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beastie fresh
11-16-2005, 09:05 PM
Punk is getting to be all this upbeat bullshit that gets overplayed to death. Look at all those bands people consider punk- Fallout Boy? Green Day? Blink 182? Come on these bands suck.. it seems like all punk is about now is "oh my gawd man lets mosh and cut our wrists!"
Vladimir
11-16-2005, 09:24 PM
Yeah, well basically mainstream "punk" has morphed into emo pop-rock, so what you're saying is in essence accurate except that it's not punk. I'm not sure there's such thing as punk rock anymore.
DroppinScience
11-17-2005, 02:57 AM
Why the incessant complaining over Green Day? I know your little sister is listening to them, but they're still a good band. Hate on them all you like, but at the very least the "American Idiot" album is of more substance than anything Fall Out Boy or Good Charlotte wrote.
ms.peachy
11-17-2005, 03:52 AM
... it seems like all punk is about now is "oh my gawd man lets mosh and cut our wrists!"

Please, sweetie. There hasn't been 'real' punk rock since before you were born. Every generation since 1976 seems to have to go through this "those guys are a bunchof posers" phase. It's old, it's done, don't waste your time with it. You like something or you don't. And it's perfectly fine to like what you do, and not like what you don't. But the world is not all that interested in yet another "what is true punk" debate, I promise.
alexandra
11-17-2005, 07:21 AM
i still don't understand how Avril can be considered as a "punk-chick" when she doesn't even know who the Sex Pistols are. but i guess it's just suppose to be that way...
pshabi
11-17-2005, 07:51 AM
Punk is getting to be all this upbeat bullshit that gets overplayed to death. Look at all those bands people consider punk- Fallout Boy? Green Day? Blink 182? Come on these bands suck.. it seems like all punk is about now is "oh my gawd man lets mosh and cut our wrists!"
Punk was the new pop like 3 years ago.
Subculture
11-17-2005, 09:26 AM
Why is this surprising? Everything that get popular eventually gets gobbled up by big corporations and served in a cute cuddly way for 12 year old girls to consume. But punk as a movement died in the early 80s and pop punk isnt new either actually The Clash showed signs of it themselves when punk was actually dangerous. That doesnt mean it has to be bad. I have American Idiot in my collection next to my black flag albums. It is possible to liek themboth.
Darko
11-17-2005, 12:48 PM
As long as I got the self-titled Clash album and Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables, people can do punk however they want these days.
DroppinScience
11-17-2005, 12:57 PM
One other thing that's important to note.

There's always complaints that today's punk is all "pop"

Um, punk has always been pop music to an extent. All I need to say is look at the Ramones. They injected lots and lots of pop into their punk rock. They covered '50s and '60s pop songs in all their albums, so there you go.
SobaViolence
11-17-2005, 01:12 PM
'sugar, we're going down' is better than anything green day has released since '94. do i care about falldown whatever, no.

but green day are no talent hacks riding a one trick pony.
minorthreat
11-18-2005, 11:17 AM
punk as music is shit. punk as lifestyle is cool.

i embrace neither though - i'm far too square
DroppinScience
11-18-2005, 11:48 AM
punk as music is shit. punk as lifestyle is cool.

i embrace neither though - i'm far too square

Yet your username is of the seminal D.C. hardcore band. Hmmmm...
K-nowledge
11-18-2005, 08:06 PM
punk as music is shit. punk as lifestyle is cool.

i embrace neither though - i'm far too square

Um.... O.K. "minorthreat"
King PSYZ
11-18-2005, 09:57 PM
Please, sweetie. There hasn't been 'real' punk rock since before you were born. Every generation since 1976 seems to have to go through this "those guys are a bunchof posers" phase. It's old, it's done, don't waste your time with it. You like something or you don't. And it's perfectly fine to like what you do, and not like what you don't. But the world is not all that interested in yet another "what is true punk" debate, I promise.
you would really like the ifc film, PUNK: attitude (http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2005/Jul/EEN42cec8f17e252.html)
Henry Rollins said something pretty interesting about how punks are the most narrow minded music fans around.
DroppinScience
11-18-2005, 10:57 PM
you would really like the ifc film, PUNK: attitude (http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2005/Jul/EEN42cec8f17e252.html)
Henry Rollins said something pretty interesting about how punks are the most narrow minded music fans around.

Sad, but true.
yeahwho
11-21-2005, 04:14 PM
As far as Punk music being the new Pop? Yeah...I don't know, man there are a lot of derivative bands today, none of these so-called punkers could hold a candle to The Undertones or XTC, I mean these new "Alternative Rockers" just SUCK! I was watching Franz Ferdinand on Austin City Limits the other night and I just wanted to cry. DEVO had more going on in their coversongs.

Henry Rollins is a bit of a wank if yer askin' me. Fucking Full Blown Egomaniac.
ms.peachy
11-21-2005, 05:05 PM
Fucking Full Blown Egomaniac.

That's why we love him.
yeahwho
11-21-2005, 07:28 PM
That's why we love him.

Word, spoken word.
King PSYZ
11-21-2005, 07:37 PM
he's full of himself, but he's also pretty smart and does have an open mind when it comes to artistic music
Tzar
11-21-2005, 09:45 PM
*Cringes at the fact that Avril said on Tv that she was the next Sid Vicious*
pahahaha! yeah-fuckin'-right
ms.peachy
11-22-2005, 04:26 AM
vv3rd.

And speaking of The Clash, I get very angry hearing that Green Day is this era's -new- Clash.

*cringe*
I don't think that that's neccessarily an unfair comparison. The kind of criticism levelled at the Clash in their time is not all that dissimilar from that that Green Day currently draws. You may have a preference for one over the other, but that doesn't make the comparison inaccurate. We might look back now on the Clash with the rose-tinted lenses of nostalgia, but in their time they were not universally loved, and plenty of people were quite critical of the fact that these guys were essentially middle-class (which, in England, is apparently about the worst thing you can be).
scotty
11-22-2005, 06:23 AM
i still don't understand how Avril can be considered as a "punk-chick" when she doesn't even know who the Sex Pistols are. but i guess it's just suppose to be that way...

Hey , its post-modern. :D
yeahwho
11-22-2005, 07:07 AM
I don't think that that's neccessarily an unfair comparison. The kind of criticism levelled at the Clash in their time is not all that dissimilar from that that Green Day currently draws. You may have a preference for one over the other, but that doesn't make the comparison inaccurate. We might look back now on the Clash with the rose-tinted lenses of nostalgia, but in their time they were not universally loved, and plenty of people were quite critical of the fact that these guys were essentially middle-class (which, in England, is apparently about the worst thing you can be).

The Cash & GreedDay. Six, one half dozen, the other.
alexandra
11-22-2005, 08:55 AM
*Cringes at the fact that Avril said on Tv that she was the next Sid Vicious*
and Courtney Love's the next Dalai Lama.