View Full Version : Now that's my kind of terrorism
Schmeltz
02-16-2006, 06:22 PM
So two bombings in three days... and not even a single injury? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060216/wl_nm/spain_basque_dc)
Now let me assure you that I in no way endorse the current or past activities of terrorist groups like the ETA. Open dialogue through legitimate political channels is my platform of choice. But. If you're desperate enough to disengage from the formal political process, is there any more effective procedure to be followed? Don't kill innocent people - they are detached from the situation, it will gain you no political capital, and it's simply wrong. Just destroy property. Strike at what the shitheads who run this asylum actually care about. Hit big money. Hit private property. Hit them where it really hurts.
Not only will this spare the lives of people whose concerns are probably a lot like your own, maybe we could actually get the shitheads off their asses.
sam i am
02-17-2006, 12:33 PM
So two bombings in three days... and not even a single injury? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060216/wl_nm/spain_basque_dc)
Now let me assure you that I in no way endorse the current or past activities of terrorist groups like the ETA. Open dialogue through legitimate political channels is my platform of choice. But. If you're desperate enough to disengage from the formal political process, is there any more effective procedure to be followed? Don't kill innocent people - they are detached from the situation, it will gain you no political capital, and it's simply wrong. Just destroy property. Strike at what the shitheads who run this asylum actually care about. Hit big money. Hit private property. Hit them where it really hurts.
Not only will this spare the lives of people whose concerns are probably a lot like your own, maybe we could actually get the shitheads off their asses.
What about those who had jobs in those buildings? Maybe they were sympathetic to the ETA prior to this; now they've created an enemy because that person's job is gone.
Destruction like this reminds me of children : when they're playing together and one doesn't get his/her way, they knock the tower over or destroy the game : great way to get attention, but that child with the destructive tendencies either gets a wallop from a parent or ends up being a sociopath later in life......tantrums are FUN, but they rarely, if ever, gain the kind of end result the thrower intended.
STANKY808
02-17-2006, 12:41 PM
Destruction like this reminds me of children : when they're playing together and one doesn't get his/her way, they knock the tower over or destroy the game : great way to get attention, but that child with the destructive tendencies either gets a wallop from a parent or ends up being a sociopath later in life......tantrums are FUN, but they rarely, if ever, gain the kind of end result the thrower intended.
Right, very good. So it's either strike a child or they are destined to become a sociopath? I am really hoping this is simply hyperbole.
sam i am
02-17-2006, 12:43 PM
Right, very good. So it's either strike a child or they are destined to become a sociopath? I am really hoping this is simply hyperbole.
Of course it is....to make my point.
BTW, do you have children of your own?
D_Raay
02-17-2006, 12:51 PM
Of course it is....to make my point.
BTW, do you have children of your own?
It is a very difficult thing, and something someone without the experience has no business involving themselves in except on a purely hypothetical level.
sam i am
02-17-2006, 12:53 PM
It is a very difficult thing, and something someone without the experience has no business involving themselves in except on a purely hypothetical level.
Are you talking about having children?
How about it, D_Raay, do you agree with me that the way terrorists act out, in general, is akin to a child throwing a temper tantrum to garner attention and express displeasure in an anti-social way?
STANKY808
02-17-2006, 01:04 PM
Of course it is....to make my point.
BTW, do you have children of your own?
Why?
STANKY808
02-17-2006, 01:06 PM
It is a very difficult thing, and something someone without the experience has no business involving themselves in except on a purely hypothetical level.
Why?
And it's not difficult at all. I see people raising kids all the time who would appear to be very low functioning. If what you mean is that it is difficult to raise a well adjusted responsible human being than yes it is difficult.
D_Raay
02-17-2006, 01:12 PM
Are you talking about having children?
How about it, D_Raay, do you agree with me that the way terrorists act out, in general, is akin to a child throwing a temper tantrum to garner attention and express displeasure in an anti-social way?
The children part. But that would also apply to the terrorist part. Although, it wouldn't be an accurate analogy except on pure face value.
We can only speculate on what motivates terrorists just like non parents can only speculate on how children should be reared.
D_Raay
02-17-2006, 01:12 PM
Why?
Well... do you?
STANKY808
02-17-2006, 01:14 PM
Well... do you?
Your question irks me to no end. If I say yes, will that mean my position is to be taken with greater respect whereas if I am child free I can't have an opinion?
D_Raay
02-17-2006, 01:22 PM
Your question irks me to no end. If I say yes, will that mean my position is to be taken with greater respect whereas if I am child free I can't have an opinion?
No not at all. It does give me a better idea from what experience level you speak from however.
I wouldn't claim to have more viable of an opinion on engineering than an engineer for example. Sure there is a plethora of information readily attainable about raising children from actual parents, but nothing is quite the same as undertaking it yourself.
I find it a tad rude for a non parent to judge an actual parent, not that you fit that description.
STANKY808
02-17-2006, 01:30 PM
I find it a tad rude for a non parent to judge an actual parent, not that you fit that description.
My status as a parent aside, I find it a tad rude when someone advocates "walloping" a child for throwing a tantrum.
FearandLoathing
02-17-2006, 04:14 PM
I find it a tad rude for a non parent to judge an actual parent, not that you fit that description.
That makes sense. Because bad parenting just depends on context!
'Hey- look over there, that guy is beating the shit out of that little kid!'
'It's hard to raise a kid, man. You just don't know it. They're loud and shit.'
D_Raay
02-17-2006, 04:31 PM
That makes sense. Because bad parenting just depends on context!
'Hey- look over there, that guy is beating the shit out of that little kid!'
'It's hard to raise a kid, man. You just don't know it. They're loud and shit.'
We are not talking about abusive parents. The decision for a parent to use physical force to discipline their children is entirely their decision and not for those who do not have kids to comment on.
Like anything else if that parent chooses to go beyond an acceptable boundary than they are risking possible legal implications for their actions and rightfully so, but you can't go lumping ANYONE who chooses to spank their kids into that category.
For the record, I don't CHOOSE to discipline my kids physically, but I certainly wouldn't judge anyone who did provided they didn't go beyond what they know is appropriate.
FearandLoathing
02-17-2006, 04:46 PM
We are not talking about abusive parents. The decision for a parent to use physical force to discipline their children is entirely their decision and not for those who do not have kids to comment on.
Like anything else if that parent chooses to go beyond an acceptable boundary than they are risking possible legal implications for their actions and rightfully so, but you can't go lumping ANYONE who chooses to spank their kids into that category.
For the record, I don't CHOOSE to discipline my kids physically, but I certainly wouldn't judge anyone who did provided they didn't go beyond what they know is appropriate.
That quote I picked out mentioned none of that. It just said, 'non-parents, don't judge parents'. That's it.
ASsman
02-17-2006, 04:57 PM
F'ing Jews.
STANKY808
02-17-2006, 05:17 PM
We are not talking about abusive parents. The decision for a parent to use physical force to discipline their children is entirely their decision and not for those who do not have kids to comment on.
Like anything else if that parent chooses to go beyond an acceptable boundary than they are risking possible legal implications for their actions and rightfully so, but you can't go lumping ANYONE who chooses to spank their kids into that category.
For the record, I don't CHOOSE to discipline my kids physically, but I certainly wouldn't judge anyone who did provided they didn't go beyond what they know is appropriate.
Why can't non-parents comment on whether or not corporal punishment should be used? Parents and no-parents all have to live with the consequences of those children being spanked when they get older.
And one thing is for sure, I addressed the post's use of the word "wallop". I see "wallop" as being very different from "spank". And right there is part of the problem, how do you define abuse vs discipline?
D_Raay
02-18-2006, 02:45 AM
Why can't non-parents comment on whether or not corporal punishment should be used? Parents and no-parents all have to live with the consequences of those children being spanked when they get older.
And one thing is for sure, I addressed the post's use of the word "wallop". I see "wallop" as being very different from "spank". And right there is part of the problem, how do you define abuse vs discipline?
On an individual basis with all the required information at hand that is how. Not in a purely speculative manner, or at the very least have some experience and knowledge on the subject.
"Wallop" may be poor choice of words, but I think sam meant it to be poking fun.
Oh and everyone who gets spanked turns out bad? How old are you and what nonsense have you been reading? I was spanked and I think I turned out just fine. Hell, they used to spank us in school, and if anything it has helped not metamorphised my generation into a bunch of felons.
STANKY808
02-18-2006, 09:03 PM
On an individual basis with all the required information at hand that is how. Not in a purely speculative manner, or at the very least have some experience and knowledge on the subject.
"Wallop" may be poor choice of words, but I think sam meant it to be poking fun.
Oh and everyone who gets spanked turns out bad? How old are you and what nonsense have you been reading? I was spanked and I think I turned out just fine. Hell, they used to spank us in school, and if anything it has helped not metamorphised my generation into a bunch of felons.
I'm fairly certain I am older than you and as to whom I have been reading, well that would be a list I'd rather not get into but I would direct you to the work of Dr. James Garbarino, in particular his book Lost Boys.
sam i am
02-19-2006, 01:36 AM
D_raay : thanks for standing up for me.
To the rest : "wallop" was used purely rhetorically to make my point. I do....very rarely....spank, but I have NEVER "Walloped" a child.
I see parents, evryday, who do, and unless that child has beaten the parent or another child unprovoked, I do NOT condone "walloping."
Terrorists are still akin to children throwing temper tantrums, and if anyone deserves a "wallop," they do.
STANKY808
02-19-2006, 11:55 AM
D_raay : thanks for standing up for me.
To the rest : "wallop" was used purely rhetorically to make my point. I do....very rarely....spank, but I have NEVER "Walloped" a child.
I see parents, evryday, who do, and unless that child has beaten the parent or another child unprovoked, I do NOT condone "walloping."
Terrorists are still akin to children throwing temper tantrums, and if anyone deserves a "wallop," they do.
Ohhhh, there's a distinction between the circumstances in which some children get spanked and others get walloped. Well that's just fine then. If you see parents "walloping" their children every day, have you ever reported a case of abuse to the authorities? I mean the poster defending you made the distinction between discipline and abuse yet you seem to think abuse (or "a wallop") is just another parenting decision.
As for the "terrorists", all the walloping they are taking in US custody is doing great things for the "war"effort.
And after typing wallop several times it doesn't even seem like an actual word any longer.
sam i am
02-19-2006, 03:18 PM
Ohhhh, there's a distinction between the circumstances in which some children get spanked and others get walloped. Well that's just fine then. If you see parents "walloping" their children every day, have you ever reported a case of abuse to the authorities? I mean the poster defending you made the distinction between discipline and abuse yet you seem to think abuse (or "a wallop") is just another parenting decision.
As for the "terrorists", all the walloping they are taking in US custody is doing great things for the "war"effort.
And after typing wallop several times it doesn't even seem like an actual word any longer.
Yes...I have reported abuse before. I've been a foster parent as well as a parent in my own right.
Look up the definition of wallop before you judge.
You're right...after typing it several times it DOESN'T seem like real word.
Terrorists have not mounted a successful attack on US soil since 9/11 - looks like the walloping they're taking is working just fine to me.
STANKY808
02-20-2006, 11:01 AM
Yes...I have reported abuse before. I've been a foster parent as well as a parent in my own right.
Look up the definition of wallop before you judge.
You're right...after typing it several times it DOESN'T seem like real word.
Terrorists have not mounted a successful attack on US soil since 9/11 - looks like the walloping they're taking is working just fine to me.
Good for reporting it, I think sometimes people don't want to get involved.
Hmmm. "wallop"...
1. To beat soundly; thrash.
2. To strike with a hard blow.
3. To defeat thoroughly.
Oh I see you were only trying to stop terrorists attacking in America.
sam i am
02-20-2006, 04:31 PM
Good for reporting it, I think sometimes people don't want to get involved.
Hmmm. "wallop"...
1. To beat soundly; thrash.
2. To strike with a hard blow.
3. To defeat thoroughly.
Oh I see you were only trying to stop terrorists attacking in America.
I don't think the goal has solely been to stop terrorists striking in the US, but rather to defeat them thoroughly. Read Bush's speeches after 9/11 : he's all about "thorough defeat" for the terrorists.
Just like WWII : unconditional surrender is the only applicable solution.
STANKY808
02-20-2006, 04:37 PM
I don't think the goal has solely been to stop terrorists striking in the US, but rather to defeat them thoroughly. Read Bush's speeches after 9/11 : he's all about "thorough defeat" for the terrorists.
Just like WWII : unconditional surrender is the only applicable solution.
I just stopped laughing now... thanks.
sam i am
02-20-2006, 06:56 PM
I just stopped laughing now... thanks.
You're welcome :confused: :p ;)
D_Raay
02-20-2006, 07:10 PM
I don't think the goal has solely been to stop terrorists striking in the US, but rather to defeat them thoroughly. Read Bush's speeches after 9/11 : he's all about "thorough defeat" for the terrorists.
Just like WWII : unconditional surrender is the only applicable solution.
Yeah and pigs can thoroughly fly...
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