w/o Def Jam [Archive] - Beastie Boys Message Board

Weezman

11-15-2005, 10:27 PM

I ask my fellow b-boys/b-girlies.....

without Def Jam, would the Beastie Boys have been as successful and considered pioneers, legends, grandmaster M.C.s!!?

I say hell, yeah!! I think they would have been just as good without Def Jam.

It amazes me that even RUN DMC (Russells brother Run) was not on Def Jam.....and they took there shot and did it.

Was Russell that much of a jag-off that he and his brother didnt click at one time?

Was Ric Rubin the key master to what is now today:
The Beastie Boys (as MC's)?

- Weez ;)

CrazyEddie

11-16-2005, 10:05 AM

I ask my fellow b-boys/b-girlies.....

without Def Jam, would the Beastie Boys have been as successful and considered pioneers, legends, grandmaster M.C.s!!?

I say hell, yeah!! I think they would have been just as good without Def Jam.

It amazes me that even RUN DMC (Russells brother Run) was not on Def Jam.....and they took there shot and did it.

Was Russell that much of a jag-off that he and his brother didnt click at one time?

Was Ric Rubin the key master to what is now today:
The Beastie Boys (as MC's)?

- Weez ;)

Not at all Russel Simmons signed Run DMC to Rush Productions, his own management company at the time, there was no Def Jam yet so he couldn't sign them that's why Run DMC signed to Profile Records in '83 but they were managed by Russel Simmons.

Def Jam didn't begin until 1984.

Weezman

11-16-2005, 10:22 AM

So aside from any label.... do you think they would have found stardom....considering how mult-talented they all are?

buddmonkey

11-16-2005, 10:27 AM

Yes, because even without DefJam, they would have probably still ran into the Dust Brothers, and made Pauls Boutique..... (y)

Weezman

11-16-2005, 10:45 AM

Yes, because even without DefJam, they would have probably still ran into the Dust Brothers, and made Pauls Boutique..... (y)

Considering Pauls Boutique didnt do so well at that time? And if it did grab the attention of a few fans..which it did, maybe more. Would it had been a major debut impact as LTI? Id like to think so. (y)

Laver1969

11-16-2005, 11:19 AM

This is a good question.

Rick and DefJam really put them on the map. It's obvious the guys have serious talent and creativity but would they have had the tenacity to continue to explore it, if they had never been thrust into the big time?

They've recently mentioned they never expected to be around 24 months...let alone 24 years. So I entertain the thought that they just might have settled into "real" jobs...and may not have become the legends they are without the fast track that Rick/DefJam put them on.

midzi

11-16-2005, 11:41 AM

Yes, because even without DefJam, they would have probably still ran into the Dust Brothers, and made Pauls Boutique..... (y)

There would be no Paul's Boutique without Licensed to Ill. I think they learned a lot from LTI era experience.

roosta

11-16-2005, 12:03 PM

lifes too short to ponder what ifs....

especially what ifs about the beastie boys......

Weezman

11-16-2005, 12:07 PM

There would be no Paul's Boutique without Licensed to Ill. I think they learned a lot from LTI era experience.

i agree... (y)
weather there was good or bad times in Def Jam University....the boys learned alot about the business and music. :rolleyes:

funkdoc2005

11-16-2005, 12:20 PM

To me if they had stayed with Def Jam they would have faded out because Def Jam would have just made them do rap. I think even without Def Jam they would have eventually got big.

Laver1969

11-16-2005, 12:42 PM

lifes too short to ponder what ifs....

especially what ifs about the beastie boys......

Then you better get your ass back to BF.

Weezman

11-16-2005, 12:53 PM

Then you better get your ass back to BF.

:) (y) Has to be a guy from Chicago!!

Weezman

11-16-2005, 12:55 PM

To me if they had stayed with Def Jam they would have faded out because Def Jam would have just made them do rap. I think even without Def Jam they would have eventually got big.

(y)
i see your point! they have way too much talent to stay in one genres of music.

roosta

11-16-2005, 01:13 PM

Then you better get your ass back to BF.

nah, i enjoy the beastie boys

just, life is too short for what ifs....

PaddyBoy

11-16-2005, 05:19 PM

Theres no way the BBoys would have been as big without Def Jam. They were lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time when Rick & Russell started the label. Thats not to underestimate their talent or anything, but this question is silly anyway.

Without Def Jam, no LTI --> no big contract with Capitol --> no PB? No fame or recognition or threads on a message board about them. Who knows?

paulb

11-16-2005, 05:33 PM

you know, we always blame Russell for stealing money and shit and dissin him with Def Jam...but where did Rick play a part in this? thanks to Rick, there was no Bboy movie... why does Rick slide under the radar?

Weezman

11-16-2005, 05:40 PM

Theres no way the BBoys would have been as big without Def Jam. They were lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time when Rick & Russell started the label. Thats not to underestimate their talent or anything, but this question is silly anyway.

Without Def Jam, no LTI --> no big contract with Capitol --> no PB? No fame or recognition or threads on a message board about them. Who knows?

im sure the boys would have made an Album....somehow. they were rhymin and stealing before and with ot without Rick or Russell. Def Jam just happen to pick them up 1st.

they had young driven potential back then....they had a mission

LTI would have been done by 3rd Base....it would have blowed ass, but it would have been big. And then it would have been the END of 3rd base.

cj hood

11-16-2005, 07:17 PM

a better question is what if they were still with Def Jam today???

Weezman

11-16-2005, 09:14 PM

a better question is what if they were still with Def Jam today???

They wouldnt be what they are today.....and we wouldnt have exsisted on this message board....we'd prorbaly be posting eachother on some other website like.......3rd base. :o nah, maybe not!!

i dont know, i cant see them with Def JAm.....there too fuckin talented to just be rappers...

what he said -------> Originally Posted by funkdoc2005
To me if they had stayed with Def Jam they would have faded out because Def Jam would have just made them do rap. I think even without Def Jam they would have eventually got big.

pip07

11-16-2005, 10:29 PM

a better question is what if they were still with Def Jam today???

LL Cool J x 3

Weezman

11-16-2005, 10:38 PM

LL Cool J x 3

i be like HELLO pip.....where u been??!! :)

Junker

11-17-2005, 04:31 AM

Considering Pauls Boutique didnt do so well at that time? And if it did grab the attention of a few fans..which it did, maybe more. Would it had been a major debut impact as LTI? Id like to think so. (y)

I dont think so dude!!!

Paul's Boutique is an album ahead of its time.

Even if you listen to it today its still ahead of our time. This album is ahead anytime .......... Its an album that you're gonna appreciate only after reach some experience in music.

Paul's Boutique = the most fucking creative and innovative album ever

Weezman

11-17-2005, 08:22 AM

1. I dont think so dude!!!

Paul's Boutique is an album ahead of its time.

Even if you listen to it today its still ahead of our time. This album is ahead anytime .......... 2. Its an album that you're gonna appreciate only after reach some experience in music.Paul's Boutique = the most fucking creative and innovative album ever

1. you dont think so?! what are you refering to?

2. i agree 100% PB is also my fav album. Yes i have listened to it....many times

The question was: Would it had been a major debut impact as LTI? :D

Junker

11-17-2005, 09:23 AM

1. you dont think so?! what are you refering to?

2. i agree 100% PB is also my fav album. Yes i have listened to it....many times

The question was: Would it had been a major debut impact as LTI? :D

I answer your question Weez (well, I confess I wasnt so clear about it)

1) I dont think so. I dont think PB would have been a major debut impact as LTI because of those things I said.

Subculture

11-17-2005, 09:38 AM

Without Def Jam BBoys woulda just stayed a punk band. The end.

Weezman

11-17-2005, 10:00 AM

Without Def Jam BBoys woulda just stayed a punk band. The end.

FALSE!! The boys were ryhmin already, they were influenced on old school hip-hop....even in the days of The Young and the Useless.

Am i right....didnt we see this in the SGH interview? :rolleyes:

Weezman

11-17-2005, 10:06 AM

I answer your question Weez (well, I confess I wasnt so clear about it)

1) I dont think so. I dont think PB would have been a major debut impact as LTI because of those things I said.

dude your makin me listen to the entire PB, lp right now!! :eek:

3-minute rule....uuhh :p (y)

PaddyBoy

11-17-2005, 01:54 PM

Without Def Jam BBoys woulda just stayed a punk band. The end.

I tend to agree, I don't think they would have been picked up otherwise. Look at LL, he found it hard to get a deal, and he was dynamite on the mic.

This is all 'what ifs' anyway.....

Weezman

11-17-2005, 02:34 PM

Look at LL, .....

im lookin, i dont see half the talent..... of half a Beastie!!

come on.....give credit wear credits due... :rolleyes:

But if its any consulation, no LL w/o ADrock.

marshall10

11-17-2005, 04:00 PM

I don't think the B-boys would be what we know them as today, and I doubt they would be doing hip hop music.

Weezman

11-17-2005, 11:46 PM

Def Jam doesn't recognize me.... I'm Mike D the one who put the satin in your panties