i go out of my way to say happy holidays just to spite conservative christians [Archive]

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 01:06 AM

I was talking to Wayne about what it's like to be Jewish around this time of year. He told me that you start to notice all the small-talk clerks do regarding Christmas. "Oh, have you gotten all your Christmas shopping done yet?"
"No, I'm Jewish."
"OH! I'm sorry."

And he's just thinking "What the hell are you sorry about?"

Anyways, it's gotta be really annoying for him to hear "Merry Christmas" all the time, because he hates Jesus and all.

CJM

12-20-2005, 01:16 AM

^hehe

Loppfessor

12-20-2005, 02:30 AM

Fuck you, and Merry Christmas!!!

ms.peachy

12-20-2005, 02:32 AM

Hooray for being petty and spiteful.

Seriously, what's the point?

Loppfessor

12-20-2005, 02:46 AM

Hooray for being petty and spiteful.

Seriously, what's the point?

For real man…maybe next year I’ll start eating huge meals in front of a bunch of Muslims during Ramadan. A lot of you fuckers preach tolerance and understanding then mock anyone with “traditional” beliefs. (n)

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 03:34 AM

There's a big difference between eating in front of someone who's fasting and saying "Happy Holidays" to someone who celebrates Christmas. It's not a slap in the face to them (or at least it shouldn't be, it could be if they're insane), it's just a form of resistance against what's happening nowadays with Bill O'Reilly's fake "War on Christmas" shit. It's more of a way to say "I accept all religions, and would like you to know this." That's the way I take it. I've found myself wanting to correct myself and say "Happy Holidays" more and more, just because we should be tolerant of others religions. You can still be tolerant of Christianity by saying 'Happy Holidays' to them, but it gives them the message that Christmas isn't the only holiday out there so they shouldn't be so stuck up on themselves.

Loppfessor

12-20-2005, 03:41 AM

There's a big difference between eating in front of someone who's fasting and saying "Happy Holidays" to someone who celebrates Christmas. It's not a slap in the face to them

Read the title of this thread, they're talking about doing it out of spite for Christians. I'll stick with "Merry Christmas"....if people don't like that's their problem.

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 03:49 AM

Loppfessor

12-20-2005, 03:56 AM

Yeah, I know. I said it's a form of resistance to the Christians, to let them know that you believe in other religions too.

To Christians I know, I'd say "Merry Christmas," to be courteous, just like I'd say "Happy Hannukah," to my Jewish friends, and so on. To the Jerry Falwell's and Bill O'Reilly pricks in the world, they get a nice "Happy Holidays," because if they're going to start a war, I'll show them what side I'm on.

I dig where you're coming from I really do but the world is just too damn PC these days. In my eyes this time of year is Christmas time so I wish people a Merry Christmas plain and simple. 99.99% of the Jew or Muslims I know arent' going to freak out on me for doing it either, and if they did I'd probably tell em lighten up or piss off. Issues like these aren't about the average joe or jane. Political types just use them for yet another reason to bicker and fight, it's actually pretty sickening.

ms.peachy

12-20-2005, 04:20 AM

It's more of a way to say "I accept all religions, and would like you to know this."
It's that last bit that gets up my nose. If you're so keen on them not shoving what they believe in your face, why do you make excuses for yourself for doing the same thing? What do you care whether or not they 'know' what you believe? Do you need them to 'know' in order to feel validated? If so, you're behaving just as badly as those Christians that are so insecure in their own beliefs that they get freaked about the "Happy Holidays" business.

boys_beastie

12-20-2005, 04:44 AM

christianity my ass, im in it for the free stuff

yeahwho

12-20-2005, 04:48 AM

This is the one time of the year I just like to check my eggo at the door.

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 04:50 AM

I don't excuse myself for doing the same thing. It's fighting fire with fire. If they're going to be assholes about what they believe to me purposefully, I'll do the exact same thing back to them. I don't take shit from people.

Obviously I do care that other people know what I believe - if I didn't, I wouldn't have John Kerry stickers on my car. It's a form of resistance. When they're the majority, I feel like it is necessary to voice my opinion. When Republicans are in power, you better believe I'll have my "Proud to Live in a Blue State" bumper sticker. When Christians run this country and have an 80% showing and still say that there's a "War Against Christmas," you're damn right I'm gonna let them know I believe in respecting other religions. If they didn't hear any form of resistance, they'd think they ruled the world.

ms.peachy

12-20-2005, 04:58 AM

Got it. Wrong + Wrong = Right. (y)

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 04:59 AM

Please tell me, how is my resistance "wrong"?

ms.peachy

12-20-2005, 05:00 AM

It's fighting fire with fire. If they're going to be assholes about what they believe to me purposefully, I'll do the exact same thing back to them. I don't take shit from people.

That's how.

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 05:01 AM

So not letting myself be stepped all over and standing up for myself is wrong?

Fine, I don't wanna be right then.

ms.peachy

12-20-2005, 05:05 AM

I don't expect you to be able to see it, because you are too close to it to have perspective at the moment. In the same way that I wouldn't expect someone who is a conservative Christian to be able to see their own hypocrisy either, because they have too much invested in their own viewpoint.

Hurling a rock back at someone who has throw one at you isn't 'resistance', it's merely being reactionary. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, as they say.

Loppfessor

12-20-2005, 05:05 AM

This is the one time of the year I just like to check my eggo at the door.

Yeah I don't allow outside food for beverages in my house either.

I don't excuse myself for doing the same thing. It's fighting fire with fire. If they're going to be assholes about what they believe to me purposefully, I'll do the exact same thing back to them. I don't take shit from people.

How is wishing someone a Merry Christmas giving them shit??

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 05:12 AM

In the same way that I wouldn't expect someone who is a conservative Christian to be able to see their own hypocrisy either, because they have too much invested in their own viewpoint.

Hurling a rock back at someone who has throw one at you isn't 'resistance', it's merely being reactionary. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, as they say.

So by your theory, if someone attacks you verbally, you're not going to stand up for yourself? You'll just sit there and take what they have to say and not give your opinion? I guess we should outlaw political debates in this country then. And mind you, "Happy Holidays" is NOT a verbal insult back to the person, so the idea of "eye for an eye" is ridiculous in this perspective. It is peaceful resistence, not meant to HURT the other person, it is meant to give them your opinion.

How is wishing someone a Merry Christmas giving someone shit??

Exactly my point! If they have no problem with saying Merry Christmas, they should have no problem with me saying "Happy Holidays." That's the whole point. Bill O'Reilly has a real problem with people saying Happy Holidays and makes a point not to. That's ridiculous and shouldn't even be an issue. But if they want one, they can have it.

ms.peachy

12-20-2005, 05:25 AM

So by your theory, if someone attacks you verbally, you're not going to stand up for yourself? You'll just sit there and take what they have to say and not give your opinion? I guess we should outlaw political debates in this country then. And mind you, "Happy Holidays" is NOT a verbal insult back to the person, so the idea of "eye for an eye" is ridiculous in this perspective. It is peaceful resistence, not meant to HURT the other person, it is meant to give them your opinion.

I don't think you are hearing what I am saying.

I get that you think that you are making some sort of big statement or doing something important somehow by insisting on saying "happy holidays" instead of 'merry christmas'. But what's undermining your point is that your agenda clearly isn't that you want them to have a happy holiday, whichever one it is that they celebrate, but that YOU want to make a point about what YOU think, and jab a finger in someone's eye doing it - you're acting with a degree of malice, not altruistically. It's a bit like saying "yeah, thanks very much" sarcastically, whilst meaning "hey, fuck you pal".

And that's what I think is really crap, and why I say it's 'two wrongs' - if the idea of wishing good tidings for the season is that we're meant to be all about peace and goodwill towards one another, it's quite saddening that anyone, whichever "side" they are on, uses it as a means to heap scorn and ill will on others. So you think you're acting in some revolutionary capacity, but the way I see it, you're just being a bit petty and meanspirited.

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 05:33 AM

I don't think you are hearing what I am saying.

I get that you think that you are making some sort of big statement or doing something important somehow by insisting on saying "happy holidays" instead of 'merry christmas'. But what's undermining your point is that your agenda clearly isn't that you want them to have a happy holiday, whichever one it is that they celebrate, but that YOU want to make a point about what YOU think, and jab a finger in someone's eye doing it - you're acting with a degree of malice, not altruistically. It's a bit like saying "yeah, thanks very much" sarcastically, whilst meaning "hey, fuck you pal".

And I specifically said "To the Jerry Falwell's and Bill O'Reilly pricks in the world, they get a nice "Happy Holidays," because if they're going to start a war, I'll show them what side I'm on." So yes, to the Jerry Falwells and Bill O'Reillys, you're absolutely right. I'll definitely be a bit petty to them, because in my mind, they have it coming to them. If they can dish it out, they can take it. They're not wishing me a Merry Christmas as much as they are making a political point, so I will do the exact same thing back to them.

The others, however:"To Christians I know, I'd say "Merry Christmas," to be courteous, just like I'd say "Happy Hannukah," to my Jewish friends, and so on." So your idea of me "Insisting on using 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'" just isn't true.

I don't have a hang-up on JUST using Happy Holidays. If someone says "Merry Christmas" to me, I'll say it back. I do say Happy Holidays if I don't know the person's religion, or if they're being an asshole Christian on purpose. If they have no meaning or kindness behind their words, why should I show them courteousness?

ms.peachy

12-20-2005, 05:42 AM

why should I show them courteousness?

To take the high road, act out of kindness and be the person to show compassion in the face of adversity, maybe?

Listen, if you want to stoop to the levels of those whose tactics you claim to deplore, then clearly nothing I or anyone else says can stop you. But don't expect me to respect your actions, if you do not respect yourself and others enough to stand with your head held high and do what is right, rather than what is easy.

I am not saying you are a bad person, only that I think in this situation, you are behaving as disgracefully as those you say you are 'resisting'.

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 05:52 AM

To take the high road, act out of kindness and be the person to show compassion in the face of adversity, maybe?

Listen, if you want to stoop to the levels of those whose tactics you claim to deplore, then clearly nothing I or anyone else says can stop you.

If you asked me about a year and a half ago, I'd agree with you. I'm actually always kind and compassionate, but there are some situations that grate on my nerves. I can only be so kind for so long.

I look at the 2004 elections, where Kerry had 75% of his ads be positive, whereas Bush had 75% of his ads be negative. Bush won. I do despise his tactics, but they do work.

So by trying to be nice, show them compassion and expect to have it back, to set a good example - all things that are dead to me, along with my faith in humanity.

paulb

12-20-2005, 05:55 AM

If you asked me about a year and a half ago, I'd agree with you. I'm actually always kind and compassionate, but there are some situations that grate on my nerves. I can only be so kind for so long.

I look at the 2004 elections, where Kerry had 75% of his ads be positive, whereas Bush had 75% of his ads be negative. Bush won. I do despise his tactics, but they do work.

So by trying to be nice, show them compassion and expect to have it back, to set a good example - all things that are dead to me, along with my faith in humanity.

go back to sleep...

QueenAdrock

12-20-2005, 06:01 AM

I've been up for 24 hours studying. Don't even mention sleep, that's cruel. :(

ms.peachy

12-20-2005, 06:01 AM

So by trying to be nice, show them compassion and expect to have it back, to set a good example - all things that are dead to me, along with my faith in humanity.
Well, that's very unfortunate. I am truly sorry to hear that you feel that way.

Try and have a Merry Christmas anyway. Or, a Happy Holiday. Or, you know, whatever you want to call it :)

You know, I was thinking last night, while I was watching The Corporation, about how difficult it is sometimes to have hope in people and in the world. And I could feel the Bean moving around in my belly and was thinking a bit about what a crap world it is sometimes, and how it's going to be a challenge to raise a child to be aware and thoughtful and compassionate and hopeful in such a place. But you know, this is life, this is what my job is going to be as a parent. But even if it wasn't, overall, I choose to hold on to the small good things I see around me, and look for the hope rather than the hopelessness, and recognise the tiny daily acts of courage in people. It's not always easy, but it's not always all that hard, either.

Loppfessor

12-20-2005, 07:12 AM

In any event it's crappy that the world has come to this. This time of year is supposed to be the happiest ya know?

roosta

12-20-2005, 07:17 AM

EVEN tho, its a co-opted pagan ritual i guarantee you it wouldnt be celebrated today in such a fashion if it wasnt for Christianity

i also hope you sit at home christmas day and do absolutly no celebrating, just to complete your crusade.

scotty

12-20-2005, 07:17 AM

Happy midsummer, peoples (y)

wanton wench

12-20-2005, 09:18 AM

why dont we all just be assholes? :rolleyes:

cmon man,
lead with love :)

DandyFop

12-20-2005, 10:14 AM

You know, I was thinking last night, while I was watching The Corporation, about how difficult it is sometimes to have hope in people and in the world.

I think about this quite often. It makes me sad that QueenAdrock feels like this. As a young liberal in the U.S. it can be extremely frustrating to deal with a constant steam of conservative bullshit, not to mention all the other problems our society creates and faces every day.

I have grown up in one of the most conservative states in the U.S. for almost my entire life. When I was younger, I did feel a kind of strange bitterness towards the Mormon church, mostly because all the kids hung out there together and so I felt left out. When I was in high school it was all about being "anti-mormon". But now that I'm older I don't care as much. I've realized that finding the good in people is infinitley better than finding the bad, because if I'm someone who says that I support peace then what am I saying by trying to tell people they can't have their belief system?

With that being said, I do have plans in my future of being an activist for peace, and opposing a lot of the things i don't believe in in the world, but I'm hoping to do it in a positive light, with education and other means. I can't figure out how to finish this blabbing so I will just say happy holidays to everybody, no spite intended, just because "happy holidays" is often what comes out of my mouth without any sort of intention.

Kid Presentable

12-20-2005, 10:40 AM

Whenever somebody says 'Merry Christmas' to me, I explain that their mother takes it in the ass off three shots of Frangelico.

roosta

12-20-2005, 10:51 AM

noam chomsky is the man

SobaViolence

12-20-2005, 11:01 AM

i just want presents and to get piss drunk with my family.

i don't care what it's called.

instigator7022

12-20-2005, 11:03 AM

I was walking down the hallway yesterday @ school and i found this paper taped to the wall and it was a picture of a menorah with X's all over it and then next to it was a christmas tree and the top said "Merry Christmas"

I found it incredibly funny so i ripped it down and now it's in my notebook.

instigator7022

12-20-2005, 11:23 AM

Damn it, I've been spited again! Why won't be people let me be?

I've got no problems with jewish people but when i saw that i couldn't help but laugh. It's just terrible.

But it's really upsetting when America comes to the conclusion that green and red cookies can't be brought into schools anymore because it would potentially offend people of other religions.

The menorah with X's is just a tiny bit offensive though.

GetYourWarOn

12-22-2005, 09:58 PM