FUCK WAL-MART!!!!!!

[Freedom Toast]

Ok...so I applied for a job at wal-mart to earn some extra cash.
The town I currently live in sucks and there isn't anywhere else to work unelss I want to commute an hour and a half for a decent job.
I knew all about the class action lawsuits, discrimination cases, unethical hiring practices, etc.....but I still applied.
I was hired and signed a contract for an agreed wage.

Today I picked up my 1st paycheck...and it was for fucking 75 cents less an hour than what was fucking promised to me!!!!!!!!!

I asked to see my contract and it had fucking white out all over it...and the "agreed wage" was changed (and dated) 4 days after I signed it.

How legal is this???? WHAT THE FUCK!!?!???? Fuck wal-mart!!!!

[DapperDiverge]

Awww, that sucks!!

Don't worry, the former owner of Wal-mart got in a plane crash and died...he's got other siblings that are taking over now...

greediness is wrong

trust me, it won't be long until the others get their upcomings...
if they keep this up...next thing ya know, they'll be waiting in the same unemployment line like the rest of us (y)

[D_Raay]

Ok...so I applied for a job at wal-mart to earn some extra cash.
The town I currently live in sucks and there isn't anywhere else to work unelss I want to commute an hour and a half for a decent job.
I knew all about the class action lawsuits, discrimination cases, unethical hiring practices, etc.....but I still applied.
I was hired and signed a contract for an agreed wage.

Today I picked up my 1st paycheck...and it was for fucking 75 cents less an hour than what was fucking promised to me!!!!!!!!!

I asked to see my contract and it had fucking white out all over it...and the "agreed wage" was changed (and dated) 4 days after I signed it.

How legal is this???? WHAT THE FUCK!!?!???? Fuck wal-mart!!!!

Get the original copy and get a lawyer.

[ASsman]

Hahaha, don't come crying to us. You played with the devil and got the shaft, har...har..har... dumbass. I'd rather sell my soul than work there, why don't you just find a job beating women.

[Qdrop]

Hahaha, don't come crying to us. You played with the devil and got the shaft, har...har..har... dumbass. I'd rather sell my soul than work there, why don't you just find a job beating women.


he's got a point...
this is a corporation hell bent on greed and predatory practice, at obscene levels. they routinely screw thier workforce on salary, benefits, etc...it's all pretty well documented.

yeah...if you dance with the devil, expect to get burned..again and again.

[Qdrop]

Get the original copy and get a lawyer.

pointless...
like any lawyer he could afford could match up to Walmart's...

plus, if he's working at Walmart...i doubt he could afford a lawyer....


this is not a fight the common man can fight....by himself. we need gov't intervention...

[valvano]

did you not keep a copy of the contract for your own records?

if not, you are a dumbass and deserve to be screwed.....

you don't need help from the govt, you need a strong kick in the arse

:D

you play with fire, you get burned...

good luck

[DJ_Skrilla]

Freedom Toast Got Burned At Wal-Mart.

Hey do u think you can get me a discount on a sweet Nascar jacket? I am not sure I can afford the $27.42 for the sweet pleather model, with all the embroidery numbers and such... I have had my eye on it for a while!

Watch out for falling prices and falling WAGES! Oh shit!

[ASsman]

Freedom Toast Got Burned At Wal-Mart.

Hey do u think you can get me a discount on a sweet Nascar jacket? I am not sure I can afford the $27.42 for the sweet pleather model, with all the embroidery numbers and such... I have had my eye on it for a while!

Watch out for falling prices and falling WAGES! Oh shit!
As long as they don't fall on you, I don't believe Wal-Mart is known for its employee medical coverage...

[wanton wench]

Freedom Toast Got Burned At Wal-Mart.

Hey do u think you can get me a discount on a sweet Nascar jacket? I am not sure I can afford the $27.42 for the sweet pleather model, with all the embroidery numbers and such... I have had my eye on it for a while!

Watch out for falling prices and falling WAGES! Oh shit!
dont they have lay-away :D
in just 6 short months you could own it (y)





the guys doing that movie about how walmart fucks everyone, came to my town last week to interview people, but they wouldnt interview me cause all i had to say was "fuck walmart"

[valvano]

about the only thing i buy from walmart are replacement bubble light christmas lights,

[ASsman]

Your point....

[valvano]

to me, thats all walmart is good for

and your point?

[wanton wench]

its not nice to point!

[sam i am]

Cheesy saying of the day :

When you point one finger, three others (plus a thumb) point back at you!

Happy Friday, all.

[Monsieur Decuts]

you don't need a lawyer,

you need to photo copy the before and after copies of your contract and contact you state governement. They must have agencies that deal with this type of behavior. What state are you in?

[Monsieur Decuts]

Cheesy saying of the day :

When you point one finger, three others (plus a thumb) point back at you!

Happy Friday, all.
what kind of crazy gang sign has a thumb pointing back...are you in the double jointed crips or something?

[fucktopgirl]

hey toaster,,,feel for you man!!

[ASsman]

Cheesy saying of the day :

When you point one finger, three others (plus a thumb) point back at you!

Happy Friday, all.
Uh, thanks for that random and completly irrelevant statement. Atleast I hope it was, the other possibility is that you and Bush share the same bubble..

[Freedom Toast]

When I applied at wal-mart, I e-mailed all my friends back home telling them "you'd think I'd know better than to work for a company with a long history of unethical practices, discrimination cases and labor law violations..."

I'm currently living in East Stroudsburg, PA. It sucks here. wal-mart was actually the "best" job available here. I've been out here for 2 months and I'm already moving back to Smoklahoma. It doesn't matter who you are...all the jobs here suck...and pay L-O-W. You have to commute over an hour for a decent job. But the low wages didn't bother me because my plan is/was to live with my dad and save $$$ for my big move to Europe next year. I got tired of being an office slave for corporate america, paying bills and rent over and over. I figured that a full time job flipping burgers or something (and not pay any bills) would still leave me with more disposable income than a good paying job. FUCK THAT PLAN. I forgot about the "being treated like dogshit" part of a low-paying job. So I accepted a job with an insurance company back in OKC that pays fairly well and decided to move into a 1 bedroom apt with my 2 female friends. ;)

Back to the topic (just had to set the record straight that I'm not a "can't find a better job than wal-mart" type of guy).....I only have a copy of the ALTERED contract. Even on the copy you can tell it has been altered.

Getting a lawyer would be a waste of time for me since the paycheck was only for 1 weeks worth of work. I quit as soon as I realized they screwed me. At least I didn't take the job seriously and wasn't a "team" worker.


The brainwashing "YOU MUST LOVE WAL MART" vidoes they showed during orientation were funny. They gave us the illusion that all the products are american made and the company is great for america....and that unions are evil.

I should steal some shit from wal-mart to balance the universe.

[yeahwho]

First of all Mr. Toast, I'm extremely pleased to see you gracing the Beastie Boys site once again (y) , You always manage to engage and intrigue with your experiences.

Your the first person I've ever known to work at Wal*Mart. I live about a mile from a 24 hour Super-Wal*Mart that draws customers from as far as Canada, yet I've never stepped foot inside. I refuse to. Unless it's a flashmob style mentality why bother.

I wonder if I could seriously work there without something malicious happening within the first hour.

Also, did there happen to be a Mega Church of some kind within the two block perimeter of the Wal*Mart you worked for? I have a theory.

[Freedom Toast]

First of all Mr. Toast, I'm extremely pleased to see you gracing the Beastie Boys site once again (y) , You always manage to engage and intrigue with your experiences.



Also, did there happen to be a Mega Church of some kind within the two block perimeter of the Wal*Mart you worked for? I have a theory.

It's good to be back....finally having time to sit on my ass in front of a computer.

Unfortunately there isn't a mega-church nearby. Actually....I haven't seen ONE mega-church ANYWHERE since I've moved out here. It's kinda nice not being surrounded by that kind of stuff. Back in OKC....they have 3 mega-churches every square mile (at least!).

[Funkaloyd]

and decided to move into a 1 bedroom apt with my 2 female friends.Wall-Mart thing forgotten. You're cool again.

[100% ILL]

I'm surprised they didn't make you a manager. I know out here an english speaking Wal-Mart employee is a commodity.

[Ali]

pointless...
like any lawyer he could afford could match up to Walmart's...

plus, if he's working at Walmart...i doubt he could afford a lawyer....


this is not a fight the common man can fight....by himself. we need gov't intervention...Or a union.

This is what happens when you don't have a Union (http://www.union-network.org/unisite/sectors/commerce/Multinationals/Wal-Mart_union_busting_operator_named_for_threatening_ workers.htm) to protect you.

Low prices for consumers, altered contracts and general fucking-over of employees.

And there's nothing you can do about it, because you aren't big enough to fight the Corporation on your own.

So much for unregulated Capitalism.

Can I hear a big "I'm sorry" from all the anti-unionists and anti-regulationists on this board? Or are you going to defend Wal-Mart?

[valvano]

Wal-Mart is very nasty...not only to their employees, but to their suppliers. That's why many a booster sees nothing wrong with screwing them over. Even before the man died, they were nasty.

i can confiirm that they love to screw their vendors, especially traffic vendors

[100% ILL]

*Opens a Sam's choice Cola*

[valvano]

This is what happens when you don't have a Union (http://www.union-network.org/unisite/sectors/commerce/Multinationals/Wal-Mart_union_busting_operator_named_for_threatening_ workers.htm) to protect you.


of course, when the union forces upon the employer unrealistic demands that the employer has no choice but to shut down because they can no longer compete, or move operations overseas, then what good is it?

:confused:

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/media/paper410/news/2004/09/22/Opinion/Unions.Put.Undue.Strain.On.Business-726330.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com

[yeahwho]

For the life of me, I do not understand why any of you go to Wal*Mart. How much evidence of abuse does one need to have in front of their face before they say to themselves, "I'm destroying the middle-class by supporting these working conditions"?

Wal*Mart does not love America, Wal*Mart loves US currency and will do anything to get more.

QUIT SUPPORTING THIS SHIT!

[valvano]

For the life of me, I do not understand why any of you go to Wal*Mart. How much evidence of abuse does one need to have in front of their face before they say to themselves, "I'm destroying the middle-class by supporting these working conditions"?

I own no Wal Mart stock, but what about those middle class American who do? Do they not have the right to invest as they seem fit and profit from Wal Marts operations?

Plus Wal Mart does not put a gun to anybodys head and force them to work there.
Like it or not, and I do hate Wal Mart, they obviously have done something right to reach the growth levels that they have?



:rolleyes:

[yeahwho]

I own no Wal Mart stock, but what about those middle class American who do? Do they not have the right to invest as they seem fit and profit from Wal Marts operations?

Plus Wal Mart does not put a gun to anybodys head and force them to work there.
Like it or not, and I do hate Wal Mart, they obviously have done something right to reach the growth levels that they have?



:rolleyes:

I don't like it obviously, I am just one person and I cannot control anybody else and what they do with their money, nor do I want to. I'm just amazed at the stupidity of supporting such an obviously anti-american company.

Costco (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Business/story?id=1362779)

The CEO of Costco made $350,000 last year. (he is also co-founder so he owns on paper about $120 million worth of stock, but shares the wealth with his employees, not on an exorbitant self pay)

Wal-Mart (http://www.ips-dc.org/projects/global_econ/walmart_pay_gap.htm)

The CEO of Wal Mart made $7,000,000 last year. (add $10 million for stock options)

[Echewta]

Costco seems to be a hell of a company. They could be evil but I haven't read it yet. They pay their employees good and seem to treat the commuity well.

[D_Raay]

http://www.buyblue.org/node/29

[ASsman]

Hey I don't care if slavery was involved in the making of my frozen pizza.. as long as I saved a buck of two.

[valvano]

Hey I don't care if slavery was involved in the making of my frozen pizza.. as long as I saved a buck of two.

assman, i have to agree with you, as long as the means are legal (which slavery is not), as long as the consumer has an option, the free market works....

if not for the ultimate consumer, all else would not exists

[Funkaloyd]

as long as the means are legal (which slavery is not) ... the free market works
So why not make it illegal for employers to even attempt to stifle unions, and just let the free market work?

[Freedom Toast]

For the life of me, I do not understand why any of you go to Wal*Mart.

Where else can you buy a shotgun, a case of beer and an inkjet cartridge in one stop at 1am???

[zerohour]

I worked at Dominick's (Chicago area grocery store) and the TV in the break room didn't work except for the "Why Wal-Mart is evil" channel that they put on there. I didn't get it until years later. But yeah they are evil.

Wal-Mart: Who Pays For the Savings? - By Ryan Lothian (http://www.zerohour.com/essaywalmart.htm)

http://wakeupwalmart.com/

[Ali]

of course, when the union forces upon the employer unrealistic demands that the employer has no choice but to shut down because they can no longer compete, or move operations overseas,of course (http://laborresearch.org/print.php?id=391) :rolleyes: Though only about 18% of Costco’s total workforce is unionized, union representation creates a ripple effect and helps determine labor standards in all stores. The Teamsters represent about 15,000 workers at 56 Costco stores in California, New York, New Jersey, Maryland and Virginia. Workers are covered by West coast and East coast contracts, negotiated in February and April of last year.

“The agreements lock in wage and benefits packages that are the highest in the grocery and [discount] retail industries,” said Rome Aloise, chief IBT negotiator for Costco and Secretary-Treasurer of Local 853 in San Leandro, Calif.

Costco passes on similar compensation packages to its non-union workers; the contracts act as templates for other stores’ employee handbooks.

“The union contracts raise the bar and set the standard for all employees,” explained Aloise. “Still, while the company extends wage and pay raises to non-union employees, only union members enjoy benefits like seniority-based promotions, a grievance procedure and minimum hours for part-time workers,” he added.

The Payoff of Better Pay
Strong union representation isn’t the only reason Costco jobs are so well compensated; the company itself has an unusually forward-looking corporate philosophy.

Costco CEO Jim Senegal has said: “We pay much better than Wal-Mart. That’s not altruism. It’s good business.”

Chief Financial Officer Richard Galanti explained: “From day one, we’ve run the company with the philosophy that if we pay better than average, provide a salary people can live on, have a positive environment and good benefits, we’ll be able to hire better people, they’ll stay longer and be more efficient.”

A 2004 Business Week study ran the numbers to test Costco’s business model against that of Wal-Mart. The study confirmed that Costco’s well-compensated employees are more productive.

The study shows that Costco’s employees sell more: $795 of sales per square foot, versus only $516 at Sam’s Club, a division of Wal-Mart (which, like Costco, operates as a members-only warehouse club). Consequently Costco pulls in more revenue per employee; U.S. operating profit per hourly employee was $13,647 at Costco versus $11,039 at Sam’s Club.

The study also revealed that Costco’s labor costs are actually lower than Wal-Mart’s as a percentage of sales. Its labor and overhead costs (classed as SG&A, or selling, general and administrative expenses) are 9.8% of revenues, compared to Wal-Mart’s 17%.

By compensating its workers well, Costco also enjoys rates of turnover far below industry norms. Costco’s rate of turnover is one-third the industry average of 65% as estimated by the National Retail Foundation. Wal-Mart reports a turnover rate of about 50%.

With such rates of employee retention, Costco’s savings are significant. “It costs $2,500 to $3,000 per worker to recruit, interview, test and train a new hire, even in retail,” said Eileen Appelbaum, Professor at Rutgers University’s School of Management and Labor Relations. “With Wal-Mart’s turnover rate that comes to an extra $1.5 to $2 million in costs each year.”

Other analysts of the retail industry agree that happier, well-compensated workers help generate bigger profits. George Whalin, president of Retail Management Consultants in San Marcos, Calif., disagrees with many of Wal-Mart’s critics, but said: “There’s no doubt Wal-Mart and many other retailers could do a better job taking care of their employees. The best retailers do take care of their employees — Nordstrom’s, Costco, The Container store — with fair pay, good benefits and managers who care about people. You have fewer employee issues, less turnover and more productivity. It lessens costs to the company.”

Still, Wall Street analysts intent on cutting up-front labor costs tend to frown upon Costco’s model. “Costco’s corporate philosophy is to put its customers first, then its employees, then its vendors and finally its shareholders. Shareholders get the short end of stick,” said Deutsche Bank analyst Bill Dreher.

But Costco’s stock has quadrupled in the past ten years, and has in the past year inched closer to Wal-Mart’s per-share-price. In fiscal year 2004, Costco recorded record sales and earnings. While Wal-Mart continues to profit and expand, its stock has lost value — in recent months it is 16% off its 52-week high...Seems to me that, in this case, that unionised Costco is a better-performing company than Union-busting Wal-Mart.

The problem is not with the Unions, it's when Management refuse to negotiate with the unions. Costco accept the union as a part of the picture and make sure that they get along well with them. The unions, in this case, have negotiated wages and conditions which are more than those of Costco's competitiors, but they have also reduced other costs, such as turnover and increased productivity, thereby making Costco's overall costs lower than their competitors.

Vulvano, do you seriously think that a union is going to put the very company which ensures its existence out of business? That's Killing the Goose, dude. Companies go bust when managements fucks up. You know that very well and you are trying to mask this fact by blaming the unions, eren't you?

[valvano]

Vulvano, do you seriously think that a union is going to put the very company which ensures its existence out of business? That's Killing the Goose, dude. Companies go bust when managements fucks up. You know that very well and you are trying to mask this fact by blaming the unions, eren't you?

Well, that is exactly what is happening to GM, Delphi, all the airlines, etc

Its what happened to the steel industry in the US, the trucking industry, etc in the US.

:rolleyes:

[valvano]

So why not make it illegal for employers to even attempt to stifle unions, and just let the free market work?

you ever been through a union trying to force itself upon your employer?

you ever been around a picket line? ever had tires slashed or rocks thrown at you?


you ever seen the teamsters picket a funeral?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/02/national/main633534.shtml

Teamsters Picket Cemetary

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Some grieving families think the Teamsters Local 120 is making a grave mistake.

The union is picketing cemeteries, even when funeral services are in progress, in its strike on the Twin Cities' biggest maker of burial vaults.

Brown-Wilbert Inc. employs about 25 Teamsters, many of whom make burial vaults at a plant in Roseville. But some also deliver and install the vaults at local cemeteries. Since the strike started, Brown-Wilbert managers have been doing that graveside work.

Pickets were at St. Paul's Calvary Cemetery on Wednesday when Cheryl Grudnoske attended the funeral of her husband's uncle. The Teamsters stayed near the cemetery gate and didn't picket near the burial site.

Still, Grudnoske said, she thought the picket line was disrespectful to the deceased - who was a union member - and his grieving relatives. She said she called the Local 120 offices.

“I said: 'I'm a union supporter. Do you think you made any points with us? What do you think you achieved? Everybody there was upset with you.' “

Brad Slawson Sr., acting principal officer of Local 120, said the union members had a legal right to strike where they work, which in this case includes cemeteries.

“Well, obviously, we know that (mourners) will be upset with it,” he said. “Unfortunately, it's the business we are in. The only alternative is not picketing at all.”

[Ali]

Well, that is exactly what is happening to GM, Delphi, all the airlines, etc

Its what happened to the steel industry in the US, the trucking industry, etc in the US.

:rolleyes:Why isn't it happening at Costco?

Unions weren't the reason those companies you listed went bust. It was poor management. Why can't you admit that?

[valvano]

Why isn't it happening at Costco?

Unions weren't the reason those companies you listed went bust. It was poor management. Why can't you admit that?

yes, poor management that agreed to union demands that helped drive them out of business.......

can you admit to that?



the unions want all the rewards but want to share in none of the risk....well it doesnt work that way...obviously with the costco example, the union reps realize that they need to give and take in order to compete, they work as a team...but when the unions cram demands upon managment, and management has no choice but give in or face the consequences (prolonged strikes, violence, legal cost of fighting the unions, etc)...then the unions indeed to bite the hands that feed them

and as i stated, and you can not deny, having so-called union protections means nothing if there are no business left to employ the union members...


(!)

[Ali]

and as i stated, and you can not deny, having so-called union protections means nothing if there are no business left to employ the union members...And having no union protection means having lousy pay, no legal representation when your work contract is changed after you sign it and the chance of being fired at any minute. So what do you care if the business folds? obviously with the costco example, the union reps realize that they need to give and take in order to compete, they work as a teamEXACTLY! When the Union and Management work together, as a team, to come to an agreement which is viable for both sides, then of COURSE it works. It's not just the Union reps who "realize that they need to give and take", it's Management, too. When both sides Play Ball, then everybody wins, but as soon as one side refuses to negotiate, or if they cannot come to an agreement, then play stops and everybody goes home, because a company that cannot afford to pay its employees a decent wage should not be allowed to continue to operate.

[Ace42X]

the unions want all the rewards but want to share in none of the risk...

Yes, that's exactly how it is.

Meanwhile, in reality as perceived by someone who isn't totally derranged, the complete opposite is actually correct.

If it wasn't for the unions, you'd be missing 3 fingers have no holiday, and be living in slum housing dying of chronic TB or asbestosis. And much deserving it too, might I add.

Your idiotic ingratitude to the very people who have pulled your worthless gold-bricking ass out of the gutter (whilst performing fellatio on people who'd quite happily see you inhaling arsenic fumes if it would save them a buck) is nearly as astounding as your insistance on posting your childish and ill-conceived opinions to a public forum.

[Funkaloyd]

you ever been through a union trying to force itself upon your employer?So you're saying that sometimes the free market works best when the means are illegal (e.g. when workers are required to unionize)?

[zerohour]

Unions: The People Who Brought You the Weekend

[valvano]

hey ali,
if union labor is so great and everbody is better off for it, why did the teamsters here in the usa use a non union contractor to be a local's headquarters? care to take a guess?? to save money

:D

A Sorry Day for the Teamsters

Houston Chronicle – by L. M. Sixel – August 11, 2002

Nonunion construction workers used to cut costs on new Teamsters building
(Aug. 10, 2002)

Teamsters Union 988 is holding the grand opening this weekend for its new union hall, which is expected to feature Teamsters President James P. Hoffa.

But it has become a sour moment for other labor leaders because the Teamsters didn't use union construction workers. They were told by the Teamsters that union contractors cost too much.

"No one is happy about it," said Paul Dunnam, organizer of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 716.

The electricians, along with other unions, complained to the Houston Gulf Coast Building and Construction Trades Council but to no avail. The council has no leverage over an individual union like the Teamsters because each local is run by its members.

"There are serious solidarity issues here," said Richard Shaw, secretary-treasurer of the Harris County AFL-CIO.

Unions are supposed to support each other, said Shaw. He recalled how other unions backed the Teamsters during its last strike against United Parcel Service.

Dennis Bankhead, secretary-treasurer of Teamsters Local 988, said he wouldn't comment on the new building, adding it was unlikely any other Teamsters official would have anything to say.

This dispute comes at a time when union construction workers are in demand because there is so much work available for skilled tradesmen.

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters is a member union of the international AFL-CIO and an affiliated member of its Building and Construction Trades Department.

While Teamsters Local 988 is one of the biggest locals in Houston with more than 2,000 members, it has had a rocky relationship with other labor groups. It withdrew from the local AFL-CIO about a year ago.

Another local, Teamsters Local 968, a construction union, has never been locally affiliated. But, Teamsters Local 919, which represents the brewery workers at Anheuser Busch, has long had ties to the Harris County AFL-CIO.

Local 988 put its union hall on Interstate 10 up for sale and over the past few months it has been building a 16,246-square-foot building at 4303 E. North Sam Houston Parkway.

Other union leaders are still puzzled why the local opted to build nonunion.Robert "Sarge" Robinson, business manager of Plumbers Local Union 68 in Houston, said he remodeled his union's three-building complex in Houston during 1998 and 1999 and did it with union labor wherever possible.

"We paid a little extra but the quality was better," said Robinson, whose union covers plumbers in Beaumont, College Station, Victoria and Galveston. "Unions have to support one another."

While Robinson said he wouldn't have done what the Teamsters did, he said it's their decision.

E. Dale Wortham, president of the Harris Country AFL-CIO, said he wasn't involved in the discussions about the construction but has been hearing complaints from other unions.

He speculated that perhaps because Local 988 was paying a mortgage on two properties, it felt it needed to be specially careful how it spent its members' dues.

But, Wortham added, "I just can't believe the cost issue outweighed the right thing to do."

[valvano]

Unions: The People Who Brought You the Weekend


Unions: The people who give corruption a bad name

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8157759/

:eek:

[yeahwho]

Unions: The people who give corruption a bad name

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8157759/

:eek:

The insanity is, though there may be some truth to your 2 incredible stories you've dug up, daily the rate of inflation coupled with rising healthcare and pensions is destroying the middleclass, which does not exsist at Wal-Mart. You were just given statistical evidence that the CEO's make 50,000 times more cash than the floor workers at Wal-Mart in the USA.

The current strike in NYC has already cost more than the $20 million dollars the TWU was negotiating for in pension funds (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/nyregion/nyregionspecial3/21collapse.html?hp&ex=1135227600&en=aebb5027b30744cc&ei=5094&partner=homepage). The first 2 days of NYPD overtime (union workers biatch!) will total to more than what the settlement would of been by MTA.

Yet for all the rage and bluster that followed, this war was declared over a pension proposal that would have saved the transit authority less than $20 million over the next three years.

It seemed a small figure, considering that the city says that every day of the strike will cost its businesses hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenues. But the authority contends that it must act now to prevent a "tidal wave" of pension outlays if costs are not brought under control.

Millions of people are being punished because now the goverment would like to shutdown unions, millions of more people will pay the price if they succeed. At some point in life you stop and say, "This may be unpopular, but fuck it, it's the right thing to do, to protect this job" otherwise, what's the point of waking up if your going to get screwed over daily?

[Ali]

hey ali,
if union labor is so great and everbody is better off for it, why did the teamsters here in the usa use a non union contractor to be a local's headquarters? care to take a guess?? to save money

:D Ironic, I agree. Hypocritical, even... but I think this demonstrates that unions are capable of obeying Market Forces, even if it means pissing off other unions.

As for Pensions... all you BBMB posters who think you are too young to worry about Pensions had better the fuck get one sorted out and start paying into it NOW! DON'T rely on your state pension or even your company pension. That money's not assured, because the money you pay in now is being spent on current Pensioners and the chances are that there will be nothing left for you when you retire, because people are living longer and having fewer kids and the population's becoming top-heavy!

[valvano]

Ironic, I agree. Hypocritical, even... but I think this demonstrates that unions are capable of obeying Market Forces, even if it means pissing off other unions.

As for Pensions... all you BBMB posters who think you are too young to worry about Pensions had better the fuck get one sorted out and start paying into it NOW! DON'T rely on your state pension or even your company pension. That money's not assured, because the money you pay in now is being spent on current Pensioners and the chances are that there will be nothing left for you when you retire, because people are living longer and having fewer kids and the population's becoming top-heavy!

Ali, I agree with you on the savings for the future. I will be 39 next year, I do have a pension through my employer as well as 401K, but I also have my own investments going on....and dont count on social security being around.

And unions dont have much luck either at running pension funds:

http://www.nlpc.org/olap/congress/020910a.htm

There are numerous, numerous, numerous stories involving corruption by union leaders in the running of member pension funds.......some make corporate corruption look like childs play....


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[Ace42X]

Unions: The people who give corruption a bad name


All this proves is that Americans are generally corrupt and incompetent. It is funny how you conflate American unions with unions the world over.

Just as people the world over can own guns without turning into a bunch of childlish cowboys (unlike the yanks), people can organise into works collectives to protect their interest without forming links with the mafia (another thing most other countries never had) and burying people in baseball fields.

You are so ridiculously provincial.

[valvano]

All this proves is that Americans are generally corrupt and incompetent.


then why dont you stick to a message board run by a non american musical group?


:D :p :confused:

next time shit hits the fan in your country, make sure and call canada to help you out, cocksucker

:eek:

[Ali]

Ali, I agree with you on the savings for the future. I will be 39 next year, I do have a pension through my employer as well as 401K, but I also have my own investments going on....and dont count on social security being around.Wise man. If you don't look after yourself and spread your risk, you will end up in the dog house later. You should also try to by a property, any property, even if it means doing without for now... oh and chop up those Credit Cards.

And unions dont have much luck either at running pension funds:

http://www.nlpc.org/olap/congress/020910a.htm

There are numerous, numerous, numerous stories involving corruption by union leaders in the running of member pension funds.......some make corporate corruption look like childs play....Child's play compared with ENRON, WolrdCom, Parmalat, etc.

My point remains that there is still a need for Union protection, even if it means making Management Sweat. I think I've made it fairly clear by now.

[valvano]

Wise man. If you don't look after yourself and spread your risk, you will end up in the dog house later. You should also try to by a property, any property, even if it means doing without for now... oh and chop up those Credit Cards.


wife and i have some substantial investments through commercial real estate...suck it up now, enjoy life later...

oh, and about corruptions, you may want to rethink that. some things have gone down involving union leaders here in the states that make enron, etc look like kids fighting in a sand box

[valvano]

Ironic, I agree. Hypocritical, even... but I think this demonstrates that unions are capable of obeying Market Forces, even if it means pissing off other unions.



did you make a freudian slip? you admit that when dealing with union labor, rules, regulatinos, etc that you are no longer dealing with real world market forces??

:confused:

[Ace42X]

then why dont you stick to a message board run by a non american musical group?

What's the point in preaching to the choir?

Why not buck a lifetime habit and try thinking before you speak?

Oh, that's right, because you are a worthless cunt.

next time shit hits the fan in your country, make sure and call canada to help you out, cocksucker

Is that the best you got? A half-hearted fallacy? I know that you like hearing your own opining more than fact, but really...

What does that even mean? "Next time the shit hits the fan" ? What precisely is America going to do? Your nation is a fucking joke, you can't even put your own house in order, so what on Earth do you think you can do for my country?

Institute a privatised health system that costs more for inferior treatment? Legalise guns, thereby raising gun-crime stats to some of the worst in the world? Increase racial divisions, animosity and social injustice? Lower the average IQ and increase the waistband size? Pollute our rivers and ravage our countryside? Increase our national debt by a factor of several million? Lower the average wage? Raise the incidence of violent crime?

If the "shit is going to hit the fan" then it will be because of the US, not despite it.

Your country is a backwards shithole that can't achieve a damn thing but destructive chaos. It is only the concerted efforts of every sane person on the planet that is keeping you from self-destruction. You're lucky that the rest of the world has too much invested in the planet to leave you and your ilk to your own devices.

[marsdaddy]

PA no doubt has a labor board that would handle any wage disputes. File a claim -- doesn't cost you a thing -- and Wal-Mart will have to defend itself. Chances are the amount is so small, they might just settle ahead of time. Bad news: it might take a year to get the matter heard. Good news: you file in the state you live in and Wal-Mart won't get a change of venue.

Or, I'm sure you could join a myriad of class action suits against Wal-Mart. Chances are you get nothing, though. Even if the case wins, the lawyers get the cash.

[Ali]

did you make a freudian slip? you admit that when dealing with union labor, rules, regulatinos, etc that you are no longer dealing with real world market forces??

:confused:Unions are anti-Market forces. That is my point.

[valvano]

then how are these managers that you want to hold accountable supposed to deal with running a business when they dealing with forces that are not natural?

[Funkaloyd]

What's unnatural about workers wanting to better their conditions?

[valvano]

What's unnatural about workers wanting to better their conditions?

what's un-natural about business wanting to keep their costs in line and not pay wages/benefits that are above the going market rate in order to stay competitive?

:confused:

[Echewta]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051222/ap_on_bi_ge/wal_mart_lunch_breaks

[STANKY808]

Clearly, expecting a lunch break during your work day is not natural.

[Funkaloyd]

what's un-natural about business wanting to keep their costs in line and not pay wages/benefits that are above the going market rate in order to stay competitive?Exactly. Now, what's unnatural about the government (which is comprised of people, after all) feeling altruistic and stepping in? On the other hand, what's unnatural about slavery?

Nothing. In fact, given the definition of "natural" that we seem to be working with, I can't think of anything unnatural in economics (except Ayn Rand's success, perhaps). Which is why it shouldn't (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy) be a factor in economic policy decisions.

[valvano]

Exactly. Now, what's unnatural about the government (which is comprised of people, after all) feeling altruistic and stepping in? .

ummmmmm....the govt has a huge history of totally fucking things up when it decides to step in and get involved with situations...

i could spend all day with a list....

:rolleyes:

[baltogrl71]

hey I am sorry about your job situation,but maybe you can get creative and find what your area needs and go out on your own. As for Wal-Mart FUCK them is right I wish our F-d up country could stop supporting this freakin horrible shit! What about the little guy? What about the fact that every freakin town in this country is like a big f'in Wal-Mart it's like a disease what the f is wrong with this country STOP SHOPPING THERE!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus! this whole country is going to be one big F-ing Wal-Mart if all these stupid fucks don't stop supporting that F-ING store!PLEASE DON'T SHOP THERE!

[pshabi]

When I applied at wal-mart, I e-mailed all my friends back home telling them "you'd think I'd know better than to work for a company with a long history of unethical practices, discrimination cases and labor law violations..."

I'm currently living in East Stroudsburg, PA. It sucks here. wal-mart was actually the "best" job available here. I've been out here for 2 months and I'm already moving back to Smoklahoma. It doesn't matter who you are...all the jobs here suck...and pay L-O-W. You have to commute over an hour for a decent job. But the low wages didn't bother me because my plan is/was to live with my dad and save $$$ for my big move to Europe next year. I got tired of being an office slave for corporate america, paying bills and rent over and over. I figured that a full time job flipping burgers or something (and not pay any bills) would still leave me with more disposable income than a good paying job. FUCK THAT PLAN. I forgot about the "being treated like dogshit" part of a low-paying job. So I accepted a job with an insurance company back in OKC that pays fairly well and decided to move into a 1 bedroom apt with my 2 female friends. ;)

Back to the topic (just had to set the record straight that I'm not a "can't find a better job than wal-mart" type of guy).....I only have a copy of the ALTERED contract. Even on the copy you can tell it has been altered.

Getting a lawyer would be a waste of time for me since the paycheck was only for 1 weeks worth of work. I quit as soon as I realized they screwed me. At least I didn't take the job seriously and wasn't a "team" worker.


The brainwashing "YOU MUST LOVE WAL MART" vidoes they showed during orientation were funny. They gave us the illusion that all the products are american made and the company is great for america....and that unions are evil.

I should steal some shit from wal-mart to balance the universe.

If you're like me, (back when I had to work at "Wal-mart" type companies) then the cut in wages was probably from all the weed you smoked on the clock, on company property.

Plus all the naps you took while you were supposed to be helping customers.

Serves us both right.

[Ally Al]

i have something to send you and i can't coz it's full

oh yeah, and wal mart sucks!!!

[DJ_Skrilla]

If you're like me, (back when I had to work at "Wal-mart" type companies) then the cut in wages was probably from all the weed you smoked on the clock, on company property.

LOL. Sounds like all my jobs... Its okay if u deliver pizza but not if u work in a small hi-tech company where your employees can tell. At the pizza place its not like anyone gives a shit, except if you start eating too much of the raw ingredients.