Actors that should be where other actors are

[mickill]

it's like this, see...in a perfect world, Parker Posey would have been getting Reese Witherspoon money by now and Cameron Diaz would be somewhere out there asking people if they'd like to 'biggie size' their burger combos. Cate Blanchett would have an Oscar, Gwyneth Paltrow wouldn't; Bill Murray would have one and Robin Williams wouldn't. If Daniel Day Lewis had accepted the role that eventually went to Tom Hanks for Philadelphia, I wonder if he'd have done more with his talent by now. And I wonder if Tom Hanks would have been doing sequels to Joe Versus The Volcano...or pumping people's gas, which would be nice. Seriously, why is J-Lo getting 15 million a picture? Why is James Caan doing tv shows? Why is Tobey Maguire making more money than Edward Norton and Mark Wahlberg combined? There's more, obviously, but I'm just thinking out loud at the moment.

[Medellia]

Cate Blanchett does have an Oscar. Best Supporting Actress for The Aviator. Spot on about Murray, Wahlberg, and Norton, though.

[mickill]

My bad. I meant to say an Oscar for Best Actress. She was up against Gwyneth Paltrow a few years back for her performance in Elizabeth and Gwyneth won for Shakespeare In Love instead. Cate was robbed.

[Nuzzolese]

I always see people working minimum wage who deserve a management position, if anything. It's like that all over. Could you imagine what would happen if the really good actors got all the big roles and we were told they were the best? It would be too much for us to handle. The profundity of their performances would be so expansive and deep that it would be like a human hand to our daddy long leg mouths, too big to bite. The public recognition of their talent would crush us.

[Qdrop]

the bigger question is why do Actors even get big money?
why should J-Lo get 15 million to do Monster in Law, while a public school teacher gets $29,000/yr trying to prepare young children to be the future of our world?

All actors (and artists) should make very little money....it keeps art pure, untainted, and prioritized with other far more important professions.


and if anyone tries to justify an actor getting paid millions because "they make people happy, and entertain us blah blah blah", i will mail a dead weasel to your house....wrapped in moldy lettuce.

[fucktopgirl]

yes ,definitely outrageous the amount of money they get for movies, i dont think there worth that much,,,,!But that business movie make millions so actors make millions,what can you do, that the way it goes!

[ms.peachy]

All actors (and artists) should make very little money....it keeps art pure, untainted, and prioritized with other far more important professions.

Add sports players to that list. Why grown people should get paid so much money to play with balls is beyond me.

[roosta]

actors make alot of money for other people, so those other people give actors lots of money

or something like that.

but i cosign on murray, norton and wahlberg.

[abcdefz]

Steve Zahn is a rich man's Woody Harrelson. (y)

[mickill]

Okay, Parker Posey's not getting a lot of love here. I must be on my own on that one. In actuality, I pretty much started this thread over her.

Anyway, the point isn't how much money actors make (however outrageous that typically is) but that equally and often far more talented actors get marginalized by the industry while their less accomplished peers garner the bigger and better roles and yeah, demand the bigger salaries.

[Nuzzolese]

I have loved parker posey in everything she's ever done - and it's true that she almost always plays the same loud mouth high strung freak, that's no reason not to give her more roles. Maybe people don't want to see her because they think loud mouth high strung freaks are too big city or abrasive and they want to see the same soft spoken goofy romantic meg ryan types.

I like Reese Witherspoon. She was entertaining in Election.

[bigblu89]

the bigger question is why do Actors even get big money?
why should J-Lo get 15 million to do Monster in Law, while a public school teacher gets $29,000/yr trying to prepare young children to be the future of our world?

When was the last time hundreds of thousands of people paid upwards of $10 to see someone teach a kid how to read?

You have to spend money to make money.

Very rarely does a movie with a bunch of "nobodies" gross a ton of money in the box office.

[ms.peachy]

I quite like Parker Posey, but I can see how she's not an actress with real 'mainstream appeal'. Frankly, she's not bland enough. Like Lili Taylor or Jennifer Tilly - they're all totallygreat, but just not as uberboring wonderbread as yer Sandra Bullocks or yer Julia Robertses.

[Nuzzolese]

OMG I just realized Tom Hanks dumped Parker Posey for Meg Ryan in You've Got Mail. That was an oddly casted movie. You had these big stars like Dabney Coleman, Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan, Greg Kinear (who had only recently become big name) and then in the supporting cast they had Parker Posey, Dave Chappelle, and Steve Zahn.

[Nuzzolese]

Now that I think about it, I didn't really like her in Josie and The Pussycats.

[Qdrop]

Now that I think about it, I didn't really like her in Josie and The Pussycats.

she was spectacular in that...
even better than her role in Waiting for Guffman...

but nothing tops her Best of Show performance.


i found her a little bland in Party Girl.....

she is a fine actress, mike. a fine actress.

[Lex Diamonds]

My bad. I meant to say an Oscar for Best Actress. She was up against Gwyneth Paltrow a few years back for her performance in Elizabeth and Gwyneth won for Shakespeare In Love instead. Cate was robbed.
Yeah but Gwyn got her baps out. (y)

[Qdrop]

Add sports players to that list. Why grown people should get paid so much money to play with balls is beyond me.

agreed 100%.

[Qdrop]

When was the last time hundreds of thousands of people paid upwards of $10 to see someone teach a kid how to read?
tell me what would do more for our society: paying teachers far better salaries so it would attract the best and brightest minds in the country, competing to be the best teachers possible and make great money (much like many medical professions) so that students of all walks of life are given the best possible educations, with cutting edge technology, new learning techniques, and higher standards....
or
paying tom cruise another 16 million to do Minority Report 2?

You have to spend money to make money. and which do you think will have the best return? millions of kids and teens educated to thier optimum....or Minority Report 2?

Very rarely does a movie with a bunch of "nobodies" gross a ton of money in the box office. who gives a shit? you're missing the point.

our countries priorities are fuckin skewed....

[mickill]

I have loved parker posey in everything she's ever done - and it's true that she almost always plays the same loud mouth high strung freak, that's no reason not to give her more roles. Maybe people don't want to see her because they think loud mouth high strung freaks are too big city or abrasive and they want to see the same soft spoken goofy romantic meg ryan types.

I like Reese Witherspoon. She was entertaining in Election.
I used to love Reese, especially in Freeway, Election, Overnight Delivery. Now, she's all right, I suppose. I think she could have been doing much better movies with her time over the last few years, though. I was just saying Parker Posey should be getting paid like her. I don't think there's anything that Reese could do that Parker couldn't pull off just as well and possibly better.

Q, her best performance was easily in House Of Yes.

[roosta]

i would have said the reason football players get paid loads is cuz they make their employers lots of money, but most soccer clubs run at a loss..

[Qdrop]

I used to love Reese, especially in Freeway, Election, nice.
Overnight Delivery. huh? you crackhead.

Now, she's all right, I suppose. I think she could have been doing much better movies with her time over the last few years, though. I was just saying Parker Posey should be getting paid like her. I don't think there's anything that Reese could do that Parker couldn't pull off just as well and possibly better. dude, though i don't like the movies themselves....Reese is one of the few actresses that i think could have pulled the Legally Blonde character without it coming of as completely over the top hackery (like any Rob Schneider flick).
even Paker could not have pulled that off as well...though i'm, sure she would have been seriously fucking funny.

how do you all feel about Selma Blair?

[mickill]

I can't say I've had the pleasure of seeing Blade:Trinity yet, but I'll make a note, cmute. Thanks.

I quite like Parker Posey, but I can see how she's not an actress with real 'mainstream appeal'. Frankly, she's not bland enough. Like Lili Taylor or Jennifer Tilly - they're all totallygreat, but just not as uberboring wonderbread as yer Sandra Bullocks or yer Julia Robertses.
I think Jennifer Tilly is awesome...and she has big boobs. I think Sandra Bullock started out with a lot of potential. I loved her in Demolition Man. Not that I'm accusing you of having seen Demolition Man, but the point is, she did have potential at one point...but her boobs aren't anything special.

[roosta]

id say "whattup girl" to selma blair.


then walk away embarrised.

[Echewta]

mmmmmmmmm Cate Blanchett.

[Qdrop]

i would have said the reason football players get paid loads is cuz they make their employers lots of money

but the point i'm making is the the dollars are going to the wrong industry....
the wrong people in the wrong industry are making the money....

[roosta]

but the point i'm making is the the dollars are going to the wrong industry....
the wrong people in the wrong industry are making the money....

yeah...its fucked in an ethical way...but other than that, it makes sense.

supply and demand and all that....

[mickill]

nice.
huh? you crackhead.

dude, though i don't like the movies themselves....Reese is one of the few actresses that i think could have pulled the Legally Blonde character without it coming of as completely over the top hackery (like any Rob Schneider flick).
even Paker could not have pulled that off as well...though i'm, sure she would have been seriously fucking funny.

how do you all feel about Selma Blair?
I'm not a huge Selma Blair fan. And I think I was disturbed after seeing her in Storytelling.

I'm not a fan of either Legally Blonde movie or Reese's acting in them, really. I wouldn't say she did a bad job, but I just don't know how to critique her performance without being influenced by the retarded movies themselves. I think Jennifer Coolidge is good in them, though. Well, in the first one.

What was wrong with Reese's performance in Overnight Delivery? I'm not saying the movie itself was fantastic, but come on.

[Nuzzolese]

People are uncomfortable with blatantly funny women. Most prefer women who are seemingly accidentally funny, or daffy.

[abcdefz]

I think Jennifer Tilly is awesome...and she has big boobs.





Meg was great in The Big Chill.




I think Sandra Bullock started out with a lot of potential.




Tons of talent and zero taste.

She was the only good thing about Speed.

[abcdefz]

People are uncomfortable with blatantly funny women. Most prefer women who are seemingly accidentally funny, or daffy.



I could get very comfortable with Joan Cusack.

[Nuzzolese]

What do you think of Christina Applegate?

[ms.peachy]

People are uncomfortable with blatantly funny women. Most prefer women who are seemingly accidentally funny, or daffy.
There's a lot of truth in that. Take the most successful female comic actress ever, Lucille Ball. Everyone 'loved Lucy' because the character she played was loopy, daft, full of hare-brained schemes. But Ball was an incredibly sharp cookie.

[Nuzzolese]

I could get very comfortable with Joan Cusack.

I liked her delivery in Toys.

"Well, red means caution. Or beef if its a bullion cube."

[Nuzzolese]

There's a lot of truth in that. Take the most successful female comic actress ever, Lucille Ball. Everyone 'loved Lucy' because the character she played was loopy, daft, full of hare-brained schemes. But Ball was an incredibly sharp cookie.

There is a place in comedy for quick witted sharp tongued tough shrews like Maddie Hayes in Moonlighting or Alice in The Honeymooners. But it's true they're not the most popular. I mean, the show was about Mary, not Rhoda....of ourse that was an ensemble cast. And what about Carla on Cheers? I think those characters require a buffoon in order to give them something to react to. They're the "straight man" person.

[Qdrop]

I can't say I've had the pleasure of seeing Blade:Trinity yet, but I'll make a note, cmute. Thanks.
dont' do it...don't.

I think Sandra Bullock started out with a lot of potential. I loved her in Demolition Man. Not that I'm accusing you of having seen Demolition Man, but the point is, she did have potential at one point...but her boobs aren't anything special. her boobs are fine.
at least she's officially sworn off romantic comedies for the forseeable future.

[Qdrop]

I'm not a fan of either Legally Blonde movie or Reese's acting in them, really. I wouldn't say she did a bad job, but I just don't know how to critique her performance without being influenced by the retarded movies themselves. i understand...it is difficult.

I think Jennifer Coolidge is good in them, though. Well, in the first one. you know, i like her too....but ....come on...admit it...she plays the same damn person in every movie. she's shows 0 range.

What was wrong with Reese's performance in Overnight Delivery? I'm not saying the movie itself was fantastic, but come on. her performance was just kinda....there. it was average, attainable....cute but boring.
and yes....the movie was fuckin wretched.

[Qdrop]

People are uncomfortable with blatantly funny women. Most prefer women who are seemingly accidentally funny, or daffy.

true...hence the success of Sandra Bullock and the demonizing of Sarah Silverman....

[Qdrop]

you know what else?

people need to admit that Ellen Degeneras is fuckin hystarical and stop hating...
seriously....
there are so few people with her natural sense of timing....so few...and use of tone and mood.

[abcdefz]

What do you think of Christina Applegate?



...Married with Children? Babysitter's Dead?

I don't really know her stuff.

[roosta]

she's too annoying to be funny.

julia louis-dreyfus. now there's a woman with comedy in her blood.

[mickill]

Jennifer Coolidge has no range, I agree. But she plays that role very well. I sometimes don't mind that, though; when actors find their niche and just run with it. As long as they don't do it forever. And as long as it's not an annoying niche.

Christina Applegate is probably one of my favorite Christina actors, maybe second only to Christina Ricci.

[Qdrop]

christina has loads of talent, but is terrible at picking agents and scripts....

she needs to do some drama and get the fuck out of romantic comedies....for a while anyway.

[instigator7022]

For some reason I really like Patricia Arquette especially in True Romance.

[abcdefz]

I liked her delivery in Toys.

"Well, red means caution. Or beef if its a bullion cube."



She's always always always good.

Even in School of Rock; she acts in that role, and Lord knows no one needed to.

The scene where she and Jack Black get back to school in the van and she kind of sternly but not horribly asks if he could just shut that off for a minute or whatever... very nicely shaded. (y)

[abcdefz]

Meryl Streep is a wildly underrated comedy actress, oh man.

[Qdrop]

Jennifer Coolidge has no range, I agree. But she plays that role very well. I sometimes don't mind that, though; when actors find their niche and just run with it. As long as they don't do it forever. And as long as it's not an annoying niche. Christopher Walken.

Christina Applegate is probably one of my favorite Christina actors, maybe second only to Christina Ricci. Ricci could drop kick her off any set with just one line.
Ricci rocks.

[monkey]

actors in this thread that i think are fantastic:
parker posey (brilliant. love house of yes)
cate blanchett (there's not a role she's done that makes me think she's not a genious)
jennifer tilly (so incredibly funny. i love her)
joan cusack (another simply brilliant actress. she doesnt star in many films, but i think a really good comedy would showcase her amazingly)
ed norton (wow. thats my reaction in most ofhis movies)
mark walhberg (i love the seriousness he has in his face. he'll be a great older actor)
christina ricci (i have somewhat of a girl crush on her and every role she's played after she hit puberty. as in, after casper/addams family)

actors in this thread that i think should quit now before i go postal on them:
gwyneth paltrow (she bugs me. i saw bounce :( )
lily taylor (i want to smack the 90's out of her)
tom hanks (quit making war movies. actually, quit making movies, and just use your voice to do space show narratives)
reese witherspoon (there's something strangely weird with her pretty little face. creeps me out.)
selma blair (annoying. as an actress, every role she's ever played annoys me, except for when she was fat and she had a role as zoe on the wb show called zoe, duncan, jack and jill.)

actors in this thread that arent that great but greatly amuse me:
sandra bullock (just watch love potion #9. riotous!)
jennifer lopez (i dont know. she doesnt deserve 15 mil/picture, but she's oddly amusing to me)
christina applegate (not enough talent to be a great actress, but she might be getting there. she should choose better roles. and in the meanwhile, i will watch countless episodes of married with children)

[Qdrop]

For some reason I really like Patricia Arquette especially in True Romance.

ugh.
that is the ONLY role i can respect her in: strung out dumb slut.

kinda like courtney love...

[mickill]

christina has loads of talent, but is terrible at picking agents and scripts....

she needs to do some drama and get the fuck out of romantic comedies....for a while anyway.
Yeah, I think she needs to try and get bigger parts in films, too.

Don't agree with you on the Ellen thing, though. But she was good in Mr Wrong. Now, she just annoys the hell out of me.

I think Sarah Silverman is an underrated funny girl.

[Nuzzolese]

Meryl Streep is a wildly underrated comedy actress, oh man.

And she can sing, dance, do gymnastics, accents....

[instigator7022]

Gary Oldman is also very amazing. He can do just about any accent that ever exsisted.

[Qdrop]

yeah..and sorry, people...
Jennifer Tilly....not so good.
at all.

[instigator7022]

yeah..and sorry, people...
Jennifer Tilly....not so good.
at all.

she has a weird voice. Also i give her a (n) for bride of chucky or whatever that chucky movie was that she was in

[mickill]

actors in this thread that i think are fantastic:
parker posey (brilliant. love house of yes)
cate blanchett (there's not a role she's done that makes me think she's not a genious)
jennifer tilly (so incredibly funny. i love her)
joan cusack (another simply brilliant actress. she doesnt star in many films, but i think a really good comedy would showcase her amazingly)
ed norton (wow. thats my reaction in most ofhis movies)
mark walhberg (i love the seriousness he has in his face. he'll be a great older actor)


actors in this thread that i think should quit now before i go postal on them:
gwyneth paltrow (she bugs me. i saw bounce :( )
lily taylor (i want to smack the 90's out of her)
tom hanks (quit making war movies. actually, quit making movies, and just use your voice to do space show narratives)
reese witherspoon (there's something strangely weird with her pretty little face. creeps me out.)
selma blair (annoying. as an actress, every role she's ever played annoys me, except for when she was fat and she had a role as zoe on the wb show called zoe, duncan, jack and jill.)

actors in this thread that arent that great but greatly amuse me:
sandra bullock (just watch love potion #9. riotous!)
jennifer lopez (i dont know. she doesnt deserve 15 mil/picture, but she's oddly amusing to me)
christina applegate (not enough talent to be a great actress, but she might be getting there. she should choose better roles. and in the meanwhile, i will watch countless episodes of married with children)

This is a nearly perfect summary. Okay, fine, even I can admit that I've enjoyed a J-Lo performance or two. She was pretty good in Out Of Sight and U-Turn. But her romantic comedies, for the most part, blow.

[Qdrop]

Don't agree with you on the Ellen thing, though. But she was good in Mr Wrong. Now, she just annoys the hell out of me.


well, i'm talking about her stand up as well...which is also acting in my book.

she is over-exposed...but deserves it.
she is just so naturally fuckin funny...and smarter than 80% of hollywood.

[roosta]

JULIA

LOUIS

DREYFUS

game recognise game

[Nuzzolese]

I don't think Jennifer Aniston is funny at all. She has this rigid way about her, the way she moves and holds herself, the way she reads lines.

[Nuzzolese]

This is a nearly perfect summary. Okay, fine, even I can admit that I've enjoyed a J-Lo performance or two. She was pretty good in Out Of Sight and U-Turn. But her romantic comedies, for the most part, blow.

You LIKED her in those movies?! ...wha...wha... (n)

[Qdrop]

she has a weird voice. Also i give her a (n) for bride of chucky or whatever that chucky movie was that she was in

people need to stop with that "she's really talented, and actually very smart" thing...
i think Bill Maher started that a few years ago on Politically Incorrect when he had her on...

smart people don't do Bride of Chucky.

she's a bimbo, playing bimbo roles.

she's the very very very poor man's Marylin Monroe.

[mickill]

I don't think Jennifer Aniston is funny at all. She has this rigid way about her, the way she moves and holds herself, the way she reads lines.
I think she's good. She was really good in The Good Girl. Which was also a pretty good movie.

Oh and Office Space.

[Qdrop]

JULIA

LOUIS

DREYFUS

game recognise game

she rocks...
no one will argue that.

[mickill]

You LIKED her in those movies?! ...wha...wha... (n)
Hey, I didn't say she changed my life or anything, I just didn't feel like I wanted to strangle her in those movies.

[Qdrop]

I think she's good. She was really good in The Good Girl. Which was also a pretty good movie.

Oh and Office Space.

she was great in the Good Girl...

but she is also way too popular compared to her talent level.

i think with Derailed and her other movie out bombing..she will be brought back to earth a little.

the only role/emotion she plays REALLY well is the "broken hearted, confused girl".
her comedy is decent, but attainable.

[Qdrop]

Hey, I didn't say she changed my life or anything, I just didn't feel like I wanted to strangle her in those movies.

she WAS great in those movies as well as Selena....

she should have stuck with drama....


why does every attractive actress fall for the romantic comedy trap? why?
is it just the money?
or do they truly beleive that they will climb mount improbable and shine above the rest?

[Nuzzolese]

Every attractive actress does not fall for the romantic comedy trap. Think about what you said, that is a silly generalization.

[abcdefz]

And she can sing, dance, do gymnastics, accents....


She's pretty awesome. Clearly, her "talent" setting is switched to "on."

[Echewta]

Gary Oldman, where are you?

[Nuzzolese]

Michelle Rodriguez and Chloe Sevigny. Your thoughts. I like them. I used to like Kate Beckinsale but she's gone for the slutty bombshell bad movie route instead of the polished sophisticated intelligent route.

[instigator7022]

Gary Oldman, where are you?

He was going to take the role as the warden in the longest yard but alas, something went wrong. He's in HP though (y)

[Nuzzolese]

It's too bad when people have to defend some actresses by insisting that they are very smart. I mean, maybe they're only moderately smart, but you'd have to be a genius to make up for being that beautiful.

[monkey]

i think the actresses just think it must be great to be loved and do romantic comedies. cause romantic comedy actresses get looooove, by millions of midwestern housewives, suburban folks, and 15 year old girls.

jennifer lopez in selena was creepy good. but there was a lot of selena footage and if jennifer lopez couldnt study that, then she would be a really really bad actress. she needs to take smaller dramatic roles. i thought her role in 'shall we dance' was good. kinda small, kinda reserved, save the comedy for the others. plus, her name was paulina.

anyways.. jennifer aniston in the good girl was ok, but it's hard to separate the actress from the character. she needs to change physically onscreen, i think, so i can get the image of rachel out of my head. she's way too embedded in my psyche as rachel.

jake gyllenhaal is foxxxy. and if he decided to stay in smaller movies and do more interesting roles, he could become a great actor. but if he decides to go the route of 'the day after tomorrow'... then, well, he's foxxxy.

sarah silverman is hilarious. i havent yet seen her movie, jesus is magic. maybe i'll do that later.

chloe sevigny is terrible. she's only good at playing what she is...coked out hipster.

michelle rodriguez is pretty kick ass, in terms of choosing really masculine female roles. she takes them on well. i would like to see her play a really girly girl though. then i'll make up my mind about her acting talents.

[synch]

Good points. That has always bothered me about Daniel Day-Lewis. When he one his Oscar for "My Left Foot", I sersiously thought "Holy Shit! :eek: That guy is normal?!". I have never really been impressed with someone playing crazy or mentally challenged, to me that is easier than developing a regular person, however, his performance was truly phenomenal. (y)
Check out what's eating gilbert grape.

[abcdefz]

Ryan Gosling is awfully promising. Rachel McAdams, too.

[instigator7022]

Check out what's eating gilbert grape.

That movie was soooooo good.

[mickill]

she WAS great in those movies as well as Selena....

she should have stuck with drama....


why does every attractive actress fall for the romantic comedy trap? why?
is it just the money?
or do they truly beleive that they will climb mount improbable and shine above the rest?
Yeah but when she tried to go back to doing serious movies, she just ends up doing crap like Angel Eyes. Man, I hate that movie. And she played serious in Shall We Dance which sucked hard. Real hard. Don't nobody ask why I've seen most of her movies please.

Meryl Streep is amazing. And Gary Oldman CAN play just about any role. His Drexl character in True Romance -- even though he was supposed to be a white guy who just tried to act black -- was very convincing. It wasn't annoying in an Eminem kind of way.

[abcdefz]

Jennifer Lopez's performance in Out of Sight is terrific. Terrific.

Looking at the deleted stuff, it looks like it might've been cobbled together in the editing room (her trunk scene, Take 80 notwithstanding, is awfully poor); but the performance that's there oncreen is just fine. (y) (y) (y)

[DandyFop]

I love Tom Hanks.

[mickill]

Michelle Rodriguez and Chloe Sevigny. Your thoughts. I like them. I used to like Kate Beckinsale but she's gone for the slutty bombshell bad movie route instead of the polished sophisticated intelligent route.
I like all of them, including Kate.

I used to really like Chloe Sevigny, especially in Trees Lounge, The Last Days Of Disco, Boys Don't Cry, but her uncensored fellatio scene in The Brown Bunny kinda made me cringe. I thought she may have flushed her entire career down the toilet at that point.

[monkey]

Ryan Gosling is awfully promising. Rachel McAdams, too.

agreed. theyre pretty and they both have a lovely spark.
also in my to watch list: michael pitt. if he can play a role other than really super sensitive boy, then im gonna really love him. plus he has really cute pillow lips.

[DandyFop]

Oh yes Rachel McAdams. She has been great in various roles. I'm really excited to see what else she chooses. She'll be an Oscar nominee one day.

[abcdefz]

I thought she may have flushed her entire career down the toilet at that point.




....I thought she swallowed it. :confused:

[abcdefz]

agreed. theyre pretty and they both have a lovely spark.
also in my to watch list: michael pitt. if he can play a role other than really super sensitive boy, then im gonna really love him. plus he has really cute pillow lips.



I haven't seen Last Days yet, but he was pretty good in The Dreamers. Can't fault him for having pretty crappy dialogue to say from time to time.

Bertolucci [sp?]. Pfft! :rolleyes:

[mickill]

....I thought she swallowed it. :confused:
Yeah, if she were smarter she woulda pulled out of this one.

[Qdrop]

anyways.. jennifer aniston in the good girl was ok, but it's hard to separate the actress from the character. she needs to change physically onscreen, i think, so i can get the image of rachel out of my head. she's way too embedded in my psyche as rachel. great great point.


chloe sevigny is terrible. she's only good at playing what she is...coked out hipster. yeah, the jury is still out with her...
giving someone a real blow job on camera and calling it "art" doesn't really raise you up much in my book.

michelle rodriguez is pretty kick ass, in terms of choosing really masculine female roles. she takes them on well. i would like to see her play a really girly girl though. then i'll make up my mind about her acting talents. agreed.

[Qdrop]

Every attractive actress does not fall for the romantic comedy trap. Think about what you said, that is a silly generalization.

i'm telling you...
Cate Blanchet and Kate Winslet are next....

they all fall for it....

[ToucanSpam]

I'd just like to put it out there now, that The Rock makes ten million per motion picture film now.


Seriously.

[roosta]

Rosario Dawson is quite good.

[abcdefz]

Yeah, if she were smarter she woulda pulled out of this one.



...I wonder if she demanded whatever porn stars do, which I assume includes medical checkups/blood tests, a certain amount of bathing, etc.

I've never seen Gallo in anything, but from his photos, the man looks greasy and awfully nasty. Maybe that was the attraction. It sure couldn't have been the bread.

[Qdrop]

Rosario Dawson is quite good.
but those nostrils, man....those nostrils....
she's gotta get those things equalized.

[ToucanSpam]

Rosario Dawson is quite good.
She sucked in Alexander.
She sucked in Sin City.
She was in MIB II for god's sake.

[mickill]

Rosario Dawson is quite good.
I think she's awesome. And I don't see a problem with her nostrils. Let's not be vain.

[roosta]

She sucked in Alexander.
She sucked in Sin City.
She was in MIB II for god's sake.

what? how so?

[ToucanSpam]

what? how so?
Well, maybe sucked is too much... I just didn't like her character, I found her to be too much, as in kind of scary insted of sexy...

[Nuzzolese]

i'm telling you...
Cate Blanchet and Kate Winslet are next....

they all fall for it....

What do you mean by trap? Do you mean they do one romantic comedy or they start doing a string of them?

[Qdrop]

What do you mean by trap? Do you mean they do one romantic comedy or they start doing a string of them?

a string, obviously.

and then they just keep churning them out....shitty script after shitty script...but they get paid a butt load, and they get more magazine covers as "america's sweetheart" (look at meg ryan)...and then, when they try to do some serious work..FLOP!!
and then you're fucked.

meg ryan is fuckin fucked.

sandra bullock pulled out at the last possible second....she still has a chance.

[mickill]

Cate and Kate are never going to do a string of romantic comedies each. That's a really bad prediction.

[ToucanSpam]

.

sandra bullock pulled out at the last possible second....she still has a chance.

Miss Congeniality 2(spelling) was the last straw. The last straw.

[abcdefz]

Miss Congeniality 2(spelling) was the last straw. The last straw.


...I only made it through about 20 minutes of the first one. Went to see it just for her, too, and I couldn't take it.

[ToucanSpam]

She's done in my eyes. So is Brittney Murphy. Done.

[Qdrop]

Cate and Kate are never going to do a string of romantic comedies each. That's a really bad prediction.

pray that you're right...
pray....

but i can just see it now...kate winslet plays a struggling single mom, trying to find love in the heart of NYC. Tom hanks is a swinging bachelor who works too much....just one thing could bring them together....(cue James Brown "I feel good")...Edward the Chimp!

[WhoMoi?]

JULIA

LOUIS

DREYFUS

game recognise game

She may be the funniest actress I can think of. I wish she would do more now.

[Documad]

I'm excited to see so many people talking up The House of Yes. Outside my little group of Posey-loving friends, I don't know anyone who's seen it. (Parker Posey was one of the final judges on the first season of Project Runway. ;) I think they said "actress and fashion fan Parker Posey" and then she swept in with this wild hair, giant European sunglasses, and a huge, arty shawl) (second real episode of second season airs tomorrow)

I enjoyed Reese in Election and Freeway, but she lost me forever with Sweet Home Alabama.

I enjoyed Kate Beckinsale in Cold Comfort Farm, but she lost me forever with Serendipity.

Jennifer Tilly>Meg Tilly and I think she's probably smart too. She certainly can play poker.

It's shallow of me, but I don't like Sarah Silverman now that she's dating Jimmy Kimmel (and all of the magazine articles she's been in lately bug the shit out of me--it's all an act, all the time).

[zorra_chiflada]

the bigger question is why do Actors even get big money?
why should J-Lo get 15 million to do Monster in Law, while a public school teacher gets $29,000/yr trying to prepare young children to be the future of our world?



are you turning into a communist q drop? :p

[avignon]

I'm not going to read this entire thread, but I'd like to get something off my chest. Robert Duval is a WAY better actor than Al Pacino and Robert Deniro. And there are many others that are better. Those are the two most overrated actors in the history of the world. People who have never even seen Taxi Driver or Scarface hype those acotrs beccause it is socially unacceptable to speak ill of them.

[mickill]

I'm not going to read this entire thread, but I'd like to get something off my chest. Robert Duval is a WAY better actor than Al Pacino and Robert Deniro. And there are many others that are better. Those are the two most overrated actors in the history of the world. People who have never even seen Taxi Driver or Scarface hype those acotrs beccause it is socially unacceptable to speak ill of them.
Robert Duvall is a great actor, but I wouldn't say he's "WAY better" than Pacino or De Niro. I think it'd be more fair to say that De Niro's kind of lost it and Pacino probably isn't quite at his peak as an actor anymore, and that Duvall is still challenging himself a little. But Duvall hasn't taken on many roles that required him to become an entirely different person and sometimes even physically alter his appearance in a drastic way like Robert De Niro has in the past. And as powerful an actor as he is, he's never had as much passion or the same sort of conviction as Pacino. I don't even think about Pacino's acting when I watch him, it just seems natural. And De Niro was an animal early in his career. Duvall's never really pushed himself quite as hard.

[hpdrifter]

I really enjoy some of the new crop of young actors

Jake Gyllenhal
Rachel McAdams
Scarlett Johanssen
Cillian Murphy

I think Kirsten Dunst gets way too much praise.

And while we're on that tip, Orlando Bloom. Gimme a break, man. He does nothing for me.

I love Nicole Kidman. She's prolly my favorite.

Summary:

Jake Gyllenhal should have the level of success that Orlando BLoom has
Rachel McAdams should be where Kirsten Dunst is

and god willing they will be soon.

Maggie Gyllenhal also deserves a great deal more credit and roles than she gets.

[avignon]

I'll give DeNiro props on the early stuff, but I'm not paying to see crap like Analyze This and That and The Other and Meet Everybody's Damn Folks. And Pacino is the same flailing arms, crazy eyes, loud, "look! this is me acting, everybody!" in every movie. I'll give him the early stuff but it's like when they got so much hype they stopped working at it. Duval is still working at it.

[abcdefz]

Robert Duvall is a great actor, but I wouldn't say he's "WAY better" than Pacino or De Niro. I think it'd be more fair to say that De Niro's kind of lost it and Pacino probably isn't quite at his peak as an actor anymore, and that Duvall is still challenging himself a little. But Duvall hasn't taken on many roles that required him to become an entirely different person and sometimes even physically alter his appearance in a drastic way like Robert De Niro has in the past. And as powerful an actor as he is, he's never had as much passion or the same sort of conviction as Pacino. I don't even think about Pacino's acting when I watch him, it just seems natural. And De Niro was an animal early in his career. Duvall's never really pushed himself quite as hard.



I think Duvall's just made it seem easy.

We were just talking about Apocalypse Now yesterday in this office, agreeing that the whole "I love the smell of napalm in the morning.... You know, one day... this war is going to be over [Pregnant pause]" reading is just beyond praise.

Look at his roles in Apocalypse, Tender Mercies, Great Santini, The Apostle, Godfather I and II, The Conversation, hell, even Open Range -- the guy's a giant. Even when some of the characters seem superficially similar, they seem to have pretty genuinely different spirits behind them altogether. He's amazing.

-- and I'd argue he's the only one who hasn't really whored himself out. I think DeNiro and Pacino each have some fantastic "later years" performances (see and Wag the Dog or Insomnia, for instance [some of the only bits of real acting either has done in a decade or so]), but they clearly grab the buck without giving much more than the most reflexive of performances.

[avignon]

I think Duvall's just made it seem easy.

We were just talking about Apocalypse Now yesterday in this office, agreeing that the whole "I love the smell of napalm in the morning.... You know, one day... this war is going to be over [Pregnant pause]" reading is just beyond praise.

Look at his roles in Apocalypse, Tender Mercies, Great Santini, The Apostle, Godfather I and II, The Conversation, hell, even Open Range -- the guy's a giant. Even when some of the characters seem superficially similar, they seem to have pretty genuinely different spirits behind them altogether. He's amazing.

-- and I'd argue he's the only one who hasn't really whored himself out. I think DeNiro and Pacino each have some fantastic "later years" performances (see and Wag the Dog or Insomnia, for instance [Insomnia some of the only bits of real acting either has done in a decade or so]), but they clearly grab the buck without giving much more than the most reflexive of performances.
Thank you for making my point much more eloquently than I ever could. :)

[fucktopgirl]

pacino is awsome (y) actor!
i like him a lot in the movie with michell pfeiifer"johnny and.."

[avignon]

did I mention snooooooooooooore?
I think someone was talking about constipation in another thread. Hurry! You don't want to miss it.

[hpdrifter]

I forgot about Kate Winslet, she's lovely and wonderfully talented. And she is incredibly beautiful. And I love that she's outspoken about what her body really looks like.

Cate Blanchett is so good too. Elizabeth is one of my favorite movies. She was the only thing about the Life Aquatic I really liked. The rest of the movie kind of left me cold.

Fucktop: frankie and johnny

Also, about Jennifer ANiston, I really want to like her more. I think you're right, its the look. The same look in every movie. She's gotta change it up for the roles.

[abcdefz]

Thank you for making my point much more eloquently than I ever could. :)



We're on pretty much the same page. :)


Thanks for quoting me, too -- I saw an error I made.

I meant to say "Duvall could n only hope to be worthy to tie Steve Gutenberg's shoes" but I messed up.

[avignon]

We're on pretty much the same page. :)


Thanks for quoting me, too -- I saw an error I made.

I meant to say "Duvall could n only hope to be worthy to tie Steve Gutenberg's shoes" but I messed up.
(y) :D

[avignon]

You lost for not answering my questions. You are clearly an old, single, jobless hoe with at least fifteen cats and an an internet connection, anti-depressants and a refridgerator at your disposal. Commit dat.
You have 9 threads and 61 posts in two days. What's your life like?

[mickill]

I'm not crazy about Jake Gyllenhaal, but I can see why people like him. And I only remember Rachel Mc Adams from a couple of movies, like The Notebook which I couldn't stand. I liked her better in Mean Girls.

I've always admired Duvall a lot, I just don't think he's the most versatile actor ever. He's got great screen presence and he's very believable, but a lot of his characters aren't a huge stretch for him, I don't think. He's equally compelling in his own interviews. I think it's just him.

[avignon]

:cool: my life is pretty awesome. I make money while I'm posting so it's all good.
is that because your job is so crucial?

[abcdefz]

I'm not crazy about Jake Gyllenhaal, but I can see why people like him. And I only remember Rachel Mc Adams from a couple of movies, like The Notebook which I couldn't stand. I liked her better in Mean Girls.

I've always admired Duvall a lot, I just don't think he's the most versatile actor ever. He's got great screen presence and he's very believable, but a lot of his characters aren't a huge stretch for him, I don't think. He's equally compelling in his own interviews. I think it's just him.



McAdams was really good in The Notebook, even though the movie was.... well, it was better than it deserved to be, which was TOTAL horsepoop. Instead, it was just an excuse to see four really good actors either surprise you or get thoroughly wasted by their director/son ahem.


Duvall, I think is amazing, since he's actually a transgender warthog. I mean, he can play a man whenever he has to, but he really likes it in the slightly-moist ground. He's awesome.

[avignon]

Yeah, someone like Duvall isn't going to get a lot of very versatile roles. I mean he's going to get the old fart roles now because he looks like an old fart. Like Gene Hackman--another very good actor, but not someone who is going to get roles for swashbuckling heros or leading man in romances.

[mickill]

Yeah, but Hackman IS very versatile. He's done everything from Lex Luthor to drag; he can be tough, pathetic, intelligent, dim-witted, he's a great villain, he's a great hero. He's really just in his own league.

[abcdefz]

Yeah, but Hackman IS very versatile. He's done everything from Lex Luthor to drag; he can be tough, pathetic, intelligent, dim-witted, he's a great villain, he's a great hero. He's really just in his own league.



Again: The Conversation. Arguably the best thing he's committed to film.

(At least, I think so; I still haven't seen Loose Cannons ro whatever it was.)


A favorite Hackman story: when told that only Tom Cruise's name could be above the title for The Firm, Hackman said that, if that were the case, they could just withdraw his name and image from all publicity. They did. (y)

[abcdefz]

Yeah, but Hackman IS very versatile. He's done everything from Lex Luthor to drag; he can be tough, pathetic, intelligent, dim-witted, he's a great villain, he's a great hero. He's really just in his own league.



He was a terrible Lex Luthor, though.

[hpdrifter]

He was a terrible Lex Luthor, though.

I have to respectfully disagree with this one.

[abcdefz]

I think his misfire as Lex Luthor is just amplified by Ned Beatty's performance.

I'd lay odds that they were directed to be campy like that, though; more Donnor's fault than Hackman's or Beatty's.

That movie's just a misfire most of the time, anyway. :(

[mickill]

I have to respectfully disagree with this one.
I agree.

With you, that is.


And yeah, it's not like the Superman series was anything remarkable to begin with. The new one doesn't look like it's going to be much of an improvement, though.

[abcdefz]

...is there even a moment in which you believe that Lex Luthor is menacing, or that he wants to rule the world?

Sure, maybe in some Spy Kids kind of way, but.... really?

He's about as threatening as your average Scooby Doo villain.

[hpdrifter]

Yeah but I thought that was kinda the point.

[abcdefz]

....I agree; I think it was a bad tonal decision the director made. One of many.

[hpdrifter]

Oh come on, isn't it just a little creepy to you when those 2 bungling idiots almost kill superman?

Its like when the geek trio from buffy went all rapist/murderer. One second your laughing and then wtf? Its screws with your head.

[abcdefz]

Nah. I found neither one threatening at all.

They might as well have been hanging signs around their nexks that read "plot device."

[avignon]

You know who was scarey? The Sea Hag on Popeye.

[synch]

Oh come on, isn't it just a little creepy to you when those 2 bungling idiots almost kill superman?

Its like when the geek trio from buffy went all rapist/murderer. One second your laughing and then wtf? Its screws with your head.
What really screwed with my head was the "normal again" episode.

:(

[Documad]

I've never understood the fuss about DeNiro. He was good in Mean Streets and a couple of other movies. By the time I saw Taxi Driver about 20 years ago, his performance was so overhyped that I couldn't appreciate even that.

Al Pacino used to be one of the best actors ever. Hoffman too. They just both made some bad choices and were in a lot of unwatchable movies. But do you know what, so was Gene Hackman. Hackman's made a lot of good movies, but he's been in about 1,000 of them. I still love him to pieces because he's got that gleam in his eye like he's a bit of a rascal, and not in an icky Jack Nicholson way. Even Bruce Dern used to be good in smaller movies. There were just so many wonderful actors back then. They all start to play the same kinds of roles at some point. I suppose that's more the fault of the industry than the actors. The 70s were just the best decade for movies that will ever be. You couldn't make big budget movies that dark today. It's all about computers and fights and not acting now.

Duvall never got typecast, but I suppose that's because he never got to be as big of a star.

The female actors of the 70s were awesome too. You wouldn't get an actress like Jill Clayburgh getting big romantic roles today. Smart women who weren't cute or gorgeous used to be kind of sexy. And if we had a young Faye Dunaway, what in the hell would we put her in? Monster-in-law? What a joke that actresses like Charlize Theron or Reese Witherspoon are compared to the ladies of the 70s. Or the 30s, or the 40s, or 50s, or 60s. :D