T.T.L. version Desperado

[dust monkey]

I'm sure this has been a topic that has been beat to death but I don't have a lot of time to sort through the posts so sorry, and maybe someone out in la la land can finally help me.
Does anyone know if the full version studio mix of Desperado from Tougher Than Leather with the Good, Bad, and Ugly sample, slammin' 808 kick, clean sounding, guy that whispers ".....is the desperdo" exists and if so where can I get the full copy and not that other shitty-ass version that everyone and their brother has? That short clip from the movie is so freakin awesome and if I could only get that mix in the full version and full length my life would be complete and I'm sure that it would rank in the top 3 Beastie songs of all time right up there with Car Thief and Pass the Mic. (my favs anyway)
Several years ago I even went as far as contacting the then Def American record label while posing as an independent film maker requesting info on how to retain the rights to put this song in my faux film; hoping to God Rick Rubin would lead me in the right direction. Ok...what can I say except I was young, desperate, and just completely off my rocker but the lady did say that I had to apply for the rights and fill out much paperwork, mail it to them, wait, etc etc etc. Needless to say I did not pursue this because it was all BS but that is how BAD I want that mix. I remember when I scored the original Rock Hard on vinyl with the purple sleeve and I thought that was the greatest thing ever but I was wrong because that song pretty much sucks and the Desperado TTL mix is the only thing I see that nobody has.

Anyway too much rambling but if anyone could lead me in the right direction I would much appreciate it. In addition I would even be willing to part with that purple sleeve vinyl mentioned above in exchange for just a clean copy or MP3 off Desperado.....I'm not kidding, I swear I will give it too anyone that can help me score a copy of the studio cut....not that demo.

[DJ_Skrilla]

Several years ago I even went as far as contacting the then Def American record label while posing as an independent film maker requesting info on how to retain the rights to put this song in my faux film; hoping to God Rick Rubin would lead me in the right direction.

^^^Now thats hardcore.

As far as the perfect quality - join the club. Before the message board when there was just a usenet group (alt.music.beastie-boys) someone named Gwedo King was the one who said he had scored a tape of Desperado from the master vinyl, and he leaked out the full version to people via cassette through snail male. Now, back then, getting that full version was a definite score! The version you request only exists with RR if anyone, and that my friend IS the Holy Grail of Beastie songs... So be happy you even have the full version, and then go listen to Scenario, that song is very similar to Desperado. Gwedo King (Kenny) is still around but goes by "Guido King" here on the board. He's got some plenty of stories and perhaps a tape with the perfect version you desire... ...but I really doubt it. Although, it doesnt hurt to ask.

Told ya suckerz I'm an OG member.

[paulb]

i got like a full 3min 11sec version of it. and a 2:02min version of it. Did you want a copy of the mp3?

[Sir SkratchaLot]

^^^Now thats hardcore.

As far as the perfect quality - join the club. Before the message board when there was just a usenet group (alt.music.beastie-boys) someone named Gwedo King was the one who said he had scored a tape of Desperado from the master vinyl, and he leaked out the full version to people via cassette through snail male. Now, back then, getting that full version was a definite score! The version you request only exists with RR if anyone, and that my friend IS the Holy Grail of Beastie songs... So be happy you even have the full version, and then go listen to Scenario, that song is very similar to Desperado. Gwedo King (Kenny) is still around but goes by "Guido King" here on the board. He's got some plenty of stories and perhaps a tape with the perfect version you desire... ...but I really doubt it. Although, it doesnt hurt to ask.

Told ya suckerz I'm an OG member.

No, Guido King got that version on tape that origninally came from me, and then he acted like he "discovered" it and tried to be the Beastie man, haha. Its cool though. I was selling a copy of MCA and Burzootie on eBay along with a Beastie Boys mixtape I made called "Theories of the Boom Bip" as a bonus item. The Scenario demo was on that tape. One person won the auction and a few heads e-mailed me asking for the tape. You pretty much had to proove you were a head to me to get the shit cause I promised the guy I got it from that I wouldn't slut it around. I sent copies to Dustin, Princess G, a guy named Kevin, a guy named Dan, and a few other people. They all went out on Maxell tapes if I remember right.

There is no "Master Vinyl" of the scenario demo, and there is no "Master Tape" that any fan has. There's just dubs of the "Master Tape" that came from American Recordings. The original one I got from this dude Steve in California was hella quiet and I boosted the volume through the gain on my Rane 54 mixer and re-recorded it. That's where the hisssss comes into play.

[DJ_Skrilla]

There is no "Master Vinyl" of the scenario demo, and there is no "Master Tape" that any fan has. There's just dubs of the "Master Tape" that came from American Recordings.

Werd up so there is a Scenario Demo? I would like to hear that... What name did you go buy on the NG? I remember dustin and gwedo and scott I think... those were the only ones who posted a whole lot...

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Werd up so there is a Scenario Demo? I would like to hear that... What name did you go buy on the NG? I remember dustin and gwedo and scott I think... those were the only ones who posted a whole lot...

Superkool.

The Scenario "Demo" is just the stripped down, poor quality version, but its the full version. Its a rough cut as opposed to the polished version you hear bits of in the movie.

[DJ_Skrilla]

Superkool.

The Scenario "Demo" is just the stripped down, poor quality version, but its the full version. Its a rough cut as opposed to the polished version you hear bits of in the movie.

Your talking about Desperado? I have both versions. The "Scenario" is from the movie Pump up the Volume....

[brooklyndust]

so...............

does a clean version of the song exsist?

I have the full version thats been floating around (but it doesnt have the guy whispering "mike d is the despeardo")

is it a myth that a better version exsists? or do a few select beastie fans from back in the day have it?

lets have gudio comment on this too

if the beasties have it, this would be great shit to release in that "vault" they were going to have

or package it up and put a price tag on it, cause i would deffinetaly drop some cash for it

[dust monkey]

Your talking about Desperado? I have both versions. The "Scenario" is from the movie Pump up the Volume....


Yes I'm talking about Desperado.....not Scenerio. I have an "ok" version of Scenerio but to be quite honest that song is pretty weak considering. C Slater was pretty cool in PUTV but he just did the one verse....uhhhh which happens to be the only verse. Besides Schoolly D's P.S.K. is much better and it is the original where they got the beat so get that and forget about Scenerio.

Let's get back to that Holy Grail though, I'm still not real clear on the whole tape no whispering mix tape I sent it first thing. If the TTL "full" version was passed around on a cassette it's still got to be better than the low-fi demo that anyone can get...and has. In addition I'm sure one of those remix freaks could encode the cassette to an MP3 and adjust the levels in needed right? Although I can care less if it goes public and honestly would rather see it not because that is honestly the one BBoy item nobody can account for and is full of shit about the most when discussing it.

But for us mega-stalker-freak fans some trades between each other make sense; that is the only way I would part with it and the value of the item exchanged would have to be pretty high.......so given that I will up the ante.

In addition to the Rock Hard purple sleeve vinyl I was willing to part with for just a copy and I am also offering up my MCA and Burzootie Drum Machine vinyl, also with the purple Def Jam sleeve. Now you people that know anything know that those two records although not super rare are still quite difficult to score, not to mention there $$ value. The condition is this though, I need to hear at least 45 seconds of the last verse with the Good Bad and Ugly sample and with the "MCA is the Desperado" whisper, yes the verse not in TTL. That alone will be proof you have it and I will ship the vinyl.

Let me know, nadsat@sbcglobal.net.

[DJ_Skrilla]

dust monkey - Sir Skratch a Lot is saying the same thing, there is no better quality full version except the one that has the very low whispering chorus and hiss...

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Your talking about Desperado? I have both versions. The "Scenario" is from the movie Pump up the Volume....

Yep, iDesperdo not Scenario. Forget I ever said Scenario.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Again, there's only two versions of Desperado out there. The fully produced partial version that's taken directly off the movie. And the rough cut full version that came from my tape dub. The MP3s are just copies of the tape dub that have even worse quality. In fact I think Gwedo King even purposefully fucked with the versions he distributed so that he could track whether or not they came from him. The funny thing is, if I remember correctly, I cut out Rick Ruben talking at the begining when I made my dubs so I could track it. Haha!

P.S. if anybody ever comes across the full version that's fully produced hit me up because I got some more shit. PPS, don't hit me up if you don't have it. :)

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Yes I'm talking about Desperado.....not Scenerio. I have an "ok" version of Scenerio but to be quite honest that song is pretty weak considering. C Slater was pretty cool in PUTV but he just did the one verse....uhhhh which happens to be the only verse. Besides Schoolly D's P.S.K. is much better and it is the original where they got the beat so get that and forget about Scenerio.

Let's get back to that Holy Grail though, I'm still not real clear on the whole tape no whispering mix tape I sent it first thing. If the TTL "full" version was passed around on a cassette it's still got to be better than the low-fi demo that anyone can get...and has. In addition I'm sure one of those remix freaks could encode the cassette to an MP3 and adjust the levels in needed right? Although I can care less if it goes public and honestly would rather see it not because that is honestly the one BBoy item nobody can account for and is full of shit about the most when discussing it.

But for us mega-stalker-freak fans some trades between each other make sense; that is the only way I would part with it and the value of the item exchanged would have to be pretty high.......so given that I will up the ante.

In addition to the Rock Hard purple sleeve vinyl I was willing to part with for just a copy and I am also offering up my MCA and Burzootie Drum Machine vinyl, also with the purple Def Jam sleeve. Now you people that know anything know that those two records although not super rare are still quite difficult to score, not to mention there $$ value. The condition is this though, I need to hear at least 45 seconds of the last verse with the Good Bad and Ugly sample and with the "MCA is the Desperado" whisper, yes the verse not in TTL. That alone will be proof you have it and I will ship the vinyl.

Let me know, nadsat@sbcglobal.net.

Is that you Dustin? I was looking through my old e-mails. We had a crazy trade. That was when my homey had every Simpsons episode and you wanted the 22 stories episode. I sent you that Desperado tape and you sent me the Brooklyn Demos, an 82 live show, an 85 live show, paul's instrumentals. Damn. 1999!

[dust monkey]

Is that you Dustin? I was looking through my old e-mails. We had a crazy trade. That was when my homey had every Simpsons episode and you wanted the 22 stories episode. I sent you that Desperado tape and you sent me the Brooklyn Demos, an 82 live show, an 85 live show, paul's instrumentals. Damn. 1999!

Nope not Dustin!

Can't stand the Simpsons.....but too bad those Brooklyn demos are just demos ehh? Now that's some nice sounds with potential.

[dust monkey]

Again, there's only two versions of Desperado out there. The fully produced partial version that's taken directly off the movie. And the rough cut full version that came from my tape dub. The MP3s are just copies of the tape dub that have even worse quality. In fact I think Gwedo King even purposefully fucked with the versions he distributed so that he could track whether or not they came from him. The funny thing is, if I remember correctly, I cut out Rick Ruben talking at the begining when I made my dubs so I could track it. Haha!

P.S. if anybody ever comes across the full version that's fully produced hit me up because I got some more shit. PPS, don't hit me up if you don't have it. :)

I've read about restoration projects on films; like fans re-cutting one of the Star Wars and changing subtitles, cutting scenes, adding scenes, etc. Those remix guys spend so much time making beats for the acapellas, many of which are pretty cool, that I bet someone could "restore" Desperado using the low-fi full length tape dub and recreating the sounds and samples from the TTL clip. What do you think? Now if they had the right equipment and were skilled enough I bet it could be done and done pretty good. I unfortunetly am not skilled in that whatsoever, nor would I have the time I think.
Someone should try it and I will personally crown you the king of the remix board, not that it would mean anything but I would think you were pretty cool.
Awhile back using ACID I loaded Scenerio and put a loop of P.S.K. over it and tried to match the BPM; some sounded ok because P.S.K. was encoded so high but I could still here the beat from Scenerio in the background which kind of drowned out everything. Anyway it was a lot of work and I got hungry so I abandoned the project. Anyone ever hear of anyone else attempting this and if so did you hear it and if so how did it sound?

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I've thought about doing that with Desperado, but I don't know the guitar sample. I have the rest of the records. You're still going to get mixed results. You can't EQ out a beat because the frequency range is shared with the vocals at much of the range. When you filter out the lows and highs you'll loose some of the range of the vocals too. The best thing to do is probably layer on top of the tape, but then you're going to get some mud most likely.