Nuke Kansas.

[Qdrop]

that's the only solution.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/08/ap/tech/mainD8DOHTD03.shtml

Kan. School Board OKs Evolution Language

TOPEKA, Kan., Nov. 8, 2005
(AP) Revisiting a topic that exposed Kansas to nationwide ridicule six years ago, the state Board of Education approved science standards for public schools Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution.

The board's 6-4 vote, expected for months, was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

Critics of the proposed language charged that it was an attempt to inject creationism into public schools in violation of the separation between church and state.

[Qdrop]

there is some room for hope:

DOVER, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members who backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class, ousting eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want the concept stripped from the science curriculum.

The election unfolded amid a landmark federal trial involving the Dover public schools and the question of whether intelligent design promotes the Bible's view of creation. Eight Dover families sued, saying it violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

Dover's school board adopted a policy in October 2004 that requires ninth-graders to hear a prepared statement about intelligent design before learning about evolution in biology class.

Eight of the nine school board members were up for election Tuesday. They were challenged by a slate of Democrats who argued that science class was not the appropriate forum for teaching intelligent design.

"My kids believe in God. I believe in God. But I don't think it belongs in the science curriculum the way the school district is presenting it," said Jill Reiter, 41, a bank teller who joined a group of high school students waving signs supporting the challengers Tuesday.

A spokesman for the winning slate of candidates has said they wouldn't act hastily and would consider the outcome of the court case. The judge expects to rule by January; the new school board members will be sworn in December 5.

School board member David Napierskie, who lost Tuesday, said the vote wasn't just about ideology.

"Some people felt intelligent design shouldn't be taught and others were concerned about having tax money spent on the lawsuit," he said.

Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some kind of higher force. The statement read to students says Charles Darwin's theory is "not a fact" and has inexplicable "gaps."

A similar controversy has erupted in Kansas, where the state Board of Education on Tuesday approved science standards for public schools that cast doubt on the theory of evolution. The 6-4 vote was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards.

[ToucanSpam]

"Let's nuke the bastards."

--Bill Pullman, Independance Day (1996)

[QueenAdrock]

My great aunt was friends with Bill Pullman.

I don't even know how they'll teach intelligent design. Where will they draw the line? Can they teach about Jesus? Abraham? Mohammad? Or do they just say "Some say there's a higher power" and leave it at that? Ugh. School is based on the sciences, arts, and fact. If they want to learn about "intelligent design" based on NO fact, then by all means GO TO CHURCH. When I have kids and they teach ID in the local school, they're going to private school.

[ToucanSpam]

My great aunt was friends with Bill Pullman.




hmmmmmmmmmmm


reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally?

[QueenAdrock]

Yeah. She worked in the theater department of SUNY-Oneonta, where he went. He's wearing an Oneonta sweatshirt on SNL. :)

[ToucanSpam]

coool.


I wish I knew someone famous.



Or had a sammich.

[QueenAdrock]

You know me. I'm related to Kaiser Wilhelm AND Herbert Hoover. They're pretty evil, no?

[ToucanSpam]

are you really? fuck off.....

[QueenAdrock]

Yeah, up my mom's line. Hoover is my great grandfather's cousin. I kinda look like him, in my facial expression and mouth. Wilhelm is more far off, but still my maternal line.

[ToucanSpam]

You've got some royal family in your blood.......cool.


You'd be like the best history buddy ever.

[QueenAdrock]

Hahaha...the royal blood isn't that great. It means I've got inbreeding somewhere up the line, which explains why it takes my blood longer to clot. I've got the crazy history hookups. My grandfather worked on the Manhattan Project and met Enrico Fermi.

Anyways, isn't this supposed to be about Intelligent Design?

Fuck Kansas.

[ToucanSpam]

It was predetermined that wed talk about this.

[Funkaloyd]

http://pics.livejournal.com/foofy_attorney/pic/0000ttfk

[Rancid_Beasties]

Screw you guys. My great great great etc grandfather started the gold rush in Australia. He has a town named after him :cool:

[GreenEarthAl]

This all bodes very well for the flying spaghetti monster. Hot Damn!

[racer5.0stang]

Funny how people would rather "nuke" (as you so eliquently put it) a group of people don't just fall in line with your ideals.


Sheep.

[QueenAdrock]

People? As in more than one? I only saw one that said that he wanted to nuke in this thread.

[Funkaloyd]

No, I want to nuke them too.

I can no longer sit back and allow Creationist infiltration, Creationist indoctrination, Creationist subversion and the international Creationist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

[Ali]

Funny how people would rather "nuke" (as you so eliquently put it) a group of people don't just fall in line with your ideals...... and who try to impose their ideals on everyone else.

[synch]

http://pics.livejournal.com/foofy_attorney/pic/0000ttfk
Hahahahahahahaha.

[synch]

I don't even know how they'll teach intelligent design. Where will they draw the line? Can they teach about Jesus? Abraham? Mohammad? Or do they just say "Some say there's a higher power" and leave it at that? Ugh. School is based on the sciences, arts, and fact. If they want to learn about "intelligent design" based on NO fact, then by all means GO TO CHURCH. When I have kids and they teach ID in the local school, they're going to private school.
I think religion does belong in schools, in a class aptly called "religion". A class in which they can be tought about the christian, muslim, buddhist, jewish etc faith.

[Funkaloyd]

Do you really think that could work out, though? There are so many faiths to teach, and many more denominations, sects and interpretations. Far too many to get through fairly (i.e. proper representation of each belief) in any reasonable amount of time. Parents would be constantly complaining that their religion isn't getting taught correctly, and that other religions are made to seem too equal, too valid. Freethinkers (e.g. yours truly) would demand a "freethinking" or "skepticism" class, and spiritualists who deny any link with religion would demand a "spirituality" class.

I think it's much simpler to just keep government and religion a great distance apart.

[synch]

I went to a catholic high school and got taught religion in school. Two of the religion teachers I had were priests (not in uniform by the way). It taught me some of the bible stories, the backgrounds, the ideas behind it and I can still name the plagues of egypt (maybe...).

Nobody ever made a fuss about it.

Different times, different culture I guess.

[ms.peachy]

Funny how people would rather "nuke" (as you so eliquently put it) a group of people don't just fall in line with your ideals.


Sheep.
Oh, the ironing.

[racer5.0stang]

People? As in more than one? I only saw one that said that he wanted to nuke in this thread.

Yeah, believe it or not.

I can no longer sit back and allow Creationist infiltration, Creationist indoctrination, Creationist subversion and the international Creationist

I don't believe that I.D. could be considered Creationism. To me, Intelligent Design is nothing more than someone trying to please both sides of the argument rather than taking a stand on either for what he/she believes in.

Nothing more than a cop out.

and who try to impose their ideals on everyone else.

Agreed.

I think religion does belong in schools, in a class aptly called "religion". A class in which they can be tought about the christian, muslim, buddhist, jewish etc faith.

Seeing that numerous wars have been started over a little thing called religion, I don't think that is a very good idea. Someone might think you spent too much time on one religion and not enough on the other.

Oh, the ironing.

It made me laugh. :)

[synch]

Seeing that numerous wars have been started over a little thing called religion, I don't think that is a very good idea. Someone might think you spent too much time on one religion and not enough on the other.
The alternative is no religion at all in school.

[ASsman]

Hahaha, oh my god. It's like a bad lunch it just won't go down, I can't even begin to comprehend why anyone would think I.D is a valid theory, or a theory at all.

It's like too stupid and inllogical to understand, or some shit. Like all those cults killing themselves because the aliens who made them were coming back...

Like a bunch of guys got together and started writing down POSSIBLE reasons for our existance, of course my Matrix "theory" was thrown out, not Godlike enough, so hell let's go with this ID just SOMEONE or SOMETHING made us, yah that sounds just great, and oh so intelligent.

[SobaViolence]

why stop at kansas?

[racer5.0stang]

Hahaha, oh my god. It's like a bad lunch it just won't go down, I can't even begin to comprehend why anyone would think I.D is a valid theory, or a theory at all.

It's like too stupid and inllogical to understand, or some shit. Like all those cults killing themselves because the aliens who made them were coming back...

Like a bunch of guys got together and started writing down POSSIBLE reasons for our existance, of course my Matrix "theory" was thrown out, not Godlike enough, so hell let's go with this ID just SOMEONE or SOMETHING made us, yah that sounds just great, and oh so intelligent.

Definetly something John Kerry would agree with.

Just sketchy enough for him dance around in with out taking an actual stance on something concrete.

Not to beat a dead horse or anything. :rolleyes:

[QueenAdrock]

Yeah, except John Kerry's a Catholic. He believes in Jesus, and God. He's just not one of these assholes that tries to shove it down your throat at all time. Those who didn't understand his platform didn't take an active stance to, they didn't care to. They just decided they <3ed Bush from the get-go and refused to listen to anything Kerry had to say, other than to smear him for being "vague" or a "flipflopper" when in actuality, they're just idiots who didn't listen to what he was saying.

But I'm sure that's not you.

And how is "I can't even begin to comprehend why anyone would think I.D is a valid theory, or a theory at all," considered VAGUE? He says intelligent design is a bunch of crap. That's pretty concrete in my opinion.

P.S. There's nothing more awesome than kicking a man who's already lost. Hey, Clinton supporters! Let's all talk about what a douche Dole was. Remember Dole? Yeah he lost. And he's a loser. Hahaha.

[SobaViolence]

could i just sexually harass kansas so they forget about intelligent design?

[ASsman]

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/kansas.jpg

I'm game, check out that caboose, my kinda state. Rawr.

Ironically if you don't want you're kids to learn ID as a "science" you can always send them to Private school....

I think it might push people who don't have their heads up their asses to leave the country, turning the US into some sort of MadMax US where two warring tribes kill each other. Then we can return and rebuild.

[sam i am]

I think religion does belong in schools, in a class aptly called "religion". A class in which they can be tought about the christian, muslim, buddhist, jewish etc faith.

How about "Comparative Theology?"

I took a course entitled that in High School and a few in College that were similar.

I learned all about Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., et al (even Zoroastrianism!)

Knowledge and understanding are not horrible. The inability to clot blood quickly......well......that's a whole nother story ;)

[synch]

Sounds like a plan :)

[Documad]

I have no problem with high school kids learning about world religions. We did at my high school, but it was a real comparative class with no emphasis on Christianity.

It needs to be completely separate from science. And science needs to be taught as science.

The problem is that fundamentalist Christians tend to use gimmicks to instruct kids in their faith. You don't get to instruct kids on the Christian faith during the public school day because you sang The Dradle song in choir.

[Ace42X]

The Dradle song in choir.

Driedel?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42567&rss=1

[sam i am]

Driedel?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42567&rss=1

Freaking hillarious! :p

Anyhow.....

Back to the SERIOUS discussion, which ace so gamely attempted to divert with his witty Onion repartee....


What would we (as the BBMB) suggest be a good Comparative Theology curriculum that we could all agree on? Which religions should or should not be included? If there's 180 days of instruction in a school year, what percentage should go to each religion? Should only "major" religions be taught or should there also be equal time for smaller, "fringe" religions?

Let's see if we could come up with something we could all agree on...

P.S. What about philosophy? Should it be given equal time with religious materials? Or, should it be a separate class altogether?

[synch]

A basic course on each religion and derivative and then a comparison between them.

Should take around 20-25 minutes ;)