The Drug War debate- #524 [Archive] - Beastie Boys Message Board

Bob

01-12-2006, 10:01 AM

people say pot makes you stupid, but i don't think so. my theory is that pot actually enhances your ability to create intellegent ideas at the expense of your ability to coherently communicate them...in other words, pot doesn't make you stupid, it just makes you sound stupid

for example, i was smoking with my friend, we were in the car, we were listening to music...and i'll say up front that i'm against smoking and driving, it's about as dumb as drinking and driving, it's just dangerous, don't do it...anyway, we're in the car, we're both toasted as hell, and we're listening to music, and this is one of the first times i'd ever smoked a significant amount, so everything is still pretty new to me. and i was experiencing the song in a way that i'd never experienced it before, it was absolutely mind-blowing, it was like an explosion of the senses on new levels, it was amazing, it was cosmic, and i just had to tell my friend to see if he was going through the same thing. so i turn to him and i say,

"duuude...i can like...feel the music"

and he said "dude, i can too"

don't mind me, i'm just trying out schtick today

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 10:19 AM

Well i am gona say a word about drugs legalisations/pot.Because i dont think they will legalise heroin and they should'nt ,nasty shit!

I think that if they legalise it will not make the people take more!But if yes who cares,people will be less moron maybe.I think its better that people smoke pot then drink at one extend!Alcool is far more dangerous then weed.
You can smoke and drive(yea bob,its alright).SO if legalisation of pot happen,
it will benefit the governement(a lot of dineros).But it will scatter the little grower that make a living out of it!THey will have huge growing operations,they will overloaded the market and drop the value of it!But the good thing no more jail or court for smoking it!

personnaly,no to legalisation !Here, people make living out of it,we dont want the fucking governement take control of that!

medical pot is already on the rise here in b.c.So it is accepted!

Rock

01-12-2006, 10:31 AM

drug legalization (would it lead to higher use?, ect)

I'm on the fence with this one. I feel like all drugs should be legalized sometimes, because it will be regulated and help lower crime rates. No one is going to be shooting someone on the block since they can go get a satchel of Cracko Puffs from their local goverment regulated peddler.
As we all know, the reason drugs are expensive is because of the legal ramifications that are associated with it. It would be a helluva lot cheaper if the govt. let it slide and taxed that shit (much like they do with alcohol and tabacco). Since the prices will drop..you wouldn't see as many thefts by junkies to get their next fix. I think a heroin junkie can get along in society as long as they get their fix. Once they run out of money or gear...thats when they start looting. With cheaper smack...that may be something of the past (to a certain extent).

But.....overdoses. Thats the only thing that scares me about legalized drugs. With an endless supply of goodies, people are gonna go nutty cuckoo with it. Buy some Mr. Brown's White Lady and decide they are going to do it all as quick as possible and BAM! Overdose.

Like I said...i'm on the fence.

Now herb....it makes no sense that it is illegal but cigarettes and alcohol aren't. No problem with marijuana being illegal. It may make some people stupid, but I know an assload of very successful potheads that have been smoking for over 15 years.

drug laws (fair? bullshit?)

I think possession charges are a joke under a certain amount. Personal users shouldn't have to worry about it.
Drug Cartels and their affiliates, on the other hand, should be punished. Only because the business they deal in is shady...lots of unnecessary deaths.

prison terms vs rehab for drug addicts.

Rehab terms for drug addicts. No prison. But mayhaps a 3 strikes kind of thing with that. You don't make it through your in-house rehab 3 times, they put you in prison for a short amount of time.

the drug war (failure? money better spent some place else?)

A waste. There will always be drugs coming in no matter how hard they stop it. They catch one person...but 10 more get through. Its a waste of time and effort.

medical pot and the like.

Yes please.

Bionic

01-12-2006, 10:42 AM

AT 92 YEARS OLD... ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING MEN ALIVE...

Economist Milton Friendman says LEGALIZE IT.

Prohibition & Drugs (http://www.druglibrary.org/special/friedman/prohibition_and_drugs.htm) Newsweek, May 1 1972
Stop Taxing Non-Addicts (http://www.druglibrary.org/special/friedman/stop_taxing_non.htm) Reason, October 1988
An Open Letter To Bill Bennett (http://www.druglibrary.org/special/friedman/an_open_letter_to_bill_bennett.htm) WSJ, Sept. 7 1989
Bennett Fears 'Public Policy Disaster!--It's Already Here (http://www.druglibrary.org/special/friedman/bennett_fears_.htm) WSJ, Sept. 29 1989
A War We're Losing WSJ (http://www.druglibrary.org/special/friedman/a_war_we_are_losing.htm), Thursday, March 7 1991
Interview with Milton Friedman on the Drug War "America's Drug Forum," (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Misc/friedm1.htm) 1991
The War We Are Losing (http://www.druglibrary.org/special/friedman/war_we_are_losing.htm) Hoover Institution Press, 1991
The Drug War as a Socialist Enterprise (http://www.druglibrary.org/special/friedman/socialist.htm)Friedman & Szasz, 1992

I generally agree with him but one thing to consider about the supposed drop in crime that would happen if they were legalized....

A lot of "criminals" would be out of a "job". They'll just find new illegal ways to make money.

roosta

01-12-2006, 11:28 AM

sometimes, when my mates buy hash, i think to myself, they're supporting criminals, and they respond, "im only buying a bit of hash", but the people selling the hash are also pushing much harder drugs, and are involved in prostitution, racketeering, murder, etc. etc. and it kinda bugs me.

and then i don't know how to feel. i'm not for legalising marijuana exactly, but at the same time, if you could take that away from the criminals it would be one less thing, and its one thing ALOT of people partake in....

ms.peachy

01-12-2006, 11:34 AM

You can smoke and drive(yea bob,its alright).

Great. Another nugget of brilliance from our regular punctuation abuser.

Rock

01-12-2006, 11:38 AM

I hate to say this...but I was a more cautious driver when I was highed up. Looking back, it was stupid to do, but I the only accidents I have ever been in where after I stopped smoking pot. Then again...they were never my fault. But still. I don't think I really have a point here...I'm just posting to post.

THRILLHO

01-12-2006, 11:44 AM

Fact: alcohol is more dangerous than pot.

Rock

01-12-2006, 11:45 AM

Yet its legal....

THRILLHO

01-12-2006, 11:47 AM

Yet its legal....

And frequently abused at alarming rates. And advertised as a responsible way to escape reality.

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 11:59 AM

Great. Another nugget of brilliance from our regular punctuation abuser.

haha,punctual abuser,,,i should go to jail!!

hey Peachy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that true tho,its a myth to say that when you smoke pot and drive its dangerous!I mean smoking pot does not make you crazy and shit,does not alter your state of mind to the point where you dont know how to drive:it's just give you a buzz!Its affect you way of thinking but not the way you perform everyday life things!

Alcool affect your capabilities physics,,and make your dumb mentaly sometime!

So,,,that said,,,,you can shoot pee cow in your vein if you want!!

Lex Diamonds

01-12-2006, 12:04 PM

Kids say no to drugs
So you don't act like everyone else does
And there's really nothing else to say
Drugs are just bad, mmkayyy.

Sarky Devotchka

01-12-2006, 01:07 PM

pot affects your motor skills, therefore, you should not drive things with motors.

yeah, I like a little weed now and then, and I know tons of people that smoke it that manage to hold down regular jobs and are fairly to very successful.

I think drug addicts should get rehab.

And as for jail time, there's this 65 year old lady around chicago who used to go to bars and sell pot muffins and other baked goods, but she finally got busted and they weighed the muffins and counted them as pot, so she got in big trouble and spent 6 weeks in jail. she's just an old lady trying to bring joy to all the little drunk kids.

yeah, I don't know.

ms.peachy

01-12-2006, 02:03 PM

that true tho,its a myth to say that when you smoke pot and drive its dangerous!I mean smoking pot does not make you crazy and shit,does not alter your state of mind to the point where you dont know how to drive:it's just give you a buzz!Its affect you way of thinking but not the way you perform everyday life things!

You are full of shit. Find me one single peer-reviewed controlled study that conclusively shows marijuana does not affect motor coordination and reaction time.

Personally I do not care all that much what drugs people do on their own time, with their own money, in their own homes. But how fucking dare anybody get high or get drunk and put themselves behind the wheel. How fucking irresponsible and selfish can you be. And you are a parent of a young child, you say. You take your kid in the car with you after you've been smoking? Way to go, Mom!

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 02:50 PM

You are full of shit. Find me one single peer-reviewed controlled study that conclusively shows marijuana does not affect motor coordination and reaction time.

Personally I do not care all that much what drugs people do on their own time, with their own money, in their own homes. But how fucking dare anybody get high or get drunk and put themselves behind the wheel. How fucking irresponsible and selfish can you be. And you are a parent of a young child, you say. You take your kid in the car with you after you've been smoking? Way to go, Mom!

First,shut up!I dont dare anybody and i am a responsable parent!And i never said to kids to get behind the wheel drunk!

I dont drink and drive!And i dont say to people to get drunk being the wheel!Pot is another thing,did you ever smoke it??If no maybe you should!!!!THen come back to talk about it!i dont drive and smoke,because usually when i 'm high,i do my shit at home!But my bf do drive!

Secondly, my source for saying that pot does not affect motor coordination,,is my entourage,,yea we are a gang of pothead!And i never witness in my life somebody who smoke a joint having an accident.But plenty of people in the dicht because of alcool!

Having said that,it might happen to people who are already lunatic and shit,thta when they are stone, too much space too drive ,it can happen but the % of car accident is more because of alcool,cocaine!Yea cocain is worst then pot!

ANd i dont spend money on this,,,i grow it!yea that right,i grow fucking marijuana!!So its free!

Rock

01-12-2006, 02:53 PM

Dude....I'm pretty sure its a fact that pot alters your depth perceiption.

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 02:54 PM

Dude....I'm pretty sure its a fact that pot alters your depth perceiption.

i never said the contrary!I 'm just saying that smoking and driving is not like drinking and driving!

but whatever!!

Qdrop

01-12-2006, 02:56 PM

YEAH, WHATEVER!

Rock

01-12-2006, 02:56 PM

Secondly, my source for saying that pot does not affect motor coordination,,is my entourage,,yea we are a gang of pothead!And i never witness in my life somebody who smoke a joint having an accident.But plenty of people in the dicht because of alcool!

I wish I had an entourage...that would be pretty bad ass. Actually, I think I would rather have a shout man.

instigator7022

01-12-2006, 02:58 PM

Fact: alcohol is more dangerous than pot.

I don't think anyone has died of smoking too much cheeba

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 03:00 PM

I wish I had an entourage...that would be pretty bad ass. Actually, I think I would rather have a shout man.

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And i say that"my source of saying that pot does not affect motor coordination"

My fucking source,my experience and the ones of my friends!

Rock

01-12-2006, 03:01 PM

Ok...now you are just talking crazy.

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 03:02 PM

fuck off fuckiign cheese dick!

ms.peachy

01-12-2006, 03:03 PM

Ok...now you are just talking crazy.
"now"?

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 03:04 PM

haha

you know what ,you all just need to smoke one,,too much constipation !!

Rock

01-12-2006, 03:04 PM

well usually I think I understand what she is trying to say...but that one made my brain hurt trying to decipher it.

ms.peachy

01-12-2006, 03:07 PM

well usually I think I understand what she is trying to say...but that one made my brain hurt trying to decipher it.
Hey, it's not that difficult. She's saying she's a pothead who has no problem with her boyfriend getting stoned and taking her kid for a ride, and anyone who thinks that makes her irresponsible as a parent can just FUCK OFF because clearly they don't know what their talking about and she does because she has smoked a lot of it and so have her friends and so they don't need any actual evidence or anything because they have experience OKAY?

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 03:08 PM

Dude....I'm pretty sure its a fact that pot alters your depth perceiption.

i agree with that,,but i dont think its dangerous like alcool is!

yes maybe be i was unclear in the post below!! :D

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 03:09 PM

Hey, it's not that difficult. She's saying she's a pothead who has no problem with her boyfriend getting stoned and taking her kid for a ride, and anyone who thinks that makes her irresponsible as a parent can just FUCK OFF because clearly they don't know what their talking about and she does because she has smoked a lot of it and so have her friends and so they don't need any actual evidence or anything because they have experience OKAY?

so this you ever smoke pot!!Oh no you keep your money for your breast implant ,,that true!

Rock

01-12-2006, 03:09 PM

i agree with that,,but i dont think its dangerous like alcool is!

yes maybe be i was unclear in the post below!! :D
This one? Whats so confusing about it?

ms.peachy

01-12-2006, 03:09 PM

Yeah cuz what's depth perception got to do with driving, anyway?

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 03:10 PM

This one? Whats so confusing about it?

hehehe

fuck now i am confuse!

ms.peachy

01-12-2006, 03:11 PM

so this you ever smoke pot!!Oh no you keep your money for your breast implant ,,that true!
Certainly I've smoked pot. I quite enjoy it. But I don't endanger other people's lives by taking control of two tons of metal and insisting that I'm fine to drive because 'pot isn't dangerous, like alcohol'. Because I'm not a friggin' idiot.

Lex Diamonds

01-12-2006, 03:13 PM

Certainly I've smoked pot. I quite enjoy it. But I don't endanger other people's lives by taking control of two tons of metal and insisting that I'm fine to drive because 'pot isn't dangerous, like alcohol'. Because I'm not a friggin' idiot.
It is far easier to drive stoned than drunk. Driving stoned is about as dangerous as driving with a hangover, or after not getting much sleep.

ms.peachy

01-12-2006, 03:21 PM

It is far easier to drive stoned than drunk. Driving stoned is about as dangerous as driving with a hangover, or after not getting much sleep.
Oh I see, so since it's not 'super-dangerous', just 'kinda-dangerous' then any mother should feel perfectly safe with her kids in the car and a stoner at the wheel! Thanks for clearing that up for me! Whew. What a relief it is to know that it's just a really stupid thing to do, and not a mega stupid thing to do.

Bob

01-12-2006, 03:25 PM

well it certainly has no effect on spelling or grammar

Lex Diamonds

01-12-2006, 03:36 PM

any mother should feel perfectly safe with her kids in the car and a stoner at the wheel!
What the hell are you talking about? I hope you don't have any children!

marsdaddy

01-12-2006, 04:02 PM

It is far easier to drive stoned than drunk. Driving stoned is about as dangerous as driving with a hangover, or after not getting much sleep.It's far easier to pull off that you're not fucked up when stoned than drunk, too. At least the cop didn't focus on me when I was hit by a drunk driver, even though I was driving stoned.

Of course, I was a bit distracted making my left turn on a busy downtown intersection, cautiously waiting until I had the left turn arrow -- the on-coming driver didn't stop for the red. I think back to that night and believe if I hadn't been stoned, I would have stopped in time and avoided the accident. Luckily, no one was hurt, but my LL Cool J LP, Bigger, Badder Deffer was crushed.

ms.peachy

01-12-2006, 04:37 PM

What the hell are you talking about? I hope you don't have any children!
You haven't really been paying attention, have you.

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 04:38 PM

well it certainly has no effect on spelling or grammar

nop,,this is something i have to work on!!Anyway since i chat here,it help me a lot !Even tho,its not yet visible!

Lex Diamonds

01-12-2006, 05:07 PM

You haven't really been paying attention, have you.
Not really no. :(

But the important thing is it's safer than alcohol. That's all I was saying. That's all anyone was ever saying. No one said it wasn't dangerous. I don't know where you got the idea that mothers should drive their children around stoned from though?

ms.peachy

01-12-2006, 05:13 PM

No one said it wasn't dangerous. I don't know where you got the idea that mothers should drive their children around stoned from though?
a quick recap:
ftp said it wasn't dangerous, that it's a myth that driving whilst stoned is unsafe.
I told her she was full of shit, and asked her if she drove around with her kid after smoking.
She said she doesn't herself, but it's OK if her boyfriend does.

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 05:29 PM

a quick recap:
ftp said it wasn't dangerous, that it's a myth that driving whilst stoned is unsafe.
I told her she was full of shit, and asked her if she drove around with her kid after smoking.
She said she doesn't herself, but it's OK if her boyfriend does.

in your recap you forgot to say that you though i was driving while drunk too!!!

Yea i definitely think its a myth: that the media make appears the consumption of pot worst then it is!I thinknthta people who smoke can drive properly,but there is always exceptions!!

my bf is driving for 15 years and he smoke for maybe all thoses years too! :D
not a single accident,,so i trust him!

what i find funny is you seem to have a misconception of people smoking weeds!You call them a stoner and like if they where just unable to do shit!!

that is just so funny!

befsquire

01-12-2006, 05:55 PM

i think pot should be legal. while legalizing cocaine, specifically in rock form, would certainly lighten my caseload, i don't think it should be legalized. i think it should be a misdemeanor, or that there should at least be a misdemeanor amount for possession purposes -- in florida, any amount is a felony. i don't have clients whoring themselves out for pot; every one of my prostitution clients with a drug problem are hooked on crack. mandatory rehab won't work; the user has to want the help and recognize he / she has a problem in order to get clean and try to stay clean.

we house too many crack addicts in our prisons, which is ridiculous. we started building all our extra prisons when crack came about, and i really believe that if crack were dealt soley by white dudes and consumed overwhelmingly by white people, the penalties would be far less severe and we wouldn't have as many new jails and prisons being built to house everyone. an average offer in my courtroom for someone charged with possession of crack, regardless of amount, is 18 months in the department of corrections, unless this is their first charge, and then they can have drug court or drug offender probation. i have seen only one case so far where the cocaine possession is powder.

courts are clogged with this stupid bullshit. if no one wants to legalize marijuana, make it into an offense where you receive a citation and you go pay a fine that increases for each time you're caught.

mikizee

01-12-2006, 07:28 PM

kaiser soze

01-12-2006, 08:54 PM

just like legal/prescription drug abuse

It is a person's responsibility what they choose to do with their minds and bodies

if you fuck up while high, you pay a higher penalty

ie: driving while drunk/stoned

Decriminalize, reform our treatment/education, and clean up the streets from criminals and dirty drugs/usage

and this is coming from someone who rarely drinks now

Tzar

01-12-2006, 10:02 PM

You haven't really been paying attention, have you.
:D

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 10:11 PM

why the fuck the big grin dude?

Medellia

01-12-2006, 10:34 PM

in your recap you forgot to say that you though i was driving while drunk too!!!
Yeah, she forgot to mention it because she never accused you of driving drunk.

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 10:36 PM

hey medellia what up?

Medellia

01-12-2006, 10:40 PM

Not much. What's up in BC? It is BC right?

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 10:43 PM

yess british colombia,one of the most beautiful province in canada with quebec!!

that true tho,peachy never accuse off drinking and driving! :o

Medellia

01-12-2006, 10:47 PM

At least you can admit when you're wrong. (y)

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 10:51 PM

At least!!>>haha ,like if i was wrong all the way!!!

yea,,that is one of my quality,being able to see where i was in the field with cow eating grass!!
fuck nobody perfect!

Medellia

01-12-2006, 10:56 PM

drug legalization (would it lead to higher use?, ect)
When first legalized there would probably be an increase in casual use. After the initial novelty wears off it'll probably go back to the way it was before it became legal. Usage may even decrease, as part of the appeal (at least in my personal experience) of drug use is that it isn't allowed.
drug laws (fair? bullshit?)
Bullshit.
prison terms vs rehab for drug addicts.
Rehab. Faith was right when she said that an addict won't get clean unless they want to. However, if they were sent to rehab they might actually make an attempt. In prison all the've got to look forward to is man love in the showers.
the drug war (failure? money better spent some place else?)
Failure. And the money spent could be better spent.
medical pot and the like.
For.

Medellia

01-12-2006, 10:58 PM

yea,,that is one of my quality,being able to see where i was in the field with cow eating grass!!
:confused:
You're a lot easier to understand, but occasionally you post something that I just can't get my head around. :o

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 11:02 PM

yea ,i guess when i write long text,i have too much grammar faults! :o

Medellia

01-12-2006, 11:05 PM

Heh, it's no biggie. There are people who post on here who's first (and probably only) language is English, and they are still totally incomprehensible. So, you're doing fine for the most part.

Anne Lauren

01-12-2006, 11:14 PM

I say make it all legal. Seriously, think about it...in a way, the positives could even out way the negatives by doing it. Look at how much money, violence, time, and effort is put into trying to prevent the selling and possession of drugs. And for what...it still happens. And in a way, even looking at the psychological aspect of drugs being illegal...it almost creates more of a thrill and curiosity to try the drugs. Kinda like the "forbidden apple" philosophy behind it. It's more temptting and appealing in sort of a "bad" way. Plus, these big time dealors are making a killing form it...simply because it's illegal...making it harder to get therefore making the prices outrageous and most of the drugs are cheap as hell to make. They're getting huge ass profits. Plus, it's tax free. Infact, that's how a lot of the big timers are getting noticed...they're living wealthy lifestyles, but supposedly working these low end jobs. The government should regulate them and tax the hell out of the drugs. If you're a junkie...you're gonna be a junkie. Someone's inability to have self discipline and not allow for something to overcome their life and ultimately destroy them is a personality flaw. In my experience in dealing with people that have addictive personalities...it's usually not just with drugs. It's a problem in many aspects of their life...relationships, work ethics, their own self image, etc. If it wasn't drugs, it would more than likely be something else. And in looking at the history behind many addicts...more than likely there will be a pattern throughout their lives. In other words, it doesn't just happen over night. However, there's not an absolute to everything in life.

fucktopgirl

01-12-2006, 11:16 PM

well,dont want to sound cheesy,,,

but thank!

give me hope that i can achieve an impeccable writing! :D

Medellia

01-12-2006, 11:16 PM

I wouldn't say make it all legal. Decriminalise it, but making it all completely legal is going a bit too far.

PS-You're welcome, ftg.

Anne Lauren

01-12-2006, 11:23 PM

I wouldn't say make it all legal. Decriminalise it, but making it all completely legal is going a bit too far.

Well, yeah. I mean, no rules and regulations equal chaos. I think that would be a little crazy sitting down at a restaurant and looking over and seeing someone shooting up heroin. But seriously, there would have to be some deep thought that went into it. I guess, I'm just saying that I ultimately feel that too much is invested into drug prevention.

ms.peachy

01-13-2006, 04:18 AM

At least!!>>haha ,like if i was wrong all the way!!!

yea,,that is one of my quality,being able to see where i was in the field with cow eating grass!!
fuck nobody perfect!
So in light of this then would you please clarify your previous statements. Is your position this:

It's a myth that driving while stoned dangerous. Marijuana has no affect on a person's physical coordination or judgement, and so getting behind the wheel after smoking is perfectly fine. I'm totally comfortable with the idea of my boyfriend or any of my friends driving around with my daughter in the car with them after they've done a few bong hits, because I know it's not a problem.

or is it this:

Driving when high probably is a bit unsafe, but it doesn't bother me if people drive around stoned because other things are even more dangerous. So if I or someone I know gets into an accident while we're stoned, it's probably not because of the dope, and if anyone(like my or someone else's totally innocent kid) gets killed or injured in the accident, well, that's just bad luck really and it's not like not being stoned could have prevented it.

ms.peachy

01-13-2006, 04:36 AM

ok. heres the thing about driving when stoned.

The south australian government did some studies recently to ascertain whether to start doing random drug testing on our roads, as victorian police do.

the police spokesman, robert brokenshire, made the following statements.

'we did studied the effects of alcohol whilst driving and the effects of marijuana whilst driving. we found that the major effects of alcohol are slower reaction times, lane swerving, increased speed, stoplight and stop sign running, etc. the effects of marijuana whilst driving were more cautious driving, slower average speeds, and some lane swerving. in the past i have smoked cones and driven, and was wondering while all these people were tooting me, and looked down and discovered that i was doing 35km/h down port rd'.

and this is from our POLICE MINISTER. so driving while stoned cant be all that bad.

Well, this is interesting, because in having a quick look around, I found the following statement from your Mr. Brokenshire:
Mr Brokenshire said statistics showed that almost 30% of road fatalities involve drivers using illicit drugs, yet the Labor Government had failed to act on Liberal legislation aimed at introducing random drug-driving testing.
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â€œThe buck now stops with Mike Rann who must take full responsibility if he does not act on the issue of drug driving,â€ he said.
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â€œStatistics show about 30% of road fatalities involve drivers using illicit drugs. That figure results in the deaths of dozens of people, which could possibly be avoided if random drug testing was introduced immediately.â€
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â€œMike Rann must stop playing politics with peopleâ€™s lives. Let there be no misunderstanding that we will hold the government accountable if it fails to immediately introduce legislation.
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â€œLiberal MP Ivan Venning introduced a Private Memberâ€™s Bill advocating random drug driving testing, but that has repeatedly been blocked by Labor and the so-called Independents.
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â€œIf Mr Venningâ€™s legislation was adopted and the government took a bipartisan approach, random drug-driving testing could be in place as soon as the middle of the year.
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â€œInstead Mike Rann is grandstanding on this issue. His claims that the government will be moving on drug driving next year are absolutely scandalous.

â€We know people are dying on SA roads because the Rann Government refuses to face up to this issue. I canâ€™t understand what is going on with this government.
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â€œThe only conclusion that I can draw is that we have another Labor administration that is soft on drugs. The previous Labor Government turned SA into the marijuana capital of the nation, and this one appears to be going soft on drugs.â€
from South Australia's Liberal Party website
I could find no source for your alleged quote however; nor could I find any other single instance of Mr. Brokenshire apparently 'supporting' driving under the influence of marijuana or any other drug. I did however find a few web pages from growers' and users' groups decrying Mr. Brokenshire's "anti-marijuana" policies, apparently because of his efforts to reduce the numer of palnts any individual is legally allowed to grow. So unless you can give a source for that quote, I am going to assume you read something somewhere once that you've interpreted the way you wish to, and are giving us a regurgitated version that is probably not terribly accurate.

fucktopgirl

01-13-2006, 09:26 AM

So in light of this then would you please clarify your previous statements. Is your position this:

It's a myth that driving while stoned dangerous. Marijuana has no affect on a person's physical coordination or judgement, and so getting behind the wheel after smoking is perfectly fine. I'm totally comfortable with the idea of my boyfriend or any of my friends driving around with my daughter in the car with them after they've done a few bong hits, because I know it's not a problem.

or is it this:

Driving when high probably is a bit unsafe, but it doesn't bother me if people drive around stoned because other things are even more dangerous. So if I or someone I know gets into an accident while we're stoned, it's probably not because of the dope, and if anyone(like my or someone else's totally innocent kid) gets killed or injured in the accident, well, that's just bad luck really and it's not like not being stoned could have prevented it.

none of thoses two!

it would be"I am perfectly find when my bf drive ,even tho he did smoke a joint but i would'nt just trust anybody!Marijuana can affect a person coordination if they(originally)have troouble with it!Its like,if you smoke and are a moron and without conscience,there is good chance you will be the same or worst after pot comsummation.If you are intelligent and a cautious person,after smoking a joint there is good chance you will still be cautious and have a brain!

ms.peachy

01-13-2006, 09:47 AM

none of thoses two!

it would be"I am perfectly find when my bf drive ,even tho he did smoke a joint but i would'nt just trust anybody!Marijuana can affect a person coordination if they(originally)have troouble with it!Its like,if you smoke and are a moron and without conscience,there is good chance you will be the same or worst after pot comsummation.If you are intelligent and a cautious person,after smoking a joint there is good chance you will still be cautious and have a brain!
OK, so then it's "Only people who are already uncoordinated or sociopaths are affected by smoking. Everybody else, smoke up all you like, and then drive drive drive, it won't make any difference," is that right?

So do you or do you not let your boyfriend drive your kid around when he's high? I mean it's fine to do that, since he's not an uncoordinated sociopath or anything, right?

fucktopgirl

01-13-2006, 09:59 AM

OK, so then it's "Only people who are already uncoordinated or sociopaths are affected by smoking. Everybody else, smoke up all you like, and then drive drive drive, it won't make any difference," is that right?

Like i said its 50/50%!Some people have a brain,some dont!I think that we should be scare of people driving while taking pills too then!There is people who drive that take worst stuff then pot,ya know!

So do you or do you not let your boyfriend drive your kid around when he's high? I mean it's fine to do that, since he's not an uncoordinated sociopath or anything, right?

Check,do you trust your man?I trust mine!end of it!

ms.peachy

01-13-2006, 10:08 AM

Check,do you trust your man?I trust mine!end of it!
I trust that mine is intelligent and responsible enough to know it's a really fucking stupid and selfish idea to operate a motor vehicle when he is under the influence of recreational pharmaceuticals, potentially placing the lives of himself and others at risk, yes.

fucktopgirl

01-13-2006, 10:12 AM

I trust that mine is intelligent and responsible enough to know it's a really fucking stupid and selfish idea to operate a motor vehicle when he is under the influence of recreational pharmaceuticals, potentially placing the lives of himself and others at risk, yes.

i trust that my bf is intelligent and responsible to not put his,our ,and others peoples live in danger!

ms.peachy

01-13-2006, 10:23 AM

i trust that my bf is intelligent and responsible to not put his,our ,and others peoples live in danger!
If he is driving around while he is high, then that is what he is doing. You can rationalize it away all you like. I find this whole thing very sad. May you never have to face the possible consquences of such behaviour. It's one thing to enjoy getting a buzz on and chilling out with your mates. It's quite another thing to put yourself behind the wheel. Very, very sad to me that as a mother you allow this for your family, that your child's safety is not a higher priority than your boyfriend's good time.

fucktopgirl

01-13-2006, 10:35 AM

If he is driving around while he is high, then that is what he is doing. You can rationalize it away all you like. I find this whole thing very sad. May you never have to face the possible consquences of such behaviour. It's one thing to enjoy getting a buzz on and chilling out with your mates. It's quite another thing to put yourself behind the wheel. Very, very sad to me that as a mother you allow this for your family, that your child's safety is not a higher priority than your boyfriend's good time.

THank for caring,but its all good.MY bf smoke all the time,it is regular state,he did stop smoking while we where travelling and man,he is more dangerous when he does not smoke.He have a brain and is very responsable.During is 15 years of driving,not a single accident!You see my point.

And sorry,but i will never let my daugther be in danger,the fuck you think i am!!You have a false vision,prejudice against people who decide in life to smoke weed!!

Like i said people who like to speed,people who are maniaco-depressifand pop pills,people who are just plain crazy,people talk on their cell while driving.Stupid people who drive!That is fucking dangerous,far more then someone who smoke a joint!

But hey,you got your idea,i got mine!To each their own!

ms.peachy

01-13-2006, 10:38 AM

You know, I think you argue my point even better than I do. There's really nothing else I need to say.

fucktopgirl

01-13-2006, 10:41 AM

haha yea,you'd like to think so,,but i dont believe in your constipate view,,sorry!

2 differents world!!

ASsman

01-13-2006, 12:01 PM

Yah, one real and one pretend.
Guess which one you are in.

Also, if you drive better while under the influence than when you are not... You SHOULDN'T be driving, period.

fucktopgirl

01-13-2006, 12:16 PM

Yah, one real and one pretend.
Guess which one you are in.

Also, if you drive better while under the influence than when you are not... You SHOULDN'T be driving, period.

yea i am real!

my bf drive good with or whitout pot in him!

That said,if you smoke 5 joint and then go on a drive,you might be a bit fucked!Its all about the tolerance to the substance too.A person who just smoke occasionaly might not want to drive,should'nt, but a person who is use to smoking and know his/her limits will be alright!

ASsman

01-13-2006, 12:46 PM

I enjoy playing Russian roulette aswell sometimes.

I think we go back to the old days and abolish the breathalizer and the such, back to when a cop would ask you if you could drive.
" oohh, yuuuh , shoore can"
And let you go if you looked good it just meant you could hold you liquor down and was able to drive perfectly. Especially when we are talking about 2 ton bricks, and tens of a second mean life or death, just make sure you ask him before he gets, that way you know there is no possiblity whatsoever that his reflexes or judgement is impaired in any way. Better safe than sorry :) .

Bob

01-13-2006, 01:14 PM

ASsman

01-13-2006, 01:59 PM

*backs up into cop car and passes out*

Leonie

01-13-2006, 03:02 PM

it's sort of legal here.. but in 1 district of amsterdam it's forbidden to smoke it on the street.. but you may only smoke weed in not public areas and in a coffeshop.. so i dont really get it. maybe i need to read the paper more and better :rolleyes:

talita

01-13-2006, 03:45 PM

i wish i live in amsterdam hahahaha
I think Marijuana shell be legalized, coz hepls in medical treatment of cancer, the fiber of marijuana is completly useful to make clothes and acessories, besides it is less health's harmful than cigarette and offers a good sensation for those who had smoked.

Leonie

01-13-2006, 03:48 PM

yeah.. you cant get addicted..you get addicted to smoking tobacco, not the marijuana :p

Documad

01-13-2006, 05:19 PM

I once heard a nationally recognized (US) medical expert testify about the effects of various drugs on driving skills. Cocaine is the only drug she mentioned as perhaps heightening driving skills (or at least reaction time). She had reasons why pot wasn't a good mix with driving. I understand the argument that pot isn't so bad for you, but I've seen so many people with lifelong pot habits. The very casual users don't seem to be affected, but the heavier users seem to have permanent brain damage, in my personal opinion. It also seems to stunt male sexual performance, but that could just be a convenient excuse for other problems. :)

I've thought about it a lot. I can't support legalization, but I also can't support prison sentences for users and small time dealers.

No one's talked about meth, but it's absolutely killing rural Minnesota. Everytime I go for court on some kind of other case, I watch the court's calendar before me and I talk to cops, and there has never been anything like this. At first I took a little pleasure in people who ran away from big city crime living next to meth labs in the country, but that's before I realized how bad it was going to get. Taking the cold medicines off the shelves of pharmacies cut down on the homemade meth, but now it's just coming in from Mexico. I can't believe that high school girls can see the photos of what happens to users and think they should try it to lose weight.

fucktopgirl

01-13-2006, 05:32 PM

It also seems to stunt male sexual performance, but that could just be a convenient excuse for other problems. :) .

Nop.does not stunt sexual performance! :D

like2_drink

01-13-2006, 06:18 PM

i do not understand why i'm so late to respond.

drug legalization would lead to higher use at the start but then i don't believe it would become an epidemic, i think drug use would rationalize itself and become more recreational. anybody who has an altered mind i think should be put in rehab not prison,

the war on drugs is a failure.

medical pot i really believe would work if you balanced it out maybe with prozak.

certain drugs like crack,heroin and ice should never be legalized, only drugs that don't have addictive components in them. more or less you have to want to be addicted to be addicted.

mikizee

01-20-2006, 04:37 AM

Well, this is interesting, because in having a quick look around, I found the following statement from your Mr. Brokenshire:

I could find no source for your alleged quote however; nor could I find any other single instance of Mr. Brokenshire apparently 'supporting' driving under the influence of marijuana or any other drug. I did however find a few web pages from growers' and users' groups decrying Mr. Brokenshire's "anti-marijuana" policies, apparently because of his efforts to reduce the numer of palnts any individual is legally allowed to grow. So unless you can give a source for that quote, I am going to assume you read something somewhere once that you've interpreted the way you wish to, and are giving us a regurgitated version that is probably not terribly accurate.

my mistake, it wasnt our police minister mr brokenshire, it was our attorney general mr michael atkinson. he made the statements on channel 7 news a few weeks back. i cant find any written quotes of him saying these things but i swear thats what he said!