Homosexuals

[miss_bhaven]

Just want to see what people on this board think of lesbians/gays? Do you have no problem with it, or do you completely disagree with it? Also, do you think a homosexual couple can have the same chance of living a 'fulfilled' life as to say a 'normal' couple? In regards to marriage and kids etc...

Being with a chiq myself, I believe that if you truly love someone it shouldn't matter what sex they are. But that's just my opinion :)

[roosta]

they're so gay

[marsdaddy]

Homosexuals are people, too!

[TAL]

Just like Soylent Green.

[adam_f]

I always thought Dermot Mulroney was gay. If he is gay, he's such a faggot.

[burbboi]

Homos are aiight.

I disagree with the Canadian Government in legalizing gay marriage. The pole might fit in the hole, but purely for the fact that same sex couples cannot produce offspring should discount the label of marriage for them.

There is nothing wrong with commonlaw coupling in my mind. They are basically entitled to the same tax law and family law (insurance policies for instance) as male and female married couples are. Heck, if homosexuals want to coin their own term for marriage so be it.


I'm just a very strong believer that marriage should be reserved for male and female unions.

[adam_f]

When did Canada form a government?

[kleptomaniac]

I believe that if you truly love someone it shouldn't matter what sex they are. But that's just my opinion :)


i agree wholeheartedly :o

(i learned a lot from will & grace too :cool: )

[adam_f]

Even if they're black?

[burbboi]

When did Canada form a government?

In my mind, it isn't really a government. Just a bunch of lying thugs.


P.S DON'T VOTE LIBERAL!!

[Funky Pepp]

I'm heterosexual and I'm married and I think it's not fair that homosexuals are not allowed to marry. In Germany they "invented" something like a homo-marriage, but they still don't have the same rights as us "normal" people. I think it's not right to call it something else. Why is a homosexual love differend to a hetero love...

[burbboi]

Why is a homosexual love differend to a hetero love...

Because they can't give birth to children. That in essence makes it different. Love is love blah blah blah. If that's true, then commonlaw unions should be enough, but it not because same sex couples seem to feel left out because they can't call their unions marriage. They have the right to feel that way I guess.


I don't want to offend anyone. This thread peaked my interest so i'm stating my opinion on the matter.

[CJM]

i like lesbians.

[Bob]

who cares if two people of the same gender want to be together? as long as they're both the same race

ok, i stole that from dave attel. and adam f already beat me to the racial humor card. this reply just sucks.

[SobaViolence]

the ceremony may be religious, but the actual union is a civil union. that means it is controlled by the state, and last time i checked, there is a seperation between church and state so we do not become a theocracy.


but, of course, america is almost run by christian fundamentalists...whatev floats yer boat

[Echewta]

So male/female couples who descide not to have children or cant have children, shouldn't be married because marriage is about having babies? Lame.

[Funky Pepp]

Because they can't give birth to children. That in essence makes it different. Love is love blah blah blah. If that's true, then commonlaw unions should be enough, but it not because same sex couples seem to feel left out because they can't call their unions marriage. They have the right to feel that way I guess.
There's enough hetero couples who don't want to have babies. So, they shouldn't be allowed to marry either?

[DandyFop]

I mirror Echewta's sentiment. burbboi, your reasons for homos not to get married sounds more like a reason that homos shouldn't exist at all.

[marsdaddy]

Because they can't give birth to children. That in essence makes it different.So hetero couples that medically cannot have children, or simply choose not to, or even choose to adopt are different than couples that have children? What about couples that don't want children?

Many homo couples I know want to marry so they can have children and raise a family together. :cool:

[burbboi]

It's turning my country into a fucking zoo. Heteros don't need a parades to tout their sexual preference. It's embarassing having Canada known as the 'Gay Las Vegas' of the north.

I don't doubt that gay/lesbian couples feel love in the same way hetero couples do. I personally think our government jumped the gun in legalizing it. Without statistic from the trials of same sex marriage in other countries, the Liberal government just went forth with it thinking it was the right thing to do.

[DandyFop]

burbboi will you please answer the question about offspring though. What about hetero people that can't produce children?

[TurdBerglar]

i don't give a fuck if your gay/lesbian. but the dudes that act all flamer like, i just can't stand. i just wanna beat the shit out of them. i just find that personality to be highly annoying for whatever reason.

[Chicka B]

If you learn to love then you might love life. I'm so clever.

[burbboi]

burbboi will you please answer the question about offspring though. What about hetero people that can't produce children?

Well if they can't its probably a disorder of some sort. And, if they don't choose to have kids I guess they're just fucked up because children are wonderful. My sisters' fiancee is like that and it's unfortunate.

Just to clarify..if homosexual couples want to adopt kids, more power to them. They can be just as loving (in many cases more loving) than hetero couples. It's the inherent difference between the two types of 'marriage' i'm trying to point out. same sex couples cannot physically give birth to children. It's not a coincidence . Sure they can love just as much as anyone and that's great.. we need more love in this fucked up world these days. But same-sex 'births' are not meant to happen and in the large scheme of things this is substantial.

If god, or for all you scientologists out there, 'the ancient alien race we've descended from' (lol) meant for same-sex couples to reproduce then they probably would have made all mammals asexual and just left it at that. There is not one creature on Earth that doesn't reproduce in some way or another.

Any way you cut it, homosexual couples cannot both reproduce together. Which is one of the reasons men and women have been married in the traditionally. To spend their lives together and raise children of their own. same-sex couples can raise adopted children...women even get artificially inseminated with another man's sperm or in the case of men, use a surrogate mother to create a child of their own...but it isn't both of their doings. It's one or the other but not both of the couples contributing to the conception.


Which is purely why I believe the union of same-sex couples should be labelled differently.

[marsdaddy]

Well if they can't its probably a disorder of some sort. And, if they don't choose to have kids I guess they're just fucked up because children are wonderful. My sisters' fiancee is like that and it's unfortunate.

Just to clarify..if homosexual couples want to adopt kids, more power to them. They can be just as loving (in many cases more loving) than hetero couples. It's the inherent difference between the two types of 'marriage' i'm trying to point out. same sex couples cannot physically give birth to children. It's not a coincidence . Sure they can love just as much as anyone and that's great.. we need more love in this fucked up world these days. But same-sex 'births' are not meant to happen and in the large scheme of things this is substantial.

If god, or for all you scientologists out there, 'the ancient alien race we've descended from' (lol) meant for same-sex couples to reproduce then they probably would have made all mammals asexual and just left it at that. There is not one creature on Earth that doesn't reproduce in some way or another.

Any way you cut it, homosexual couples cannot both reproduce together. Which is one of the reasons men and women have been married in the traditionally. To spend their lives together and raise children of their own. same-sex couples can raise adopted children...women even get artificially inseminated with another man's sperm or in the case of men, use a surrogate mother to create a child of their own...but it isn't both of their doings. It's one or the other but not both of the couples contributing to the conception.


Which is purely why I believe the union of same-sex couples should be labelled differently.Without checking your profile, I'm guessing you still have a lot of growing up to do. I hope you open your mind to alternative views.

What about atheists?

Okay, just one more comment, and I'll leave the rest. Marriage is not about having children. It's all about accumulating and protecting the wealthiest members of society.

[Funky Pepp]

Marriage is not about having children. It's all about accumulating and protecting the wealthiest members of society.

No, that's not true. If you think like that, you are not ready for it. Marriage
is or at least should be about love. Let me tell you this. It's my 10th wedding
anniversary in January and I'm not really one of the wealthiest members of
society :(

[burbboi]

What about atheists?



Live commonlaw. Marriage wouldn't mean shit to them right? Just another 'label'.

[Documad]

I think you should quit complaining about Canada being the gay Vegas. My gay friends have spent loads of money having weddings up there and it has to be good for the economy.

P.S. You should be more worried about us invading Alberta for your oil. ;)

[emceefukit]

I really don't have a problem with gays until they start going on and on about how gay they are. Straight people don't go around telling everyone how striaght they are, just shut the fuck and be whatever you are.

[DapperDiverge]

any one remember being in the school locker room and feeling too uncomfortable to undress??...

do you think it was because you were ashamed of your body

or...

afraid that there might be some gay kid staring at you the whole time??



it kinda feels like you're being eye raped right?...

but admit it... you've probably looked at other kids privates too... and you make up an excuse like, "I'm just comparing...or, I was just amazed by the size"

does that mean you're gay??...

Could it be, just maybe... we're all alittle homo inside?? ;)

Oh yeah! I can't stand snippy gay guys... like on queer eye for the straight guy... fuck them to hell!!!

dykes are fine... ya can look... but don't touch!!

[Medellia]

Live commonlaw. Marriage wouldn't mean shit to them right? Just another 'label'.
What a load of horse shit. Ever hear of the seperation of church and state?

[P of R]

I have absolutely nothing against homosexual people.

Why should I? There's absolutely nothing to be against, unless your ignorant or if it is against your religion (or both.)

[Tzar]

Ever hear of the seperation of church and state?
yep. in a Slayer DVD i've got, some guy says that Slayer represent a "seperation of church and state".

[DandyFop]

Well if they can't its probably a disorder of some sort. And, if they don't choose to have kids I guess they're just fucked up because children are wonderful. My sisters' fiancee is like that and it's unfortunate.


Then if they have that disorder apparently "god" decided they shouldn't reproduce. So therefore, in your reasoning...no marriage?

[P of R]

Too much talk about god these days.

[ToucanSpam]

Anyone should be allowed to have a legal marriage.


By definition a Christian marriage is an act between a man and a woman...now I personally don't care if a homosexual couple have a wedding ceremony, but the reason it pisses people off because it directly defies one of the most important practices in the Catholic church. The way some would see it is simple: no one interrupts a Muslim during his prayer time, no one pisses down the back of a Buddhist while they meditate, and thus some don't see why homosexual couples can have weddings.

[Rawr]

there fine with me, but i get a bad view of them everyday. cause er.. a friend i guess you could call her, kayleigh is bisexual and its super annoying. she acts all sexual to straight girls and gets obsessed with any new girl she gets to know and trys to make her, her girlfriend. and bes like "Woah! shes hot!" at some random girl loudly and trys to make my bestfriend look les with her when shes not. and always takes advantage of me when im drunk.
:mad:

[voltanapricot]

Three of my best girlfriends are bisexual, I have a gay guy friend. When they tell me they love me I know they mean in more ways than one....

Hah, not really. That sort of behaviour could be to do with her age though, they were all like that when they were first like "Woah! I'm totally confident enough to shop around the corner now!"

You know when it was all new it's all very loud.

[Rancid_Beasties]

The reality is that in most countries civil unions have an inferior legal standing to marriages. If marriage was simply a religious ceremony, then I might be inclined to agree with the christian viewpoint. There needs to be a separation between relgious marriage and formal, status based marriage. Then homosexual couples could marry in one sense, but without offending the christians.

[miss_bhaven]

Then homosexual couples could marry in one sense, but without offending the christians.

Problem is, I'm Catholic (!)

[alexandra]

i'm not homosexual.
i'm not bisexual.
i'm not heterosexual.
I'M A FREAK.
^ said by a guest on Ricky Lake. or was it Oprah... anyway, i thought it was hilarious, and i bet a lot of us have felt the same thing.

[BangkokB]

I'm not one so I couldn't care one way or the other. But I hate people that want to cram their ideoligies down other peoples throats. But as far as the having the tax breaks and being recieved as family in making life or death decisions~Sure, why not?

I love reading hypocrites that throw the whole sanctity of marriage in everyones face when 41 percent of first marriages end in divorce.
60 percent of second marriages end in divorce.
73 percent of third marriages end in divorce. That's according to this (http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/200003/030_too_large.cfm).

I don't believe they should be married in a church though. But it's interesting how some parts of the Bible are disregarded and others are still firmly imbraced.

I'm sure that in the '60's, I'd been looked at as a Godless heretic since I'm in a mixxed marriage. That was til Loving vs. Virginia cleared that up

[ToucanSpam]

Problem is, I'm Catholic (!)
One would argue that you can't be Catholic.

[fucktopgirl]

personnaly i dont give a damn if you are hetero,homo,lesbian..

you want to get married in the church,go ahead!I am hetero and i will never go married in the church anyway because i dont beleuve in this system!So whatever make you happy,its find with me!!But if gay people have trouble to get married in the church ,they should scelled their loved in others way then,more meaningful.The church its for old fashioned mind,gay people are part of the modern world,evolution so,,,they should make their union while doing the bungee rope or whatever come to their mind.Why struggling to fit in a religion who is already lacking of openess of mind?

[DemonicAngel444]

Well, considering the fact that I know a lot of gay/bi/lesbian ppl I really think it's up to you. It's your choice, if thats what makes you happy I'm completely fine with it. I even have a cousin who is gay...

[Pres Zount]

Okay, with the exception of a few people, this is he worst thread I've read in a while.

You can't be a fucking catholic if you are gay; god hates homos!


But he likes tabulie.

[befsquire]

i have no problem with same sex couples getting married. if churches don't want to allow them to marry, that's fine, but the government should stop trying to regulate morals.

apparently, according to burbboi, bobby and i are just fucked up since we decided not to have a child together and there's no medical reason behind it. the part where i already have two children shouldn't factor in at all, since i had them during my first marriage, which ended in divorce. that likely just makes me fucked up to the 2nd power.

[guerillaGardner]

I have a fairly crappy experience of lesbians as I had a lesbian friend who was a fruitcake so I do find myself a little wary of them based on my limited experience (which I know is stupid and irrational)

I also hate that somebody has decided to make the Simpsons a vehicle for lots of gay reference instead of actual humour, thus destroying the show.

I also believe that gays can become famous with a complete lack of talent - such as Paul O'Grady, Julian Clary, David Walliams, Matt Lucas, etc, etc. Anyone can say any old shite in a camp voice. It doesn't make it funny.

Apart from that no-one has the right to tell them what they can and cannot do unless its causing anyone else any harm. Men and women are so incompatible at times that I'm sure in lots of cases homosexual couples will probably have more in common and therefore more satisfying relationships than most hetero couples.

[guerillaGardner]

Then homosexual couples could marry in one sense, but without offending the christians.

Who put the Christians in charge? It certainly wasn't god. He'd have to exist first, other than in their heads.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Who put the Christians in charge? It certainly wasn't god. He'd have to exist first, other than in their heads.
The fact is in most western countries, christians are in charge. Who put them there is irrelevant. You just have to deal with it. Anyway, I think everyone should try to make an effort to accomodate all religions. As TS mentioned earlier, most traditional christians take offense to gay marriage. The only way to get around this is to create a separation between the religious ceremony of marriage and the formal legal rights that come with marriage.

On the other hand, if civil unions were adjusted so that they entitled couples to the same rights as marriage, then I don't see what homosexual couples would have to complain about, at least to the government. They need to complain to their religious leaders if they want the traditional religious notion of marriage to be changed...

[alexandra]

You can't be a fucking catholic if you are gay; god hates homos!
god doesn't hate homos. god doesn't hate anyone. PEOPLE hate homos, and interpret the bible in a fucked up way. a catholic can still believe in the message of love that says in the bible.

[Rancid_Beasties]

After being bought up a catholic, and meeting people like Australia's Cardinal Pell and Melbourne's Archbishop Denis Hart, its hard to see the value in catholicism. Conservative Bishops such as those two really detract from the supposed inclusive nature of the catholic church. The hierarchy is so intrinsically linked to the catholic church, that its hard to distinguish between what the bible says and what the bishops say the bible means.

[voltanapricot]

As TS mentioned earlier, most traditional christians take offense to gay marriage. The only way to get around this is to create a separation between the religious ceremony of marriage and the formal legal rights that come with marriage.
There's still Civil Partnerships for homosexual couples. Catholics aren't particularly big on those as it "undermines" the whole concept of marriage.

[Rancid_Beasties]

There's still Civil Partnerships for homosexual couples. Catholics aren't particularly big on those as it "undermines" the whole concept of marriage.
Civil partnerships for homosexual couples, at least in Australia, don't guarantee the same rights as marriages. In fact until recent reforms they were nowhere near even de-facto heterosexual partnerships in terms of rights. Recently they changed the terms so both homosexual and heterosexual civil/defacto partnerships are known as "domestic partnerships". I could look up the exact rights that domestic partnerships still dont guarantee but that would require me to crack open my law books and its holidays so give me a break :mad:

And catholics here dont seem to mind the concept of a domestic partnership as long as those two homosexuals aren't catholic. In any case they still believe that you pretty much can't be catholic unless you are heterosexual.

[ToucanSpam]

You'd think that we already seperated the church from the state, but.......guess again!