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D_Raay
12-02-2005, 04:57 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4492190.stm

Newly-released US documents suggest the US escalated the war in Vietnam based on skewed intelligence.

The documents cast doubt on the existence of an attack on a US warship by the North Vietnamese in the Gulf of Tonkin on 4 August 1964.

The incident prompted President Lyndon Johnson to ask Congress, in effect, to declare war on Vietnam.

The revelations, released by the National Security Agency, were written by its own historian in 2001.

Robert Hanyok declares his review of all the intelligence shows beyond doubt that "no attack happened that night". The USS Maddox had been attacked two days earlier.

He claims errors were made in the translation of the intercepted signals from the North Vietnamese, and officials gave too much weight to flimsy evidence.

But he clears President Johnson and his ministers of any blame. They were only shown intelligence supporting the claim of an attack, not a wealth of contradictory material, he says.

Instead, he blames the intelligence-gathers. "They walked alone in their counsels," he wrote.

Three days later, President Johnson asked Congress to empower him to take "all necessary steps" in the region, opening the way for a war that resulted in the deaths of 58,000 Americans and three million Vietnamese.

The US government is said to have fought the declassification of the documents over fears of comparisons with the handling of Iraq, says the BBC's defence and security correspondent Rob Watson.

ASsman
12-02-2005, 06:03 PM
Vietname is mostly moist jungle, you ARE WRONG@!

greedygretchen
12-03-2005, 11:59 AM
I wonder if they'll reinstate the draft like vietnam from what i understand our troops are being spread too thinly...if they do i think supporters of the war and bush should be the first to go

valvano
12-03-2005, 02:03 PM
I wonder if they'll reinstate the draft like vietnam from what i understand our troops are being spread too thinly...if they do i think supporters of the war and bush should be the first to go

based on your logic,
then we should force all those rich liberal democrats who oppose school vouchers and school choice for families too poor to send their kids to private school to send their own kids to public schools........

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/06/State/School_choice_is_ofte.shtml

"Democrats with school-age children were more likely than Republicans - 44 percent to 37 percent - to have their children in private schools."

:D

QueenAdrock
12-03-2005, 02:25 PM
Hahahaha, "rich democrats" that's almost as funny as "poor republicans"

valvano
12-03-2005, 03:29 PM
Hahahaha, "rich democrats" that's almost as funny as "poor republicans"


i know you are kidding........right?

greedygretchen
12-03-2005, 03:42 PM
based on your logic,
then we should force all those rich liberal democrats who oppose school vouchers and school choice for families too poor to send their kids to private school to send their own kids to public schools........

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/06/State/School_choice_is_ofte.shtml

"Democrats with school-age children were more likely than Republicans - 44 percent to 37 percent - to have their children in private schools."

:D

hey if rich democrats putting their kids in public schools meant bush/war supporters being sent to iraq to fight- i'd have absolutely no problem with that :D

QueenAdrock
12-03-2005, 04:19 PM
i know you are kidding........right?

There are far more rich republicans than there are rich democrats. Ever wonder why so many of them are pushing for upper-class tax breaks, hmm? And why democrats fight for welfare? I wonder why that is.

ASsman
12-03-2005, 09:39 PM
Hahaha, yah valvano and up is down. Thanks for that.

sam i am
12-05-2005, 01:07 PM
There are far more rich republicans than there are rich democrats. Ever wonder why so many of them are pushing for upper-class tax breaks, hmm? And why democrats fight for welfare? I wonder why that is.

Want to see that statistics on the ACTUAL incomes of Democrats vs. Republicans in the US Senate? In the House? In general all over the country?

Here ya go....http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/13/senators.finances/
http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/popula.html
http://www.newsbatch.com/race.htm
http://www.umich.edu/~nes/nesguide/nesguide.htm

Those are some starting points....there's more.

The point is that MANY of the top net worth Senators and Congressmen/women in the US government are Democrats. Now....you may argue that they are turning their backs on themselves and selflessly giving of their public energies to help lift up all those who are in the lowest income brackets or are being dishonored in their labor, but the truth is that poverty exists at some point or another for almost every single human being alive.

We're ALL poor when we don't work. We ALL don't have equal rights when we're children.

Democrats "fight" for the things you cite above, Queen, because it allows them POWER - plain and simple. With power comes prestige, perks, and the ability to give perogatives to those who patronize you. THAT is the American Way...and it's practiced by all who seek political power.