killing animal for dressing

[fucktopgirl]

well i didnt not know if i should post this in general but it can be a politic debate.

fur,people nowadays who still wear ,buy fur coat!
i dont understand it,killing 100 chihuahua to make a coat!
non sense,so much waste of life.

you know back in the esquimos day,there where killing there food and making clothes with the skin ,fur.this is comprehensif.But nowaday,we have some much fabrics,,we dont need to kill nomore animal !
like j'lo have a lot of fur in her clothe line,,we should skin her up ans make some coat with her!Its just non sense,when i was younger(16) i use to said out loud to people on the street;"killer"
i dont do it nomore but..
there is so many animal that dissapear because of this vain phenomena!

that just piss me off,people who wear those fur coat are just fucking snobish human beiing without a conscience! (n)

[racer5.0stang]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that English is not your primary language. Either that or you have failed every English/Literature class from kindergarten through high school.

Some garments, if not most, are no longer made from real animal fur.

So don't go around screaming killer without first identifying the authenticity of the garment.

[Ace42X]

you know back in the esquimos day,there where killing there food and making clothes with the skin

My jacket is made out of leather. Great stuff, hard-wearing, easy to clean, comfortable. PLENTY of pocket space too. It looks the business. Cowskin rules, MOOOOOOOO!

[jackrock]

My jacket is made out of leather. Great stuff, hard-wearing, easy to clean, comfortable. PLENTY of pocket space too. It looks the business. Cowskin rules, MOOOOOOOO!
don't you mean BOOOOOOOO! (n)

[racer5.0stang]

My jacket is made out of leather. Great stuff, hard-wearing, easy to clean, comfortable. PLENTY of pocket space too. It looks the business. Cowskin rules, MOOOOOOOO!

Now Ace, you know your jacket is made of Pleather.

[fucktopgirl]

My jacket is made out of leather. Great stuff, hard-wearing, easy to clean, comfortable. PLENTY of pocket space too. It looks the business. Cowskin rules, MOOOOOOOO!

well yea cow ,i eat them why waste their skin,,But the vian fur coat made in fashion,snowleopard,tiger,,,
that is fucking wrong

[fucktopgirl]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that English is not your primary language. Either that or you have failed every English/Literature class from kindergarten through high school.

Some garments, if not most, are no longer made from real animal fur.

So don't go around screaming killer without first identifying the authenticity of the garment.


no french is my first language,so is it a problem,cannot understand my writting,maybe i got some spelling mistake but i am not so bad.can you write in french :D

oh man you are just pathetic,there are still a lot animal kill for fur just for fucking vain raison.how many "poacher" still nowadays kill rare animal for the$,they dont know that the animal is in the process of extinction,but they are poor,they wanted the money.But the rich knows, dont give a fuck!

"so dont go around screaming killer without first identifying the authenticity of the garment"

fuck do you have a carrot in the ass,so constipated!

[fucktopgirl]

Cats 'farmed for skins in EU'

BBC News has seen evidence which suggests that cats are being farmed for their skins in the European Union.

Let me say that cats and dogs are not farmed for their fur in the 15 EU member states

EU commissioner David Byrne
It is thought that tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of cat and dog skins are traded in Europe each year.

Campaigners say that now is the time for national governments or the European Commission to act.

Europe, it seems, is a magnet for cat and dog fur.

Cat blankets, so the aficionados say, are good for rheumatism.

US ban

Dog pelts are often labelled misleadingly and sold as the fur of some exotic, even mythical beast.

Cat and dog fur trade

Campaigners claim 2 million cats and dogs slaughtered every year
Main exporter: China
12 to 15 adult dogs needed to make a dog fur coat
Up to 24 cats needed for cat fur coat
Cat and dog fur also used in hats, gloves, shoes, blankets, stuffed animals and toys
Dog fur sometimes labelled as: Gae-wolf, sobaki, Asian jackal, goupee, loup d'Asie, Corsac fox, dogues du Chine, or simply fake or exotic fur
Cat fur sometimes labelled as: house cat, wild cat, katzenfelle, rabbit, goyangi, mountain cat
Since the US has banned the trade of cat and dog skins, the European market has expanded.

A video seen by BBC correspondent Tim Franks shows one Belgian furrier displaying a blanket he says was made from cats farmed in Belgium.

What is more, he says that stray cats and dogs are rounded up and skinned.

That would seem to contradict the assertion from the officials who help run the EU at the European Commission that there is no cat or dog farming inside the union.

"Let me say that cats and dogs are not farmed for their fur in the 15 member states of the European Union," EU Health and Consumer Protection commissioner David Byrne wrote to a British member of the European Parliament last year.

Officials in Brussels repeated on Thursday that they had no evidence of cat or dog farming in the EU.

They said it was up to national governments to ban the trade in cat and dog fur.

Alsatian coat

So far, though, only Italy has brought in such a ban.

British MEP Struan Stevenson told the BBC that two million cats and dogs are being killed in China alone each year, in order to satisfy demand in Europe.

He also said that he has seen videos of animals being skinned alive.

As evidence of the trade he has collected:

A blanket made out of four golden retrievers, bought in Copenhagen
Individual cat skins complete with eye-holes, paws and tails, bought in Barcelona
A full-length coat made out of up to 42 Alsatian puppies, bought in Berlin
Campaigners accuses the European Commission of lacking the political will to address the issue, arguing that the trade is not only morally repugnant, but also a case of consumer fraud.

The British Department of Trade and Industry says it is examining the case for more scientific testing and more accurate labelling.

But it says that scientific testing very difficult to do on account of the expense and the shortage of laboratories capable of doing it.



that is not disgusting or what

[Medellia]

Its just non sense,when i was younger(16) i use to said out loud to people on the street;"killer"
Right, because that accomplishes so much and doesn't make you look like an asshole at all.

*angrily taps heel of alligator skin shoes*

[QueenAdrock]

That reminds me.

A young blonde was on vacation in the depths of Louisiana. She wanted a pair of genuine alligator shoes in the worst way, but was very reluctant to pay the high prices the local vendors were asking.

After becoming very frustrated with the "no haggle" attitude of one of the shopkeepers, the blonde shouted, "Maybe I'll just go out and catch my own alligator so I can get a pair of shoes at a reasonable price!"

The shopkeeper said, "By all means, be my guest. Maybe you'll luck out and catch yourself a big one!" Determined, the blonde turned and headed for the swamps, set on catching herself an alligator.

Later in the day, the shopkeeper was driving home, when he spotted the young woman standing waist deep in the water, shotgun in hand.

Just then, he saw a huge 9-foot alligator swimming quickly toward her. She took aim, killed the creature, and with a great deal of effort hauled it on to the swamp bank. Lying nearby were several more of the dead creatures. The shopkeeper watched in amazement. Just then the blonde flipped the alligator on its back, and frustrated, shouts out, "Damn it, this one isn't wearing any shoes either!"

[Medellia]

Hahahaha! Nice one. I don't even know if mine are reall alligator skin or not, but they were $2 dammit!

[sam i am]

My jacket is made out of leather. Great stuff, hard-wearing, easy to clean, comfortable. PLENTY of pocket space too. It looks the business. Cowskin rules, MOOOOOOOO!

Go Socialists! Kill animals!

[fucktopgirl]

anyway,nice one Queen.

but you guy dont mind that at all,the slaughter of rare animal just for they beautiful fur.like is a total waste of "life"
Or thoses poachers in africa that kill gorilla just to take their hands,feets..make hashtray and others stupid stuff. they are animal that i dont give really a damn like a cow ,well its a cow she eat her grass all day long and that about it and meuuuuuuuuu.so we eat them,they take their skin and make leather,i fucking love leather,i make hand bags with it!

but you know killing innocent baby seal for they superb fur,that just fucking piss me off,and you know what they dont even eat the freaking meat,,like norespect at all!
i think that piss me off because i think animal are fucking nice creature,and we should respect them more !
like the poachers who kill elephants for the ivory,,command.
i think there is like 4 elephants left in africa..

so you guys find thoses actions normals,it does not rebelle you a bit?

[ToucanSpam]

Until you learn to now use multiple commas in a sentence, I won't take you serious. And I doubt no one else will either.


Seriously, even when you're typing French, multiple commas is a syntax error.

[fucktopgirl]

multiple comas is a syntax error

and being in a coma,,,,,,,, :D is it

[QueenAdrock]

I don't really like people killing animals just for the skins. If they're going to use the whole animal, for food and everything else, that might be a different story.

There are plenty of warm alternatives to wearing fur, however there are not a lot of good alternatives to meat, which is why I still eat meat and don't wear fur. If you're going to kill animals, make it for a worthwhile purpose.

[ToucanSpam]

I kill everything for sport. Especially those fuckers who try to convert me by knocking on my door. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[QueenAdrock]

The Mormons? They have some pretty nice suits, I'd hunt them and skin them of their Armani and sell them on the black market.

[fucktopgirl]

here we i live we have a huge community of mormon,huge.
there originally came from idaho.

anyway ,they as been many protest toward them because they have multiple wife and they sleep with teenager and put them pregnate.
They did buy sperm from total stranger to keep the blood line without beeing too much cross genetic.

They have try to bring them in court,but they are so powerful in the society here,they have are rich here so,they give them land and let them be!

anyway it unbelievable,the summer when they go in swim in the lake,they keep they clothe on, why?

[Medellia]

anyway,nice one Queen.

but you guy dont mind that at all,the slaughter of rare animal just for they beautiful fur.like is a total waste of "life"
Or thoses poachers in africa that kill gorilla just to take their hands,feets..make hashtray and others stupid stuff. they are animal that i dont give really a damn like a cow ,well its a cow she eat her grass all day long and that about it and meuuuuuuuuu.so we eat them,they take their skin and make leather,i fucking love leather,i make hand bags with it!

but you know killing innocent baby seal for they superb fur,that just fucking piss me off,and you know what they dont even eat the freaking meat,,like norespect at all!
i think that piss me off because i think animal are fucking nice creature,and we should respect them more !
like the poachers who kill elephants for the ivory,,command.
i think there is like 4 elephants left in africa..

so you guys find thoses actions normals,it does not rebelle you a bit?
I think it's wrong to kill animals just so Jay-Z can have a new coat. But it's also wrong to verbally abuse strangers on the street because they are wearing chinchilla.

Oh and when you bring up Native American culture it is quite obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop.

[fucktopgirl]

I think it's wrong to kill animals just so Jay-Z can have a new coat. But it's also wrong to verbally abuse strangers on the street because they are wearing chinchilla





Oh and when you bring up Native American culture it is quite obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop.


what is your point?i was 16 years old and i had fun while doing it, a blast to see the people face.

bouou you make me LAUGH HAHA
so how i seen to lack information in regard of native american culture?\
because i slip the word esquimos to show a example of human being who kill and use animal properly?

[Medellia]

Being a teenager is no excuse for being a complete twat to someone because of their clothing.

And while you've not said anything horribly disrespectful about NAtive culture yet, it's clear based on other subjects you've posted on that you just like to give your opinion on the subject at hand no matter what, facts and knowledge be damned. I'd rather not see the culture being shat upon, thanks.

[fucktopgirl]

when is the last time you had sex

you seem tense!

[Medellia]

Don't you worry about that. My vag is none of your business.

[fucktopgirl]

so then dont lecture me about what i did while i was teenager

[Medellia]

Right, because me not answering a question about my sex life on THE INTERNET is really on par with you screaming at strangers. Makes sense to me.

[fucktopgirl]

well i mean dont cross the gate on my side and i will not cross on your side

[Medellia]

My dear, you offered up the info about yelling at people for their choice of outerwear. There is a HUGE difference between telling people something with prompting and refusing to ask a question. If you can't handle someone criticizing what you say then don't say it. But the two are not comparable.

[FearandLoathing]

well yea cow ,i eat them why waste their skin,,But the vian fur coat made in fashion,snowleopard,tiger,,,
that is fucking wrong

Sage words, fucktopgirl. So you'll eat 'em, just not wear 'em?

I like that sort of consistency!

Anyway, I just skimmed the thread, but you were probably being a jackass and you were quoted as yelling out "killer" to people wearing furs when you were a kid, and people who do shit like that are moronic. Seriously, let people wear fur if they want to- or hell, campaign against it- but don't just abuse people.

[fucktopgirl]

ok,so the yelling after people because they where fur,i dont do that no more.
i am calm on the matter.i still dont agree with the fur fashion.


I think there is a difference between cow and snow leopard.i eat meat,cow chicken,pork.so i think that if we can use their skin for a purpose ,its good.
But killing tiger,snowleopard for the main purpose of wearing them on you, its just sick.They not much left in th e world so we should protect them.
i am not extremiste in my action,i will not go campaign against it.Still i dont agree with the practice.

[Ace42X]

Killing most endangered species is illegal anyway, irrespective if it is for clothes. Nearly all fur for clothing comes from non-endangered animals.

[fucktopgirl]

even the fur from non endangered species kinda tickle me anyway.
like in europe with china the dogs and cats fur trade,i find it a bit repulsing.
Maybe its because i love dogs and cats.

anyway i dont loose my sleep over the matter,but this is one of the thing that trigger some kind of hate toward ignorant people who dont have respect for living,but want to make the $.

[Ace42X]

with china the dogs and cats fur trade,i find it a bit repulsing.
Maybe its because i love dogs and cats.

The orientals eat cats and dogs though.

[fucktopgirl]

i know ,i see the practice on t.v
they have big cauldron of boiling water,then they dip the cat or dog (that they have put out by knocking them on the head)
After they just skin them,cut them and eat them! :D

yea ,i bet there is a lot of protein but i prefer to eat a cow.

[ASsman]

Yah they eat Hamsters in Peru, I almost chucked my food.

I can eat off a pig turning in a roast with head legs and all, but as far as eating something that looks like a rat whole or not... thats disgusting to me. What amused me was the way they killed them by stretching them hard enough to snap their spines. Dogs and cats have been domesticated as pets here, over there they are too lazy to eat cows so they eat something easier to cut up. Unless there is a better reason for this. In the mountains of Peru they dont have space for large cows so eat rodents. What's Chinas excuse.

[ToucanSpam]

Cows are sacred?

[ASsman]

And Oh so tasty.

Mmm, sacred hamburger filled greasy sacredness.

[Lex Diamonds]

I make my dressing the old fashioned way: olive oil and vinegar. It's animal-free. (y)

[nines]

I don't really like people killing animals just for the skins. If they're going to use the whole animal, for food and everything else, that might be a different story.

There are plenty of warm alternatives to wearing fur, however there are not a lot of good alternatives to meat, which is why I still eat meat and don't wear fur. If you're going to kill animals, make it for a worthwhile purpose.
Not to change the subject, but I just read this article about meat development in laboratories. They were talking about using a method kind of similar to cloning that will not produce a whole entire animal, but more like, say, a side of beef. So there would be no actual animal to kill for its meat (or fur).
Scary? Smart? I'm conflicted.

[QueenAdrock]

If it was delicious as real beef, then do it!

[fucktopgirl]

stupid and insane

[QueenAdrock]

Not if it's what I think he's saying, and just harvesting muscle cells to make the meat part.

It's like growing a kidney in a laboratory for someone's much-needed transplant. Except instead of using it for surgery, you eat it.

[nines]

Yes, something like that. It all just seems kind of...unnatural. Is morality involved? Like I said, I have conflicting opinions on the matter.

[fucktopgirl]

yea but you know i dont want my cow to taste the laboratory :D
i want it to taste a cow that eat grass and hay!

[Funkaloyd]

Is morality involved?
Not while half the world's starving, I'd say.

[FearandLoathing]

ok,so the yelling after people because they where fur,i dont do that no more.
i am calm on the matter.i still dont agree with the fur fashion.


I think there is a difference between cow and snow leopard.i eat meat,cow chicken,pork.so i think that if we can use their skin for a purpose ,its good.
But killing tiger,snowleopard for the main purpose of wearing them on you, its just sick.They not much left in th e world so we should protect them.
i am not extremiste in my action,i will not go campaign against it.Still i dont agree with the practice.

But, if you look at it from a compassionate, animal-loving standpoint, killing animals isn't necessary for clothing or food.

...So what? You just don't like fur or something? Or you're against killing endangered species?

[Medellia]

i am not extremiste in my action,i will not go campaign against it.Still i dont agree with the practice.
But if you're not an extremist, shouldn't you feel at least slightly ashamed for yelling at people? You still seem proud of the fact that you did that, what, ten years ago?

[fucktopgirl]

But, if you look at it from a compassionate, animal-loving standpoint, killing animals isn't necessary for clothing or food.

...So what? You just don't like fur or something? Or you're against killing endangered species?

yea i love animal,i dont like them to get kill for stupid raison,especially endangered species.you now killing animal to make a fur coat personally it piss me off ,plus they just waste the meat.Its like no respect.i mean there is so much synthetic and natural fabrics we can use to make clothe.Plus fur coat its associate with hight class fashion.I just dont like the snobish tag relate to it,rich people wearing dead animal ,,arrrhrrg

but you can say that i am totally piss off with animal beeing kill or torture for stupid raison.Another thing that piss me more then fur coat is the experience that they do on monkeys,i know this is for human sake ,still its really affect me.

[FearandLoathing]

i mean there is so much synthetic and natural fabrics we can use to make clothe.
There's so much stuff other than meat we can eat.


Plus fur coat its associate with hight class fashion.I just dont like the snobish tag relate to it,rich people wearing dead animal ,,arrrhrrg
Well, I guess that's got to do with class. What you need is a revolution, so those rich fucks can't afford their fur coats.


but you can say that i am totally piss off with animal beeing kill or torture for stupid raison.Another thing that piss me more then fur coat is the experience that they do on monkeys,i know this is for human sake ,still its really affect me.
Okay, but why are you designating what the stupid reasons are? What are the 'stupid' reasons for killing animals? Are there any valid reasons?

[fucktopgirl]

[QUOTE]There's so much stuff other than meat we can eat.

yes but i love eating meat,we need meat!

Well, I guess that's got to do with class. What you need is a revolution, so those rich fucks can't afford their fur coats.


a revolution will not change the status of rich!

Okay, but why are you designating what the stupid reasons are? What are the 'stupid' reasons for killing animals? Are there any valid reasons?

well there is good reason to kill animal,to eat!
stupid reason would be abusing them,killing them for the sole purpose of decoration(clothes, accessory)es pecially when its in regard with endangered species.Killing rhino or elephant for their ivory,sorry but this is cruel and fucking insane if you ask me.Torturing monkey in laboratory,inflict them whit cancer or hiv,and see how this react with them,testing some medecine on them,its really cruel but i understand where it could help human.The thing tho is that abuse come along and then they make useless experience on them.Some place,the monkey are just treated like shit,they suffer so much.
So killing animal by utilising them as cobay,that is weak!

[cosmo105]

this nutjob is making animal lovers look even worse than we do. last thing i need is another ass adding to people's perception of vegans and vegetarians as crazy crusaders that all think alike.

while i think fur is a stupid, hideous thing to wear and it's useless and pretentious (I CAN AFFORD THIS DEAD RODENT'S HAIR, AREN'T YOU JEALOUS) and an especially cruel industry...i can respect some leather goods that are used for their resillience (that can't possibly be spelled correctly) and strength for tough jobs. i don't necessarily agree with its use or the leather industry, and obviously i'm not a fan of any explotation of animals whatsoever...but just as i expect people to respect my choices, i respect theirs.


please note the term "animal lover" means love in a friendly, non-sexual way

[fucktopgirl]

this nutjob is making animal lovers look even worse than we do. last thing i need is another ass adding to people's perception of vegans and vegetarians as crazy crusaders that all think alike.

what are you refering at when you said thoses words?

[Medellia]

She's talking about you.

I don't know why I answered that. I'm sure you have me on ignore.

[z-boy]

i once killed a Moose for a bottle of Paul Newmans salad dressing, he was a mighty moose, went by the name of Spruce(no relation) 15 feet tall if he was an inch, but that didnt phase me, i said "moose, we can do this the hard way, or the greasy way" i was hoping he would choose oil wrestling but he was adamant on duken it out the old fashion way, his steely antlers vs my stone cold will and determination, so i shot him right in the kisser, then i robbed that motherfucker blind

[nines]

Not while half the world's starving, I'd say.

I'd say you have a point there. However, if fake meat was in fact "invented" I somehow highly doubt they'd be distributing it to soup kitchens and third world countries...
Actually I bet they could be a great big group of test-studies, though. Gee, let's test the fake meat out on the bottom of the barrel first!

[ericlee]

Man, I feel bad. I'm gonna have to go and pawn off my elephant skin wallet I bought in Thailand. After I take out my 2 year old nutra lamb rubber that is. I might have some use for that in about another 2 years.

[zerohour]

this may interest some people:

Horses cruelly slaughtered in the U.S. served up as main course in Asia, Europe (http://www.zerohour.com/essayhorse.htm)

"Over 65,000 horses were slaughtered in the United States last year, their meat packaged and shipped overseas as food. There are three horse slaughter houses in the U.S.: two in Texas, and one, I was extremely horrified to learn, in my home state of Illinois. All three are owned by foreign investors, who are allowed, on our soil, to kill racehorses, stable horses, pet horses, any horse not fit for use any longer. In his story, Deford described that these horses are killed in the same method as cattle: with stun guns. However, because horses have thicker, more muscular necks, they are not killed instantly and some end up dying an excruciatingly painful death."

[EN[i]GMA]

this may interest some people:

Horses cruelly slaughtered in the U.S. served up as main course in Asia, Europe (http://www.zerohour.com/essayhorse.htm)

"Over 65,000 horses were slaughtered in the United States last year, their meat packaged and shipped overseas as food. There are three horse slaughter houses in the U.S.: two in Texas, and one, I was extremely horrified to learn, in my home state of Illinois. All three are owned by foreign investors, who are allowed, on our soil, to kill racehorses, stable horses, pet horses, any horse not fit for use any longer. In his story, Deford described that these horses are killed in the same method as cattle: with stun guns. However, because horses have thicker, more muscular necks, they are not killed instantly and some end up dying an excruciatingly painful death."

So...what?

Are horses empirically 'better' than other animals?

Why can't people eat them?

Horse meat is considered 'bad' here (I probably wouldn't eat it), but in other countries, it's perfectly normal.

Horses are no 'better' than cows or sheep.

I see no problem with eating any of them.

[fucktopgirl]

this may interest some people:

Horses cruelly slaughtered in the U.S. served up as main course in Asia, Europe (http://www.zerohour.com/essayhorse.htm)

"Over 65,000 horses were slaughtered in the United States last year, their meat packaged and shipped overseas as food. There are three horse slaughter houses in the U.S.: two in Texas, and one, I was extremely horrified to learn, in my home state of Illinois. All three are owned by foreign investors, who are allowed, on our soil, to kill racehorses, stable horses, pet horses, any horse not fit for use any longer. In his story, Deford described that these horses are killed in the same method as cattle: with stun guns. However, because horses have thicker, more muscular necks, they are not killed instantly and some end up dying an excruciatingly painful death."

that i find it harsh,horses are way more intelligent then cow or sheep,in my opinion.I did eat it one time in my life.And it was good! But ,i try to avoid !
Horses are better when you ride them then when you eat them!!

[greedygretchen]

Not to change the subject, but I just read this article about meat development in laboratories. They were talking about using a method kind of similar to cloning that will not produce a whole entire animal, but more like, say, a side of beef. So there would be no actual animal to kill for its meat (or fur).
Scary? Smart? I'm conflicted.

definitely scary, i think that things like this are brought up with good intentions like "oh we wouldn't have to kill animals" but without thinking or knowing the long term ramifications like "oh shit ten years down the line it causes cancer" or some other disease- or a new disease purely related to that.

[zerohour]

GMA']So...what?

Are horses empirically 'better' than other animals?

Why can't people eat them?


You missed the point. If you read the article (http://www.zerohour.com/essayhorse.htm), it’s the manner in which they are slaughtered and treated that should get your attention. And that if other countries use them for food, that's fine, but they shouldn't be able to slaughter horses in America, they should do it on their own soil. It has nothing to do with the fact that American society says 'horses aren't for eating.'

I also have a problem with people defending certain animals because they are 'smarter' than other animals or 'cute.' It's a matter of humanely treating the animals we use for food.

[cj hood]

thats why i only use paul newman's stuff!

[ASsman]

You missed the point. If you read the article (http://www.zerohour.com/essayhorse.htm), it’s the manner in which they are slaughtered and treated that should get your attention. And that if other countries use them for food, that's fine, but they shouldn't be able to slaughter horses in America, they should do it on their own soil. It has nothing to do with the fact that American society says 'horses aren't for eating.'

I also have a problem with people defending certain animals because they are 'smarter' than other animals or 'cute.' It's a matter of humanely treating the animals we use for food.

Buh, she keeps changing around the reason, first that they are killed at all. Fuck cares.....
Now it's that they aren't killed uncruely.. nature doesn't spare them that either. But if you're so caring you should walk around and shoot horses slowly starving to death in nature, because of a broken jaw or legs... If you discover a more efficient killing method you should make it known via MAIL.

[zerohour]

Buh, she keeps changing around the reason, first that they are killed at all. Fuck cares.....
Now it's that they aren't killed uncruely.. nature doesn't spare them that either. But if you're so caring you should walk around and shoot horses slowly starving to death in nature, because of a broken jaw or legs... If you discover a more efficient killing method you should make it known via MAIL.

Humans domesticated horses; we took them out of their natural environment. The horses being killed aren't wild horses. If we domesticate an animal for our own purposes (food), it is our responsibility to kill them in a humane way. Just because a predatory animal acts on instinct in the wild and savagely attacks its prey, doesn't mean that we should be able to abuse animals that we breed for our own use.

[Ace42X]

Fucking pussies. I've seen a horse get slaughtered for the table. Yes it's gory, but no more gory than any other method I would assume. And if it IS more horribly gory, then tish and fipsy on all you limp-wristed pansies. The only animal that should be kept off the table is people.

And maybe Fugu and the like if the preparation standards slip...

And another thing - which do you think is more cruel:

Braining a baby seal to make it into slippers, or me stuffing my foot up a live baby seal's rectum?

Eh?

[ASsman]

Humans domesticated horses; we took them out of their natural environment. The horses being killed aren't wild horses. If we domesticate an animal for our own purposes (food), it is our responsibility to kill them in a humane way. Just because a predatory animal acts on instinct in the wild and savagely attacks its prey, doesn't mean that we should be able to abuse animals that we breed for our own use.
Meh, doesn't mean ANYTHING. As soon as horses create a democratic government and choose to make a bill of rights, then I'll start bitching about horses getting killed quicker than if they died of old age. And like I said before if you have found a more profitable and "quicker" way to kill them, and why aren't you crying about horses living crappy ass lives living in enclosed quarters walking on their own shit? Cause they ARE animals, and have simply continued to live in their dumb simple lives as a little girls pet.

[EN[i]GMA]

that i find it harsh,horses are way more intelligent then cow or sheep,in my opinion.I did eat it one time in my life.And it was good! But ,i try to avoid !
Horses are better when you ride them then when you eat them!!

Well when a horse becomes smart enough to inform me that it would like to not be eaten, I'll oblige.

Until then, it's horse meat for dinner.

[EN[i]GMA]

You missed the point. If you read the article (http://www.zerohour.com/essayhorse.htm), it’s the manner in which they are slaughtered and treated that should get your attention. And that if other countries use them for food, that's fine, but they shouldn't be able to slaughter horses in America, they should do it on their own soil. It has nothing to do with the fact that American society says 'horses aren't for eating.'

I did read the article and I thought all the reasons sucked.

Their treatment isn't at all unique or particularly bad.

I don't care at all where they're slaughtered. It's not relevent.

[cosmo105]

Not while half the world's starving, I'd say.
what about the fact that the cattle in the world eat enough grain to feed the world something like 8 times over? hell if i can find the exact figure, but it's ridiculous.

Americans waste enough food to end hunger worldwide anyway.

[ms.peachy]

what about the fact that the cattle in the world eat enough grain to feed the world something like 8 times over? hell if i can find the exact figure, but it's ridiculous.

Americans waste enough food to end hunger worldwide anyway.

World hunger is a bit of a red herring argument, as hunger is not a lack-of-food problem per se, but a political one. You are correct though that the return ratio for acreage used for grain fed to cattle is negative.

[Bob]

what about the fact that the cattle in the world eat enough grain to feed the world something like 8 times over? hell if i can find the exact figure, but it's ridiculous.

Americans waste enough food to end hunger worldwide anyway.

i was under the impression that we already have enough food to feed the world three times over. it's not a problem of production, it's a problem of distribution. if we started eating the grain instead of feeding the cattle, wouldn't we just waste that food too?

[cosmo105]

not necessarily. of course the livestock alive today should be ued toward that end (except for the fact that they're injected so full of steroids and hormones i wouldn't feed them to a dog). if we stopped the mass farming of cattle and breeding, eventually that would cut down on their numbers.

in the end i think it just goes to show how backwards we are as a society when it's all about the bottom line and we consider ourselves advanced because of the weapons we have against each other when we can't even feed ourselves.

[fucktopgirl]

i was under the impression that we already have enough food to feed the world three times over. it's not a problem of production, it's a problem of distribution.


totally agree,there is food available to feed everybody but distribution is the problem that is cause by the careless of imbecile in control that could be doing much more then shooting bomb and missil!Or like in africa(i know its a typic example )you know there some small village who have to walk half a day to get water.That is insane,why not dig a well,then they could be able to farm land and be self sufficient. but no,let the gap between pooor an rich grow bigger.Let them suffer and died of hunger .
i mean its really a disaster that in 2005 ,there is still kids who died because they dont have rice in their plate .

[baltogrl71]

I kill everything for sport. Especially those fuckers who try to convert me by knocking on my door. :mad: :mad: :mad:
nice, go get some therapy.

[baltogrl71]

totally agree,there is food available to feed everybody but distribution is the problem that is cause by the careless of imbecile in control that could be doing much more then shooting bomb and missil!Or like in africa(i know its a typic example )you know there some small village who have to walk half a day to get water.That is insane,why not dig a well,then they could be able to farm land and be self sufficient. but no,let the gap between pooor an rich grow bigger.Let them suffer and died of hunger .
i mean its really a disaster that in 2005 ,there is still kids who died because they dont have rice in their plate .
what do you do to help these people?

[sam i am]

what do you do to help these people?

Yes.

Let's uproot them and "teach" them and "civilize" them to live where they don't want to....just cuz it's more convenient to feed them and keep them alive where "we" want them to......

[racer5.0stang]

what about the fact that the cattle in the world eat enough grain to feed the world something like 8 times over? hell if i can find the exact figure, but it's ridiculous.

Americans waste enough food to end hunger worldwide anyway.


I saw an article one time showing companies dumping excess grain into the ocean to keep prices down. Seems to me that it should have been given to third and fourth world countries.

I wonder when people will become offended at the way peas are picked or any other vegetable for that matter.

[ASsman]

I think it would be more american to set excess crop ablaze infront of said 3rd world countries...

[Ali]

I think it would be more american to set excess crop ablaze infront of said 3rd world countries...I second that. Pollution and waste.

[racer5.0stang]

I think it would be more american to set excess crop ablaze infront of said 3rd world countries...

A new group has been formed:

People For the Ethical Treatment of Vegetables.

They are totally against crop burnings.

[wanton wench]

A new group has been formed:

People For the Ethical Treatment of Vegetables.

They are totally against crop burnings.
save the potatoes, kill more cows
heheheheehehehehehehahahaheheaheah
:D

[sam i am]

save the potatoes, kill more cows
heheheheehehehehehehahahaheheaheah
:D

That's like the commercials where the chickens are in charge and keep saying "eat more beef." :p

[wanton wench]

That's like the commercials where the chickens are in charge and keep saying "eat more beef." :p
yeah kinda! but i imagined mr. potatoe head saying it! :D

[sam i am]

yeah kinda! but i imagined mr. potatoe head saying it! :D

Would Potato head have Don Rickles voice, ala Toy Story?

THAT would be cool....

[wanton wench]

Would Potato head have Don Rickles voice, ala Toy Story?

THAT would be cool....
that was the voice in my head! tee hee

[sam i am]

that was the voice in my head! tee hee

Maybe we could get Wallace Shawn to do the T-Rex and he could say : "Don't hunt Dinosaurs, either!"


InconCEIVable!

[wanton wench]

INCONCEIVABLE!
:D

[sam i am]

INCONCEIVABLE!
:D

Ok.....name that reference.....

[wanton wench]

Ok.....name that reference.....
the princess bride!

[sam i am]

the princess bride!

True story....you win a cee-gar!

I love the scene where they're playing for the girl's life and they're going back and forth about the poison in the drinks....classic!

[wanton wench]

True story....you win a cee-gar!

I love the scene where they're playing for the girl's life and they're going back and forth about the poison in the drinks....classic!
i o cane powder! i've been building up an immunity to it my whole life!
:D