Rap verses Hip Hop [Archive] - Beastie Boys Message Board

minijosh

12-01-2005, 05:32 PM

A friend and me got into an argument about the difference. To me, rap started in the 80's and stopped in the late 90's and that is where it went main stream and hip hop became the new word for rap. He disagrees with me by saying rap was hip hop from the beginning.

EN[i]GMA

12-01-2005, 07:53 PM

You're both wrong.

kleptomaniac

12-01-2005, 07:56 PM

my dad thinks some white chick started rap.

this was my face... :rolleyes:

Bob

12-01-2005, 08:12 PM

what exactly is the technical difference between rap and hip hop then? i've never figured it out. are they two different genres of music, or is it a "rap is something you listen to hip hop is something you live" type thing? or is it just a trick that black people play on white people to confuse us?

if that's what it is, it's working you jerks

kleptomaniac

12-01-2005, 08:14 PM

hip hop and rap are the same thing, aren't they?

just think....if they called it "rip rap"

Monsieur Decuts

12-01-2005, 08:35 PM

my dad thinks some white chick started rap.

this was my face... :rolleyes:

maybe he's refering to blonde? or that name game song?

hip hop is the culture

mcs rap
graffers graffitti
djs dj
bboys break...well in fact a bboy can do all the above

The temple of hip hop goes on to list more elements of the culture 9 in total..

Emeecing, Djing, B-Boys, B-Girls, Graffiti, street knowledge, street language, street fashion, beatboxing and street entrepreneurialism.

rapping is what hip hopers doo....

so in a sense rap is hip hop as graffitti is hip hop

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kleptomaniac

12-01-2005, 08:38 PM

maybe he's refering to blonde?

yup

^^^and you make a good point too (y) (y)

hip hop is the culture :cool:

ps-is this sposed to be political? what's it doing here? :confused:

Rich Cheney

12-01-2005, 08:41 PM

my dad thinks some white chick started rap.

this was my face... :rolleyes:

Fab 5 Freddy and Blondie - Rapture.

Tzar

12-01-2005, 08:44 PM

i read the title of this and said "what the fuck..." out loud.

Monsieur said it already.

Hip Hop = culture = MCing, DJing, Graffiti, Breaking (breakdancing)

Rap = well, you could just say it's MCing pretty much with DJs

Monsieur Decuts

12-01-2005, 08:45 PM

^ and when done well fucking kicks ass, obviously

Bob

12-01-2005, 08:49 PM

ah, ok. so then if i said "i like to listen to hip-hop", would i be retarded?

kleptomaniac

12-01-2005, 08:51 PM

ah, ok. so then if i said "i like to listen to hip-hop", would i be retarded?

it depends if you are or not.

EN[i]GMA

12-01-2005, 09:05 PM

ah, ok. so then if i said "i like to listen to hip-hop", would i be retarded?

Well, saying 'hip-hop' instead of 'rap' improves your 'white boy street cred' by 3 points. That's why I call it hip-hop.

STANKY808

12-01-2005, 09:51 PM

Can someone tell me where "funky" fits in with all of this?

Word.

ms.peachy

12-02-2005, 06:45 AM

Fab 5 Freddy and Blondie - Rapture.
Although it's clearly not the 'origin' of rap, I would argue that actually this record had a huge influence in the crossover of rap music into popular mainstream culture that shouldn't really be underestimated.

valvano

12-02-2005, 07:55 AM

actually, rap can trace its origins to square dancing and the calling out of dance moves to the beat of the music

Lipper

12-02-2005, 10:34 AM

Hip hop aint no freakin lifestyle. It's the corporatization of rap. Back in the day, when Biz Markie was rappin "make the music with your mouth" - THAT is rap. Today, the Ying Yang Twins, Lil John and the like, THAT is hip hop. I really feel almost as if Rap is dead, and this crappy hip hop thing has taken over.

ASsman

12-02-2005, 12:31 PM

WTF are you talking about?

Monsieur Decuts

12-02-2005, 12:36 PM

Qdrop

12-02-2005, 12:37 PM

this thread is an embarrasment to the board.

jesus fuckin christ.

can this thread BE any more "whitey trying to figure out rap"?

Monsieur Decuts

12-02-2005, 12:40 PM

this thread is an embarrasment to the board.

jesus fuckin christ.

can this thread BE any more "whitey trying to figure out rap"?

I lIkE EmIneM and LiNkEn PaRk

EN[i]GMA

12-02-2005, 02:28 PM

this thread is an embarrasment to the board.

jesus fuckin christ.

can this thread BE any more "whitey trying to figure out rap"?

I've watched Scratch at least a dozen times. I know shit as well a honky from the country can.

ASsman

12-02-2005, 06:16 PM

On a less stupid note. Autobahn on the History channel... KICK ASS!!

Reason number 4 Germany>USA.

valvano

12-03-2005, 11:29 AM

On a less stupid note. Autobahn on the History channel... KICK ASS!!

Reason number 4 Germany>USA.

What's your other 3 reasons?
the holocaust ? berlin wall ? heiniken?

:rolleyes:

I think the events of May of 1945 proved that the USA >>>>>>>>>Germany

ASsman

12-03-2005, 09:37 PM

What's your other 3 reasons?
the holocaust ? berlin wall ? heiniken?

:rolleyes:

I think the events of May of 1945 proved that the USA >>>>>>>>>Germany
No, Bush is the other 3 reasons. Nice try though...

Fast cars>USA

Lipper

12-03-2005, 11:33 PM

no, i believe most of this thread has no idea what they are talkin about. An above poster said it best with "whitey tryin to figure out rap"

Ali

12-03-2005, 11:38 PM

What's your other 3 reasons?
the holocaust ? berlin wall ? heiniken?

:rolleyes:

I think the events of May of 1945 proved that the USA >>>>>>>>>Germanyheiniken is German? Are you referring to Heineken, the Dutch beer? Are you stupid? Are you?

ASsman

12-04-2005, 10:41 AM

Aww man, Ali is a rabid dog bitting at the ankles of valvano... amusing...hahaha.

cj hood

12-04-2005, 10:58 AM

this again....

if you know the mc/groups..dj's name, then he/they are hiphop.......if you don't know the dj's name, they are top40 crap-rap!!!

Bob

12-04-2005, 02:32 PM

this thread is an embarrasment to the board.

jesus fuckin christ.

can this thread BE any more "whitey trying to figure out rap"?

yeah man how dare they. go back to your toby keith records whitey!

edit: hey wait a minute, didn't this used to be in other music?

ASsman

12-04-2005, 02:35 PM

Honkeys.

Salmalek bitches.

Ali

12-05-2005, 05:34 AM

Aww man, Ali is a rabid dog bitting at the ankles of valvano... amusing...hahaha.He brings out the worst in me.

sam i am

12-05-2005, 02:39 PM

This is my favorite political board discussion of all time....

Hands down....

Word....wait....is that TOO honkey?

zerohour

12-06-2005, 09:54 PM

An early version of Beats, Rhymes and Life found the 25-year-old Queens, N.Y., native uttering the Rap blasphemy, "Hip-Hop could never be a way of life/ It doesn't teach you how to raise a child or treat a wife." The lines have since been removed because, Q-Tip says, "I think I spoke hastily. ... What I should have said is just that there's another way of life that supersedes Hip-Hop, because there are traits in Hip-Hop that don't hit a code of moral standards."

K-nowledge

12-06-2005, 11:57 PM

It's all because "hip hop" sounds cooler than "rap".

baltogrl71

12-31-2005, 02:30 AM

I must be retatrded because I thought there was a clear difference, I thought rap was that, someone rapping, and hip-hop was more of rap with a dance beat. All I know is I can't listen to the radio anymore because current popular hip-hop artist or what ever they call themselves suck they have no conviction they crap about candy and the mall, it makes me want to vomit and that is deffinatly not rap.

roosta

12-31-2005, 09:23 AM

i think black people "rap" and white people "hip-hop"

i THINK

BangkokB

01-01-2006, 12:50 PM

Busta Rymes in Leaders of the New School had a comment about that saying something to the effect "Rap is Business and Hip Hop is culture"

I don't know the exact quotes but it would fit nicely here to clear up this whole mess

Lex Diamonds

01-01-2006, 01:17 PM

This thread is supremely stupid and pointless. This is how I see it:

Hip-hop is the street culture from whence the music comes (which also includes graffiti, breakdancing, and sometimes gangs, drugs and shit), rap is another name for MCing. So a track which features an MC can be called "a rap song", but it is still music from the hip-hop genre.

Pres Zount

01-01-2006, 07:03 PM

Jesus christ you fuckheads! Rap is 50 cent and hip hop is justin timberlake. Jesus christ.

Lex Diamonds

01-03-2006, 09:24 AM

Jesus christ you fuckheads! Rap is 50 cent and hip hop is justin timberlake. Jesus christ.
So, like, Jesus Christ is hip-hop and Mohammed is rap?

ASsman

01-03-2006, 12:11 PM

Goddamn crackers.

The Notorious LOL

01-03-2006, 12:14 PM

they're the same thing. Quit being gay.

marsdaddy

01-03-2006, 06:22 PM

Although it's clearly not the 'origin' of rap, I would argue that actually this record had a huge influence in the crossover of rap music into popular mainstream culture that shouldn't really be underestimated.Sure, but less so than Rapper's Delight and Sylvia Rhone.