De La Soul Is Dead

[dave790]

Personally I love it, it's my fave in the De La collection. Anyone else a fan of this record?

I know this is kinda random by the way, but I just played it for the first time in awhile and felt inspired.

I was also interested as to what peoples initial thoughts were who heard it when it was released, as the follow up to 3 Feet High and Rising? I think I would have been surprised, but in a good way.

dave

[Guy Incognito]

Its a good album - Rollerskatin.. is the best tune on it. It was a bit of an anti-climax when it came out - i think it took years for the samples to be cleared after they had loads hassle with 3feet. But listenin to it now - its aged ok.

[mickill]

Bitties In The BK Lounge, Peas Porridge and Oodles of O's are genius. When I first heard the album I was impressed. I was still heavily into 3 Feet at the time too. I think 3 Feet is much more consistent, though. And the skits seemed less intrusive. After Buhloone Mindstate, I didn't care for any of their other albums again until Grind Date.

[Monsieur Decuts]

I didn't care for any of their other albums again until Grind Date.

[Extra Cheese]

I didn't care for any of their other albums again until Grind Date.


grind date????? that shit was wack. stakes is high is that dopeness though.

[Kid Presentable]

Bitties In The BK Lounge, Peas Porridge and Oodles of O's are genius. When I first heard the album I was impressed. I was still heavily into 3 Feet at the time too. I think 3 Feet is much more consistent, though. And the skits seemed less intrusive. After Buhloone Mindstate, I didn't care for any of their other albums again until Grind Date.

I was into three feet too, but I'm the opposite in regards to which one I prefer. I think that De La Soul is Dead is far better than 3 feet, although 3 feet was obviously more ground-breaking, this album broke new ground for the follow-up. The cover art demonstrated what this album meant for the 'Daisy Age'.

Natal Wart and Cocksnot=lol.

My favourite tracks: Oodles of O's, Let Let Me In (Hey Hey Hey!), Hey Luv, Millie Pulled a Pistol on Santa, Who do you Worship?, Pass the Plugs and Keepin the Faith. But I love the whole thing.

When it came out, kids were arguing about it being "DAY la Soul" or "DEEE la Soul". When I was getting into rap music I must have been about 10, my friend's sister had 3 feet and It takes a Nation of Millions on vinyl. It was because of exposure to these that when I heard Ring Ring Ring I knew the new De la shit was not to be missed. It was one of my favourite tapes, and now it's one of my favourite C.D's. It's better than 3 feet.

[Kid Presentable]

grind date????? that shit was wack. stakes is high is that dopeness though.

Grind Date owns most of 2004. And it owns Stakes is High. Come on.

[Ally Al]

grind date????? that shit was wack. stakes is high is that dopeness though.


cept for that sean paul track the grind date was a very strong album

[dave790]

AH yeah i didn't even mention the whole concept thing, I don't think there's any concept albums like that, especially seeing as it was off the back of a very successful first record.

I've always though this, but Millie Pulled A Psitol On Santa has such a great groove, yet it's completely different from anything else on the record.

And I never got into Grind Date, I'll give it another try though.

[Guy Incognito]

This thread has got me thinkin, I kinda stopped takin notice of their albums after DLSID , I got the first two and the best of, I gonna try and DL some stuff today can someone just let me know if this list of albums is right or if I missed any.

3 Feet..
DLSID
Bulhoone Mindstate
Art Official Intelligence?
Grind Date

[Ally Al]

stakes is high and AOI 2 which is fairly grim i think, although there's a track with cee-lo called held down which i love

and if you want hooking up just ask

[saml]

3FH&R
IS DEAD
BUHLOONE
GRIND DATE
AOI#1
STAKES IS HIGH
BIONIX

[scotty]

Personally, I like 3 Feet High and Rising better than De La Soul is Dead. I don't know why really, maybe because it was the first De La Soul record I heard and it really hooked me. So theres the sentimental connection, I guess. They're both seamless pieces of wax, though.

[mickill]

grind date????? that shit was wack. stakes is high is that dopeness though.

Can't stand Stakes Is High. I copped it the day it came out thinking it'd pick up where Buhloone Mindstate left off, but it upset me instead.

1. 3 Feet High (no question)
2. De La Soul Is Dead
3. Buhloone Mindstate
4. The Grind Date

I don't really care for either AOI album still.

[cj hood]

Balloon (sp?) is tops for me...

[dave790]

i know it's a typical against De la argument, but did it ever get to anyone how they were so anti sellout with shit like Afro Connections...and then did songs with an R'n'B feel to them later on?

[Ally Al]

i know it's a typical against De la argument, but did it ever get to anyone how they were so anti sellout with shit like Afro Connections...and then did songs with an R'n'B feel to them later on?

sick of r&b bithces over bullshit raps (c) trugoy

still love them tho

[Guy Incognito]

i know it's a typical against De la argument, but did it ever get to anyone how they were so anti sellout with shit like Afro Connections...and then did songs with an R'n'B feel to them later on?

Thats a fair point and while I'm not that well up on their later stuff - isnt it fair to say that all bands evolve and take in new influences thru their careers. De La still put their own spin on the RnB thing and from what i've heard did it a lot better than most - doesnt mean they've sold out, the beasties dont really do the punk rock thing on albums anymore - they've move on but its never struck me as a commercial decision.

[Extra Cheese]

Thats a fair point and while I'm not that well up on their later stuff - isnt it fair to say that all bands evolve and take in new influences thru their careers. De La still put their own spin on the RnB thing and from what i've heard did it a lot better than most - doesnt mean they've sold out, the beasties dont really do the punk rock thing on albums anymore - they've move on but its never struck me as a commercial decision.

i dont really see any difference between the de la soul "r&b" type songs and the songs that they've criticized. but de la soul isnt mainstream(despite their attempts at it) so all those "real" hip-hoppers give them a pass for their actions.

[Guy Incognito]

i dont really see any difference between the de la soul "r&b" type songs and the songs that they've criticized. but de la soul isnt mainstream(despite their attempts at it) so all those "real" hip-hoppers give them a pass for their actions.


As I said -I'm not up to speed on the most recent stuff I just wanted to make the point that bands evolve. I was thinkin of stuff like that one with Chaka Khan and a couple of others that werent really my thing but i didnt think they were awful but if you guys when thinkin of anythin more recent that is more commercial RnB then fair enough as I've probably not heard it.

[cj hood]

that last joint with the 'shopping' video was piss poor!

[dave790]

Thats a fair point and while I'm not that well up on their later stuff - isnt it fair to say that all bands evolve and take in new influences thru their careers. De La still put their own spin on the RnB thing and from what i've heard did it a lot better than most - doesnt mean they've sold out, the beasties dont really do the punk rock thing on albums anymore - they've move on but its never struck me as a commercial decision.

Yeah that's fair enough too, I don't really have a problem with De La over it, but as someone pointed out whilst quoting Stakes Is High...it just seemed a bit well you're doing that shit now anyway.

[Ally Al]

Yeah that's fair enough too, I don't really have a problem with De La over it, but as someone pointed out whilst quoting Stakes Is High...it just seemed a bit well you're doing that shit now anyway.

i must admit i felt that way, fair enuff artistic growth is one thing but a complete u turn on your principals sucks to a degree. when you've said these things on record someone (like me lol) is always going to throw it back in your face

i was reading an interview with prince paul on another website, apparently he keeps trying to get with them on a new album and they keep giving him the brush off. i don't get it, that would give them a lot of good press i think and a lot of potential mainstream crossover, and i know a crossover ain't nothing but a doublecross but they have to pay the bills right ?

also PP was saying he wants to do an album with doom, now that is something i'd like to see

[Guy Incognito]

i must admit i felt that way, fair enuff artistic growth is one thing but a complete u turn on your principals sucks to a degree. when you've said these things on record someone (like me lol) is always going to throw it back in your face



I just think as acts get older some of the principles and ideas just go out the window. The beasties dont use much of the same subject matter as on LTI, Cypress Hill dont bang on about the weed too much anymore. I see your point, dont get me wrong I just dont think there was much commercial thought in what they've been doin. I just think they've tried to embrace loads of different styles thru their career - some good some not.

Oh yeah - Prince Paul + De La Soul = Lots of people wanting that to happen again (y)

[Ally Al]

I just think as acts get older some of the principles and ideas just go out the window. The beasties dont use much of the same subject matter as on LTI, Cypress Hill dont bang on about the weed too much anymore. I see your point, dont get me wrong I just dont think there was much commercial thought in what they've been doin. I just think they've tried to embrace loads of different styles thru their career - some good some not.

Oh yeah - Prince Paul + De La Soul = Lots of people wanting that to happen again (y)

see i'd disagree with the idea of no commercial thought because of the track they did with sean paul, making a record with mister crossover cameo man was definately a commercial one. i don't have an issue with it because i understand that people need to eat BUT upto album 5 they were still lambasting other artists for doing it so you know, you can't have it both ways. all that said they'll always be one of my favourite hip hop groups of all time

PP also said he'll give it another two years of asking and if they're still fobbing him off it will never happen

[Guy Incognito]

see i'd disagree with the idea of no commercial thought because of the track they did with sean paul, making a record with mister crossover cameo man was definately a commercial one. i don't have an issue with it because i understand that people need to eat BUT upto album 5 they were still lambasting other artists for doing it so you know, you can't have it both ways. all that said they'll always be one of my favourite hip hop groups of all time

PP also said he'll give it another two years of asking and if they're still fobbing him off it will never happen

I suppose Sean Paul is pretty barrel scraping. But yeah I think they've had an impact on most of their fans that they'll be forgiven for the odd dropped bollock.
If i was Prince Paul (I wish!) I'd say bollocks to them if he's havin to nag them about it - I dont think it'll ever work unless evryones 100 percent into it.

[Ally Al]

If i was Prince Paul (I wish!) I'd say bollocks to them if he's havin to nag them about it - I dont think it'll ever work unless evryones 100 percent into it.[/QUOTE]


exactly, i know it was the complete package that blew up in the first place but without paul on the boards i doubt they'd have had the same impact AND their best albums were with Paul. it's like the chewbacca defence, it just don't make sense

[Guy Incognito]

exactly, i know it was the complete package that blew up in the first place but without paul on the boards i doubt they'd have had the same impact AND their best albums were with Paul. it's like the chewbacca defence, it just don't make sense

Ally my brains not working, what do you mean chewbacca defense?

[Ally Al]

Ally my brains not working, what do you mean chewbacca?

LOL, sorry mate it's a south park reference

go and listen to I'll make mincemeat outta the beep mouse, it'll sort your head right out

[Guy Incognito]

LOL, sorry mate it's a south park reference

go and listen to I'll make mincemeat outta the beep mouse, it'll sort your head right out


I had to google that mate - i knew I'd seen that south park - i just couldnt remember exactly. :)

Have got it on now - up to Ego Trippin

[Ally Al]

I had to google that mate - i knew I'd seen that south park - i just couldnt remember exactly. :)

Have got it on now - up to Ego Trippin

good man, now thats classic de la

[Guy Incognito]

Just downloaded that Sean Paul track - I'd only heard it once before. its not great and didnt really need him on it.

[Ally Al]

Just downloaded that Sean Paul track - I'd only heard it once before. its not great and didnt really need him on it.

that was my point he was just the in thing cameo man of the moment, i just always thiought de la were above that sort of thing

[Guy Incognito]

i just always thiought de la were above that sort of thing

Deffo.

[dave790]

speaking of cameo's, what did people think of 'squat'?

i remember thinking 'this isn't how i expected this collab to be' at first, but i like the fatc it surprised me. it was one of the better songs on the album it was off, er..art official vol 1 I think.

[Kid Presentable]

speaking of cameo's, what did people think of 'squat'?

i remember thinking 'this isn't how i expected this collab to be' at first, but i like the fatc it surprised me. it was one of the better songs on the album it was off, er..art official vol 1 I think.

Yeah AOI:1.

I thought it was meh. I liked it, but it wasn't the best song either group had done. Not even close, actually.

[Kid Presentable]

i know it's a typical against De la argument, but did it ever get to anyone how they were so anti sellout with shit like Afro Connections...and then did songs with an R'n'B feel to them later on?

Hatin on R n B was the thing to do in 91. Rap and Bullshit et al. With groups like Colour me Badd and Boyz II Men and even New Kids (more pop, I know) floating around, hip-hop had to represent the hardness.

Naughty by Nature did it, even Kriss Kross had to do it to appear 'legit' (lol).

A dude like D'angelo made R n B not such a corny idea.

[Extra Cheese]

Hatin on R n B was the thing to do in 91. Rap and Bullshit et al. With groups like Colour me Badd and Boyz II Men and even New Kids (more pop, I know) floating around, hip-hop had to represent the hardness.

Naughty by Nature did it, even Kriss Kross had to do it to appear 'legit' (lol).

A dude like D'angelo made R n B not such a corny idea.


R&B never was a corny idea, the hip-hop/R&B thing was the questionable material.

[Kid Presentable]

R&B never was a corny idea, the hip-hop/R&B thing was the questionable material.


You're just looking for an excuse to disagree.

[Guy Incognito]

exactly, i know it was the complete package that blew up in the first place but without paul on the boards i doubt they'd have had the same impact AND their best albums were with Paul. it's like the chewbacca defence, it just don't make sense

Just wondered if anyone knows exactly how much input Mase has - cos it hasnt been the same since not workin with Prince Paul. Was PP more involved with the samples and beats than Mase or was it or collabatory effort. The HBMS stuff is kinda like De La and i just wondered how much of the success of the PP produced stuff was down to him or was it down to better beats and samples that Mase worked out.

[Ally Al]

Just wondered if anyone knows exactly how much input Mase has - cos it hasnt been the same since not workin with Prince Paul. Was PP more involved with the samples and beats than Mase or was it or collabatory effort. The HBMS stuff is kinda like De La and i just wondered how much of the success of the PP produced stuff was down to him or was it down to better beats and samples that Mase worked out.


i don't think back then mase had too much to do with the production. the samples are all from different songs they group grew up with but i think it was still the genius of pauls production that put it all together. Also Paul had already honed his skills with stetsa

[mickill]

Mase is down with G-Unit these days.

[Guy Incognito]

Mase is down with G-Unit these days.

You know who I meant or had you gone fishin?

[Guy Incognito]

You know who I meant or had you gone fishin?

If you had gone fishin then I just got caught. Shit.

[Ally Al]

Mase is down with G-Unit these days.

is it true he's calling himself murda mase again ?

[Guy Incognito]

is it true he's calling himself murda mase again ?

Hey, I know that it its pretty obvious from some of my posts that i know two thirds of bugger all but now I'm really :confused:

[Ally Al]

Hey, I know that it its pretty obvious from some of my posts that i know two thirds of bugger all but now I'm really :confused:

he means mase as in puff daddy's old partner in crime after biggie died, who then found god retired came back still godly joined g-unit and got ungodly. he used to be called murda mase pre puffy days when he was in a crew with cam'ron from dipset, although i can't remember their name

i have a friend who believes that mase is more influential rapper than rakim, because he fathered that mumbling nasally rhyming style that fiddy and them have taken on board

[Guy Incognito]

i have a friend who believes that mase is more influential rapper than rakim, because he fathered that mumbling nasally rhyming style that fiddy and them have taken on board

Dude, I'm not massively up on Diddy and his crew but none of that lot (except maybe biggie) can claim to be that influential. Let alone as influential as Rakim, Jesus

[Guy Incognito]

Dude, I'm not massively up on Fiddy and his crew but none of that lot can claim to be influential. Let alone as influential as Rakim, Jesus

[mickill]

Yeah, the other Mase is going back to "Murda". Mase ain't no Rakim, but the guy isn't a slouch either. Most people think he was always flimsy. He's got some sharp lines. His recent mixtape shit has been decent.

[Guy Incognito]

Ignore my last two posts I was talkin bollocks (not for the first time!)

[Ally Al]

Yeah, the other Mase is going back to "Murda". Mase ain't no Rakim, but the guy isn't a slouch either. Most people think he was always flimsy. He's got some sharp lines. His recent mixtape shit has been decent.

i've never dug his style so never really gave him a chance to be honest, although i did really like the beat to that track he did with total

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

De La Soul Is Dead is a better album than 3 Feet because Dead takes the 3 Feet sound and polishes it up a bit, while also expanding on it. It's similar to A Tribe Called Quest's first two albums....People's Instinctive Travels And The Paths Of Rhythm was a great album....but it just kind of paved the way for the brilliance that was their second album, The Low End Theory.

[Kid Presentable]

De La Soul Is Dead is a better album than 3 Feet because Dead takes the 3 Feet sound and polishes it up a bit, while also expanding on it. It's similar to A Tribe Called Quest's first two albums....People's Instinctive Travels And The Paths Of Rhythm was a great album....but it just kind of paved the way for the brilliance that was their second album, The Low End Theory.

Not only that, but Dead kills the Daisy Age.

[Guy Incognito]

Not sure anyones gonna agree with me - but I've been thinkin about the whole De La going RnB thing - Does anyone else think that its another example of an influential hip hop artist not being happy with the kudos of being an inspiration and actually wanting some dollar. I mean 3 feet is a classic but they had to pay out a fortune and maybe they just thought it was time they got paid. I'm not defendin the RnB/Sean Paul thing but am just tryin to get my head round why they would do that. Its not as bad as Reverend Run appearin on Liberty X records or Chuck D on dodgy hardcore house act Public Domain videos but its a step down all the same and they all seem to be cash motivated.

[Ally Al]

Not sure anyones gonna agree with me - but I've been thinkin about the whole De La going RnB thing - Does anyone else think that its another example of an influential hip hop artist not being happy with the kudos of being an inspiration and actually wanting some dollar. I mean 3 feet is a classic but they had to pay out a fortune and maybe they just thought it was time they got paid. I'm not defendin the RnB/Sean Paul thing but am just tryin to get my head round why they would do that. Its not as bad as Reverend Run appearin on Liberty X records or Chuck D on dodgy hardcore house act Public Domain videos but its a step down all the same and they all seem to be cash motivated.

all about the dollar my friend without a doubt, and i understand someone wanting to make money, we've all got bills to pay BUT i don't think it was the route de la had to take. They had a choice and in trying to garner new fans prolly lost a lot of old ones

see the chuck d thing i didn't really have a problem with, i didn't like the song of course but these dudes must've been fans of chucks (wasn't griff in that video too?) and there could've been some domain fans thinking who's this dude? ah chuck d, public enemy i'm going to check out their cd, and more people in the world buying classic PE stuff can only be a good thing in my book

[Prez Ike]

Personally, it's my favorite De La record.

[Prez Ike]

all about the dollar my friend without a doubt, and i understand someone wanting to make money, we've all got bills to pay BUT i don't think it was the route de la had to take. They had a choice and in trying to garner new fans prolly lost a lot of old ones

see the chuck d thing i didn't really have a problem with, i didn't like the song of course but these dudes must've been fans of chucks (wasn't griff in that video too?) and there could've been some domain fans thinking who's this dude? ah chuck d, public enemy i'm going to check out their cd, and more people in the world buying classic PE stuff can only be a good thing in my book

Chuck is all about pushing the envelope. Talk to him about why he did a song with Vanilla Ice & P Diddy as well, and he'll give you the same argument about stepping "out of the box." He's not getting huge amounts of fame from doing these songs and they turn off much of PE's fan base, but I've always understood (after speaking with him about it) that Chuck does not like to follow "the rules" and likes to make people think.

As for PE's new record 'New Whirl Odor' it's dope, but I'm biased, of course, as someone who did some scratches on a few songs. :)

It's a very strong record though, seriously, with some hella-dope cuts. I can't say I love every song, but overall it's very good. The last cut, that I did scratches for ('Black Superman's Black in the Building') produced by my man C-Doc (who just came back from Paris, France after shooting a new video with Chuck for Kyle Jason's new single) is INCREDIBLE. It's something like 12 minutes long and a dope beat for Chuck to kick it to. Personally, I felt very privelaged to have been able to be a part of that song.

[Guy Incognito]

Chuck is all about pushing the envelope. Talk to him about why he did a song with Vanilla Ice & P Diddy as well, and he'll give you the same argument about stepping "out of the box." He's not getting huge amounts of fame from doing these songs and they turn off much of PE's fan base, but I've always understood (after speaking with him about it) that Chuck does not like to follow "the rules" and likes to make people think.



But Chuck has always seen himself as some sort of politician and I think thats an answere to deflect from the benjamins issue. Its not fame why he did those records.

[Prez Ike]

True, he certainly received money for it which is clearly a motivating factor. However knowing his reputation and fanbase, was it a wise or a risky decision to do those songs?

If you look at his track record, like now, Chuck is constantly trying to innovate and try new things. Is part of it motivated by his assessment of the market for himself, PE and where he can sell material to make money? Of course, but there's nothing necessarily wrong with making money, and the reality is that our choices about how and where and when we make it are not always black and white decisions. It's easy to criticize as an outsider, but when we put ourselves in others shoes, we find that things are not always that simple.

Chuck constantly criticizes the industry with convincing arguments that are meant to help the artists who are left out by the major labels. He is a politician in the sense that he has been willing to meet with "the powers that be" and try to work with them when needs be, but will criticize them, publicly, just as often.

He'll work with a Puffy, and then openly criticize him, or meet 50 Cent and talk positively about aspects of his career, and then criticize parts about what he is representing, for young black folk in particular. That's how Chuck is. I think he sees it in his interests, both financially and for more idealistic gains for causes and issues he cares about, to play politician at times. But while politicians may know how to play the game, if they are good hearted, in the end of the day they are trying to to good, and it's hard to blame anyone for that.

[Guy Incognito]

True, he certainly received money for it which is clearly a motivating factor. However knowing his reputation and fanbase, was it a wise or a risky decision to do those songs?

If you look at his track record, like now, Chuck is constantly trying to innovate and try new things. Is part of it motivated by his assessment of the market for himself, PE and where he can sell material to make money? Of course, but there's nothing necessarily wrong with making money, and the reality is that our choices about how and where and when we make it are not always black and white decisions. It's easy to criticize as an outsider, but when we put ourselves in others shoes, we find that things are not always that simple.

Chuck constantly criticizes the industry with convincing arguments that are meant to help the artists who are left out by the major labels. He is a politician in the sense that he has been willing to meet with "the powers that be" and try to work with them when needs be, but will criticize them, publicly, just as often.

He'll work with a Puffy, and then openly criticize him, or meet 50 Cent and talk positively about aspects of his career, and then criticize parts about what he is representing, for young black folk in particular. That's how Chuck is. I think he sees it in his interests, both financially and for more idealistic gains for causes and issues he cares about, to play politician at times. But while politicians may know how to play the game, if they are good hearted, in the end of the day they are trying to to good, and it's hard to blame anyone for that.


Well put mate - I just cant help thinkin its a bit sad when people do stuff for the money but like you said - he's still puttin his own stuff out and getting his point accross but doing stuff like what we talked about takes the shine off any good he's doing and I take stuff he says with a bit more salt than i used to.

[Ally Al]

[QUOTE=Prez Ike]Chuck is all about pushing the envelope. Talk to him about why he did a song with Vanilla Ice & P Diddy as well, and he'll give you the same argument about stepping "out of the box." He's not getting huge amounts of fame from doing these songs and they turn off much of PE's fan base, but I've always understood (after speaking with him about it) that Chuck does not like to follow "the rules" and likes to make people think.

congratualtions on working with PE (y)

Lets not forget pre ice ice baby, vanilla used to tour with PE so he must've had some pretty hardcore credentials at some point. VI gets so much shit but if you sit down and think about it what 19 year old would've turned down the deal he was offered, they threw millions of dollars at him. I mean some of us here are b-boys standing in our b-boys stances, givin Ice the gas face, screaming sell out but who had the last laugh ? us in our mostly mundane jobs, trying just to get by or ice and his millions of dollars living the life of luxury and from what i've seen content with his family working when he wants to. i know which one i'd choose if i had the choice. the credible path isn't always the right one to go, artistic satisfaction maybe, laughing all the way to the bank prolly not, at least in the hip hop world anyways


go and ask OC if he'd still rather be broke and have a whole lot of respect

[Guy Incognito]

[QUOTE=Prez Ike]
Lets not forget pre ice ice baby, vanilla used to tour with PE so he must've had some pretty hardcore credentials at some point. VI gets so much shit but if you sit down and think about it what 19 year old would've turned down the deal he was offered, they threw millions of dollars at him. I mean some of us here are b-boys standing in our b-boys stances, givin Ice the gas face, screaming sell out but who had the last laugh ? us in our mostly mundane jobs, trying just to get by or ice and his millions of dollars living the life of luxury and from what i've seen content with his family working when he wants to. i know which one i'd choose if i had the choice. the credible path isn't always the right one to go, artistic satisfaction maybe, laughing all the way to the bank prolly not, at least in the hip hop world anyways


go and ask OC if he'd still rather be broke and have a whole lot of respect

Fair do's that - I s'pose the beasties are the exception to the rule on all of this as they sold shitloads of records first and somehow managed to gain credibility afterwards and then combined the two. I can only think of them who have managed to get the balance right for so long

[Ally Al]

Fair do's that - I s'pose the beasties are the exception to the rule on all of this as they sold shitloads of records first and somehow managed to gain credibility afterwards and then combined the two. I can only think of them who have managed to get the balance right for so long


thing is tho, the beasties had instant credibility because of def jam and their run dmc connections, i agree they've defo maintained that tho. Although i also remember there was a time when it wasn't so cool to like the beasties. After IC it became VERY trendy to be into the b-boys, well here in the UK at least, there was no sign of the trendy types in 87 when we we nailing VW badges

the b-boys are lucky in the respect that their fan base is spread far and wide, all different type of peeps listen to them, from straight up hip hop peoples to them funny little indie kids and hipster types and they prolly have a rock audience too. So they can maintain the eclectic mix of music they make without ever comprimising themselves, not many bands, certainly in hip hop are that lucky

[dave790]

thing is tho, the beasties had instant credibility because of def jam and their run dmc connections, i agree they've defo maintained that tho. Although i also remember there was a time when it wasn't so cool to like the beasties. After IC it became VERY trendy to be into the b-boys, well here in the UK at least, there was no sign of the trendy types in 87 when we we nailing VW badges

the b-boys are lucky in the respect that their fan base is spread far and wide, all different type of peeps listen to them, from straight up hip hop peoples to them funny little indie kids and hipster types and they prolly have a rock audience too. So they can maintain the eclectic mix of music they make without ever comprimising themselves, not many bands, certainly in hip hop are that lucky

I like what you said and how you've put it. But I think over time, it's the fact they've stayed true to just loving music and making it and doing their own thing that's earnt them credibility from a lot of people.

And certainly the Def jam/Run DMC connections helped, but they still went out in front of predominantly black crowds in the very early days and were the ones actually out there gaining credibility. So fair play to 'em in every respect (y)

[Ally Al]

I like what you said and how you've put it. But I think over time, it's the fact they've stayed true to just loving music and making it and doing their own thing that's earnt them credibility from a lot of people.

And certainly the Def jam/Run DMC connections helped, but they still went out in front of predominantly black crowds in the very early days and were the ones actually out there gaining credibility. So fair play to 'em in every respect (y)

totally totally cosign all of this, their growth over the years can't be touched by many bands i think, certainly in the last 20 years