cam'ron v jay-z

[Gareth]

hows the king of new york rocking sandals with jeans??
heh, i like cam but hov will kill him
this won't last '15 rounds'
boring hook...the whole 'pushing 40' thing is meh
actually the whole thing is pretty ave, he shoulda just adlibed for 5 mins
but lol @ at joe camel

undercard: funkmaster flex v spinbad
http://www.spinemagazine.com/music/january/spinbad/funkflexdiss.mp3
snooze

[pshabi]

hows the king of new york rocking sandals with jeans??
heh, i like cam but hov will kill him
this won't last '15 rounds'
boring hook...the whole 'pushing 40' thing is meh
actually the whole thing is pretty ave, he shoulda just adlibed for 5 mins
but lol @ at joe camel

undercard: funkmaster flex v spinbad
http://www.spinemagazine.com/music/january/spinbad/funkflexdiss.mp3
snooze
I heard the first part of the song in the car this morning.

Nothing new: Jay Z's old, Jay Z steals biggies lines, jay-z's got big lips. He even said fucking "cocafella" for god's sake. It was all old rehashes of the Nas shit, with a couple of "hey"s in there.

He'll get killed and it will be funny.

[roosta]

i cant find anything bout this..did cam dis jay?

[mickill]

i cant find anything bout this..did cam dis jay?
Cam's been taking little shots at him for years now. I'm guessing it started with Jay not wanting to be on Cam's album initially and the whole Dame making Cam VP while Jay was on vacation thing. Yeah, the track is average at best.

[pshabi]

i cant find anything bout this..did cam dis jay?
He put out a diss track. Actually, I think they mentioned a k-slay mixtape......

Anyway, a miami hip hop station played it this morning.

[Kid Presentable]

Wasn't it on Juelz Sultanas' one-album-deal Daf Jam record or some shit? Like he waited so nobody would lose any dough.

I'd bet money on Jay orchestrating beefs nowadays so he can descend from the heavens and turn rappers out. Just for a larf.

[pshabi]

Wasn't it on Juelz Sultanas' one-album-deal Daf Jam record or some shit? Like he waited so nobody would lose any dough.

I'd bet money on Jay orchestrating beefs nowadays so he can descend from the heavens and turn rappers out. Just for a larf.
Link:

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2006/01/camron_disses_j.html

[g-mile7]

Killa Cam....first Nas now Jigga, expect both to kill him not just one

[Monsieur Decuts]

that's actually a terrible track. o man.

Sandles wtf...is that what you turned the beat of for?

Who buys into this shit anymore?

[sXe Boogaloo]

Yeah, I heard this cut this morning too. There has been subliminal beef between these to cats for awhile. I'm interested to hear if Jay will answer back, cuz you know that he's gunna have an album dropping soon.

[The Notorious LOL]

I like how cam is taking jabs at jay-zs fashion sense, yet everytime I ever see camron hes wearing some fuzzy bright purple ensemble like a gangsta teletubby.

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Cam is a cunt....I sincerely hope Jay rips him a new one.

[pshabi]

I like how cam is taking jabs at jay-zs fashion sense, yet everytime I ever see camron hes wearing some fuzzy bright purple ensemble like a gangsta teletubby.
Pink, not purple.

He gets on Jigga for biting Biggie?

"Ahhhh, push it, Cam?" Seriously?

[roosta]

cam dropped the pink look 2 years ago....

[pshabi]

cam dropped the pink look 2 years ago....
Cam dropped off the "People I Give Two Shits About" list right about the time of "boy.......boy........boy..............oh boy."

[mickill]

Don't knock Cam, man. Jay's a beast, but Cam's got some good shit. He didn't happen to bring it to this particular song, but he's got some.

[Kid Presentable]

Haha. This shit is awesome, Jay-Z has blackballed the diss tracks on hot97.

It is like the wwe, as some canadian dude said. And thankfully it's in an upswing at present, albeit a lame one. (y)

[g-mile7]

Don't knock Cam, man. Jay's a beast, but Cam's got some good shit. He didn't happen to bring it to this particular song, but he's got some.


he did have the best verse on "Gone" I think. And "Down&Out" (I think thats the track) produced by 'Ye was a knocker

[mickill]

And "Down&Out" (I think thats the track) produced by 'Ye was a knocker
That was probably one of my top 5 favorite rap singles of last year.

[g-mile7]

That was probably one of my top 5 favorite rap singles of last year.


one of my favorites too (y) and I'm not that big of a Cam fan

[roosta]

interesting from hiphopdx.com...

The Real Reason Cam Dissed Jay-Z
Wednesday - January 25, 2006
Brian Sims

By now we’ve all heard the diss track released by Cam’ron last week focusing in on none other than President Carter himself. From all accounts, the hip hop world was shocked, momentarily stunned into silence.

But not all of us. Some of us saw this coming. There’s a conspiracy theory out there among industry insiders, and it goes like this…

Weeks ago, on the eve of Jay-Z’s highly anticipated I Declare War concert, public speculation was that he planned to “air-out” Cam and the Dip Set collective. We all held our breath, like hyenas waiting for the lion to kill so that we could feast on the remains. But it was not to be, as the self-proclaimed J-Hova of the microphone pulled yet another miracle out of his robe by settling arguably the most celebrated beef in rap history by embracing Nas, an event which jolted and confused the rap universe.

But for the origins of the Cam’s problems with Jay-Z, we need turn the clock all the way back to the early 90s. A young Cam’ron was introduced to Lance “Un” Rivera by none other than The Notorious B.I.G., who was working with Rivera at the time. Cam’s first solo album would come out on Untertainment, which went unter-ground in ’99, the same year that Jay-Z allegedly stabbed Rivera in a nightclub altercation (Jay-Z would later be formally sentenced to three years' probation for the attack).

Hmm…

Cam then moved on to Sony, where he released 2000’s S.D.E only to make headlines for his reported hostility with Tommy Mottola and exit from the label. In 2001 he officially left Sony and joined Roc-A-Fella Records. The Roc, at the time, was still under the control of the Holy Trinity of Hip Hop (J-A-Y, Dash, Hoffa), and was all set to release Jay’s 6th album, The Blueprint, which dropped Sept. 11.

Cam’s subsequent album, 2002’s Come Home With Me (Oh Boy, Hey Ma) was his biggest to date, and was eventually certified platinum. This album paved the way for the introduction of the Dip Set movement, and Cam and crew were living large. Dame Dash (a childhood friend of Cam’ron), even went as far as to propose naming Cam'ron Vice President of Roc-a-fella, but there was internal opposition at the label.

Translation: Jay said no.

Many people credit point to this as the beginning of the Roc-A-Fella break-up. Amid media hype, rumors, and statements issued by both sides, Dame and Jay went their separate ways.

Translation: Dame left and Jay-Z became President Carter.

What does this have to do with Cam?

First, consider the fact that he and Jay have never been buddies. It was widely reported that Cam met with L.A. Reid, then head of Island Def Jam, to put terms in his contract stating that Jay-Z had no control over his projects at Def Jam. According to Cam, this was not because of bad blood between the two, just a lack of a personal relationship.

Fast forward to December 2004, when LA Reid, granted Cam’ron (now the Diplomat Records CEO) a release from his contract, even though he still contractually owed Def Jam three more albums.

Translation: Dame bounced, and took Cam with him.

And that brings us to 2006. Fresh off his peace-keeping mission with Nas, Jay-Z gets blindsided by a vicious rant from Cam’ron, trashing everything from Jay’s age, to his fashion, to Beyonce. The seven-minute track starts out with Cam listing 5 reasons why he’s attacking Jay, which include claims that Jay-Z stole the Roc-A-Fella (Kanye) and Rocawear empires from Dame and that Jay might be responsible for his recent attempted murder.

So, according to Cam’ron, this verbal attack is a reaction to Jay-Z’s: 1) problems with Dame and 2) involvement in Cam’s attempted murder.

Translation: Look, Dame is making me do this shit, I had to come up with something.

The word is that before his exit, Dame worked out some sort of agreement allowing for Cam to also be released from Def Jam. Cam is now simply repaying that favor by dissing Jay at a time when he couldn’t possibly respond. It’s brilliant.

Translation: Damon Dash truly is the ultimate hustler.

After all, if Cam’ron had a major problem with Jay-Z, wouldn’t he have said something about it before now? Why now? Damon Dash, that’s why. Damon Dash has got to be salty from the split. After all, he got robbed. And recall, Jay-Z has said his peace on the matter, most notably on the Diamond’s Are Forever Remix with Kanye West.

The Chain remains, the gang is intact/ The name is mine, I’ll take blame for that…
I’m not a businessman, I’m a business, man/ Let me handle my business, damn.

But Dame doesn’t have a voice. So, if you’re Damon Dash, and you wanted to take a shot at Jay, what would you do?

You’d get Cam’ron, (the only dude arrogant enough to think that he’s got a shot at turning the tables on Jay-Z) to diss him. After all, he’s perfect for the job. For starters, he doesn’t like Jay-Z anymore than you do. And he owes you big. Not to mention the fact that he’s no stranger to controversy with other rappers. Plus, (and here’s the kicker) he’s got an album due out on his new label, Asylum.

As far as the word from Def Jam, an official spokesperson told me "Obviously, Cam'ron has a new album coming soon."

And there you have it. For all of the attention that this diss track has generated, it appears to be nothing more than fallout from the Roc split and publicity for Cam’s upcoming album. Evidence can be seen in the fact that not one single person associated with the Diplomats has publicly commented on the issue (I’ve even heard that there’s been a high-level gag-order placed on Dip affiliates.)

Translation: Don’t let the smooth taste fool you.

So, I’ll ask the obvious question: “Will Jay-Z respond?” A source close to the Roc guaranteed me that he will not. However, Jay-Z is planning a live, on-line chat with registered fans at Rocafella.com, scheduled for February 15th, 2006 (5pm EST).

One has to believe that he’ll have something to say.

[pshabi]

he did have the best verse on "Gone" I think. And "Down&Out" (I think thats the track) produced by 'Ye was a knocker
Yuck.

I quit listening to "Gone" when Cam kicks in. Kills the track, in a bad way.

"Killa Cam, killa who? Killa Cam, blah blah blah"

[roosta]

Consequence kills it on "Gone"..

[mickill]

Jiggaman's response:

"I’m torn. I feel like I would be stupid to even pay that any attention, because it’s such a ploy. … Niggas is holding press conferences behind [the dis record]. The MC in me is like, ‘That’s too easy [to come back at him.]’ That’s not even a good dis record. That shit is trash. I’m torn. We’ll see what happens. Maybe on my time we’ll deal with it, but I’m not really pressed. I’m inspired by good artistic shit. Cam’s shit is not artistic. There’s nothing good about it. Everything about it is an obvious ploy to get attention. Nobody wants to get used. You’re just using me. Of course he had to go that far."

[g-mile7]

Jiggaman's response:

"I’m torn. I feel like I would be stupid to even pay that any attention, because it’s such a ploy. … Niggas is holding press conferences behind [the dis record]. The MC in me is like, ‘That’s too easy [to come back at him.]’ That’s not even a good dis record. That shit is trash. I’m torn. We’ll see what happens. Maybe on my time we’ll deal with it, but I’m not really pressed. I’m inspired by good artistic shit. Cam’s shit is not artistic. There’s nothing good about it. Everything about it is an obvious ploy to get attention. Nobody wants to get used. You’re just using me. Of course he had to go that far."



that should stop anybody from being like "Cam's better then Jay-Z" I'm ashamed that people are even saying that shit, I thought our level of Hip-hop IQ was higher at least to know Cam ain't shit to Jay-Z

[g-mile7]

I'm guessing like September, fall, so we can do it right," Jay said of when he expects Nas' LP to drop. Nas has been recording material for months, but Hov thinks he'll start fresh with his new deal in place. "I didn't hear the stuff he did before, but I'm guessing it'll be a new slate."


Quote:
Jay added that he hopes Nas will connect with some of the best producers in the game, such as Kanye West, DJ Premier, Just Blaze, Dr. Dre, Timbaland and Pharrell Williams, though he hasn't ruled out Nas teaming with some up-and-coming beatmakers. He said his former rival is in such a great headspace, he wouldn't be surprised if Nas made the best album of career.


guess we can pretty much kiss the Primo/Nas collabo bye bye too at least for an entire LP. Forget the neptunes better make good with Pete Rock.

[abcdefz]

You should see The Squid and the Whale. (y)

[roosta]

nas/primo is supposed to be a seperate album to Nasdaq Dow Jones or whatever it is his next album is gonna be called.

[g-mile7]

nas/primo is supposed to be a seperate album to Nasdaq Dow Jones or whatever it is his next album is gonna be called.


well we will see... I'm still waiting on that suppsoed Nas/AZ colabo

[pshabi]

Cam steppin to Jay-Z is like a sparrow trying to rape an elephant.

[g-mile7]

Cam steppin to Jay-Z is like a sparrow trying to rape an elephant.


damn :)

[roosta]

lol!

Cam's new vid (http://www.hiphopgame.com/news.php3?id=1218)

[g-mile7]

lol!

Cam's new vid (http://www.hiphopgame.com/news.php3?id=1218)


holy shit haahaha Good Times!!!Too bad he isn't making a video for Do Your Thing which is a better song then Wet Wipes'

[roosta]

yeah, Wet Wipes is weak. I think its a double video between Wet Wipes and the Jay diss song...

[g-mile7]

yeah, Wet Wipes is weak. I think its a double video between Wet Wipes and the Jay diss song...



(n) on the whole double video concept

[Auton]

still, it's fucking JJ Walker