Stanley "Tookie" Williams....

[B.style]

Should convicted murderer Stanley "Tookie" Williams be granted mercy for a crime he committed because he changed his life for the better and according to advocate and supporter Snoop Doggy Dog is a positive influence on his life and many other Afro-americans(?) I suppose, in Los Angeles.

I never heard of this Stanley Williams until it was broadcast on the news several days ago. I understand that California Govorner Arnold Schwartzenegger may have to make a decision about this. And Snoop Doggy Dog is rallying other Afro-americans, and I suppose other minorities(?) symphathizers to his cause. I understand that Mr. Stanley "Tookie" Williams murdered somebody during a robbery(?) and was arrested and convicted for the crime and has since then (have to find out more fully when this happened and where and who the victim was/is) been in death row. Does anyone here believe in the death penalty or in retribution? It's okay if any of you have definite opinions or are ambivalent about it. But because of the peculiar nature of America's 'justice' system which for me is systemic problem in that it is not severe enough. Where a heinous crime has been committed by a person/s and is supported by irrefutable hard evidence, retribution is called for. That person should forfeit his/her life.

[Echewta]

I'm not for the penalty but if its on the books and a majority of the people in the state agree, then what can you do?

I do find it interesting that we are in good company with other countries that put people to death like China, Iran, etc.

[marsdaddy]

How does retribution do anything other than provide another example of an expendable life?

[mickill]

Didn't he write a couple of children's books too?

Anyway, yeah, death penalty...not a fan.

[B.style]

I'm not for the penalty but if its on the books and a majority of the people in the state agree, then what can you do?

I do find it interesting that we are in good company with other countries that put people to death like China, Iran, etc.

Don't forget Singapore. Their penalties and punishment are quite severe. Remember Michael Fey?

[B.style]

How does retribution do anything other than provide another example of an expendable life?

Have you ever lost a brother or sister or close relative or friend to a murderer? A person who, without mercy or pity, because of the advantage of surprise and a lethal weapon decided that another person's life had to end, because it was decided so by that individual. Nothing conditional, just sentenced another to die and in a most violent manner. But then, again, what murder is not violent in manner? Let's suppose, your own children not only were they brutally murdered but before that they were raped as well. You mean to say that the brutal violent death of your children by the hands of a murderer and you will still be remote? That's astounding.

[marsdaddy]

Have you ever lost a brother or sister or close relative or friend to a murderer? A person who, without mercy or pity, because of the advantage of surprise and a lethal weapon decided that another person's life had to end, because it was decided so by that individual. Nothing conditional, just sentenced another to die and in a most violent manner. But then, again, what murder is not violent in manner? Let's suppose, your own children not only were they brutally murdered but before that they were raped as well. You mean to say that the brutal violent death of your children by the hands of a murderer and you will still be remote? That's astounding.What I'm saying is to perserve the value and sanctity of life, the government cannot decide one life is more valuable than another.

Why do we bother to protect criminals' from illegal searches, yet have people waiting to die on death row? And what of the racial, social, economic breakdown of convicted murders sentenced to death?

If someone hurt someone I love, I might choose to hand out my own personal punishment, but I'd also have to accept inevitable consequences. What are the consequences when the death penalty is put to use?

[ScarySquirrel]

Didn't he write a couple of children's books too?
Award winning children's books if I'm not mistaken.

[roosta]

ive always been more of a bloods man, myself

[K-nowledge]

What I'm saying is to perserve the value and sanctity of life, the government cannot decide one life is more valuable than another.
But the criminal can decide who's life is more valuable? Hmmmmm!?!

[marsdaddy]

But the criminal can decide who's life is more valuable? Hmmmmm!?!Such a misnomer of a screen name.

[Rock]

Award winning children's books if I'm not mistaken.
5 time pulitzer prize nominee too....i think. not that that really means much, buchyano.

[K-nowledge]

Such a misnomer of a screen name.

Just because I disagree with your take, you have to dis. Weak!

Now, if your goal is to preserve the value and sanctity of life, why stand for anyone who has taken lives?

[marsdaddy]

Just because I disagree with your take, you have to dis. Weak!

Now, if your goal is to preserve the value and sanctity of life, why stand for anyone who has taken lives?No, not because you disagree, because you missed the point. No, the criminal isn't allowed to decide. That's why he or she goes to jail.

Your second question makes no sense. Does that mean we should topple the government for executing criminals?

[emceefukit]

If you go here (http://www.ogrish.com/archives/three_victims_of_murderer_stanley_tookie_williams_ Dec_13_2005.html) you can see actual pictures of what this award winning childrens author did to get put on death row. I say fuck "Tookie".

[Videodrome]

yeah fuck'em. he's good as dead now, after all he did kill a family.