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B4BY 4NN
02-09-2006, 04:50 PM
John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) has hit out at Green Day calling them "plonk" and accusing them of stealing the term 'punk'.
The former Sex Pistols front man says the US trio are a watered down version of the true punk ethos according to contactmusic.
He said: "Don't try and tell me Green Day are punk. They're not, they're plonk and they're bandwagoning on something they didn't come up with themselves. I think they are phony."
He added on the subject of the Sex Pistols battle with the establishment: "The government's against you, the police are on you. So there we are fending off all that and it pisses me off that years later a wank outfit like Green Day hop in and nick all that and attach it to themselves.”
"They didn't earn their wings to do that and if they were true punk they wouldn't look anything like they do."
Videodrome
02-09-2006, 05:50 PM
lol @ him calling them a "wank outfit"
beastie fresh
02-09-2006, 06:11 PM
Woohoo, fuck Green Day, they are such shit
Extra Cheese
02-09-2006, 06:18 PM
green day rules x 2
DroppinScience
02-09-2006, 07:16 PM
The Pistols had some questionable punk credentials, too. Really, who hasn't?
While Green Day is definitely overrated, they don't seem deserving of the scorn that gets heaped on them. Leave that to Good Charlotte.
BroomHead
02-09-2006, 07:24 PM
While Green Day is definitely overrated, they don't seem deserving of the scorn that gets heaped on them.
No, they do.
beastiegirl18
02-09-2006, 08:01 PM
green gay is exactly right, they suck (n)
Kid Presentable
02-09-2006, 08:48 PM
John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) has hit out at Green Day calling them "plonk" and accusing them of stealing the term 'punk'.
The former Sex Pistols front man says the US trio are a watered down version of the true punk ethos according to contactmusic.
He said: "Don't try and tell me Green Day are punk. They're not, they're plonk and they're bandwagoning on something they didn't come up with themselves. I think they are phony."
He added on the subject of the Sex Pistols battle with the establishment: "The government's against you, the police are on you. So there we are fending off all that and it pisses me off that years later a wank outfit like Green Day hop in and nick all that and attach it to themselves.”
"They didn't earn their wings to do that and if they were true punk they wouldn't look anything like they do."
Ahem. Fuck John Lydon. He's like Kelly Osbourne. He calls out other people on how shitty they are, yet has nothing new or exciting to offer of his own.
SobaViolence
02-09-2006, 09:30 PM
i agree with Rotten, but i think he's a fucking twat.
so, that makes me neutral
at the end of the day, i have the freedom to turn green day off and never purchase/listen to their 'music'
B4BY 4NN
02-09-2006, 10:55 PM
You're just not looking. He's been bringing out innovative stuff for the past few decades now.
True or False
Rotten wants Justin Timberlake to star as him in a movie about the Pistols.
cosmo105
02-09-2006, 10:59 PM
true :(
hitmonlee
02-09-2006, 11:07 PM
oh who really gives a shit what green day label their music as
i like it, i dont care what the name of the frickin genre is
Documad
02-09-2006, 11:16 PM
Ahem. Fuck John Lydon. He's like Kelly Osbourne. He calls out other people on how shitty they are, yet has nothing new or exciting to offer of his own.
(y)
And as DS pointed out, the Sex Pistols had a questionable origin. I think they were a lot like The Monkees--except they were calculated to shock rather than charm.
B4BY 4NN
02-09-2006, 11:23 PM
I'll admit; I own American Idiot and thoroughly ENJOY it. But, I am very much embarrassed admitting this to the public (offline).
Dunno.. Twelvies sporting the American Idiot album art across their chests irks me. What's worse are the American Idiot wrist bands I spotted today in Spencer's. Sell out much?
As for the Sex Pistols, YES, they had a questionable origin. I was one to thrash upon them years back, until getting into The Clash (heh, heh). Now I sort of dig their stuff. It's vintage. :rolleyes:
DroppinScience
02-09-2006, 11:39 PM
Oh yeah and Joe Strummer was the son of a diplomat, as well.
Yep, punk rock has ALWAYS been about the working class. ;)
yeahwho
02-09-2006, 11:59 PM
As far as music goes I like the Sex Pistols a trillion billion times more than Green Day.
But really now, isn't it a bit trite to harp on them, I say compliment Green Day on their commercial success. They have a swell business going.
Kid Presentable
02-10-2006, 12:12 AM
You're just not looking. He's been bringing out innovative stuff for the past few decades now.
And you're looking too hard. If you own a Johnny Rotten T-shirt, then you'll never see what the rest of us see: a self-imporatnt, talentless little old twat.
Kid Presentable
02-10-2006, 12:14 AM
It's vintage. :rolleyes:
It's old, and patchy. Never Mind the Bollocks is all over a number of T-shirts too.
And you're looking too hard. If you own a Johnny Rotten T-shirt, then you'll never see what the rest of us see: a self-imporatnt, talentless little old twat.
I dunno. PiL had two or three good albums, but then they degenerated into the bad 80's dance scene and became faceless. And the Pistols had maybe one good song and a bunch of shock value and designer clothes. so, you could say Green Day are more punk than the pistols, because they actually formed their own band and foraged a career based on substance over image. but actually typing the words "y is more punk than x" makes my fingers hurt.
You're just not looking. He's been bringing out innovative stuff for the past few decades now.
what has he put out since 1983 that's been good? and what has he put out at all since the mid-90s?
Kid Presentable
02-10-2006, 12:19 AM
I dunno. PiL had two or three good albums, but then they degenerated into the bad 80's dance scene and became faceless. And the Pistols had maybe one good song and a bunch of shock value and designer clothes. so, you could say Green Day are more punk than the pistols, because they actually formed their own band and foraged a career based on substance over image. but actually typing the words "y is more punk than x" makes my fingers hurt.
Fully, but in the context of the alphabet, clearly x is actually more punk than y.
Fully, but in the context of the alphabet, clearly x is actually more punk than y.
fuck both of those. z is more punk than x.
Kid Presentable
02-10-2006, 12:33 AM
fuck both of those. z is more punk than x.
Z is emo. For realz. See?
Z is emo. For realz. See?
fzuk.
hitmonlee
02-10-2006, 01:25 AM
what has he put out since 1983 that's been good? and what has he put out at all since the mid-90s?
since 1983
leftfield - open up
BURN HOLLYWOOD BURN
Documad
02-10-2006, 01:38 AM
Man, I loved Sid and Nancy. :)
I tend to think of Rotten more as the actor from that movie than as the reality TV guy he is today. By the way, I loved when Rotten was a defendant on Judge Judy. :p
[QUOTE=Norcen]They didn't really fall into the dance scene. It's far from dance. QUOTE]
"disapointed" is 80's dance in a bad, bad way.
I agree with you on the "unappreciated in their time" sentament. One of my favorite albums is The Cure's "Seventeen Seconds", and that albums was almost universially panned as being inpenatrable and unfeeling. the first three PiL albums are amazing, but I don't attribute that exclusively to Lydon, nor anything he's done do I attribute solely to him, as he seems to do often.
And you're looking too hard. If you own a Johnny Rotten T-shirt, then you'll never see what the rest of us see: a self-imporatnt, talentless little old twat.
at first i thought this said "taintless" instead of "talentless"
oh, well
Really? I always find him giving equal credit to bandmates for whatever song and whatever album. He got it so the other Pistols got their share in profits, which would never of happened if he hadn't brought McLaren to court.
I find that he repeadedly puts down Wobble in the press, and says that the Public Image limited albums were mostly, if not all, his creation. I've only once heard him give anyone any credit, and it was almost forced from him.
alexandra
02-10-2006, 09:28 AM
Billie Joe Armstrong has a cool voice.
Trimm Trabb
02-10-2006, 10:14 AM
Billie Joe Armstrong has a cool voice.
His voice is what puts me off greenday!
alexandra
02-10-2006, 10:23 AM
and i'd say the opposite.
Mr_Complex
02-10-2006, 10:45 AM
Lydon is one big walking contradiction.
hahahaha
Kid Presentable
02-10-2006, 10:47 AM
Lydon is one big walking contradiction.
hahahaha
Seriously. He's pathetic. If he wants to be critiqued personally in the way he sees fit for those he scorns, so be it.
Mr_Complex
02-10-2006, 11:35 AM
Lydon is a twat. The Sex Pistols were the equivalent to what Green Day are today.
The walking contradiction comment was to tie-in with the Green Dayness as they have a song called Walking Contradiction which is pretty tight.
SobaViolence
02-10-2006, 11:43 AM
Oh yeah and Joe Strummer was the son of a diplomat, as well.
Yep, punk rock has ALWAYS been about the working class. ;)
i dated the daughter of a diplomat, and it isn't as sweet a deal as you think. at least, not for the family.
Mr_Complex
02-10-2006, 11:59 AM
Anyway, punk died with Refused.
Everyone knows punk was from the middle classes. University students trying to rebel against their backgrounds. The same went for hippies.
It was the mods and the teddies that were from the working classes. They were trying to look good rather than tatty.
Trimm Trabb
02-10-2006, 12:00 PM
Rottern says what he wants and doesn't give a fuck what people think of him. Isn't that the deffinition of being punk? :confused:
213.78.199.214.
Kid Presentable
02-10-2006, 12:18 PM
Rottern says what he wants and doesn't give a fuck what people think of him. Isn't that the deffinition of being punk? :confused:
No. In lydon's mind the definition of Punk begins and ends with the Pistols. That's not as punk as the letter x.
EN[i]GMA
02-10-2006, 02:40 PM
No. In lydon's mind the definition of Punk begins and ends with the Pistols. That's not as punk as the letter x.
But is it more punk than the band X?
I doubt it.
Los Angeles rocked pretty fucking hard.
dave790
02-10-2006, 04:13 PM
Fuck it Insomniac is a better album than Nevermind...anyway!
DroppinScience
02-10-2006, 05:35 PM
I dunno. PiL had two or three good albums, but then they degenerated into the bad 80's dance scene and became faceless. And the Pistols had maybe one good song and a bunch of shock value and designer clothes. so, you could say Green Day are more punk than the pistols, because they actually formed their own band and foraged a career based on substance over image. but actually typing the words "y is more punk than x" makes my fingers hurt.
I think it's fitting to quote Jawbreaker's "Boxcar" here:
You're not punk,
and I'm telling everyone.
Save your breath,
I never was one.
You don't know what I'm all about.
Like killing cops and reading Kerouac.
My enemies are all too familiar.
They're the ones who used to call me friend.
I'm coloring outside your guidelines.
I was passing out when you were passing out your rules.
One, two, three, four.
Who's punk? What's the score?
Got a friend.
Her name is Boxcar.
Cigarettes and beer in El Sob.
Her hair was blue,
Now it's green.
I like her mind.
She hates the scene.
You're on your own.
You're all alone.
yeahwho
02-10-2006, 10:48 PM
GMA']But is it more punk than the band X?
I doubt it.
Los Angeles rocked pretty fucking hard.
I concur. X is fabulous! Los Angeles is amazing, another slash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_Records) masterpiece. Then it was off to Electra for Wild Gift and Under the Big Black Sun.
Better than Greed Day. All the way. Much, much better.
DroppinScience
02-10-2006, 11:36 PM
I concur. X is fabulous! Los Angeles is amazing, another slash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_Records) masterpiece. Then it was off to Electra for Wild Gift and Under the Big Black Sun.
Better than Greed Day. All the way. Much, much better.
Not to mention, John Doe is a pretty good actor to boot! (y)
Documad
02-10-2006, 11:42 PM
What's with their new band? They were playing at a club here for super cheap and I thought about going but forgot.
B4BY 4NN
02-11-2006, 12:57 AM
I like X. :(
Bobtwi
02-11-2006, 01:22 AM
I dont hate Greenday.I actually dig some of their shit.Maybe it's me but they come across as some stuck up fucking dicks.It's like they think they're the fuckin Rolling Stones or something.I dont know maybe I'm buggin.I feel like punching Billy Joe or what ever that mascarera wearing mother fuckin dudes name is in the face.
Freebasser
02-11-2006, 01:26 AM
95% of Green Day's songs sound the same.
Kid Presentable
02-11-2006, 02:26 AM
95% of Green Day's songs sound the same.
Are you lying?
nodoubtTIF
02-11-2006, 04:15 AM
"Green Gay"
Hmmm... I think I prefer Greed Day.
abcdefz
02-14-2006, 02:29 PM
John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) has hit out at Green Day calling them "plonk" and accusing them of stealing the term 'punk'.
The former Sex Pistols front man says the US trio are a watered down version of the true punk ethos according to contactmusic.
He said: "Don't try and tell me Green Day are punk. They're not, they're plonk and they're bandwagoning on something they didn't come up with themselves. I think they are phony."
He added on the subject of the Sex Pistols battle with the establishment: "The government's against you, the police are on you. So there we are fending off all that and it pisses me off that years later a wank outfit like Green Day hop in and nick all that and attach it to themselves.”
"They didn't earn their wings to do that and if they were true punk they wouldn't look anything like they do."
I'm not all up on Green Day, but, man does Lydon just needs to shut the fuck up. What's he do all day -- sit around and call up media asking if they'd like to quote him trashing someone? Who elected him Final Arbiter?
DroppinScience
02-14-2006, 02:53 PM
I'm not all up on Green Day, but, man does Lydon just needs to shut the fuck up. What's he do all day -- sit around and call up media asking if they'd like to quote him trashing someone? Who elected him Final Arbiter?
It's true. Whether he's right or wrong about any given opinion, I'm not all that interested in hearing who he hates, especially since it's apparently everyone in the world (Steve Albini is similar that way, but he seems to be more entertaining about that). When it comes to bands I like, I much prefer hearing about something they admire, if they're inclined to spout off opinions endlessly.
Planetary
02-15-2006, 05:54 AM
i agree with Rotten, but i think he's a fucking twat
i don't think he's a twat, but i'm sure i'd think so if i met him. he's so critical, it'd just get annoying.
butgreen day do suck balls. and john lydon did really well to make hits with PIL considering who his first band was. i'm not aware ofany recent work he's done either.
yeahwho
02-15-2006, 06:36 AM
I just scanned thru the Grammy's I recorded the other night and I saw that Green Day won a Grammy for "Record of the Year" for 'Boulevard Of Broken Dreams' which seemed semi-reasonable considering the competition in the category.
But as far as "Punk", Bruce Springsteen's Devils and Dust performance was more "Punk" than any of their schtick, plus he added a nice holla of "Bring 'em Home" after his song. He took advantage of his moment.
While Green Days handlers yelled "Green Day Rules" when they accepted the Record of the Year award.
I don't know about Johnny Rotten, but I know about me....I give plenty of bands a tip of my hat....something about Green Day just bugs the shit out of me. Can't stand 'em.
Kid Presentable
02-15-2006, 10:58 AM
When he does interviews (especially recently to promote Mega Bugs, his Best of John Lydon CD and DVD collection, and upcoming album), people ask for his opinion on bands like Green Day, Rancid and all those other "punk" bands. It's normal. He just tells his opinion. It's not like he hires people to give interviews so he can go and bash these bands. It's just a number of small questions that come up.
He does quite a lot now. Just turning 50, he guest stars on a radio station in California (where he lives), working and finishing up his new solo album, toying with the idea of a Sex Pistols final reunion in Japan, writing a new book (this time focusing on his PiL years), doing tv shows (a recent one for Berlin TV about Britain...it was a short series with some other guy as co-host), helping out charities, getting a number of awards lately, and so much more. It's not like he sits around doing nothing. He's quite an active person.
For his "rotten" attitude...blame the nuns at a Catholic school.
He was in a skate video called 'Sorry'. He did the intros for each of the skaters, and guess what? He put them down. It's just a routine for him to cash in on.
How punk rock is that?
Kid Presentable
02-15-2006, 07:09 PM
Probably got good reason to put them down.
Yeah, the money.
Kid Presentable
02-16-2006, 08:14 AM
No, they probably deserved to be put down. Most skaters do.
This is too circuitous for me. I think Lydon is a talent-free zone, you idolise him. I'll leave it at that. (y)
Bourgie
02-18-2006, 11:51 PM
My opinion: I really don't like Green Day.
Bobtwi
02-19-2006, 12:54 AM
They're the biggest American Idiots I've seen in a while.Is it me or do they try to hard to be cool?
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