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Ali
02-13-2006, 11:00 AM
The political leader of Palestinian militant group Hamas has said it is willing to take a serious step towards peace if Israel does the same.
Khaled Meshaal told the BBC that Hamas would not renounce violence, saying resisting an occupation was legal.

But he said a long-term truce would be possible if Israel accepted conditions including a return to its 1967 borders.

Israel's acting PM said if he won next month's poll, Israel would retain West Bank settlement blocs and Jerusalem.

However, Ehud Olmert said Israel would be prepared to give up parts of the West Bank where most Palestinians were living. However, Israel believes offers like the latest by Mr Meshaal are a ruse to allow Hamas to gather its strength, since its charter calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, our correspondent says.

Speaking on Channel 2 TV, Mr Olmert said Israel would retain "united Jerusalem", which would include occupied East Jerusalem, if his Kadima party won Israel's general election on 28 March.

But he said Israel would disengage from parts of the West Bank where the population is mostly Palestinian, at the same time as retaining its three main settlement blocs.

Israel has occupied East Jerusalem since 1967. It annexed the area in 1981 and sees it as its exclusive domain.

Under international law the area is considered to be occupied territory.

East Jerusalem is often called Arab East Jerusalem because the majority of its residents are Palestinian, and Palestinians hope to establish their future capital there.Same old story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4692114.stm).

Let's hope both sides compromise and that nobody on either side does anything STUPID!

But you can be sure that there will always be a couple of extremist assholes on both sides who will not accept a compromise. It just takes one person to do something stupid and the whole process will be derailed.

Who do you think will be first to fuck it up?

Ali
02-13-2006, 11:33 AM
Ah, should have added a third option:

3. The international community!

If leaders on either side back down it would be political suicide. The conflict cannot be resolved locally.

Under international law The West Bank and East Jerusalem are occupied territories and under international law the Palestinians are entitled to resist their occupiers. This legally makes Hamas a party of freedom fighters and not terrorists.

It is up to the international community including the US to face up to it's long responsibility and force both sides to accept the legal borders defined in 1967. BBC Comments (http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=1022&start=15&tstart=0&edition=2&ttl=20060213170240&#paginator)

Ali
02-13-2006, 07:07 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_4709000/4709834.stm?

Kadima are going to hang on to East Jerusalem, even though they'll give up parts of the West Bank.

Jerusalem is key. If they can't share it, they'll fight for it, forever.

sam i am
02-15-2006, 06:16 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_4709000/4709834.stm?

Kadima are going to hang on to East Jerusalem, even though they'll give up parts of the West Bank.

Jerusalem is key. If they can't share it, they'll fight for it, forever.


Jerusalem IS key, no doubt about it. The first Israeli PM to give up even one iota of Jerusalem will go down in history as the greatest traitor to his people ever. Probably the same story with the Palestinian leader.

Will it ever end?

Ali
02-16-2006, 06:05 AM
Jerusalem IS key, no doubt about it. The first Israeli PM to give up even one iota of Jerusalem will go down in history as the greatest traitor to his people ever. Probably the same story with the Palestinian leader.

Will it ever end?They will never sort it out amongst themselves. It needs a third party to step in and mediate.

UN?

Lihi
02-16-2006, 03:59 PM
They will never sort it out amongst themselves. It needs a third party to step in and mediate.

UN?

Putin. :p

sam i am
02-17-2006, 12:00 PM
They will never sort it out amongst themselves. It needs a third party to step in and mediate.

UN?

The biggest hurdle that UN has to leap, in my opinion, is it's complete adherence to anti-Israel bias.

I'll give th ePalestinians this : they have been wonderful at the PR game over the years, portraying themselves as a down and out people without the ability to givern themselves due to those "nasty" Israelis.

Well, it seems to me that Israel has said : "put up or shut up." By unilaterally withdrawing from the vast majority of the lands the Palestinians claim, they have discarded the burden of caring for the Palestinianas while simultaneously being attacked by them and incurring the wrath of the vast majority of the world.

Now....let's see what the Palestinians DO with their new-found freedom : Hamas anyone?

Ali
02-20-2006, 03:51 PM
they have discarded the burden of caring for the Palestinianas while simultaneously being attacked by them and incurring the wrath of the vast majority of the world.'caring'

In what sense do you use this word?

sam i am
02-20-2006, 03:59 PM
'caring'

In what sense do you use this word?

I use it in the sense that the Palestinians, by and large, have proven themelves incapable of self-governance : corrupt police forces, inability to start and maintain businesses that are economically viable, substandard housing, reliance on Israel and the international community for basic living standards (i.e., food, water, housing, clothing, etc.), etc., et al.

I could go on and on about the inadequacies that the Palestinian leadership, over the years, has shown in the ability to sustain and maintain not only a state, but also a viable economy for the sustenance of the people.

Ali
02-20-2006, 05:32 PM
... the inadequacies that the Palestinian leadership, over the years, has shown in the ability to sustain and maintain not only a state, but also a viable economy for the sustenance of the people.Especially with such a 'caring' neighbour
:rolleyes:

sam i am
02-20-2006, 06:57 PM
Especially with such a 'caring' neighbour
:rolleyes:

If that's the only comeback you have, instead of addressing the endemic problems with the Palestinian leadership over the years as I did, then I guess we all know where you stand as far as being unbiased on this issue.

Ali
02-21-2006, 02:15 AM
If that's the only comeback you have, instead of addressing the endemic problems with the Palestinian leadership over the years as I did, then I guess we all know where you stand as far as being unbiased on this issue.
About as unbiased as you.

FYI I am not anti Israeli by any strech, I believe that Israel has the right to exist and I appreciate that they have been under attack pretty much since forever... but I cannot condone their treatment of Palestinians and I think that they should withdraw to 1967 borders and share Jerusalem with the Arab world.

Sharon made a good start with Gaza and Hamas have honoured a ceasefire since then - which shows that they CAN behave in a civilized manner (much like the ANC after Mandela was released).

Now they must share Jerusalem, it's the last hurdle and the only hope for peace in the region.