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roosta
12-11-2005, 05:33 PM
This should be good. I've always wanted Shadow to work with more rappers, and Banner's pretty handy on the mic...

Two Worlds Collide
Regional rapper David Banner and turntable legend DJ Shadow make an unlikely pairing. Memphis plays a part.
ANDREA LISLE

This is David Banner's time. The Jackson, Mississippi-based rapper's fourth album, Certified, debuted at number 6 on the Billboard charts, nestled between releases from Barbra Streisand and Earth, Wind & Fire. "Play," the album's lead track, broke onto the Hot 100's Top 10 list, and Banner's efforts for Hurricane Katrina victims landed a favorable notice in The New York Times. In October, Banner was particularly busy: He recorded a series of exclusive, crunk-based ringtones for the Urban World Wireless network, filmed scenes for his silver-screen debut (Banner's portraying Tehronne, a character in Craig Brewer's latest movie, Black Snake Moan), laid down a new version of "Play" for the NBA, and contributed a rap to an upcoming DJ Shadow project.

More mainstream-able than acts like Three 6 Mafia, more grounded than the party-all-the-time Ying Yang Twins, more serious than the always clowning Lil' Jon, Banner -- who possesses a business degree from Baton Rouge's Southern University -- is the perfect candidate to bring crunk music to the masses. For most Southerners, he represents the Dirty South's great black hope.

"Memphis and Mississippi have never been cool enough," Banner explains. "There are so many creative, intelligent people from Mississippi," he says, citing homegrown heroes such as Oprah Winfrey, "but when they were getting hot, they didn't talk about it. At the same time, you've got groups like Three 6, who helped birth the crunk genre but never got credit for it, because other people took off."

Bay area hip-hop phenomenon Josh Davis (aka DJ Shadow) agrees: "I remember the first time I played crunk stuff, back in 2000 at Scratchcon, which was supposedly the highest echelon of turntablism. People were saying I don't think you can play that here. The subtext was, you're not allowed to step into other boxes.

"I've always hated that mentality," says the freewheeling Davis, whose '96 instrumental hip-hop masterpiece, Entroducing, was released to universal acclaim and re-released in an expanded version earlier this year. "I started off making tracks for a rapper named Paris, and all the early work I did was straight-ahead hip-hop. A lot of people who say they like my stuff aren't as open-minded as they think they are, which is disappointing.

"David Banner has obviously been around for a minute," says Davis, who explains that Banner's work with Crooked Lettaz caught his attention several years ago. "What I like about [Banner's 2003 solo release] Mississippi is that it starts off with really hard crunk stuff but mellows out into Southern soul. It's got a politically conscious vibe, which attracted me beyond his voice and his hit singles. 'Like a Pimp' is banging, but the album is more multidimensional than that."

Davis says that for his upcoming album, which is slated for May 2006, he decided to reach out to Banner and other Southern rappers, including Memphian Project Pat, who hasn't yet committed to the project. "I definitely didn't want to sit down and just do another instrumental hip-hop album," Davis explains. "That's not where my head is now. I wanted to collaborate with people outside of that realm.

"I first got together with David in November 2004," he says. "I tried Mystikal and Project Pat but ended up coming back to Banner. Fortunately, I was able to be with him when he did the first verse in L.A., and when it came to the second verse, I knew he'd be able to pick up the thread."

Banner chose to finish the track here in Memphis, at Scott Bomar's Electraphonic Studio in Midtown. Twelve hours after he, Bomar, and rapper Al Kapone shared the stage for a Craig Brewer tribute during the Recording Academy Honors, held at the Cook Convention Center in late October, Banner arrived at the studio, asked for a blank sheet of paper, and scrawled the lyrics for "Seein' Things."

"I'm wondering if the feds broke the levee/Are they in with the devil to control the weather?" he muses on the song, which touches on national politics, the Katrina aftermath, and the African-American diaspora.

No sooner was that track finished than Banner pulled out a tape containing instrumental versions of "Play," because he needed to cut a PG-rated, basketball-centric version of the song for the NBA. Within the hour, Banner was back on the road, headed to the airport and a European promotional tour.

"Last year, when I was getting this project happening, David was at a lull in his career," Davis notes. "Now, I feel lucky that I was able to get involved."

Reginald
12-11-2005, 06:12 PM
I'm going to lose respect for DJ Shadow.

EN[i]GMA
12-11-2005, 08:03 PM
What is he thinking?

I could name, literally, 50 rappers I would rather see him work with, at least.

roosta
12-12-2005, 04:07 AM
yeah, there's better rappers out there..for sure. But Banner's not bad...

Shadow however loves "crunk" music, so that probably informed his decision,

laserx54
12-12-2005, 09:39 AM
oh.....my....god


at least tell me this will show up on a Shadow collaboration and NOT on his next album..

Reginald
12-12-2005, 09:45 AM
'Endtroducing' was a fucking awesome album.

roosta
12-12-2005, 09:51 AM
oh.....my....god


at least tell me this will show up on a Shadow collaboration and NOT on his next album..

whats the problem?

so far it looks like its gonna be his album.....

Reginald
12-12-2005, 09:53 AM
David Banner is a piece of monkey crap.

Gareth
12-12-2005, 01:21 PM
whatever
i'm playing cadillacs on 22s at my funeral

you're not allowed to step into other boxes

roosta
12-12-2005, 01:38 PM
"I've always hated that mentality,"

bumps "funky skunk" mixed by Dj Shadow (opens with Three 6 Mafia "Baby Mama")

laserx54
12-12-2005, 04:04 PM
He was going in the right direction on "Mashin on the Motorway" from Private Press. The cut with Lateef the Truth Speaker was a nice break from "intstrumental hip-hop".


But this just seems like an attempt to cash in or become mainstream

ET
12-12-2005, 04:32 PM
Project Pat

OH SNAP!

I would flip if this ended up being played in clubs. I don't think this is Josh trying to cash in. He's been a fan of southern hip hop (and psychadelic music?) for years. I guess it was only a matter of time before he wanted to collaborate with some of the guys.

muddfoot
12-12-2005, 08:31 PM
I don't think it matters who he works with, look at that song he did with roots manuva. the beat is what makes it good not the person rhyming on it.

Gareth
12-12-2005, 11:22 PM
i hear he did a tune with keak da sneak too
why question shadow's motives for wanting to work with banner and/or project pat?
play + what happened to that boy, that was nice.

Volczek
12-13-2005, 12:57 AM
the beat is what makes it good not the person rhyming on it.

I would disagree with this assertion. if an MC sucks no beat can save them really. but even sucky MCs can fair okay on a really great beat. and great MCs can sound pretty great even on shit beats. i'm reminded of that pre-punk'd MTV prank show called "method and red" where method man and redman went around pranking people. one show they had Ludacris on and brought him into the recording studio to record a track but the beat was intentionally shit. ludacris still managed to sound pretty sweet tho, even tho the beat was absolutely busted.

back to banner tho, i'm not too familiar with his work, but the song Cum Girl is unfuckwitably great.

The Notorious LOL
12-13-2005, 12:57 AM
Id rather hear David Banner on Shadows album than fucking Lyrics Born or half of those Quannum homos.

ASsman
12-13-2005, 01:53 AM
Buh, it'll work.

Vladimir
12-13-2005, 05:46 PM
Shadow can probably pull it off. Banner gets a (y) in my book, honestly, for being one of the few southern rappers who can talk. It's like baby steps. You have to learn to crawl before you walk, and you have to learn to talk before you rap. I'm talking to you, Paul Wall.

checkyourprez
12-14-2005, 06:42 PM
lot of haters.

but these people simply know music better than the rest of us...they know this album will suck because david banner is kinda commerical and they cant like anything like that.

grow up boy.

diezdiazgiant
12-14-2005, 07:05 PM
sounds awesome.

to be honest the only times i liked endtroducing was when i was stoned beyond recognition and just chilling. his instrumentals get boring quick.
in addition - i hate shadow's stuck up fans. most of them are a bunhc of pretentious dorks with no clue at all about what skills are involved in DJing yet theyre the first to put down "mainstream" hiphop production when in fact the production techniques are exactly the same just with differnt sound aesthetics.

these are the same dorks that will listen to some shitty emcee (like sole of anticon) with terrible flow just because the emcee throws metaphors or political references into his lyrics. some people need to learn breath control...

Vladimir
12-14-2005, 08:19 PM
in addition - i hate shadow's stuck up fans. most of them are a bunhc of pretentious dorks with no clue at all about what skills are involved in DJing yet theyre the first to put down "mainstream" hiphop production when in fact the production techniques are exactly the same just with differnt sound aesthetics.


I agree with you regarding elitist underground hip-hop fanboys. That said, it's not entirely true to say that all hip-hop production uses the same techniques. The fact is that Endtroducing is 100% sample-based, as The Private Press is (but don't quote me on that one). Just as an example, most of the new beats coming out of Dr. Dre's studio literally sound like a bunch of Casio keyboard effects layered over each other, and certainly aren't 100% sample-based. I'm not saying either one is better, but there is a definite distinction.

EN[i]GMA
12-14-2005, 09:49 PM
hate shadow's stuck up fans. most of them are a bunhc of pretentious dorks with no clue at all about what skills are involved in DJing yet theyre the first to put down "mainstream" hiphop production when in fact the production techniques are exactly the same just with differnt sound aesthetics.

Well... the production isn't quite the same. Both are based on loops, but a regular beat might repeat itself 3 times with minor variaton. Most of the bars will be identical, becaue the beat might only go for 2 or so bars than start up again, with a variation for the chorus etc.

SHadow's beats are mostly based on a single sample, but every other sound (Up to like, 6 or 7 layers, opposed to like 3 or 4 in a regular beat) comes in at different intervals.

Most of the bars, are unique, aside from the obvious loops, due to the different sounds, different drum hits from the MPC etc.

His production was based on regular techniques, but it was just better, a lot like the Dust Bros on Paul's.

Yeah, it was samples and loops, but it was so complex with so many samples and so many layers it was a whole new thing.

diezdiazgiant
12-14-2005, 10:04 PM
I agree with you regarding elitist underground hip-hop fanboys. That said, it's not entirely true to say that all hip-hop production uses the same techniques. The fact is that Endtroducing is 100% sample-based, as The Private Press is (but don't quote me on that one). Just as an example, most of the new beats coming out of Dr. Dre's studio literally sound like a bunch of Casio keyboard effects layered over each other, and certainly aren't 100% sample-based. I'm not saying either one is better, but there is a definite distinction.


heh thats because dre has been sued alot over his sample usage.
dre isnt my taste but i respect him, he definitly knows what he is doing and has put out some top notch instrumentals.

plus one can easily argue that casio beat type shit is pretty true to old school.
simple repetition with only a couple of bars of movement - back when drum machines were just 16 steps not 16 by 8 with multiple banks of memory and no sampling capabilities. hell that was part of the technical wonder of pauls boutique, the loops were literally loops of analog tape tediusly put together by hand and not some shit made on an mpc where you can have instant looping.

Rip Round'n Roc
12-17-2005, 02:53 PM
i hear he did a tune with keak da sneak too
.
that song "3 freaks (feat turf talk)" is crazy dope

Auton
12-17-2005, 03:15 PM
I'm really excited about this. I'm not massively into crunk, but I think it's a really good idea for Shadow to do this, and I'm expecting really interesting (at the very least) results. and yeah, I'd rather have banner than underground rappers gaying it up.