CRASH?!?!?!?

[Mr Films]

what a load of shit.

[Ace42X]

The Kronenberg film?

[Documad]

Were you supporting the gay cowboy movie instead?

I love an upset.

Capote was the best movie in the group.

[YoungRemy]

as soon as Crash and Brokeback Mountain won Original and Adapted screenplay Oscars, I knew that Ang Lee would win for Best Director and Crash would win for Best Picture...

the Golden Globes received too much negative publicity from conservative America for choosing Transamerica and Brokeback Mountain, so the Academy took the easy way out and did their best to honor Brokeback with Adapted Screenplay and Best Director...

tomorrow, we will read articles with the words "Hollywood Conspiracy"

[DroppinScience]

I was gunnin' for "Brokeback Mountain" to win, but I think "Good Night and Good Luck" was the best movie out of those five.

Big ups to Jon Stewart! He should've got an Oscar...

[Documad]

I think that everyone recognizes that Brokeback Mtn. wasn't a good movie and that the hype was overblown. Plus who really adores Heath Ledger?

I suspect it's just as popular to honor a movie that addresses racism as homophobia. In fact, I'd argue that it's more courageous to discuss the issue as a current problem than in a historical context.

I liked Capote and Good Night and Good Luck Better, so what do I know?

[SobaViolence]

i'm upset Luda didn't nab an oscar.

what a tragedy.

[Mr Films]

I was gunnin for Munich

[SobaViolence]

Syriana personally.


Clooney is heroic.

[Jmoney77]

Crash was ok but not best pic worthy

[Mr Films]

Crash was ok but not best pic worthy

Crash doesn't even pass as a TV movie. says i

[TurdBerglar]

what the fuck do you know about movies, douchbag

[Gareth]

I think "Good Night and Good Luck" was the best movie out of those five.

well, i only saw four out of the five, but i liked good night and good luck best as well. haven't seen brokeback.

[Mr Films]

what the fuck do you know about movies, douchbag

i know what i like and what i don't like

and i don't like crash

[TurdBerglar]

yeah


nevermind

[zorra_chiflada]

I KNEW BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN WOULDN'T WIN! I KNEW IT

[CrankItUp!]

There was another movie with the same title name Crash back in 1996. It starred James Spader and it focused on a couple that had twisted sexual arousal after being in intentional car crashes. It had a very bizarre story line and was pretty fucked up.

[zorra_chiflada]

oh, i remember that
it was a book by the guy who wrote fight club, or was it? i might be wrong.

[ms.peachy]

I thought Crash was really quite good. I don't think I even breathed through the scene where Matt Dillon has to get Thandie Newton out of the car, I thought both their performances were absolutely riveting and the dynamic between them in that moment was so intense. And the scene where the guy who stole the van realises that Asian guy was people-trafficking, and is forced to decide between his own greed and all of his rhetoric about white people and slavery, also an excellent performance by that guy, whose name I can't remember this second.

[Mr Films]

the only scene/dynamic in Crash that I thought wasn't wholly contrived was between the hispanic locksmith and his little daughter.

if crash has one well done scene it's the first one where he talkes her out from under her bed.

IF it has one well done scene.....

[ms.peachy]

I respectfully disagree. I found it very honest.

[discopants]

I still think a cowboy film should involve soot outs and holding up trains filled with gold. And Indians in them thar hills.

[venusvenus123]

I think that everyone recognizes that Brokeback Mtn. wasn't a good movie and that the hype was overblown. Plus who really adores Heath Ledger?

I suspect it's just as popular to honor a movie that addresses racism as homophobia. In fact, I'd argue that it's more courageous to discuss the issue as a current problem than in a historical context.


i agree. i think america's history with race and its subsequent problems are far more important issues to address than men's rights to bum one another.

and yes, i thought crash was a pretty good film overall .
i haven't seen brokeback mountain, but it does annoy me when everyone gushes over a particular movie.

[enree erzweglle]

the only scene/dynamic in Crash that I thought wasn't wholly contrived was between the hispanic locksmith and his little daughter.

if crash has one well done scene it's the first one where he talkes her out from under her bed.

IF it has one well done scene.....That was a nice scene, yes, and it was the best in all of the ones that I watched. I made it maybe 45 minutes into that movie before I realized that my time was better spent cleaning the litter box.

God, when I'd heard that it won, I moaned out loud. Capote or BBM should have gotten it.

[abcdefz]

what a load of shit.

[abcdefz]

There was another movie with the same title name Crash back in 1996. It starred James Spader and it focused on a couple that had twisted sexual arousal after being in intentional car crashes. It had a very bizarre story line and was pretty fucked up.



That was the Cronenberg movie.

In France, this current "Crash" is being released as... something like "Collision." They pretty much worship Cronenberg over there, and the distributors feel like there's only one Crash. :rolleyes:

What the hell -- we've got two really bad movies named Crash, I say.




oh, i remember that
it was a book by the guy who wrote fight club, or was it? i might be wrong.


No -- it was J. G. (?) Ballard -- the guy who wrote Empire of the Sun.

[roosta]

i thought it was a really good film.

[tpk]

yeah i liked crash (y)

why do you care about the oscars anyway? it's not like any of the films that have won for best film has ever been the best film of the year. same goes for every other oscar ever won.

i mean, shawshank redemption didn't win a single oscar, now that sucks.

[Justin]

I gave up on award shows a long time ago.

As for brokeback mountain, i havent seen it, (and i dont want to anyways) but i have heard all of the publicity. As you all know..

Any Publicity is good Publicity.

[Qdrop]

Crash pretty much sucked.

[enree erzweglle]

Crash pretty much sucked.So I thought so too. I saw it before it was nominated, but certainly after it was getting talk. I thought that I maybe hated it because I was expecting more after having heard a bit about it? (I don't think so, though.)

None of my friends, relatives, or co-workers liked it. I've overheard people talking about it on the bus and at the gym--none of them liked it. Who liked this movie & why? (I'm not challenging you--I would sincerely like to understand it a little bit more and to know whether I missed some profound message.)

Contrived. Preachy. Oversimplified. Cliched. I wasn't impressed with the characterization or the acting or the dialog--especially the dialog. I've seen each of those characters dozens and dozens of times in movies--some of which were made like 30-40 years ago. Is that earth shattering? ...is it enough to win best film?

Then again, to me, the scariest thing about Blair Witch was watching it with my dad and looking over to see that he'd fallen asleep with his eyes open. Maybe I lack artistic vision, insight when it comes new/er movies.

[abcdefz]

enree's already seen this, but, at the risk of being tiresome...

This is the letter I sent to our newspaper editor this morning:

Paul Haggis, who wrote and directed the anti-racist screed, Crash, took a nice little swipe in your article, "A Message You Can't Refuse." He's quoted as saying, "When I found out the conservative press was actually embracing the movie, I thought, 'What have I done wrong?'" Oh, I see: conservative equals "wrong," liberal equals "right." Yeah, please, Mr. Haggis: teach us all about bigotry.

[venusvenus123]

i liked ludacris in crash

[burbboi]

i thought it was good. It had just as much right to be there as the 'Gay Cowboy' movie did. I'm actually glad it won with all the frenzied hype surrounding Brokeback Mountain and everything..

[na§tee]

i thought crash was a good movie.
i also thought brokeback was a good movie.
it will hurt my head to get into which one of them is "better", so i won't. but i will mention that people think crash bagged it in the end because the academy is mostly made of actors, and it was a very actorly and performance-driven movie.
so.. yeah.

anyway who cares about that; did you get a load of what SALMA HAYEK WAS WEARING???! wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am! that's a woman if ever i've see one.

p.s. who was joaquin phoenix mouthing "i love you" to when the camera cut to him before his clip for best actor? me, i bet...

[jackrock]

out of the runnings i only saw Munich and Crash... both were very good film i thought.

[Mr Films]

my main gripe with Crash was it's complete lack of subtlety. all the characters were so outrageously racist it defied logic. it made LA seem like some kind of sespool where all the assholes of the world end up together.

I could feel Paul Haggis shaking his head at me and saying "You racist son of a bitch, how dare you."

only one person does overt racism well, and that's Spike Lee- Crash came off like an after school special.

[CrankItUp!]

..after school special ?

So what time did you get home off the school bus today ? :rolleyes:

[Mr Films]

..after school special ?

So what time did you get home off the school bus today ? :rolleyes:

i just meant Crash presented everything a little to cut and dry.

[Matt]

only one person does overt racism well, and that's Spike Lee- Crash came off like an after school special.

EXACTLY.

Crash won and I said "what the fuck" becuase thats how I really felt. I honestly thought Brokeback would win, because it's one of those movies made to win oscars. Not a great movie, but it touches on a hot-button issue, and thats what the academy goes for. Crash delt with racisim like it was fifty wayrs ago when overt racisim was common. I felt like Capote deserved to win, because it was the good movie that this year was sorely lacking

[DapperDiverge]

finally a low budget film won something!! it seems like the oscars always look at the film that cost the most money to make and not necessarily it's content.

Crash i felt delt with something we all deal with on a regular basis... there has been so much talk that hollywood is outta touch with america so i think they chose this movie to show that they weren't... sorta like a crowd pleaser to america... like Cllinton's infamous quote " I feel your pain!" (y)

crash was the only movie i saw last year... i thought it was good because it shows society undercover... what's really going on that most people try not to acknowledge or talk about... man are we ignorant!!

[Documad]

Capote > Good Night and Good Luck > Munich > Crash > Brokeback

On any given day, I might reverse the order of GN&GL and Munich.

But where the store owner shot the locksmith and I thought he got the daughter I gasped louder than at any movie since Misery.

[tpk]

my main gripe with Crash was it's complete lack of subtlety. all the characters were so outrageously racist it defied logic. it made LA seem like some kind of sespool where all the assholes of the world end up together.

I could feel Paul Haggis shaking his head at me and saying "You racist son of a bitch, how dare you."

only one person does overt racism well, and that's Spike Lee- Crash came off like an after school special.well sometimes you'd want to twist and exadurate a bit to get the point across. that's how i felt this movie did. it's obvious that no one is gonna think that all people or the majority of the people in la are that racist. it just shows you what happens occasionally and that's worth showing since it's pretty twisted.

[zorra_chiflada]

why the brokeback mountain hate, documad?

even if you didn't like it, you can't say that munich was better than that! munich was a piece of shit!!

[Qdrop]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11700333/from/RS.5/

^ sums up my sentiments pretty well.

[enree erzweglle]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11700333/from/RS.5/

^ sums up my sentiments pretty well.Yes, thanks for posting that.

I particuarly agreed with this bit, but before I read this review, I couldn't quite articulate it. This is perfect:

...the most potent form of racism in this country is no longer overt but covert. Once upon a time, yes yes yes, it was overt, which is another reason why “Crash� sucks. It’s doing what simple-minded generals do: It’s fighting the last war.

[Anne Lauren]

Hell, I liked it, for the most part. Granted, it did rather simplify, dramatize, and stereotype the whole "race war" conflict amoungst various social classes and races throught out society...however, for me, I found it rather entertaining, I guess. It kept my attention. Not really a "thinker" type movie for me...soley only because the material used and basic point of the movie was too "obvious" and "exaggerated", for the most part.

It kinda reminded me of a depressing, "striaght to the point", Quentin Tarrentino flick...without all the unnecessary "weirdness", that had a point to the story (trying to make the audience aware as to the extremes in which racial discrimination can affect lives).

[abcdefz]

The thing about Crash is: a different director probably could've taken the exact same material to make a comedy. THAT'S how inflated and grotesque it is.

It's doubly bad when someone who writes is either incredibly unobservant OR willing to blatantly lie about the world to try to right a social injustice. I mean, you do that by creating a world that people recognize themselves in: do many racists go, "Yeah, that prick up there -- that's me. I must mend my ways!"

[jackrock]

you know, Colbert called it :D

[Chicka B]

I actually thought this was a very good movie. (y)

[befsquire]

And the scene where the guy who stole the van realises that Asian guy was people-trafficking, and is forced to decide between his own greed and all of his rhetoric about white people and slavery, also an excellent performance by that guy, whose name I can't remember this second.
that would be ludacris. he did a great job -- not your typical rapper acting in a movie.

i just watched this movie for the first time last night and i really liked it a lot. and then i read a to z's comment a few posts up and thought "this from the guy who gave red eye a b-?"

[abcdefz]

i just watched this movie for the first time last night and i really liked it a lot. and then i read a to z's comment a few posts up and thought "this from the guy who gave red eye a b-?"


Red Eye was just a wind-up toy, and for the most part, it worked on that level. It wasn't attempting to be commentary; it was just a popcorn flick. It wasn't Raiders of the Lost Ark or North by Northwest, but it was pretty effective most of the way through.

Crash -- what I saw of it -- was just blatantly offensive. It cheats its own purpose by wildly inflating behavior and circumstance to make an "enlightened point," and by doing so, shows a pretty deep distrust of the audience's intelligence which indicates a bigotry which should be decried just as forcefully as racism. The guy's interviews just confirm that. So it's a pretty nasty piece of work, from what I saw. (n)

As far as movies that take on racism goes, Blazing Saddles was a hundred times more effective.

[abcdefz]

God help us.


Starz To Offer First Original Drama Series: 'Crash'
Movie channel Starz, which, unlike other pay-TV cable outlets like HBO and Showtime, has never produced original dramatic
programming, has signed a deal with Lionsgate to develop a series based on the 2004 movie Crash.Several of the movie's
producers, including Paul Haggis, Don Cheadle, Bobby Moresco, Bob Yari, Mark R. Harris, and Tom Hunan, will also oversee
the TV series. Haggis, who also co-wrote the screenplay of Crash, told Broadcasting & Cable magazine that he had
originally envisioned it as a TV show. "I am thrilled that it's coming full circle and can't wait to see how it expands and
transforms," he said.

[DandyFop]

I loved that film, I think it's not a bad starting-off point for a series.

[roosta]

i thought it was a really good film.

I saw it again recently and I realized how horribly obvious the whole film is. Not really good at all.