people. :) Seriously, I am so sorry that you have to deal with that. You are such a great guy.


You get used to it, I mean people don't realize that its hard for a black man in the mostly black ghetto (poverty, worrying about your own brotha killing you, etc.) and the suburbs (white kids unaware of history, being looked upon with negative looks and hearing behind your back and face "I didnt think he was that smart") type of junk. Thne you come on here and see people making fun of it and then trying to speak about what they trully could NEVER know is an annoyance.


Let me tell you people a story:

I was no more then 10 years old, me and my father went to Mississppi to vist my great grandma (since we had just flown back to our first home, the ghetto Baton Rouge,La to vist family) so we are driving in the woods, dirt roads the whole nine yards and junk, trailers all on top of the hills. So we have the windows down and all of a sudden I hear a whistle....I look up and I see this obsese hairy white guy in one those kiddie pools yo, I think naked but Im not sure take his shotgun and point up....all I see is a damn confedreate flag flying.....almost as a statment that "nigger you in the wrong area"......I have never let my race get in my way, but sometimes there is only so much YOU can do......for others (jobs, school) can control your destiny. I know I am smarter then the sterotype, but people (unaware or not) still tend to show disrespect and try to one up you...for whatever reason they do. I see it on here and off here...then they try and label you all sorts of things too (confertational, outspoken,etc.), but you know what? If I didnt speak my mind I'd just be another nigga in their minds, least when I open my mouth I can kill some of that at least with the people that can see what I have round them.

[enree erzweglle]

i'll go out on a limb and say the differance is probably that they may have experiance some form of name calling, discrimination, alientation, etc based on thier race/ethnicity BUT realized this it was nowhere in the same league as those that have truly experiance disgusting abuse or overt discriminiation in todays age or historically.
I would guess that this is absolutely right. I think when they decided to come here, they fought off scenarios of horrible abuse and discrimination. So maybe to them, some name-calling was just not an issue.


thinking you got looked at "funny" because your skin is olive colored, compared to alibaster white is not racism.

being told to "get your n*gger ass out of my store", being beaten because of your skin color, or being told that "we would never hire a sp*c like you." is racism.
Exactly.

And my point, in caase I didn't make it well, is that a lot of kids get opportunities BECAUSE of their race. When I was a little kid, kids in other racial groups were either ignored or looked-down upon; now, though, in some circles, in some situations, kids who don't mesh with the diversity center's goals aren't even considered. If a college wants a kid with brown or yellow skin, they go after those kids even though often, those kids would in no way qualify for that opportunity otherwise.

Wasn't there a lawsuit about this a few years ago? Some caucasian/white kids sued some university for unfair admission practices?

Also, some of these kids [who are admitted on the grounds of their race] are destined to fail. Some of these colleges are so eager to act on their diversity plans that they'll invite kids who would clearly not survive the associated academic rigors. It would be interesting to compare the diversity stats for incoming freshman against returning juniors.

[monkey]

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[Nuzzolese]

because your question seemed to make fun of the subject.

I thought it was odd the way you phrased it. Owning racism. As if, the person who experiences the most of it owns it more. It's just hate, right? For who you are. How can you make a serious comment about "white people" while at the same time complain about people who treat you like dirt for your skin? And are you saying that there are grades of hate and that certian people, certain skin colors, have it worse than others? How can you put a value scale on something like that?

[Nuzzolese]

I joke about bogus claims of racism or over-analytical attempts to find racist undercurrents in innocent materials because those bogus claims and misdirected accusations are, I think, counterproductive in the broad scheme of things, in looking at the big picture. It's arguing over semantics. So I joke about it, because the petty disagreements and senstivities are a joke, not the big problems.

[g-mile7]

I joke about bogus claims of racism or over-analytical attempts to find racist undercurrents in innocent materials because those bogus claims and misdirected accusations are, I think, counterproductive in the broad scheme of things, in looking at the big picture. It's arguing over semantics. So I joke about it, because the petty disagreements and senstivities are a joke, not the big problems.


this board is known for this though....suprising that you would joke about this, and I am not trying to be rude (no need for a rude comment back)

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/5126/ttat34jt.jpg

[Qdrop]

I joke about bogus claims of racism or over-analytical attempts to find racist undercurrents in innocent materials because those bogus claims and misdirected accusations are, I think, counterproductive in the broad scheme of things, in looking at the big picture. It's arguing over semantics.

which is what i've been saying.
and people who do this are perpetuating racism as much as an ignorant backwoods hick.

[Nuzzolese]

this board is known for this though....suprising that you would joke about this, and I am not trying to be rude (no need for a rude comment back)

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/5126/ttat34jt.jpg

Just because the board is known for something, doesn't mean I won't joke about it. Especially when it's not something exclusive to the board.

[g-mile7]

which is what i've been saying.
and people who do this are perpetuating racism as much as an ignorant backwoods hick.



I think your the only one that would say that....trully you can not be serious.

[g-mile7]

Just because the board is known for something, doesn't mean I won't joke about it. Especially when it's not something exclusive to the board.


Well good for you tiger.Keep roaring.

[Qdrop]

If a college wants a kid with brown or yellow skin, they go after those kids even though often, those kids would in no way qualify for that opportunity otherwise.

[...]

Also, some of these kids [who are admitted on the grounds of their race] are destined to fail. Some of these colleges are so eager to act on their diversity plans that they'll invite kids who would clearly not survive the associated academic rigors. It would be interesting to compare the diversity stats for incoming freshman against returning juniors.

agreed.
but to state this in a public forum would instantly lead to charges or racism.

salem witch trials.
sensitivity over truth.

[mickill]

My dad's racist. Not necessarily in a hateful way, but he definitely discriminates against certain people, if not all people. His parents were from India. He was raised in the Philippines. Soon after moving to Canada, he married my mom, who is Filipino. But my dad doesn't really speak too highly of Filipino people, despite having many friends who are Filipino. And a wife who is. And two sons that are half. I don't know.

I never really realized how out of control his prejudices were until I got a little older. I can remember being as young as 6 years old, driving in the car with him, hearing him make all kinds of racist remarks that would sort of offend me, even as a child. I grew up in a very racially diverse community. I had friends of all sorts of different ethinicities. And the school I went to really encouraged the idea of appreciating the various cultures and ethnic backgrounds. So my respect for other races and cultures was more or less instilled in me by everyone other than my dad. That sounds pretty After School Special-ish, but it's true.

[Qdrop]

I think your the only one that would say that....trully you can not be serious.

look, while the severity of either side do not appear equal (i grant you that)...
i do think the overall effect on society is much the same.

[g-mile7]

look, while the severity of either side do not appear equal (i grant you that)...
i do think the overall effect on society is much the same.


How is the effect the same when one set of racist wants to extinguish certain racist from the planet (and have done so both in the US and out) while the other is basically just crying wolf.....

[Qdrop]

My dad's racist. Not necessarily in a hateful way, but he definitely discriminates against certain people, if not all people. His parents were from India. He was raised in the Philippines. Soon after moving to Canada, he married my mom, who is Filipino. But my dad doesn't really speak too highly of Filipino people, despite having many friends who are Filipino. And a wife who is. And two sons that are half. I don't know.



i thought you were Italian.

i think everyone looks Italian.


does that make me racist?

[Qdrop]

How is the effect the same when one set of racist wants to extinguish certain racist from the planet (and have done so both in the US and out) while the other is basically just crying wolf.....

one perpetuates racist beliefs that have no scientific or social backing.

one perpetuates racist accusations that are non-existant, for a variety of self-serving reasons.


either way, racism won't go away.

[g-mile7]

one perpetuates racist beliefs that have no scientific or social backing.

one perpetuates racist accusations that are non-existant, for a variety of self-serving reasons.


either way, racism won't go away.


They will always be racism because of ones who have the belief.....we can't change that.

[mickill]

i thought you were Italian.

i think everyone looks Italian.


does that make me racist?
No, just presumptuous. When you presume, you make a pre out of you and me.

[Ally Al]

Good, then I can say I have seen and heard this. When I go on myspace and I see white kids (both rocker, preppy and wannabe rapper) refer to their friends as "sup my nigger" (not even nigga, nigger) it makes me sick. When I see people on here joke bout racism it makes me fuckin disgusted. Even the brightest minds have been preptators of racism.


theee's WAY to many white kids using the N word on these boards, but they're cool because they can hide their ignorance behind their monitors

[Qdrop]

No, just presumptuous. When you presume, you make a pre out of you and me.

do i look Italian?

or just albino?

does that make you racist?

[mickill]

do i look Italian?

or just albino?

does that make you racist?
I don't know. You just look weird.

[g-mile7]

theee's WAY to many white kids using the N word on these boards, but they're cool because they can hide their ignorance behind their monitors


Well the the simple argument of "if they say why cant I" comes in to play, but when you are not even using the word in the way we, as black people, use it (nigga, not nigger) that just screams ignorance. I have no problem with people saying nigga to be honest for I, when talkign with my black friends, use it seldomly (shit my 79 year old grandmother, no lie, once wanted to show me, my mom and siblings to the "white neighbors" to show off her "nigga kids and their good hair"), but its the fact that they use it like its such a cool or funny thing to say....thank god they know where they are when they do use it for I know many black people that would beat the shit out of anybody dumb enough to say such a thing. Statments such as "Who the black people?" are not funny, just wish more people would say something about this instead of just letting it slide.

[Bob]

Wasn't there a lawsuit about this a few years ago? Some caucasian/white kids sued some university for unfair admission practices?


yeah, there were a few, i learned about them in my african american politics class, they went to the supreme court, i believe. i do not remember the outcome. i think the policies were upheld (must have been, because schools are still doing it). the only one i remember was some girl who had an LSAT of 160 and a GPA of 3.5 sued because she didn't get into the U of michigan law school (one of the best in the country). that seems a little prissy. i got a 163 and a 3.3 and got rejected from Boston College, you don't see me suing.

anyway schools are still doing it, DEFINITELY law schools. their pamphlets proudly brag about the number of minorities admitted, they make a big to-do about how you should mention how your status has affected you in your essay if you're a minority, etc. i can understand it though, even with all that, minorities are way under-represented in terms of the racial composition of the law school classes.

i think one case was bakke vs....california? bakke vs. something.

[g-mile7]

do i look Italian?

or just albino?

does that make you racist?



How in the world does judging someone's ethincity worng based on they look make someone racist? If you started to treat him negative style more now that you know he isn't/is what you thought would be racist to an extent.

[Ally Al]

Well the the simple argument of "if they say why cant I" comes in to play, but when you are not even using the word in the way we, as black people, use it (nigga, not nigger) that just screams ignorance. I have no problem with people saying nigga to be honest for I, when talkign with my black friends, use it seldomly (shit my 79 year old grandmother, no lie, once wanted to show me, my mom and siblings to the "white neighbors" to show off her "nigga kids and their good hair"), but its the fact that they use it like its such a cool or funny thing to say....thank god they know where they are when they do use it for I know many black people that would beat the shit out of anybody dumb enough to say such a thing. Statments such as "Who the black people?" are not funny, just wish more people would say something about this instead of just letting it slide.

see the whole if they say it why can't I, or the well my black friends don't mind if i use it is bullshit, there's too much negative history with that word for white people to use it so casually. I wouldn't ever dream of callling my black friends that, if they were cool with it or otherwise

[Lyman Zerga]

i felt like adding my two cents since im austrian and stuff

[Qdrop]

How in the world does judging someone's ethincity worng based on they look make someone racist? If you started to treat him negative style more now that you know he isn't/is what you thought would be racist to an extent.

it was a joke.

[g-mile7]

it was a joke.



I wasn't attacking you however.

[Bob]

see the whole if they say it why can't I, or the well my black friends don't mind if i use it is bullshit, there's too much negative history with that word for white people to use it so casually. I wouldn't ever dream of callling my black friends that, if they were cool with it or otherwise

i certainly don't either, but a black guy i was playing football with actually called me nigga once. not in anger anything, he had the ball and i was trying to tackle him and he says "too small nigga, too small!" and brushed me off effortlessly (i am pretty small, and he was a walk-on for the football team, i didn't belong in that game, actually)

i wasn't mad or anything, everyone laughed, me too, he was just doing some friendly trash-talking, but it's kind of an odd thing to do, i thought.

[g-mile7]

i certainly don't either, but a black guy i was playing football with actually called me nigga once. not in anger anything, he had the ball and i was trying to tackle him and he says "too small nigga, too small!" and brushed me off effortlessly (i am pretty small, and he was a walk-on for the football team, i didn't belong in that game, actually)

i wasn't mad or anything, everyone laughed, me too, he was just doing some friendly trash-talking, but it's kind of an odd thing to do, i thought.


Well sometimes the word "nigga" is part of people vocab. (like people that say "uh" "like" "you know") alot, it's second nature, also he must have felt you were a cool guy too, not just everybody outside the race gets called that without having a beat down coming. Just depends on the personality of the person who said it.

[Qdrop]

I don't know. You just look weird.

dammit, i have no ethnic identity.

[Bob]

Well sometimes the word "nigga" is part of people vocab. (like people that say "uh" "like" "you know") alot, it's second nature, also he must have felt you were a cool guy too, not just everybody outside the race gets called that without having a beat down coming. Just depends on the personality of the person who said it.

oh, alright. yeah i wasn't offended or anything. to be honest i was a little proud. for one glorious second i felt like i had street cred. then i snapped out of it and watched him run into the endzone and realized i'd just white-boyed up the game. oh well

[g-mile7]

oh, alright. yeah i wasn't offended or anything. to be honest i was a little proud. for one glorious second i felt like i had street cred. then i snapped out of it and watched him run into the endzone and realized i'd just white-boyed up the game. oh well


:), like I said as long as their understanding then its just a word.

[mickill]

dammit, i have no ethnic identity.
If only CLOWN was recognized as its own ethnic group.

[Qdrop]

If only CLOWN was recognized as its own ethnic group.

oh, that'd be sweet....

then whenever i saw heard someone making fun of oversized shoes, or puffy, colored hair, or complaining about having a red nose....i could say that i feel offended and was a victim of racism.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE!

[Bob]

oh, that'd be sweet....

then whenever i saw heard someone making fun of oversized shoes, or puffy, colored hair, or complaining about having a red nose....i could say that i feel offended and was a victim of racism.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE!

you prej'dice!

honk honk

[g-mile7]

oh, that'd be sweet....

then whenever i saw heard someone making fun of oversized shoes, or puffy, colored hair, or complaining about having a red nose....i could say that i feel offended and was a victim of racism.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE!


they do trust me:( Ronald dies a lil every night when the big bad "man" expolits him and gets rich off him.

[Qdrop]

honk honk

that hurts man....that hurts.

we clowns suffered for years for that phrase.
only we can use it.....

you don't have the right....