does the world hate america?

[Trimm Trabb]

I'm am looking at the British opinions on America for a talk i'm doing. I am trying to look at the negative opinions towards america, and using this as a means of showing that people shouldn't form an opinion purly on the image created in the media. And also to look at opinions towards america as a whole. I would be greatful if you could read my points and some opinions i collected and give your answers to my questions and your attitude to what people have said. I am not sticking up for or knocking america, but trying to collect a selection of contrasting opinions.

In todays newspapers it was emoted that:

--> The war in iraq was unjust and over oil. This is a common one, and seemingly a big catalyst of hatred towards america. And more importnatly the average american was, atleast initially, "for the war"

--> That the subsidisation of the american markets, for example cotton, is causing poverty in many less econmically developed countries. That this is making poorer countries unable to compete in internation trade and causing starvation world wide. That the average american wants whats best for the country, even if this causes poverty in other places.

--> In britain it is taken pretty much as fact that global warming is caused partially by factory gas immisions. The fact that America denies this, and that some americans agree with the opinion have lead to the word "ignorant" popping up in my collected opinions.

These quotes collected pretty much sums up the 50 opinions on americans i have collected from people 18-30

"[Americans are] all so ignorant to anything else in the world majority of the country dont even own passports"

"Americans are selfish, they'll shit on anyone for they're own econmic gain"

Sooooo....

my questions:
a) The media emotes that the majority of americans - agree with the iraq war and don't believe in global warming? Is this true, or is the media creating a false image? Are the people being used to blame for the american governments selfish attitude? Or do you stand by the governments decisions on war or global warming?

b) What opinion do you have on these negative opinions? Is it wrong for the britain the make these asumptions about america, or is fair?

c) What image does the media paint about britain? And what is your opinion?

thanks :) 213.78.199.214.


(sorry for mistakes i'm too tiered to proof read)

[SobaViolence]

arrogance and ignorance.

and an astounding mixture of the two.

[Trimm Trabb]

arrogance and ignorance.

and an astounding mixture of the two.

Its the mixture of facts and emoting that drives it. Is the american media as bad?

please answer my questions :)

[roosta]

i don't think its fair to answer for the entire world. i'm sure theres some doods in iceland or somewhere that likes america.


or some tribes in the congo that ain't even heard of them.

[iceygirl]

i believe that A LOT of americans DO NOT agree with the decisions that the people in office are making/have made. it is funny though, because you dont really know for sure. i have a job that it would be innappropriate for me to discuss politics at work, so i dont usually, unless someone else brings it up. it is freaky though - people here walk around with their mouths shut and dont mention shit that is going on. i get the impression that everyone is scared to bring up these topics because of the sensitivity of the issues.

no doubt a lot of americans have a very self centered view of life - it is very easy to get wrapped up in your own little world and not give two thoughts about people in other areas who dont have anythign to eat or a roof over their heads. i think that partially that has to do with the fact that our country is so large, it takes time, planning and money to travel outside our country, along with the fact that americans are not wanting to leave the country these days because we know there is animosity around us and our government. also, a lot of people dont have money to travel because bush turned our economy into a pile of shit.

in answer to your questions -- i, an american, do not and never did approve of this war in the middle east. i do believe in global warming and i do believe that this administration is completely ....... uh, loss for words. as far as for how your media portreys us....i am not suprised, the media here tries to feed bullshit everyday - i know just not to listen to it anymore. the media here tries to feed the fear that bush has been pushing down our throats since september 11, 2001. there is something very wrong going on here, but a lot of people wont talk about it. so it goes on....

[valvano]

maybe you should rephrase the question "is the world jealous of america"
(y)

[D_Raay]

maybe you should rephrase the question "is the world jealous of america"
(y)
Jealous of what? The complete arrogance and stupidity, or just the total lack of enlightenment?

[sam i am]

a) The media emotes that the majority of americans - agree with the iraq war and don't believe in global warming? Is this true, or is the media creating a false image? Are the people being used to blame for the american governments selfish attitude? Or do you stand by the governments decisions on war or global warming?

Public opinion polls in the USA, which are notoriously finicky and are only a snapshot in time, have consistently, since the middle of 2005, been against the war. Global warming is a hotly debated topic, but those on the "Right" of the political spectrum tend to migrate to the view that global warming is insignificantly caused by human activity, but rather by natural cycles that the Earth has endured throughout geologic history : especially that the Sun is FAR more implicable in global warming than human activity.

MOST on this message board would agree that the average American is being duped by it's government and that they, personally, are and have been since the beginning, opposed to the Iraq war.

Some, who are railing against the vast majority on this board, stand by the government of the USA's decisions on Iraq and global warming.


b) What opinion do you have on these negative opinions? Is it wrong for the britain the make these asumptions about america, or is fair?

The British people and media have access to a multiplicity of sources of information (newspapers, television, the internet, magazines, other people) to make informed, reasoned decisions on actions that are taken by the whole spectrum of countries around the world. That the US comes in for special scrutiny, often negative, doesn't surprise me in the least, nor do I think it is unfair. When you are the world's sole superpower, and in a leadership role on many of the issues of our day, you are held to a higher standard and a MUCH higher level of scrutiny than any other country in the world.


c) What image does the media paint about britain? And what is your opinion?

Britain rarely comes in for much media attention in the US due it's (relatively) small role in world affairs today. I would venture to guess that most Americans do not realize that Britain is the #1 investor in the US, nor that Britain is a Security Council member of the UN, with a veto over actions that the UN can enforce.

I love the British, for their history, their unwavering support of the US in most instances since the end of WWII, for the people (who are wonderful from all I've met over the years), and for their "stiff upper lip, old chap. ;) "



Good luck with your paper.

[sam i am]

Jealous of what? The complete arrogance and stupidity, or just the total lack of enlightenment?

America's prosperity and role as a leader in the world (not to mention our military ;) ).




Sorry, D_Raay, just a bit of my "America....FUCK YEAH!" coming out.....I'll go back to hiding in the corner whenever those who are my "superiors" enter the room.... :D

[valvano]

Britain rarely comes in for much media attention in the US due it's (relatively) small role in world affairs today. I would venture to guess that most Americans do not realize that Britain is the #1 investor in the US, nor that Britain is a Security Council member of the UN, with a veto over actions that the UN can enforce.

I love the British, for their history, their unwavering support of the US in most instances since the end of WWII, for the people (who are wonderful from all I've met over the years), and for their "stiff upper lip, old chap. ;) "



Good luck with your paper.

you fail to mention our having kicked their ass a couple of centuries ago, and having to save their ass a couple of times this past century...
but its all good

(y) :)

[sam i am]

you fail to mention our having kicked their ass a couple of centuries ago, and having to save their ass a couple of times this past century...
but its all good

(y) :)


Oh, valvano....soooooo what?

They're our friends now.

Let 'em live in peace, k? ;)

[valvano]

Jealous of what? The complete arrogance and stupidity, or just the total lack of enlightenment?

yeah, thats why we are the ones everybody talks trash about, but when the shit hits the fan, who does everybody come running to?

and why would immigrants from all over the world risk their lives to get here, legally or illegally?

and why our currency has survived all these years and is the basis for world markets?

do i need to go on?

:rolleyes:

[Ace42X]

a) The media emotes that the majority of americans - agree with the iraq war and don't believe in global warming? Is this true, or is the media creating a false image? Are the people being used to blame for the american governments selfish attitude? Or do you stand by the governments decisions on war or global warming?

The media generally implies that a substantial number of Americans were pro-war and deny global warming. The latter a lot less, generally the media focus's on Bush's ties to the fossil fuel industries. Recently, a number of newspapers have pointed out that Bush's approval rating has been plummeting. It's even visible on here, with the conservative posters who were telling us how swell everything is now generally piping down. Ironic as a recent poll showed that a substantial number of Iraqis (those willing to stick their necks out and actually take part in the poll, thus a self-selected sample) feel optimistic about the situation.

I haven't yet had to point out the obvious fact that pessmistic Iraqis wouldn't feel safe speaking to pollsters...

As for "the people being used to blame" - Bush constantly claimed a mandate from the people during the election - check the debate footage of him vs Kerry (the direct LIVE coverage cannot be subject to 'media spin') and you can see the rhetoric. And, as you live in a democracy, the people cannot exctricate themselves from the system the support, work in and are represented by. With only 60% voter turnout and a 30% winning election share between two candidates, there are a lot of people whose apathy makes them responsible. If all of the abstainees had voted for frank the four eyed fish, it would've beaten both Kerry and Bush, so you can't suggest that the election of either was unavoidable unless you acknowledge large-scale vote-rigging.

If the government is unrepresentative of the will of the people, then why the hell are the people letting it roll over their rights? You people got rid of a king and kicked your colony's standing army out to get rid of that sort of tyranny, and then you vote in your own emporer to replace him 300 years down the line. Quite frankly it confirms the belief of most europeans that the US is a young nation with a very juvenile (and thus dangerous) climate, prone to temper tantrums and violent outbursts.

Q: A mechanic doesn't properly fix the brakes of a car he is servicing and it runs wild? He's liable to be found guilty of criminal negligence and possibly manslaughter. Why are the American voters not responsible for a much more important act? Because there are so many that personal responsibility ceases to exist? No.

b) What opinion do you have on these negative opinions? Is it wrong for the britain the make these asumptions about america, or is fair?

Loaded question - are they *assumptions* or are they statistically accurate fact? Do these opinions exist in a broader sense? It does not seem your selection of quotes (which is what I assume you mean by 'these negative opinions') are purely random.

As for "the US being selfish" - that is debateable. Certainly the POLITICAL rhetoric (all the way down to a lot of the posters here) generally revolves around issues of the self. This is probably due, at least in part, to the Republicans' inability to consider the topic without putting the "what about me" firmly into the line.

Would it be fair to say that the US is pro-capitalist? Most people would say indubitably, given their knee-jerk and sensationalised fear of communism. Capitalism is intrinsically selfish, the whole system is based around self-interest. If you accept that the US is pro-capitalist, you cannot escape the logical conclusion (IE not a negative opinion or stereotyping, etc) that it is pro-selfish.

It is not a question of "fair" but of an unavoidable conclusion. Most people in progressive nations would consider the absence of a state-funded healthcare system to be the epitome of selfishness. The refusal to treat someone who is ill simply because they have no money is infinitly more deplorable than the Jews in the parable of the Good Samaritan. Evidence of extreme hypocrisy in the ostensibly "Christian" right. And as the Christian right have the power to butt heads with the constitution and oblige non-theories to be taught in schools (or evolution to be omitted from the curriculum) - one can only conclude that there is enough of a majority to represent your country.

I think the problem comes down to the British perception of America.

We see the actions of your people, the collossal fuckups clear across the board that a lot of your countrymen can see all too clearly, but we can't see why the sensible people we know live there can't do anything about it.

Yes it is wrong to generalise, but at what point does a generalisation become an accurate representation of the current state of affairs?

If America had an outbreak of a disease (scrofula, aids, chicken pox, it doesn't really matter) - how many people need be infected before it is "fair" (your word) to say "Americans are a diseased people" ?

1% ?
10%?
20%?

50 - 80 90 99?

How many idiotic yanks does a person have to speak to before they can start to say "well, most yanks are idiotic" ?

So, to tie this disparate ramble together:

A lot of Britain is as nearly deluded by the myth of America as your citizens are. Holywood is endemic, the imagery, the slogans, the revisionism, the rhetoric. That much again are aware of the numerous deplorable idiosyncracies of your nation that mark it out as particularly juvenile compared to our European neighbours.

The population are split in two roughly on the most important issue.
Half see America as a legacy of the British Empire, and a way of vicarious imperialism. They love the pomp, the ceremony, the hubris, THE POWER.

The other half see America as a relic of Europe's past. Relatively untouched by two world wars, your industrial revolution was powered by marginalised slaves who were swept under the carpet right until the 60s, and still to this day. Here the 'slaves' were victims of capitalism in the factories and mills, and the vast majority of people come from those origins (although they are fast forgetting).

I see America as a wayward and spoilt child with too much power and not enough maturity to deal with it.

[Ace42X]

yeah, thats why we are the ones everybody talks trash about, but when the shit hits the fan, who does everybody come running to?

That old chestnut? You do know how stupid Americans sound when they say that? Who "came running" ?

You guys joined WW1 after your passenger ship got sunk by the Germans, and WW2 after Germany declared war on you and the Japs attacked.

"We are the ones everbody talks trash about (while we are sitting on the fence), and then when we get pulled kicking and screaming into a conflict, we like to pretend we did it because it was 'the right thing to do'."

Yeah, everyone comes running to the fence-sitters.

and why would immigrants from all over the world risk their lives to get here, legally or illegally?

Maybe because you irradiate, napalm or carpet bomb their land? And what does that have to do with your country being ignorant and backwards? Surely you can see that your country being full of backwards lazy arrogant hicks makes it a perfect choice for hard workers to go to, because they can do everything better than your home-grown layabouts.

Nevermind the fact that the vast majority of illegal US immigrants come from nations being exploited by the US. The US has single-handidly crushed Cuba (who have a much higher literacy rate than the US does, incidently) under a massive set of sanctions that has prevented them trading with the outside world, of course they'd want to escape your fist. That's not a jsutification for your country.

and why our currency has survived all these years and is the basis for world markets? "All these years" ? What the fuck? Every European currency bar the Euro has been around for at least twice as long as your country has existed!

"Basis for world markets" ?!? You mean the NASDAQ? Just because you watch stock on the US news channels, doesn't mean it's in dollars everywhere else you goddamn hick. Countries were trading between their currencies in Europe before whitey had iced his first redskin...

do i need to go on?


As you have yet to make a salient point, I think so.

[D_Raay]

yeah, thats why we are the ones everybody talks trash about, but when the shit hits the fan, who does everybody come running to?

and why would immigrants from all over the world risk their lives to get here, legally or illegally?

and why our currency has survived all these years and is the basis for world markets?

do i need to go on?

:rolleyes:
You mean the little over two hundred year old country comprised of ancestry from damn near every other country on Earth?
The other countries that were around for thousands of years without the US, how the hell did they make it on their own? There's some sarcasm for you, you backwards ass , oh I loathe the word but, hick.

Humility is a lost trait it would seem... a shame too as it is such an admirable one.

America, land of the free (who come from everywhere else on the planet except the native Americans), home of the wantonly retarded.

[zorra_chiflada]

i think that most americans are great people, however, it seems that the country is run by childish conservatives similar to valvano and sam i am, who are convinced that the world is jealous of them. you guys are in your 30s! and have kids! nobody likes people like you!

:D


:rolleyes:

[Kid Presentable]

i think that most americans are great people, however, it seems that the country is run by childish conservatives similar to valvano and sam i am, who are convinced that the world is jealous of them. you guys are in your 30s! and have kids! nobody likes people like you!

:D


:rolleyes:

l to the ol.

[ASsman]

I hope so, else there is something wrong with the rest of the world.

[sam i am]

i think that most americans are great people, however, it seems that the country is run by childish conservatives similar to valvano and sam i am, who are convinced that the world is jealous of them. you guys are in your 30s! and have kids! nobody likes people like you!

:D


:rolleyes:

LOL.

I WISH I ran the country...boy would it be different.

Zorra....I've always thought you were a great American as well, however it seems that the country has been run by childish liberals similar to you and Queen, who are convinced that the world admires them, when they truly despise them. you gals are in your 20! and don't have kids! nobody likes people like you!

:D

:rolleyes:

[Schmeltz]

a) zorra is Australian.

b) Childless women in their early twenties constitute the most excellent class of people in the world.

c) You guys are worse than crazy if you think that the world is jealous of America. That's just a stupid thing to say.

[Trimm Trabb]

Thanks for the great points so far people. As far as i stand, i say that just because America is the biggest single country superpower in the world, doesn't mean its always right.

I am training in advanced chemistry and physics, and they're is no way that the arguments against global warming hold much ground at all. 99% of scientific knowlege is so far only theory, and will remain until abetter theory comes along. To ignour global warming due to it "just been a theory" is complete madness.

It is also true that many scientists working in America that agree that global warming exhists have been the victem of bullying and unlawful sackings, at the hands of the government.

My opinion is that though the US may have a high tradition of been a healthy democratic society, but it government isn't very democratic when dealing with other countries. This is a very selfish attitude, and just because america is a superpower doesn't give it the right to ignour other countries and behave in a undemocratic way.

America ignouring the UN for example.

more questions then!!

-- > Do people generally not believe your government?

--> Are they're protests? Are they're TV shows where they actually question these issues? Do people kick up a stink?

--> Another thing i'd like to ask/mention. In european countries, they're is a large proportion of the news dedicated to international news. When ive stayed in america, watching many news channels and looking through USA today i found little or non. The news didn't seem to bother with issues not directly effecting america, and completly ignoured any opinion from other countries.

213.78.199.214.

[Ace42X]

-- > Do people generally not believe your government?

The UK government works very different to the US one, due to it being a parliamentary system. I certainly do not believe the higher escehlons of the Labour party (Tony Blair's ruling party) or their cabinet ministers, bunch of scurvy shysters. They do have a few good MPs, but after the deaths of Molam and Cook, they are sorely lessened. The opposition parties do seem to be quite powerless to do anything about the ruling party's shortocmings at present though.

Generally, politicians are untrustworthy.

Are they're protests? Are they're TV shows where they actually question these issues? Do people kick up a stink?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/default.stm

^^^ Watch the live realtime stream of that. It's on weekly with a revolving panel. It is often a very good insight into the mood of the British public.

The news didn't seem to bother with issues not directly effecting america, and completly ignoured any opinion from other countries.

Self-interest... Narcisism... The American way.

[Trimm Trabb]

The UK government works very different to the US one, due to it being a parliamentary system. I certainly do not believe the higher escehlons of the Labour party (Tony Blair's ruling party) or their cabinet ministers, bunch of scurvy shysters. They do have a few good MPs, but after the deaths of Molam and Cook, they are sorely lessened. The opposition parties do seem to be quite powerless to do anything about the ruling party's shortocmings at present though.

Generally, politicians are untrustworthy.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/default.stm

^^^ Watch the live realtime stream of that. It's on weekly with a revolving panel. It is often a very good insight into the mood of the British public.



Self-interest... Narcisism... The American way.

You know i'm british and watch that programme don't ya? I was wondering if they're is anything similar in america :D

213.78.199.214.

[Ace42X]

You know i'm british and watch that programme don't ya? I was wondering if they're is anything similar in america :D


D'oh. I assumed you were American (although in that post I was beginning to wonder when you mentioned travelling to America.)

I guess it just didn't register that someone in the UK would need to go onto an international message board in order to collect UK opinions on the subject...

[Trimm Trabb]

D'oh. I assumed you were American (although in that post I was beginning to wonder when you mentioned travelling to America.)

I guess it just didn't register that someone in the UK would need to go onto an international message board in order to collect UK opinions on the subject...

I have alot of UK opinions allready. TBH my questions are more hopfull towards americans answering. Though its not really a problem either way as it all helps towards my presentation in the end (y)

213.78.199.214.

[sam i am]

Thanks for the great points so far people. As far as i stand, i say that just because America is the biggest single country superpower in the world, doesn't mean its always right.

True story. Good point. Just because a country is a small country with only the most idealistic of government and people doesn't mean it's always right either, though.

I am training in advanced chemistry and physics, and they're is no way that the arguments against global warming hold much ground at all. 99% of scientific knowlege is so far only theory, and will remain until abetter theory comes along. To ignour global warming due to it "just been a theory" is complete madness.

It is also true that many scientists working in America that agree that global warming exhists have been the victem of bullying and unlawful sackings, at the hands of the government.

I believe that most who question global warming question : a) whether it is large enough to be truly impactful, and b) whether it is primarily caused by human activity or by natural solar phenomena and climactic changes that are transitory and epochal in nature.

My opinion is that though the US may have a high tradition of been a healthy democratic society, but it government isn't very democratic when dealing with other countries. This is a very selfish attitude, and just because america is a superpower doesn't give it the right to ignour other countries and behave in a undemocratic way.

America ignouring the UN for example.

America is NOT a democracy. America is a Democratic Republic. It is an important decision. The majority DOES NOT always rule in a democratic republic. America is not ancient Greece, where everyone gets a vote and the majority rules. America is a REPRESENTATIVE democracy, where we elect leaders (Senators and Congressmen) who make laws and rule by majority vote in most cases. Constitutional changes must be approved by 2/3 of EACH PART of the Federal Government, THEN approved by 3/4 of the individual State legislatures in order to become Amendments. It is a high bar to reach and goes to show how slowly change TRULY occurs in the American government (although it also accounts for why the government has been so steady for the past 216 years, barring the true crisis of the Civil War).

America does not answer to the UN. Neither do Britain, Russia, China, or France. America, along with those nations, comprise the ONLY PERMANENT MEMBERS of the UN sEcurity Council, which is the only world body that has true power to enact change through the UN. Everything else that emanates forth from the UN is fluff, pomp, and circumstance, NOT substantive nor binding upon anybody, unless they CHOOSE to submit to UN rulings.

-- > Do people generally not believe your government?

I'd say since Kennedy's assassination, probably the majority of Americans do not always believe the Federal Government. Although, you can find examples of the common citizenry not trusting the federal government in as disparate places as Huckleberry Finn, the Southern states during the Civil War (nullification), and many western states today not going along with federal initiatives in such areas as the environment, water rights, etc., et al.

--> Are they're protests? Are they're TV shows where they actually question these issues? Do people kick up a stink?

Stay around here (on the BBMB) and you'll read ALL kinds of protests (plus see links to them). TV shows are CONSTANTLY bombarding those who want to watch them with their "talking heads," who spew the bile from both the Right and the Left, both protesting or "OUTRAGED" at some or another thing that is going on. People DO kick up a stink, but the rule of law is pretty ingrained in the American psyche....not everyone loves a mob or wants a revolution. The vast majority would rather work within the system to effect meaningful, incremental change in the direction they'd like to see th country go.

--> Another thing i'd like to ask/mention. In european countries, they're is a large proportion of the news dedicated to international news. When ive stayed in america, watching many news channels and looking through USA today i found little or non. The news didn't seem to bother with issues not directly effecting america, and completly ignoured any opinion from other countries.

I'd tend to disagree with you there. Depending on how long you stayed previously, it may have been a slow news week, internationally speaking. If you want to find international news/opinions, it's as simple as a mouse click away via the internet, or tuning in to a cable or satellite program on the television, or reading a plethora of foreign newspapers that are published at least weekly, or listening to talk radio, where you have a wide range of varied opinions that take on foreign affairs.

[sam i am]

D'oh. I assumed you were American (although in that post I was beginning to wonder when you mentioned travelling to America.)

I guess it just didn't register that someone in the UK would need to go onto an international message board in order to collect UK opinions on the subject...

Ace....spouting off before he read things through again.

The emperor has no clothes. :p

[Schmeltz]

the rule of law is pretty ingrained in the American psyche


Then why do so many of you think you need guns to protect yourselves?

[sam i am]

Then why do so many of you think you need guns to protect yourselves?

2nd Amendment to the Constituion of the United States of America.

BTW, I believe in gun rights, but am NOT a gun owner. I've had training in gun usage and know how to safely employ firearms, but think guns are too expensive and, where I live now, pretty unnecessary.

[fucktopgirl]

2nd Amendment to the Constituion of the United States of America.

BTW, I believe in gun rights, but am NOT a gun owner. I've had training in gun usage and know how to safely employ firearms, but think guns are too expensive and, where I live now, pretty unnecessary.


i believe that the gun rights in the usa is too much and really does not help the cause of violence!The "boss "of the guns movement is a fucking redneck!They do some convetion all over the states to push people to own gun to protect themselves! Its just stupid!

[sam i am]

i believe that the gun rights in the usa is too much and really does not help the cause of violence!The "boss "of the guns movement is a fucking redneck!They do some convenion all over the states to push people to own gun to protect themselves! Its just stupid!

Just don;t get involved on this one, fucktopgirl....you REALLY don't know what you are talking about on this particular subject.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

[Schmeltz]

The King of England isn't going to send the redcoats in again. Your country is defended by the most powerful military forces in history. What do you need guns for if not to protect yourself from your fellow Americans, law-abiding and peaceful people though they are?

[fucktopgirl]

Just don;t get involved on this one, fucktopgirl....you REALLY don't know what you are talking about on this particular subject.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.


hey man go....


i know what i am talking about,that there is so mcuh gun in the states,that its make no sense!That is why you got young kids shoooting others kids in highschool!,that does not happen in canada!

[sam i am]

The King of England isn't going to send the redcoats in again. Your country is defended by the most powerful military forces in history. What do you need guns for if not to protect yourself from your fellow Americans, law-abiding and peaceful people though they are?


Not all of them are. Criminals can be found in all societies. Guns protect the law-abiding from the criminal element. AND, guns can be used to overthrow tyranny if it ever rears it's ugly head in the USA.

[sam i am]

hey man go....


i know what i am talking about,that there is so mcuh gun in the states,that its make no sense!That is why you got young kids shoooting others kids in highschool!,that does not happen in canada!

Sure. No criminals in Canada. No knife or other kinds of death inflicted. Every single person in Canada in peace-loving and law-abiding and would NEVER inflict bodily harm upon another....

Please. :rolleyes:

[fucktopgirl]

Sure. No criminals in Canada. No knife or other kinds of death inflicted. Every single person in Canada in peace-loving and law-abiding and would NEVER inflict bodily harm upon another....

Please. :rolleyes:


maybe not like that,there is still psycho here that kill people but in proportion with the usa population.there is less crime here!WE dont put the" light" on gun for protection as in the states.For real in the usa there is a great number of redneck that hate even their own dick so...

[Schmeltz]

There are lots of criminals in Canada, but the crime rate here is astronomically lower than in your country. Perhaps that has something to do with how in our culture we let police protect us from the criminal element, instead of fostering a cultural climate where it's citizen against citizen and you never who might be waiting to gun you down.

And if the American people were ever going to man the barricades, they would have done it by now already. The fact that your sons would rather get blown to bits by fanatics halfway across the world than take up arms against the lunatics that send them there is very telling.

[sam i am]

And if the American people were ever going to man the barricades, they would have done it by now already. The fact that your sons would rather get blown to bits by fanatics halfway across the world than take up arms against the lunatics that send them there is very telling.

By lunatics, I'm assuming you mean elected leaders?

Why the heck would any government in the world possibly want to do business with or acknowledge the USA in anything, eh?

[Schmeltz]

Because they're all lunatics.

[sam i am]

Oh, sorry, I forgot. :o :rolleyes:

[ASsman]

It's almost like the forum is going back in time.

[D_Raay]

The fact that your sons would rather get blown to bits by fanatics halfway across the world than take up arms against the lunatics that send them there is very telling.
I wrote that one down. Tip top...

[Trimm Trabb]

Just don;t get involved on this one, fucktopgirl....you REALLY don't know what you are talking about on this particular subject.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

This does kinda seem like the voice of an american ignouring the views of other countries :P ;)

[roosta]

just read Manufacturing Consent...it'll all make sense.

[ASsman]

just read Manufacturing Consent...it'll all make sense.
I didn't say that before because I didn't want sam to start on that too. He'd never stop cause I would'nt waste my time trying to stop him.

[roosta]

I didn't say that before because I didn't want sam to start on that too. He'd never stop cause I would'nt waste my time trying to stop him.

yeah, i knew it would open a can of worms.

but im ok, i usually dip out of political discussion after i make such statements...he can work away. usually people who bash it are confirming its ideas by doing so

its a great read tho...(y)

[sam i am]

yeah, i knew it would open a can of worms.

but im ok, i usually dip out of political discussion after i make such statements...he can work away. usually people who bash it are confirming its ideas by doing so

its a great read tho...(y)

Who's the author and publisher...I'll read it. :)

[ASsman]

Oh boy.

*Leaves*

Peace holmes.

[sam i am]

Oh.

It's by Noam Chomsky.

Found it.

Interesting read.