Can Bush Come Back?

[sam i am]

See attached :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051113/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_comeback_or_not

Good points on both sides. Some Prez's had even lower approval ratings and larger scandals, yet came back much stronger. Is Bush capable of this? What would it take? A massive restructuring of his team? A big victory (of some kind) in Iraq?

[QueenAdrock]

It would take an amazing victory in Iraq and a quick and safe return of the troops, as well as pulling Osama Bin Laden out of his ass. That's the only thing I can think of that would make up for indictments, a bloody war, and whatever else that's happened.

[Ali]

See attached :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051113/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_comeback_or_not

Good points on both sides. Some Prez's had even lower approval ratings and larger scandals, yet came back much stronger. Is Bush capable of this? What would it take? A massive restructuring of his team? A big victory (of some kind) in Iraq?Another 9/11?

Worked last time...

[D_Raay]

NO

[ASsman]

Are you trying to say that the US is as stupid or stupider than past USs's's, you're probably right so Im thinking he might pull something off like a giant banner saying "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.... fo sho this time"

[sam i am]

Are you trying to say that the US is as stupid or stupider than past USs's's, you're probably right so Im thinking he might pull something off like a giant banner saying "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.... fo sho this time"

LMAO.

Maybe the next Democrat presidential nominee will be able to beat the crap out of the next Republican presidential nominee? Who will they be, do ya think?

[DroppinScience]

Good points on both sides. Some Prez's had even lower approval ratings and larger scandals, yet came back much stronger. Is Bush capable of this? What would it take? A massive restructuring of his team? A big victory (of some kind) in Iraq?

True, Reagan and Clinton both recovered. But then again, Nixon could not recover...

[sam i am]

True, Reagan and Clinton both recovered. But then again, Nixon could not recover...

After the Prez's speech this weekend, regarding the pre-war intelligence, etc., do you believe that he is as criminally culpable as Nixon? Do you believe that the opposition (and most intelligence agencies around the world) had the same info. and (mostly) made the same conclusions regarding Sadaam and WMD's?

Or was it all a big conspiracy from the beginning and the Democrats and foreign governments played along in order to embarrass the US and the Prez now?

[D_Raay]

After the Prez's speech this weekend, regarding the pre-war intelligence, etc., do you believe that he is as criminally culpable as Nixon? Do you believe that the opposition (and most intelligence agencies around the world) had the same info. and (mostly) made the same conclusions regarding Sadaam and WMD's?

Or was it all a big conspiracy from the beginning and the Democrats and foreign governments played along in order to embarrass the US and the Prez now?
Actually, the Democrats that DID vote for the war did not have the whole scope of the intelligence and were mislead. There was a small caviat they could have/may have been looked into, but the actual whole of that info wasn't released until just recently.

So, they had already planned to go to war and probably knew that they didn't have the justification. It was just a matter of fooling the right people for just long enough to get us entrenched in the situation making the whole reasoning behind going to war a mute point in the present.

Masterfully played, especially with outcry from various people before the war.
Shame on the Democrats for actually trusting the administration, and underestimating the depth of it's disingenuousness.

[sam i am]

Actually, the Democrats that DID vote for the war did not have the whole scope of the intelligence and were mislead. There was a small caviat they could have/may have been looked into, but the actual whole of that info wasn't released until just recently.

So, they had already planned to go to war and probably knew that they didn't have the justification. It was just a matter of fooling the right people for just long enough to get us entrenched in the situation making the whole reasoning behind going to war a mute point in the present.

Masterfully played, especially with outcry from various people before the war.
Shame on the Democrats for actually trusting the administration, and underestimating the depth of it's disingenuousness.

Was it criminal? What should he be prosecuted under?

Were the Democrats really THAT stupid?

[DroppinScience]

After the Prez's speech this weekend, regarding the pre-war intelligence, etc., do you believe that he is as criminally culpable as Nixon? Do you believe that the opposition (and most intelligence agencies around the world) had the same info. and (mostly) made the same conclusions regarding Sadaam and WMD's?

Or was it all a big conspiracy from the beginning and the Democrats and foreign governments played along in order to embarrass the US and the Prez now?

I just hope I hear Bush go: "You won't have George Dubya to kick around anymore!"

:D

[sam i am]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/bush_administration

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More from Bush....

What do make of these countercharges from Bush....that the whole Democratic leadership is simply playing politics? Will it boost his poll numbers and/or help Republicans in local races in 2006?

[Documad]

Americans have no attention span and they just like to win. Americans aren't mad that the administration lied and misled. They loved the war when Americans were zooming through Iraq and we could watch the interesting photos on TV. They would believe anything the administration said, without question, as long as it was easy and painless. But now American kids are dying, we're all sick of seeing it on TV, and these crazy Iraqis seem to dislike us. It's not fun anymore. And the media is even worse than the American public.

Yes, the democrats were gutless and few of them stood up for what was right when it counted. Just like with the first gulf war. Just like with Vietnam. You can't speak against the president when the president wants to go to war without looking like a commie.

God bless Paul Wellstone. I'll never forget hearing his speech on the radio when he voted against he first gulf war. All kinds of politicians secretly admired him but none of them have the balls to emulate him.

[D_Raay]

Americans have no attention span and they just like to win. Americans aren't mad that the administration lied and misled. They loved the war when Americans were zooming through Iraq and we could watch the interesting photos on TV. They would believe anything the administration said, without question, as long as it was easy and painless. But now American kids are dying, we're all sick of seeing it on TV, and these crazy Iraqis seem to dislike us. It's not fun anymore. And the media is even worse than the American public.

Yes, the democrats were gutless and few of them stood up for what was right when it counted. Just like with the first gulf war. Just like with Vietnam. You can't speak against the president when the president wants to go to war without looking like a commie.

God bless Paul Wellstone. I'll never forget hearing his speech on the radio when he voted against he first gulf war. All kinds of politicians secretly admired him but none of them have the balls to emulate him.

Yes and he is dead now. A shame but a reality. The democrats died with him.

[D_Raay]

Was it criminal? What should he be prosecuted under?

Were the Democrats really THAT stupid?
Absolutely it's criminal. You wouldn't call lying to start a war criminal?

The Cold War has served important functions for state managers. When a government stimulus was needed for a faltering economy or to foster new and costly technologies, state managers could conjure up Russian hordes on the march to induce the public to expand the subsidy to advanced industry via the Pentagon. Forceful intervention and subversion to bar independent nationalism in the Third World could be justified in the same terms, and there were ancillary benefits in maintaining US influence over its allies. Quite generally, the Evil Empire has been invoked when needed for domestic economic management and for controlling the world system. A replacement will not be easy to find.

Now we have it don't we? Al-Qaeda. Who's leader is most likely dead.

Nothing has been forthright from the beginning, and 9/11 is being thrown around as so much party favors by the right wing. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Now is not the time for fear or partisanship. Now is the time to move on as a country and see just why anyone would want to attack us, if that is what actually occured. My guess is not likely.

[sam i am]

Absolutely it's criminal. You wouldn't call lying to start a war criminal?

The Cold War has served important functions for state managers. When a government stimulus was needed for a faltering economy or to foster new and costly technologies, state managers could conjure up Russian hordes on the march to induce the public to expand the subsidy to advanced industry via the Pentagon. Forceful intervention and subversion to bar independent nationalism in the Third World could be justified in the same terms, and there were ancillary benefits in maintaining US influence over its allies. Quite generally, the Evil Empire has been invoked when needed for domestic economic management and for controlling the world system. A replacement will not be easy to find.

Now we have it don't we? Al-Qaeda. Who's leader is most likely dead.

Nothing has been forthright from the beginning, and 9/11 is being thrown around as so much party favors by the right wing. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Now is not the time for fear or partisanship. Now is the time to move on as a country and see just why anyone would want to attack us, if that is what actually occured. My guess is not likely.

I guess my only question is : WHY is it important to find out "...why anyone would want to attack us.."?

The Japanese attacked us so they could ATTEMPT to maintain their flow of oil in Asia. Al-Qaeda attacked us because they THOUGHT we'd be gutless wonders, like we mostly had been since Vietnam, and NOT go after Bin-Laden. After all, the Soviets cut and ran in Afghanistan. We cut and ran after the First Gulf War. We did jackshit after the 1993 Twin Towers bombing....and we PROSECUTED, not killed, those responsible for the bombing of the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie.

You think Bin Laden and his cohorts didn't watch us cringe in fright at the thought of terrorism all those years? They RECENTLY posted yet another missive stating how cowardly the US is.

Even "beaten," they're brazen enough to call us out on our national psychoses that prevent us from embracing our mandate, rather we bask in the glow of self-beration and emasculation, pondering how we can "all just get along" and how we'd be "safe" if we all just UNDERSTOOD each other....

[D_Raay]

I guess my only question is : WHY is it important to find out "...why anyone would want to attack us.."?

The Japanese attacked us so they could ATTEMPT to maintain their flow of oil in Asia. Al-Qaeda attacked us because they THOUGHT we'd be gutless wonders, like we mostly had been since Vietnam, and NOT go after Bin-Laden. After all, the Soviets cut and ran in Afghanistan. We cut and ran after the First Gulf War. We did jackshit after the 1993 Twin Towers bombing....and we PROSECUTED, not killed, those responsible for the bombing of the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie.

You think Bin Laden and his cohorts didn't watch us cringe in fright at the thought of terrorism all those years? They RECENTLY posted yet another missive stating how cowardly the US is.

Even "beaten," they're brazen enough to call us out on our national psychoses that prevent us from embracing our mandate, rather we bask in the glow of self-beration and emasculation, pondering how we can "all just get along" and how we'd be "safe" if we all just UNDERSTOOD each other....

Again you are coming from a different perspective than I am. I do not believe Bin Laden is alive, and I think that Zarquawi is nothing more than a boogey man created by those involved to create fear.

[SobaViolence]

sure as hell hope not...

[sam i am]

Again you are coming from a different perspective than I am. I do not believe Bin Laden is alive, and I think that Zarquawi is nothing more than a boogey man created by those involved to create fear.

So you've totally gone to the Dark Side and believe it all to be conspiracy?

Please, D_Raay, come back to sanity and discuss.....please?

[D_Raay]

So you've totally gone to the Dark Side and believe it all to be conspiracy?

Please, D_Raay, come back to sanity and discuss.....please?
Prove to me that Bin Laden is alive. My sanity would be viewed as more stable than yours if looked at by an impartial source. Either way I care little, I keep all options on the table and provide information when I can or see fit. Belief is not important, and not for me to establish for you...

[wrongwayandugg]

i hope he can because i just can't get enough of him. and that guacamole that laura be making with the lemon twist 86 the lime. hoo wee. now that will put hemorrhoids on your ass.

[sam i am]

i hope he can because i just can't get enough of him.

Why, thank you SOOOOO much.....

Can't get enough of you, either, sweetheart :D

L&K!! :rolleyes:

[sam i am]

Prove to me that Bin Laden is alive. My sanity would be viewed as more stable than yours if looked at by an impartial source. Either way I care little, I keep all options on the table and provide information when I can or see fit. Belief is not important, and not for me to establish for you...

PROVE to me that you are alive....

Go ahead....

PROVE it!

[Ali]

Maybe the Buddhists are right and Bush will come back as a young Palestinian boy, live in Gaza, get recruited by Hamas, have his head filled with mad ideas and go and blow himself up in Jerusalem.

[sam i am]

Maybe the Buddhists are right and Bush will come back as a young Palestinian boy, live in Gaza, get recruited by Hamas, have his head filled with mad ideas and go and blow himself up in Jerusalem.

ali....

are you really theorizing on the Buddhist concept of multiple lives?

I thought all you had was disdain for those who had any faith? :confused:

[DroppinScience]

I thought all you had was disdain for those who had any faith? :confused:

Silly. That's disdain for all Christian faiths. :rolleyes:

[sam i am]

Silly. That's disdain for all Christian faiths. :rolleyes:

Nope.

He said he didn't give a shit if swastikas were painted on Jewish temples or if the Koran was flushed down the toilet.

He just doesn't have ANY respect. Period.

[fucktopgirl]

Nope.

He said he didn't give a shit if swastikas were painted on Jewish temples or if the Koran was flushed down the toilet.

He just doesn't have ANY respect. Period.


do you have respect

[sam i am]

do you have respect

Absolutely.

You weren't around when I had my "respect" thread, but I did a STUNNING imitation of Aretha Franklin.

This boy has mad pipes!

[Ali]

ali....

are you really theorizing on the Buddhist concept of multiple lives?

I thought all you had was disdain for those who had any faith? :confused:You don't need faith to be a Buddhist, amigro.

You need courage.

As for respect, I don't respect religions which don't respect other religions.

They don't deserve respect.

[ASsman]

I'm gonna send him a bag of Rold Gold.

[sam i am]

You don't need faith to be a Buddhist, amigro.

You need courage.

As for respect, I don't respect religions which don't respect other religions.

They don't deserve respect.

Fair enough.

So.....you ascribe to Buddhism?

Hmmmm.....

That could be an interesting topic on another thread. There are a number of Buddhist philosopgies that are appealing in and of themselves.

Just as a starting point, do you lend any credence to the story of Jesus travelling to the East during those years in his life not accounted for in the Bible....and that he may have met and influenced Buddha?

[Funkaloyd]

That's one hell of a strange theory. He may as well have travelled West and met up with Socrates, or travelled East to meet Muhammad.

[fucktopgirl]

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Just as a starting point, do you lend any credence to the story of Jesus travelling to the East during those years in his life not accounted for in the Bible....and that he may have met and influenced Buddha?[/QUOTE]


there we go,now jesus influence bouddha,pahaha!And like you said this theory is not account for,so its could be a bunch of lunatic who believe that jesus was everything and wanted to take out the credibility of buddha!

[yeahwho]

I'm gonna send him a bag of Rold Gold.

I'll get him a Segway (http://www.glennbeck.com/picoftheday/06-13-03-pod.jpg)!

[ASsman]

I'll get him a Segway (http://www.glennbeck.com/picoftheday/06-13-03-pod.jpg)!
Looks like bushy could use the optional 3rd wheel on that bad boy.

[yeahwho]

Run, Forrest Run!

[Ali]

Just as a starting point, do you lend any credence to the story of Jesus travelling to the East during those years in his life not accounted for in the Bible....and that he may have met and influenced Buddha?I think that he went East with the three wise guys who pitched up at his first birthday partay, after following that star.

I have e theory about the star, too, but it's way nutjob.

Jesus is supposed to have travelled through India and Tibet in his youth, during the lost years when he disappears from the Bible. There are stories of a person fitting his description arriving in Kashmir and studying at a Buddhist monastery there... as well as stories of a foreigner in Buddhist monasteries in Tibet, named "Issa (http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/JesusNAM.html)" who is supposed to have been Jesus - but could have been anyone. There's a lot of fierce debate and very little proof, so browse carefully!

One thing's for sure, if he had met Buddha (which he didn't, as Lord Buddha died 480 years before Jesus was born), he's the one who would have been influenced, not the Buddha. Perhaps he met one of the incarnations of the Buddha, perhaps he became Buddhist and later formed his own brand of spirituality, but Jesus was definitely a bodhisattva, or at least a follower of the bodi path. Ironically, Buddhists believe him to have been posessed by a demon after his death, because it's only posessed people who get up and walk after they die!

Anyway... back to Bush.

[sam i am]

I think that he went East with the three wise guys who pitched up at his first birthday partay, after following that star.

I have e theory about the star, too, but it's way nutjob.

Jesus is supposed to have travelled through India and Tibet in his youth, during the lost years when he disappears from the Bible. There are stories of a person fitting his description arriving in Kashmir and studying at a Buddhist monastery there... as well as stories of a foreigner in Buddhist monasteries in Tibet, named "Issa (http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/JesusNAM.html)" who is supposed to have been Jesus - but could have been anyone. There's a lot of fierce debate and very little proof, so browse carefully!

One thing's for sure, if he had met Buddha (which he didn't, as Lord Buddha died 480 years before Jesus was born), he's the one who would have been influenced, not the Buddha. Perhaps he met one of the incarnations of the Buddha, perhaps he became Buddhist and later formed his own brand of spirituality, but Jesus was definitely a bodhisattva, or at least a follower of the bodi path. Ironically, Buddhists believe him to have been posessed by a demon after his death, because it's only posessed people who get up and walk after they die!

Anyway... back to Bush.

C'mon....do we REALLY have to go back to Bush?

I like the "idea" of Jesus travelling East, but as you say....it's fraught with peril to go down that road since there exists so little empirical evidence.

As for Jesus actually living and inspiring the New Testament....do you believe he actually existed or are you one who ascribes to the view that he is a conglomeration of people that has been mythologized into one person?

[sam i am]

[QUOTE

Just as a starting point, do you lend any credence to the story of Jesus travelling to the East during those years in his life not accounted for in the Bible....and that he may have met and influenced Buddha?


there we go,now jesus influence bouddha,pahaha!And like you said this theory is not account for,so its could be a bunch of lunatic who believe that jesus was everything and wanted to take out the credibility of buddha![/QUOTE]


That's why I asked it as a question - notice I did not posit it as fact, but rather as theory only.

SOMETIMES, it's fun to philosophize and not take opurselves so damn seriously.

I mean, REALLY, how much can we really say about Bush anyways?

[Funkaloyd]

[sam i am]

Can Jesus Come Back?

You Betcha!

[Ali]

You Betcha!He'd be declared an enemy combatant if he came back.

I seriously doubt he'd approve of the treatment of Palestinians and the occupation of Iraq, amongst other things.

And if he said so, and people listened, the Israelis and the Americans wouldn't be too pleased, would they.

He'd end up in a Black Site and be tortured to death.

Again :rolleyes:

Anybody see a parallel between the Romans and the Americans? Maybe the Messiah is coming back, and the delicious irony is that the people who are going to crucify him this time are the ones who claim to follow him! :p