Guy on myspace killed himself...

[ToucanSpam]

...and left a bulletin?

http://myspacide.ytmnd.com/

[Amelie*]

what he on your friend list?

[ToucanSpam]

No, but this was on YTMND I don't even know if there was truth to it.

[jackrock]

suicide makes me sad. :(

[Auton]

sad enough to kill yourself?

[jackrock]

uhhhh... then i would get sad... then do it again?.. and no. :p

[Lemmy's Liver]

one piece of advice to you internerds: live a little.

[ToucanSpam]

Why would someone do this? Why?

[jackrock]

kill themsleves or leave a bulletin?

[ToucanSpam]

Uhhhhh the suicide part.

[kleptomaniac]

Uhhhhh the suicide part.

they're probably suicidal.

[jackrock]

i doubt that! :rolleyes: ^

[synch]

they're probably suicidal.
This had me laughing arms folded on my desk and head leaning on my arms.

[paul jones]

This had me laughing arms folded on my desk and head leaning on my arms.

me too,what a great song btw

[Auton]

Why would someone do this? Why?

same reason (99% of) people post on myspace in the first place. completely desperate for attention.

[kleptomaniac]

same reason (99% of) people post on myspace in the first place. completely desperate for attention.

we all flock to the suicidal people, that's for sure

[Chad the Lad]

fuckin fanny!

honestly some people eh?

[paul jones]

fuckin fanny!

honestly some people eh?

fuckin 'ell it's Chad!

(y)

[paul jones]

Haha, kid was emo, it was inevitable. Suicide is for losers.

I bet some girl dumped him for another Emo with trendy Emo glasses who played in a band

[ericlee]

yeah but the fucker was 17.. He hasn't seen anything yet. I bet his Mom didn't bring him chocolate milk.

[jackrock]

^ haha wrong thread i think lol

[Rancid_Beasties]

He has achieved what he set out to do through suicide tenfold thanks to this bulletin. A small amount of (in this case internet) notoriety. I mean it piqued the interest of voyeurs like ourselves.

[Chad the Lad]

fuckin 'ell it's Chad!

(y)

hey hey! how's it goin Paul? :D

[mr_rottentreats]

Haha, kid was emo, it was inevitable. Suicide is for losers.
that shit aint funny asshole just cuz hes emo dont mean shit

[mr_rottentreats]

I bet some girl dumped him for another Emo with trendy Emo glasses who played in a band
i hope all you fuckers burn in hell like the assholes you all are

[mr_rottentreats]

oh and to the people who are not assholes do any one no how he died ???

[ScarySquirrel]

Suicide.

[mr_rottentreats]

Suicide.
no smart ass i meant what did he do to kill himself hang him self take a buch o pills cut his rist etc etc

[ScarySquirrel]

He listened to ICP and Twiztid so much that his head imploded and then exploded. It wasn't pretty.

By the way, I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass. So thanks. Dumbass.

[jabumbo]

He listened to ICP and Twiztid so much that his head imploded and then exploded. It wasn't pretty.

By the way, I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass. So thanks. Dumbass.


i love you man, seriously

[mr_rottentreats]

He listened to ICP and Twiztid so much that his head imploded and then exploded. It wasn't pretty.

By the way, I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass. So thanks. Dumbass.
hey fuck you douche bag your just some faggot that has nothin to do except go on this message board all day and dont get no pussy and will nvr do shit with yur life yur just a piece of shit. you can make fun of me and the shit i like but when yuo fuckin talk like yur better than me yur not yur a faggot and thats all yur ever going to be bitch

[mr_rottentreats]

i love you man, seriously
suck scary bitches dick homo

[Paul Kemp]

hey fuck you douche bag your just some faggot that has nothin to do except go on this message board all day and dont get no pussy and will nvr do shit with yur life yur just a piece of shit. you can make fun of me and the shit i like but when yuo fuckin talk like yur better than me yur not yur a faggot and thats all yur ever going to be bitch
BURN!

[DandyFop]

hey fuck you douche bag your just some faggot that has nothin to do except go on this message board all day and dont get no pussy and will nvr do shit with yur life yur just a piece of shit. you can make fun of me and the shit i like but when yuo fuckin talk like yur better than me yur not yur a faggot and thats all yur ever going to be bitch

I have access to pussy 24/7 and am still on this mb all day :(

But seriously, it is a shame if the kid committed suicide. I don't care if people thought he was emo, or wanted attention, or whatever. Everybody goes through their own personal hells and I think it's fucked up when others try to say what people should be thinking/feeling. It just doesn't work that way.

[ericlee]

hey fuck you douche bag your just some faggot that has nothin to do except go on this message board all day and dont get no pussy and will nvr do shit with yur life yur just a piece of shit. you can make fun of me and the shit i like but when yuo fuckin talk like yur better than me yur not yur a faggot and thats all yur ever going to be bitch

yur, yur. What the fuck? At least he's not so fuckin' lazy that he can't put "o and 're" when he's typing. If YOU'RE that damn lazy then you shouldn't even be on a mb.

Edit: ICP lip syncs at their concert so go hang yourself.

[DandyFop]

okay honestly in all reality I might have to kill myself if I listened to ICP, and I'm completely serious

[insertnamehere]

hey fuck you douche bag your just some faggot that has nothin to do except go on this message board all day and dont get no pussy and will nvr do shit with yur life yur just a piece of shit. you can make fun of me and the shit i like but when yuo fuckin talk like yur better than me yur not yur a faggot and thats all yur ever going to be bitch

this guy is an alias right? please tell me he is.

[jabumbo]

dude, this guy like totally has like 500 myspace friends


he is a total hipster!

[The Notorious LOL]

so what? Anyone who documents the end of their life in an internet fashion deserves a mocking.

[Bob]

I bet some girl dumped him for another Emo with trendy Emo glasses who played in a band

haha, end of thread

[Bob]

hey fuck you douche bag your just some faggot that has nothin to do except go on this message board all day and dont get no pussy and will nvr do shit with yur life yur just a piece of shit. you can make fun of me and the shit i like but when yuo fuckin talk like yur better than me yur not yur a faggot and thats all yur ever going to be bitch

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[Matt]

I checked the comments and then checked this kids myspace page (it's listed in the comments). He apparently did kill himself. eh.

[DandyFop]

so what? Anyone who documents the end of their life in an internet fashion deserves a mocking.

Why.

Why is it acceptable to laugh at the death of somebody because they happened to be "emo" and post a suicide note on myspace? He was 17 years old! Give him some fucking leeway. I was a damn fool in high school with what I listened to and how i dressed, etc.

It's all because people want to appear like they don't give a shit, that's the funny way to be now, un p.c., Fuck the World, bla bla bla. Whatever. Get the fuck over yourselves everybody.

[paul jones]

i hope all you fuckers burn in hell like the assholes you all are

yeah,we're looking forward to it actually,better music (y)

[faz]

http://vadersuicide.ytmnd.com/

http://emoorangesuicide.ytmnd.com/

[mr_rottentreats]

what in the fuck does me likeing icp and twiztid have to do with any thing ? and how does that change me as a person ?

[mr_rottentreats]

If the kid was about to kill himself, I'd be like 'don't so it, kid. Pussy makes it all better', and then he might not kill himself. But it's too late now, and well, he was an emo, and it's not like we're gonna hurt his feelings. So pow, he loses, I win.
no you dont is still a human life it doesnt matter if hes emo

[mr_rottentreats]

this guy is an alias right? please tell me he is.
no

[Kid Presentable]

I've been thinking about that poor kid all day.

[ToucanSpam]

I'd just like to point out that I never laughed or thought this was funny at all, I brought this up because it shocked the hell out of me.

[Kid Presentable]

I wonder what the mass-media would be able to make of this.

If they can jump on computer games and music for teen death tolls, then this would be a new target.

That kid didn't look like he was gonna bump himself off. Real focussed in that portrait( which I figured was his last). For some reason I always imagine weeping like a fuckwit while trying to blow my own head off. :(

[ToucanSpam]

I just can't imagine someone doing that. I still don't get how someone can justify suicide..

[ScarySquirrel]

i love you man, seriously
That's interesting to note. I'll take it easy on you when I take over the world.

[Kid Presentable]

I just can't imagine someone doing that. I still don't get how someone can justify suicide..

You have to accept that you can justify suicide, otherwise you're pretending it doesn't happen.

The whole 'He's a dead emo' thing is strange. In the same breath most people would dread somebody close to them killing themselves.

All I mean is I've thought of suicide, been affected by people I've been close to committing suicide, and am still hearing of stories like this about suicide. I can justify somebody feeling so low that they have nowhere to turn. Killing themselves, taking the big sleep is the only choice they feel they have. And it's probably the wrong decision, but we've all made the 'wrong decision' before.

I don't think any less or more of a dead person because they're dead, but I don't ignore the fact that it could be me or anybody I know doing the same thing. And that sucks.

[MagicCowboy]

It's terrible what happened and all, but you've got to admit that he was not very good at writing suicide notes.

"i'm soo sorry <3"

Sub-par.

[Kid Presentable]

I'd like to see somebody INTERNET!!!!! that.

[The Notorious LOL]

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[The Notorious LOL]

http://billnyemyspace.ytmnd.com/

http://hitlermyspace.ytmnd.com/

http://willywonkamyspace.ytmnd.com/

http://mcdonaldmyspacesuicide.ytmnd.com/

[kleptomaniac]

http://willywonkamyspace.ytmnd.com/



why not call the oompa loompas? :confused:

i'm sure they'd want to know.....

[Chad the Lad]

why not call the oompa loompas? :confused:

i'm sure they'd want to know.....


qwality!!!!!

[faz]

....the bulletin entrys date was november 29th but on his myspace page it says he last logged in on dec 2nd

[kleptomaniac]

qwality!!!!!

qwhat?

[paul jones]

qwhat?

quality street

[QueenAdrock]

Holy shit, I feel bad for laughing but that Bill Nye one NotoriousLOL posted was fucking HILARIOUS!

I love him.

[Medellia]

I just can't imagine someone doing that. I still don't get how someone can justify suicide..
Possibly because living is too painful for them and no amount of drugs or therapy can help? Or even if they could, the person in question is too ashamed to get help? Maybe?

[QueenAdrock]

Yeah. There's nothing worse than feeling like there's nothing left to live for. (n)

[Medellia]

As selfish as suicide is, I think it's even more selfish when someone makes another person feel forced into living in utter misery and then don't even help that person get better. :mad:

Of course, someone in that position should get help, but my god it really pisses me off when someone is guilt tripped into living like that, and NOBODY WILL HELP THEM.

[ericlee]

Possibly because living is too painful for them and no amount of drugs or therapy can help? Or even if they could, the person in question is too ashamed to get help? Maybe?

alot of that has to do with him though. He was probably blocking people that were trying to help. Apparently by all the messages from friends on his myspace letter, he's got plenty of friends and I'd think at least somebody has tried to help him out.

I've had a bad time myself. Much, much worse than that guy went through. I'm talking cocaine addiction so bad that I couldn't keep with the bills, I've lost a girlfriend over it and during that time, my Pops passed away.

I've thought about ending it all but my friends were there to help me. You know why they helped me? Cause I let them.

Now, I don't feel sorry for the guy one bit. He accomplished his goal so why feel sorry when he meet his goal? On the other hand though, of course I feel sorry for his parents and friends. I mean, the guys gone and his friends are still sending him messages.

[jackrock]

alot of that has to do with him though. He was probably blocking people that were trying to help. Apparently by all the messages from friends on his myspace letter, he's got plenty of friends and I'd think at least somebody has tried to help him out.

I've had a bad time myself. Much, much worse than that guy went through. I'm talking cocaine addiction so bad that I couldn't keep with the bills, I've lost a girlfriend over it and during that time, my Pops passed away.

I've thought about ending it all but my friends were there to help me. You know why they helped me? Cause I let them.

Now, I don't feel sorry for the guy one bit. He accomplished his goal so why feel sorry when he meet his goal? On the other hand though, of course I feel sorry for his parents and friends. I mean, the guys gone and his friends are still sending him messages.
dude thats rough :( glad you had those friends/family for ya! (y)

[Medellia]

alot of that has to do with him though. He was probably blocking people that were trying to help. Apparently by all the messages from friends on his myspace letter, he's got plenty of friends and I'd think at least somebody has tried to help him out.

I've had a bad time myself. Much, much worse than that guy went through. I'm talking cocaine addiction so bad that I couldn't keep with the bills, I've lost a girlfriend over it and during that time, my Pops passed away.

I've thought about ending it all but my friends were there to help me. You know why they helped me? Cause I let them.

Now, I don't feel sorry for the guy one bit. He accomplished his goal so why feel sorry when he meet his goal? On the other hand though, of course I feel sorry for his parents and friends. I mean, the guys gone and his friends are still sending him messages.
Glad you had people who care enough about you to help you out. I've known people who didn't have such a good support system. Luckily some have gotten help on their own, others, well they're still suffering because most people won't help (and the few that will he just won't listen to) and are still suffering because of it (hence my previous post on selfishness).

Anyway, I was explaining to Patt why someone would do that. Not that guy in particular, just someone in general. He said he couldn't understand why anyone would do it.

[guerillaGardner]

Funny thing about online life is that it's easier to ask for help. As it's more anonymous. I think it's hard to ask people close to you for help.

At times when I felt desparate and at my worst I would have found it easier to talk to a stranger online than to family or friends.

[DandyFop]

I love that the people posting links to the other shit are still not saying exactly why they feel it's okay to make fun of this person.

I just want to know why, that's all? I don't understand why, because this kid was "emo", it is justified?

[Nadia]

can somebody tell me what "emo" means? :confused: have no idea, really...

[Mr_Complex]

^ Emotional.

Anyone know why this guy killed himself?

[ericlee]

^ Emotional.

Anyone know why this guy killed himself?

yeah, it was over a girl. She dumped him.

[Mr_Complex]

What a stupid reason.

[Mr_Complex]

I think his myspace has been hacked....

[TurdBerglar]

I love that the people posting links to the other shit are still not saying exactly why they feel it's okay to make fun of this person.

I just want to know why, that's all? I don't understand why, because this kid was "emo", it is justified?


well it's pretty fuckn' lame that this kid thought his life was so bad that he felt the need to end it, condidering. and people love to make fun of lame people

[QueenAdrock]

Naw, I think the whole lameness was sending an internet suicide note on a bulletin. Like on Curb Your Enthusiasm when his wife was like "Oh no! I just got a suicide Blackberry."

[DipDipDive]

I love that the people posting links to the other shit are still not saying exactly why they feel it's okay to make fun of this person.

I just want to know why, that's all? I don't understand why, because this kid was "emo", it is justified?

I don't necessarily think it's funny, but it's certainly pretty fucking ridiculous. Suicide, though tragic and sad, is also the absolute most selfish act anyone could ever committ. I mean, to be so self absorbed that you can't put life into perspective and realize that in the grand scheme of things, you really don't have it nearly as bad as you think you do is lame. It's super fucking lame. And to broadcast the fact that you think your life is such a tragedy and it has to come to an end on the goddamn internet is the very epitome of self absorbed, ridiculous, and horribly, horribly lame.

Look at it this way - is that how you'd wanna go out? Probably not.

[QueenAdrock]

Hey! I just tried to show my friend the Bill Nye one, and it's taken down! And so are all the others! What gives?

[ToucanSpam]

Hey! I just tried to show my friend the Bill Nye one, and it's taken down! And so are all the others! What gives?
It's stupid to leave them up.

[QueenAdrock]

I just found them again.

How's it stupid? I like the Bill Nye one.

[ToucanSpam]

A guy killed himself. The family might see this as someone cashing in on their son's death.

[Medellia]

I don't necessarily think it's funny, but it's certainly pretty fucking ridiculous. Suicide, though tragic and sad, is also the absolute most selfish act anyone could ever committ. I mean, to be so self absorbed that you can't put life into perspective and realize that in the grand scheme of things, you really don't have it nearly as bad as you think you do is lame. It's super fucking lame. And to broadcast the fact that you think your life is such a tragedy and it has to come to an end on the goddamn internet is the very epitome of self absorbed, ridiculous, and horribly, horribly lame.

Look at it this way - is that how you'd wanna go out? Probably not.
You've clearly never known anyone who was truly suicidal then. Maybe with this particular guy it was sort of selfish, but not always. Sometimes the people are just sick of the pain and just want to feel better. It may be stupid, but not selfish.

[QueenAdrock]

I dunno, I sorta agree with DDD here. I don't think she means it as "He was intentionally doing a selfish act," because he clearly wasn't in that state of mind at the time. I think she means it in the way I also interpret suicide, which is naturally being a selfish act. Whether or not the person meant for it to be that way, that's what it ultimately becomes. Which in this case, was the correct assumption. If you look at his myspace, he's got many many notes of love and hurting from people who's lives have been shattered. It was selfish of him to make people he cared for and love hurt so badly for the rest of their lives because he wanted to end his pain.

It may have not been an intentional selfishness, but often that's what suicide becomes, a selfish act.

[Medellia]

I agree that this guy in particular was selfish in his actions. But here's a scenario for you: a young woman has a two-year-old daughter, she is suicidal, partially due to her post-partum depression, but there are several other issues that affect her and make it worse. Her husband is a bit of a stoner, and doesn't really notice that there is something wrong. Her parents and siblings REFUSE to help her, because she needs to just suck it up and get over it. She has NO HELP AT ALL. Living physically hurts her. If she were to kill herself her little girl would certainly have good reason to be angry at her, but her family would be the ones who shoulder most of the blame. And what about a schizophrenic who hears voices constantly saying "hurt this person" "kill yourself" etc, etc? I'm not talking about some stupid emo-kid who offs himself because his girl dumped his ass, I'm talking about genuinely sick people who either can't get help or the help just isn't working.

As much as I would love it if those were just a one-off examples, I know they aren't. I feel no pity for myspace guy (although I feel for the people that care about him). But the act of suicide in and of itself isn't automatically selfish. It's the circumstances surrounding it that determine that.


PS-the young mother I used as my first example? She got help on her own, because she didn't want to leave her daughter behind. That's the thing, the people like that, will seek help on their own if no one else will help them. But drugs and therapy don't always work. The selfish ones like that guy won't accept any help at all. The ones like this woman just want to feel better. Sometimes feeling better means not living, sadly.

[Kid Presentable]

It may have not been an intentional selfishness, but often that's what suicide becomes, a selfish act.

I think the truest selfishness in suicide is the way people attach somebody's death to their own feelings about suicide.

Rationalising somebody as 'selfish' because that's what you think is self placating. It's an easy way of dismissing the person because you disagree with their actions. I hear the word "selfish" doled out a lot in regards to suicide, and it's just idiotic. By definition these people are selfish too; ie concerned only with their own needs or wishes.

You don't need to pity this kid, but you should be able to sympathise. We haven't all had real problems like ericlee, but under our own spectrum of experience, sometimes life can be too much. No matter how insignificant things appear to outsiders. Put it down to the mechanics of the human condition.

[Medellia]

By definition these people are selfish too; ie concerned only with their own needs or wishes.
This is exactly what I meant but I couldn't think of how to word it. Thanks, Kid. (y)

[Qdrop]

I don't necessarily think it's funny, but it's certainly pretty fucking ridiculous. Suicide, though tragic and sad, is also the absolute most selfish act anyone could ever committ. I mean, to be so self absorbed that you can't put life into perspective and realize that in the grand scheme of things, you really don't have it nearly as bad as you think you do is lame. It's super fucking lame. And to broadcast the fact that you think your life is such a tragedy and it has to come to an end on the goddamn internet is the very epitome of self absorbed, ridiculous, and horribly, horribly lame.


my sentiments exactly...

[DandyFop]

I don't necessarily think it's funny, but it's certainly pretty fucking ridiculous. Suicide, though tragic and sad, is also the absolute most selfish act anyone could ever committ. I mean, to be so self absorbed that you can't put life into perspective and realize that in the grand scheme of things, you really don't have it nearly as bad as you think you do is lame. It's super fucking lame. And to broadcast the fact that you think your life is such a tragedy and it has to come to an end on the goddamn internet is the very epitome of self absorbed, ridiculous, and horribly, horribly lame.

Look at it this way - is that how you'd wanna go out? Probably not.

I totally agree that suicide is a selfish act, but once again, the kids was fucking 17 YEARS OLD! This doesn't excuse him from this act, but so many people are extremely unstable at this age, trying to figure out where they fit in the world, emotionally distraught, etc. etc., and depending on how long he's had emotional issues, maybe he just figured it was never going to end. To a lot of kids his age now, myspace and the net is becoming the main way of communication between people, often times where they say what they couldn't say in real life.

In no way is this the way I'd want to go out, but that's not what I'm saying at all. If I somehow died by doing something stupid, like say I was running across the road to get to the ice cream truck, and I got hit by a car and killed, yeah that would be pretty stupid and I'm sure people would make fun of me for it on the internet. Would it be cool of them to do that? No. I think people are too often overlooking the big picture nowadays as far as these kinds of things go. They're letting themselves off the hook too easily because they don't want to appear like they care or are emotional.

[Kid Presentable]

my sentiments exactly...

I'm not arguing that you don't feel that way. That's cool.

But why does that mean you can't feel for the kid?

[Qdrop]

I'm not arguing that you don't feel that way. That's cool.

But why does that mean you can't feel for the kid?

short of a painful terminal disease, or imminent death (stranded on Mt.Everest or something), there is no excuse to kill yourself....
there is always a way out, chances to right wrongs, to overcome...
most problems are temporary....why do something so permanant like suicide?

you do not get a second chance.
there is no heaven.

this is it.

if you squander your one shot, by offing yourself when you have the rest of you life to overcome....you are a fuckin idiot.

if one truly has a legit mental disorder or clinical mental issue that clouds judgement (depression alone does not cut it with me), then i can see it as tragic.
otherwise, i see it as a waste...and something that does not deserve condolance...only scorn.

[Kid Presentable]

short of a painful terminal disease, or imminent death (stranded on Mt.Everest or something), there is no excuse to kill yourself....
there is always a way out, chances to right wrongs, to overcome...
most problems are temporary....why do something so permanant like suicide?

you do not get a second chance.
there is no heaven.

this is it.

if you squander your one shot, by offing yourself when you have the rest of you life to overcome....you are a fuckin idiot.

if one truly has a legit mental disorder or clinical mental issue that clouds judgement (depression alone does not cut it with me), then i can see it as tragic.
otherwise, i see it as a waste...and something that does not deserve condolance...only scorn.


I see all of that. I agree. But based on your distaste of the suicide case, wouldn't it be fair to say that you consider it a mental impairment?

'Fuckin Idiot' goes a long way to explain most peoples' malaise.

I think we're quick to trash people who bump themselves off because it makes our world and way of living look empty and dissatisfactory. At least on some level perhaps.

[DandyFop]

I think it's lame to expect people to have it all "figured out". A lot of people aren't so lucky as you, Q.

[fucktopgirl]

I think it's pretty sad when somebody decide to end his days!But who we are to judge them,we are not in their pantys!YEs its the easy way out but maybe people who do this act have nobody around to help them,they did'nt have the proper love,family surrounding.Anyway,there is not justification for such act but we can only misunderstand it!

[roosta]

short of a painful terminal disease, or imminent death (stranded on Mt.Everest or something), there is no excuse to kill yourself....
there is always a way out, chances to right wrongs, to overcome...
most problems are temporary....why do something so permanant like suicide?

you do not get a second chance.
there is no heaven.

this is it.

if you squander your one shot, by offing yourself when you have the rest of you life to overcome....you are a fuckin idiot.

if one truly has a legit mental disorder or clinical mental issue that clouds judgement (depression alone does not cut it with me), then i can see it as tragic.
otherwise, i see it as a waste...and something that does not deserve condolance...only scorn.

that is ridiculous Q.
there are people out there who simply CANNOT cope....its not a choice they made, they arn't as centred and as grounded and as capable as you, they simply CANNOT go on.

i lost a friend through suicide, and i cant sit here and let someone call them an idiot. they werent an idiot, they simply COULD not go on. thats just sad, that they consciously decided to end the only life they'll ever get

but they weren't stupid. and fuck anyone who scorns someone who simply does not have it in them to go on.

[Qdrop]

I think it's lame to expect people to have it all "figured out". A lot of people aren't so lucky as you, Q.

like i ever did or do now...

i've suffered through boughts of depression during my life...particularly when i was very young...
i considered suicide....almost attempted it...you could of argued that i either chickened out, or smartened up....but i was a fuckin idiot for even considering it.
but i still had the courage to get through my social/family issues and trudge through....
i don't deserve anykind of pat on the back for it- i did what any person should be expected to do.

non-clincially induced suicide is a lack of courage.
a show of weakness, selfishness, and narcisism.
it should be ridiculed.

[Qdrop]

that is ridiculous Q.
there are people out there who simply CANNOT cope....its not a choice they made, they arn't as centred and as grounded and as capable as you, they simply CANNOT go on.

i lost a friend through suicide, and i cant sit here and let someone call them an idiot. they werent an idiot, they simply COULD not go on. thats just sad, that they consciously decided to end the only life they'll ever get

but they weren't stupid. and fuck anyone who scorns someone who simply does not have it in them to go on.

and i'm sorry for you, that YOU had to deal with such a thing.
and that's my point: why didn't your friend consider what it would do to you? to his family? etc?
that's selfish.

or perhaps they DID consider it? a show of narcisism? they wished for the mourning of them when they were gone?

or perhaps they had a clinical mental issue....which is truly a tragedy, and they SHOULD be pitied for that.

[Kid Presentable]

non-clincially induced suicide is a lack of courage.
a show of weakness, selfishness, and narcisism.
it should be ridiculed.


And there you go talking like a miltary man.

I see why you're saying that, but isn't our entire society sustained by selfishness and narcissim? Or do you not leave the house?

Suicide isn't a happy ending you can switch off and forget about; it has affected us since time immemorial, and continues to do so. Every day.

People killing themselves hasn't been alleviated by a single one of society's progressions. We're exactly where we've always been.

We all deserve to be ridiculed for that.

[fucktopgirl]

non-clincially induced suicide is a lack of courage.
a show of weakness, selfishness, and narcisism.
it should be ridiculed.


humm, i think we should be critic about it ,telling that there is others options when life is hard then to exterminate yourself but you cannot ridicul somebody death without knowing the inside story!

[roosta]

and i'm sorry for you, that YOU had to deal with such a thing.
and that's my point: why didn't your friend consider what it would do to you? to his family? etc?
that's selfish.

or perhaps they DID consider it? a show of narcisism? they wished for the mourning of them when they were gone?

or perhaps they had a clinical mental issue....which is truly a tragedy, and they SHOULD be pitied for that.

maybe it was clinical...maybe not. probably never know
i understand the whole "selfish" thing and there is anger there...but i really cant understand the "deserves to be ridiculed" thought...that's bananas.
it does anger people, and it can be seen as selfish, but deserving of ridicule? never.

[Qdrop]

And there you go talking like a miltary man.

I see why you're saying that, but isn't our entire society sustained by selfishness and narcissim? Or do you not leave the house?

Suicide isn't a happy ending you can switch off and forget about; it has affected us since time immemorial, and continues to do so. Every day.

People killing themselves hasn't been alleviated by a single one of society's progressions. We're exactly where we've always been.

We all deserve to be ridiculed for that.

some of that is due to mental illness...which is, again, a tragedy.

some is due to inherant weakness...i suppose you can pity that, but not respect that.

if i lost everyone i love right now....my family, jenny, etc....
i must go on.
there is still a future for me somewhere...another chance.
but not if i quit.

[Kid Presentable]

some of that is due to mental illness...which is, again, a tragedy.

some is due to inherant weakness...i suppose you can pity that, but not respect that.

if i lost everyone i love right now....my family, jenny, etc....
i must go on.
there is still a future for me somewhere...another chance.
but not if i quit.

Cool. But I still don't agree with you.

I hope that never happens to you, but if it does I hope you can remember your words.

Inherent weakness is a human trait.

[DandyFop]

Many people who commit suicide truly believe that everyone around them will be better off.

[Kid Presentable]

Many people who commit suicide truly believe that everyone around them will be better off.

And say sorry all the time.

[Qdrop]

maybe it was clinical...maybe not. probably never know
i understand the whole "selfish" thing and there is anger there...but i really cant understand the "deserves to be ridiculed" thought...that's bananas.
it does anger people, and it can be seen as selfish, but deserving of ridicule? never.

well i understand what you are saying...
the thought of me or anyone ridiculing your friend makes you super fuckin pissed...
not my intention.

the point of ridicule, i suppose, is "social scorn". so that others would see suicide in a negative light...
not a way out.
not a last chance at an emotional memorial in the eyes of those they think wronged them or would not give them that in life.

a kid in my highschool got caught stealing $3000 dollars from a friends store.

he went home and blew his head off with a shotgun.
some of the students wanted to give him a memorial page in the yearbook.

the school refused...and made the right call.
how dare the kid get memorialized for his cowardness...
and how could the school put a positive spin on it....so that other dejected youth could possibley see THIER suicide as a tool for martyrdom or forced emotional memorial.
you earn those things in LIFE! not death.

[fucktopgirl]

for shure ,people who want to commit suicide ,play the role of the victim!

[Qdrop]

Many people who commit suicide truly believe that everyone around them will be better off.

so the answer would be to better yourself as a person, and become an asset to others...

not to quit.

there is NO romancing of suicide.
it is not poetic....
or interesting.

it is negative in all lights.

[DandyFop]

I'm not romancing suicide. I don't think he should be commended for offing himself. My whole point was just that I don't think people should make fun of him. I don't think he should be ridiculed, or become a martyr. I do think he made the wrong decision, but there's no changing it now.

[roosta]

well i understand what you are saying...
the thought of me or anyone ridiculing your friend makes you super fuckin pissed...
not my intention.

the point of ridicule, i suppose, is "social scorn". so that others would see suicide in a negative light...
not a way out.
not a last chance at an emotional memorial in the eyes of those they think wronged them or would not give them that in life.

a kid in my highschool got caught stealing $3000 dollars from a friends store.

he went home and blew his head off with a shotgun.
some of the students wanted to give him a memorial page in the yearbook.

the school refused...and made the right call.
how dare the kid get memorialized for his cowardness...
and how could the school put a positive spin on it....so that other dejected youth could possibley see THIER suicide as a tool for martyrdom or forced emotional memorial.
you earn those things in LIFE! not death.

i get the social scorn aspect, suppose, anything that stops it from being seen as an acceptible option is always good. but with that, i dont think it can even stop it. the ridicule is AFTER death...ridicule is only effective against the person it ridicules, it doesnt help the family etc. why should these people care about how they are percieved? the most certainly dont..

in ireland theres a kind of suicide crisis at the moment amongst men aged between 18-30....its shocking.

[Qdrop]

the ridicule is AFTER death...ridicule is only effective against the person it ridicules, it doesnt help the family etc. why should these people care about how they are percieved? the most certainly dont..
the social scorn would be for the "on-lookers"....to persuade them NOT to follow the same path....

[Kid Presentable]

the social scorn would be for the "on-lookers"....to persuade them NOT to follow the same path....

That wouldn't work, and hasn't so far.

[QueenAdrock]

I think the truest selfishness in suicide is the way people attach somebody's death to their own feelings about suicide.

I think it can be seen both ways, the boy is being selfish by depriving the family and friends of his presense, and the people are being selfish by wanting him around when he doesn't want to be. I do agree in a lot of situations, the people just really want to let go of their pain. But sometimes, a lot of the times, they don't think of anyone but themselves and their pain and don't care how it's going to affect people, which to me is them being selfish. There's a huge difference between struggling with a case of depression for many years, having no friends and nothing left to live for, and being 17 and being dumped by a girlfriend.

I don't think it was selfish in this situation for his friends to want him around. They could see the long term, and see that he was JUST 17 years old, and it was over a GIRL, and that it wasn't a long-term serious situation that wouldn't get better. It would be selfish of them to want him around still if they saw it as a situation that wouldn't end and his pain would continue for the rest of his life.

Plus, there would be two situations. The boy stays alive, and is sad over the girl (which he would eventually get over, it's a GIRL). Or the boy kills himself and leaves hundreds (it seems to be) of people devestated and missing him for the rest of their lives. In this situation, he's being the selfish one. It's his temporary pain, versus the unending pain of hundreds.

[ToucanSpam]

Are there any actual news articles about this?

[So Ruff]

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_category.html?category_id=28

Fifth article on that page. It's not USA Today, or The Globe And Mail, but it's a news article nonetheless.

Back to the subject of suicide... I honestly don't think I would be able to kill myself. Under any circumstance. I just wouldn't be able to pull the trigger, that's all.

[paulb]

i couldnt commit suicide. i wouldnt know which way id wanna go either. prob somethin quick and painless. gun shot to the head? mhm.... :confused:

[DipDipDive]

You've all made some interesting points and I definitely see both sides of the argument. All I have left to say is that I've fallen on some pretty fucking hard times in my life and living through those hard times has made me a better person in the long run. The only pity I feel for people who committ suicide is that they never had a chance to see that that which didn't kill them would've only made them stronger. Cliche perhaps, but it's the truth, and I refuse to believe that rule doesn't apply to everyone regardless of how much they hate themselves.

[Documad]

In that book, Stiff or Stiffed (the one with the toe tag on the cover) there's a chapter on people who jump off the Golden Gate Bridge (my preferred method of offing myself) and survived (that would sure suck). They reported that before they jumped, their problems seemed impossible, but right after they jumped, they seemed silly or solve-able. I can't imagine.


There was a time when I had sympathy for suicides. I could never do it because it would destroy my mother.

I had two high school friends who killed themselves. My friend's brother killed himself too. I had a close friend in law school who threatened and threatened and I visited her in various lockdowns. I was terrified she would do it and I eventually had to quit being her friend. She was on some Sylvia Plath deal and she fancied herself to be a writer.

Another person close to me threatened and threatened for 7-8 years. She was a teenage cutter, she got all kinds of help, had supportive friends and family, and was in therapy forever. She talked about it all the time. I never dreamed she would do it. She killed herself three weeks ago. I was devastated for one hour. Since then, I've been pissed off.

I think it's a mistake to spend too much time discussing the tragedy of a youthful suicide. I think that mocking them might be more healthy. Anything to encourage others from thinking it's romantic. I really don't know.

[Auton]

seriously. i have had so many depression problems,seriously almost killed myself so many times... wanting to die so much. the only reason i never did was because my brother died when he was 13 and the only reason my mother didnt kill herself over that was because i was a toddler and she knew she still had to raise me. for me to commit suicide would be a terrible thing to do to her, or the rest of my family, or my friends. SUICIDE IS NEVER AN ACCEPTABLE WAY OUT OF DEPRESSION.

"living is too painful for them and no amount of drugs or therapy can help?"

boo-fucking-hoo

these kids, killing themselves over their petty little highschool issues (and this also goes for me when i felt like doing myself in) seriously need to look around them and get a reality check. they have to SO GOOD, they are so lucky to live where they do, having people who care about them, having a roof over their head, clothes on their back, food, and obviously enough money to HAVE A COMPUTER AND A STUPID LITTLE DIGITAL CAMERA THEIR MOM PROBABLY BOUGHT THEM... people are STARVING TO DEATH on the other side of the world, IN WAR-TORN COUNTRIES. We have people who's whole families have been murdered, who have been seriously abused and raped, and so on.... who are strong enough to stay alive. yeah, your girlfriend dumped you, your dad drinks too much and beats your mom, nobody sits next to you at school. whatever.

sorry, i'm ranting now, but it really makes me upset. like Documad said, they do not need to be encouraged. they need professional help, not an audience.

[DandyFop]

I have all these thoughts but I'm too tired to type them. Auton, I agree with you. I wish people would realize more what they had, especially in this country, compared to most others. The problem is, everybody lives in their own personal hell. You can't tell me to just forget my problems, and I can't do that to you, because it just doesn't work that way.

Bleh, I don't know. I don't think this kid made a smart decision, of course, either in killing himself or in leaving that fucking note, I was just hoping that people would think a little bit first before seeing how fast they can get a laugh out of it.

[Medellia]

these kids, killing themselves over their petty little highschool issues (and this also goes for me when i felt like doing myself in) seriously need to look around them and get a reality check. they have to SO GOOD, they are so lucky to live where they do, having people who care about them, having a roof over their head, clothes on their back, food, and obviously enough money to HAVE A COMPUTER AND A STUPID LITTLE DIGITAL CAMERA THEIR MOM PROBABLY BOUGHT THEM... people are STARVING TO DEATH on the other side of the world, IN WAR-TORN COUNTRIES. We have people who's whole families have been murdered, who have been seriously abused and raped, and so on.... who are strong enough to stay alive. yeah, your girlfriend dumped you, your dad drinks too much and beats your mom, nobody sits next to you at school. whatever.
THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS SOMEONE WITH A FUCKING CHEMICAL IMBALANCE IN THEIR BRAIN, YOU DOUCHE.





Alright, I'm done with this thread since people insist on equating a serious mental illness with emo whining. Fuck it.

[Auton]

THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS SOMEONE WITH A FUCKING CHEMICAL IMBALANCE IN THEIR BRAIN, YOU DOUCHE.

shut the FUCK UP. MY SISTER IS A FUCKING MANIC DEPRESSIVE, IDIOT. I KNOW ABOUT CHEMICAL IMBALANCES.

[Medellia]

Eh, so I lied.....my sister and an uncle are BOTH schizophrenic and bipolar. But, nooooo I've never had to deal with other people's mental instablities.

Fuck off.

[ToucanSpam]

these kids, killing themselves over their petty little highschool issues (and this also goes for me when i felt like doing myself in) seriously need to look around them and get a reality check. they have to SO GOOD, they are so lucky to live where they do, having people who care about them, having a roof over their head, clothes on their back, food, and obviously enough money to HAVE A COMPUTER AND A STUPID LITTLE DIGITAL CAMERA THEIR MOM PROBABLY BOUGHT THEM... people are STARVING TO DEATH on the other side of the world, IN WAR-TORN COUNTRIES. We have people who's whole families have been murdered, who have been seriously abused and raped, and so on.... who are strong enough to stay alive. yeah, your girlfriend dumped you, your dad drinks too much and beats your mom, nobody sits next to you at school. whatever.

I think kids miss out on the 'big picture' of things because they feel bad when something doesn't go exactly their way. Perhaps it's not going to far saying kids are spoiled and should take a larger look at what's going on in other parts of our planet.

Perhaps I am repeating exactly what you just said, but if that's the case I agree.

[DroppinScience]

I think some good debate (from both sides) has gone on here...

One thing about whether suicide is a "selfish" act. Some people here said it's selfish for those close to the depressed person to be angry, etc.

I'm not sure how equating people who obviously care for and wish to help a suicidal person NOT commit suicide is selfish. If anything, isn't it selfless?

Bottom line for me is this... anytime someone commits suicide, I see it as a tragedy that the person felt they had to choose that way and that nobody was successful in intervening, getting through to them, etc.

The mocking stuff I find in poor taste. I know where it's coming from, but if it was a good friend of mine, I wouldn't like to hear that said about him/her. Nobody really knows the whole story of when someone takes their own life and being judgmental doesn't make you look good.

But it's great to hear that some of you here who were once suicidal managed to make it through.

[yeahwho]

I've known 4 people who've commited suicide.

One had aids, could not, would not come to terms with it.

The other couldn't stop his heroin addiction/battle with depression. (OD'd)

Another was seemingly normal, married, two daughters, a great job managing many people....but he hung himself in a storage shed. Truly sad story. I worked on a project with him a month before it happened, we spent an hour talking about ghosts, which I thought was cool at the time....but later realized he wasn't just talking a passing fancy.

Another had a terminal disease at age 24 and decided to end it at a peak.

Then I think of all the people I know who've faced true horror's in life and keep on trudging the road to happiness. I sometimes don't give enough credit to many of the people in my life. This thread reminded me of that.

[alexandra]

Why would someone do this? Why?
people who commit/attempt suicide don't see the trees because of the woods (or however that phrase goes).

[ToucanSpam]

people who commit/attempt suicide don't see the trees because of the woods (or however that phrase goes).
Can't see the forest for the trees?

[alexandra]

Can't see the forest for the trees?
is that how you guys say it? i'm kinda thinking on the contrary... but anyway; "they don't appreciate small things anymore".