Point To Ponder- Part III

[jackrock]

whoa im on a roll today...

PART III
i have had this theory for sometime.. my friends claim to have it too, but w/e...

ok so you look at a color you say green. we all say green. but what if just what if... we all saw something different? we call it green and it could be joe over there's blue to him. you know? . how will we ever find out? i doubt we could, if this is true o' course

[Freebasser]

Put the crack pipe down, kid.

[jackrock]

my hand has too good a grip on it

[paulb]

green is green. although sometimes i think like that. i look in a mirror and i see me, but do other people see the guy, i just saw in the mirror? ....

[TurdBerglar]

i know exactly what you're talking about jackrock

[jackrock]

green is green. ....
but how do we know!! we may call green- green, but it may not look the same!!

[paulb]

i know what you're getting at, but how come when i say my shirt is green, everyone agrees with me. cause green is green.

[jackrock]

i know what you're getting at, but how come when i say my shirt is green, everyone agrees with me. cause green is green.
but as i said we may all call it green.

[Loppfessor]

but how do we know!! we may call green- green, but it may not look the same!!


because the matrix tells us what green is.....seriously dude you're too young to be smokin all that weed.

[Bob]

why the hell is it that whenever someone actually gives any deep thought to something that we generally take for granted, people's first response is "oh ok DUUUUDE, interesting theory BRO, lay off the drugs for a while ok BUD"

jesus man, you don't need crack to think about these kinds of things

i used to think about this too. i'd ask my friends how they could describe a color, say, blue, and they'd say "oh, well, you know, it's blue, the color of the sky", but that all presupposes that you know what blue looks like, and really, you're not defining anything because you're using the word in the definition. so i'd say "ok, but how would you describe a color to someone who's never seen it before? how would you describe it to a colorblind person, who has no idea of what the color blue looks like?" and they'd say "i don't know, shut up"

whenever you ask a question without an answer, people accuse you of being a pothead, it sucks

[Loppfessor]

No not crack but a lot of deep thinkin is done on weed...especially the theory posed in this thread.

[Freebasser]

whenever you ask a question without an answer, people accuse you of being a pothead, it sucks

Of course not, but considering the fact that every single person I've ever met in my life calls this colour green suggests to me that it is in fact the same colour in each case - "green"; the name given to it by the person responsible for naming the colour. If one person thought that blue were green for instance, I think he'd be corrected instantly by 99% of people he bumped into when he tried to force his crackhead theory upon them.

[Loppfessor]

i used to think about this too. i'd ask my friends how they could describe a color, say, blue, and they'd say "oh, well, you know, it's blue, the color of the sky", but that all presupposes that you know what blue looks like, and really, you're not defining anything because you're using the word in the definition. so i'd say "ok, but how would you describe a color to someone who's never seen it before? how would you describe it to a colorblind person, who has no idea of what the color blue looks like?" and they'd say "i don't know, shut up"

whenever you ask a question without an answer, people accuse you of being a pothead, it sucks


Didn't you see Mask dude? Even blindos know that blue is blue and red is red

[Bob]

without using the color or a reference to any object that shares the color, can you describe to me the color green? what do you see when you see green?

basically what i'm getting at is this: we have no ability to see things from another person's perspective, we spend our lives seeing only what we see, as obvious as that sounds. for my entire life, grass looks like this . but perhaps if i were to transplant my consciousness into your body somehow, grass might look like this. we both call it green, because that's what we're taught. indeed, this color that we see is called green, that's pretty obvious there. but perhaps what i see and what you see are two different things; we'd never know, because nobody can tell you what green IS, you just see it and then attach the label to it.

supposing somebody had a disease that caused them to see every color as its inverse. we'd never know, because he'd never know anything was wrong. you show him a picture of grass and say the grass is green, and he'd agree, yes that's green. but he's seeing what we'd commonly define as black, or yellow, or whatever the hell the inverse of green is.

we all agree on what green is, but we don't have any way of knowing that we're all seeing the same exact thing. we probably are, but IF, and that's the important word, IF, we weren't, we wouldn't know

[Freebasser]

That makes my brain hurt.

I hope you're happy, Bob.

[Bob]

hell, if it hurt your brain to read it, imagine how hard it was to type it!

[Freebasser]

I don't even remember where I live.

[Loppfessor]

Look Bob...I'm still all wrapped up in that end of the world web site.....I and only handle having my mind blown so many times a night okay!

[Freebasser]

Wait, I just had a thought...

Suppose you said, "what colour is a fire engine?" and to use the font colours to show you.

I might type red
You might type red
Jackrock might type red
Loppfessor might type red because he has dog vision.

Then we'd know something was wrong because we'd all be showing the colour we see when we say that word, and Lopp would be the odd one out, non?

[Loppfessor]

Hey! Why do I gotta be the odd one out????

[Freebasser]

Look, you have dog vision.

Just get used to it already.

[Loppfessor]

Look, you have dog vision.

Just get used to it already.


whatever man, you're talkin crazy talk...<scratches behind ear with toes> Oh shit!...umm I gotta go

[Bob]

no, because fire engines are objectively painted red. if a fire engine is red, that's the only color it's ever going to be. normal red may look like this, and dog vision red may look like this, but whatever we think red LOOKS like, the fire engine is still that color. so if he's "mistaken" about what red looks like on the fire engine, he's going to be mistaken about what red looks like on the font colors too. he's going to pick the color that corresponds to the color he sees on the fire engine, and he's going to call it red, because to him, that's what red is. our red and his red may look different depending on our individual perceptions, but it's still the same color, and it's still called red, and all red things will appear to be that color.

i know that doesn't make a ton of sense in writing, but it's the best explanation i can give at the moment...if i think of a better one i'll keep you posted

[Freebasser]

You'll be back with your ball in 5 minutes.

Bob - Stop making my brain bleed!

[Bob]

hahaha, outstanding avatar and signature

and people say that a philosophy education is worthless. i can make peoples' brains bleed, using only my words!

unless they don't read them

or think about them

or hit me

[Freebasser]

Thankyou! From now on, I'll also be writing in red.

[fucktopgirl]

you guys all suffer from daltonism, its affects moslty man! :D

[Loppfessor]

Well thanks for the chat gents but my shift is over. Until tomorrow...uh or at least tonight.

[Freebasser]

G'night, Lopp (y)

I hope you enjoyed your day, and aren't feeling too blue.

[tracky]

I know exactly what you're getting at here, but personally I think we are all experiencing the same thing. Biologically we are all wired up pretty much the same. It would probably be impossible to see in "inverted vision" because of the way the light interacts with your eye. We'd all experience white as the same thing, and since white is a mixture of all the colours, I'm pretty sure we're all seeing the same colour.

[jackrock]

thank you bob for backing me up! :)

[like2_drink]

because the matrix tells us what green is.....seriously dude you're too young to be smokin all that weed.

mr.gallant?

[Chicka B]

Yeah, I've thought about that before. How would we explain to a blind person what blue looks like. I remember reading an article on that before, very interesting. (y) You'd have to somehow find the perfect adjetives to describe blue, like how's it feel, taste, sound, and smell so they can get a picture in their head on what it looks like. Since they are blind, it makes all of their other senses stronger I heard.

[Monsieur Decuts]

i had some psychology or philosophy class in university where some acedemic argued having this exact thought was an indication of reaching some level of something or another...i guess its that common of a thought...i've had it!

I really believe that some people see colours differently. The actual colours are the same though casue they're just photons emited at a constant wavelength based on upon the energy released when the excited electron from the inital collison jumps down a few energy states ....but everyone's receptors may take that photon and process it different..who knows...

Let's get us some fresh eyeballs and hookem up to a LightBright and see what we can figure out!

[jackrock]

haha i forgot all about lightbrites!! :D

[kleptomaniac]

ask jeeves? :confused:

[jackrock]

no

[kleptomaniac]

no

yes

[jackrock]

quit it

[kleptomaniac]

quit it


i'm too legit. too legit to quit.

[Loppfessor]

Yeah, I've thought about that before. How would we explain to a blind person what blue looks like. I remember reading an article on that before, very interesting. (y) You'd have to somehow find the perfect adjetives to describe blue, like how's it feel, taste, sound, and smell so they can get a picture in their head on what it looks like. Since they are blind, it makes all of their other senses stronger I heard.


Didn't you see Mask dude? Even blindos know that blue is blue and red is red


For real man...if you've never seen Mask go rent it. Cher plays a real tramp in it too and I think she may have one an award for it. Anyway all your questions will be answered