In Titanic Billy Zane said "I make my own luck"

[Nuzzolese]

So-and-so said the universe continuously expands until it collapses in on itself at which point it starts over again and this is repeatedly infinitely. So you are to be careful of mistakes that you will be destined to repeat for eternity. Quantum physics suggest that an infinite number of possibilities are occurring at every moment, and the one we observe is what we call reality. Do you think that you could suddenly become aware of an opportunity to look someplace else, and change the course of infinite repitition? Or would that just be part of your destiny?

[na§tee]

read; his dark materials trilogy: philip pullman.

[Qdrop]

So-and-so said the universe continuously expands until it collapses in on itself at which point it starts over again and this is repeatedly infinitely. So you are to be careful of mistakes that you will be destined to repeat for eternity. Quantum physics suggest that an infinite number of possibilities are occurring at every moment, and the one we observe is what we call reality. Do you think that you could suddenly become aware of an opportunity to look someplace else, and change the course of infinite repitition? Or would that just be part of your destiny?

you've been watching "what the %@*%$ do you we know?", haven't you?

[Nuzzolese]

Not for a while but it did mention this. That guy in front of the fireplace was a douche. Most of the people in that movie were douches. That was a reality that I observed. The reality of douchebaggery. And believe it or not, I don't throw that term around lightly.

[Qdrop]

Do you think that you could suddenly become aware of an opportunity to look someplace else, and change the course of infinite repitition? Or would that just be part of your destiny?

and while i tend to agree with the "oscillating universe" theory:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/universes/html/osci.html

i don't know if that implies that circumstances and actions are doomed to be repeated.
i think the same "oppurtunties" will continue to arrise in a way...but randomness is not an illusion.

[Qdrop]

Not for a while but it did mention this. That guy in front of the fireplace was a douche. Most of the people in that movie were douches. That was a reality that I observed. The reality of douchebaggery. And believe it or not, I don't throw that term around lightly.

you gotta love that one lady who claimed to be the "vessel" of some great hindu spirit guide....
can't believe that put that bitch in front of a camera.

[Nuzzolese]

Do you smoke or take mind altering substances?

No, my mind alters on its own.

[Nuzzolese]

The bang and crunch. But if the same opportunities arise, and we are essentially the same people, and so is every other living thing, how would we avoid the same mistakes?

Did you see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? (boy, this thread has a movie for everyone!) you have the same tendencies. We would observe the same things. Or would we? I wonder how much we could have changed, or could still change. And how would we even know we're changing anything and that it's not simply what we always would have done?

I have trouble coprehending the concept that the universe is expanding. It's said, it's thrown around like that. Expanding. Expanding how?? Physically? Where is it going? I sound stupid with these questions, I know. But really, is matter expanding the way air expands a balloon? Wouldn't we notice that?

[monkey]

So-and-so said the universe continuously expands until it collapses in on itself at which point it starts over again and this is repeatedly infinitely. So you are to be careful of mistakes that you will be destined to repeat for eternity. Quantum physics suggest that an infinite number of possibilities are occurring at every moment, and the one we observe is what we call reality. Do you think that you could suddenly become aware of an opportunity to look someplace else, and change the course of infinite repitition? Or would that just be part of your destiny?


i want to hang out with you when you're stoned. you must be fantastic to talk to.

[ChrisLove]

The bang and crunch. But if the same opportunities arise, and we are essentially the same people, and so is every other living thing, how would we avoid the same mistakes?

Did you see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? (boy, this thread has a movie for everyone!) you have the same tendencies. We would observe the same things. Or would we? I wonder how much we could have changed, or could still change. And how would we even know we're changing anything and that it's not simply what we always would have done?

I have trouble coprehending the concept that the universe is expanding. It's said, it's thrown around like that. Expanding. Expanding how?? Physically? Where is it going? I sound stupid with these questions, I know. But really, is matter expanding the way air expands a balloon? Wouldn't we notice that?

Its not the matter thats expanding, its space that expands. In terms of what the what we are expanding into, its hard to answer in a satisfactory manner. I find the most pleasing explanation is that the universe is closed such that if you travelled in any direction for long enough you would eventually get back to where you started (although you could never do this because the universe exapnds faster than you can travel) - ie the universe is curved in some higher dimension in much the same way that the earth is curved in one dimension.

and while i tend to agree with the "oscillating universe" theory:


Re: Big Crunch/ Oscillating universe; there is considerable evidence that the universes rate of expansion is increasing which suggests that the universe will ultimately suffer a 'heat death' due to entropy. Big crunch is out of fashion as a thoery but who knows what discovery the future will bring

[monkey]

oh oh, in terms of this thread: if you imagine the universe like a balloon. you have the outside of the balloon, which you see. the cosmos are established around there. now you also have the inside of the balloon, the 4th dimension we cant see but we know exists. time, i guess. the balloon is constantly expanding, like someone is blowing into it. on the outside, all you notice is the galaxies moving farther apart.

[Mr. Smacktackle]

Its not the matter thats expanding, its space that expands. In terms of what the what we are expanding into, its hard to answer in a satisfactory manner. I find the most pleasing explanation is that the universe is closed such that if you travelled in any direction for long enough you would eventually get back to where you started (although you could never do this because the universe exapnds faster than you can travel) - ie the universe is curved in some higher dimension in much the same way that the earth is curved in one dimension.
Actually, the border of the universe is TIME.

[ChrisLove]

oh oh, in terms of this thread: if you imagine the universe like a balloon. you have the outside of the balloon, which you see. the cosmos are established around there. now you also have the inside of the balloon, the 4th dimension we cant see but we know exists. time, i guess. the balloon is constantly expanding, like someone is blowing into it. on the outside, all you notice is the galaxies moving farther apart.


Exactly. (y)

[Nuzzolese]

i want to hang out with you when you're stoned. you must be fantastic to talk to.

Alas, I never get stoned.

[Nuzzolese]

So, basically the universe floats like a bubble in metaspace, which doesn't have a real definition. But if we observe the expansion of matter in a certain way, that makes it so...as far as we're concerned. Or does this M theory of expansion even relate at all to physics as it is used as a tool for measuring the movement of particles? It's all speculation, right? It's all what we observe?

[Nuzzolese]

Actually, the border of the universe is TIME.

And THAT'S one to grow on!

[Nuzzolese]

And what about Billy Zane's looks? I say it's all in his eyebrows, and he could make do without his lip and jaw structure. Yeah?

[monkey]

So, basically the universe floats like a bubble in metaspace, which doesn't have a real definition. But if we observe the expansion of matter in a certain way, that makes it so...as far as we're concerned. Or does this M theory of expansion even relate at all to physics as it is used as a tool for measuring the movement of particles? It's all speculation, right? It's all what we observe?


i think we are limited by the dimensions we can see and the objects of measurement we have. that's the problem in trying to define the universe, because we dont have the tools to do it. we might be as wrong as the early scientists in thinking the sun revolved around the earth. people that are able to explain or even attempt to imagine and configure the universe and what it;s made out of, etc, have an extra ability to see things most people cannot. it's incredibly difficult to imagine that which we have no similar context for. our world is much more complicated than our still evolving brains can handle.

[Knuckles]

Well, I look pretty good in blue so...

[Sarky Devotchka]

thinking about space is hard. I leave that to Jesus.

[Mr. Smacktackle]

i think we are limited by the dimensions we can see and the objects of measurement we have. that's the problem in trying to define the universe, because we dont have the tools to do it. we might be as wrong as the early scientists in thinking the sun revolved around the earth. people that are able to explain or even attempt to imagine and configure the universe and what it;s made out of, etc, have an extra ability to see things most people cannot. it's incredibly difficult to imagine that which we have no similar context for. our world is much more complicated than our still evolving brains can handle.
Like trying to imagine a color that doesn't exist

[Qdrop]

So, basically the universe floats like a bubble in metaspace, which doesn't have a real definition.

it's easier if you don't concern yourself about matter when thinking about the "universe bubble".

there is NOTHING outside the universe. don't think of the universe as this object: you'll just be tempted to ask what's outside that object, what is is floating in...etc.

think of the universe as existence. it's more than just matter. it's existance.
there is nothing outside of existence.

[Qdrop]

and your poll makes no sense.

and no one thinks you clever or eccentric for it, so THERE!

[Nuzzolese]

and your poll makes no sense.

and no one thinks you clever or eccentric for it, so THERE!

Ha!

[fucktopgirl]

That is so like wierd,but while i was reading this thread,on the BBC news that dude come to share a new theory of the bigbang.THe guy pass 30 years thinking that the universe start from nothingness then"big bang",universe expanded till he collaspse.

Now is new theory is that ,it did not start with nothingness but its a constant bigbang chain reaction;each time the universe expanded till he loose track of time ,then another bigbang occur.
randomness would increase with the expansion of the universe!

[beastiegirrl101]

I believe you make your own happiness but not your own luck.

[Qdrop]

I just noticed the poll for this thread. How eccentic. How clever.

i'm gonna punch you in the throat!

[mickill]

If the universe gains a couple of inches here and there, who's really going to notice?

There is no such thing as luck, just circumstance, occurence and actuality.

[Nuzzolese]

There is no such thing as luck, just circumstance, occurence and actuality.

And how you look at it. Happy accidents, joyeux tombe or whatever Canadians call it.

[fucktopgirl]

And how you look at it. Happy accidents, joyeux tombe or whatever Canadians call it.

joyeux tombe??

[Kid Presentable]

Not to really do anything but paste a cup with the bottom cut off onto Nuzz's collage of thought, but I gathered that time has already ended, and that it did so from the point of the initial 'Big Bang'. So in fact what we consider our present state just the playing out of a collossal force, or an explosion so vast that existence is able to 'happen' within its occurrence.

It is such a grand unit of measurement that what is happening to us, has been long over for the cosmos. Bear in mind the perception we are capable of at a paeonic human level.

So the stuff goes bang, and takes so long to dissipate, we are able to note a sense of 'being' within it, when in terms of the metaphysical universe, it was merely a balloon popping and has already occurred, ended, whatever.

If you believe in a God, apparently he is not immune to this effect either.

I am That.

[Anne Lauren]

I, firmly, beleive life is all about choices. However, I beleive that people are predisposed to making certain choices...such as, through genetics (IQ's, talents, skills, physical attributes, etc), interests, past experiences, different "supprt sytems" (friends and family), up-bringing, enviroment, etc.

Then again, just plain ole luck, also plays a major part...however, I think that can be compensated through drive and ambition. How bad to you want it and what will you be willing to sacrifice to obtion it...is it worth it, or not?

[mickill]

It can't always be about choices because there are always unforeseeable circumstances to consider. Sometimes it's just the way the fortune cookie crumbles.

Speaking of which, I just remembered that Ava had her first fortune cookie last week. It said that her luck was going to take a turn for the better soon. How wonderful.

[Kid Presentable]

Speaking of which, I just remembered that Ava had her first fortune cookie last week. It said that her luck was going to take a turn for the better soon. How wonderful.

Nice. (y)

[fucktopgirl]

i dont think there is such thing as luck but everything is higly organised in this infinite chaos.Like everthing happen for a reason!BUt it all dpend on your will and effort too.

LIke"help youself and the sky will help you back"

[Kid Presentable]

Oh, so we were talking about luck? Sorry, Nazzolese for fucking up your thread with my fucktop, I mean fucked up ways.

[fucktopgirl]

Oh, so we were talking about luck? Sorry, Nazzolese for fucking up your thread with my fucktop, I mean fucked up ways.

okok,i was out a bit :D no need to blast me!

[Bob]

man, i don't understand what any of you are talking about in this thread. that must mean you all do drugs or something

[Anne Lauren]

Granted, but, for the most part...everything that you are now as an adult (a husband with a beautiful daughter that lives in Canada and has a passion for making music...blah, blah, blah...so on and so on) is due to the choices you made. You have no control as to what cards you're delt and born into...but, you can do something about it. You might just have to work a little harder.

I don't know...name an "unforseeable" circumstance, that ultimately was not a result of a choice you had made (directly or indirectly). And, don't name anything that you're born into/with. Every choice you make affects a different aspect of your life on down the road...kinda like, The Butterfly Affect. Now, not every choice that you make will result in what you had hoped (due to other variables that are out of your control...which I think might be your point, maybe?) However, that's where drive and ambition play a part...if one choice you make doesn't work...then, you try another choice.

This is in response to MicKill's post, btw.

[g-mile7]

Faith and luck are there , but it is more about choices. You chose to post on here;thus, you are willing to take the stupidty that is on here. You choose to open a thread. Faith or luck has nothing to do with that. Thus, you choose to answer the thread (oh this thread is stupid).


I agree luck and faith plays a big part (just because you choose to play the lotto won't mean that you will win), but choices shape our society as a whole.

[cosmo105]

I make my own waffles.

[SobaViolence]

choice is an illusion.

Not to really do anything but paste a cup with the bottom cut off onto Nuzz's collage of thought, but I gathered that time has already ended, and that it did so from the point of the initial 'Big Bang'. So in fact what we consider our present state just the playing out of a collossal force, or an explosion so vast that existence is able to 'happen' within its occurrence.

It is such a grand unit of measurement that what is happening to us, has been long over for the cosmos. Bear in mind the perception we are capable of at a paeonic human level.

So the stuff goes bang, and takes so long to dissipate, we are able to note a sense of 'being' within it, when in terms of the metaphysical universe, it was merely a balloon popping and has already occurred, ended, whatever.

If you believe in a God, apparently he is not immune to this effect either.

I am That.

i like that a lot.

we are a minute atom on a microscopic grain of sand in an endless desert. i do enjoy a good cuban cigar, tho.

[Bob]

choice is an illusion.



i like that a lot.

we are a minute atom on a microscopic grain of sand in an endless desert. i do enjoy a good cuban cigar, tho.

ok, duuuuuuuuuude! whatever you say, maaaaaaaaaan!

[g-mile7]

choice is an illusion.




Ok Architect'

[mickill]

ok, duuuuuuuuuude! whatever you say, maaaaaaaaaan!
I think Bob is getting fed up. I don't think it'll be long before Bob joins the dark side; the 'sarcastic prick with very little consideration for the feelings of others' side. We welcome you, brother. Just make that final leap.

[SobaViolence]

i guess my philosophy/religious studies double major is not worth my time, then. sorry. i'll drop out and sign up for law school or accounting or something useful.

carry on.

[g-mile7]

i guess my philosophy/religious studies double major is not worth my time, then. sorry. i'll drop out and sign up for law school or accounting or something useful.

carry on.


We watch the Matrix movies in my philosophy class almost every week', thus the Archteict comment if you didn't catch it.

[Nuzzolese]

ok, duuuuuuuuuude! whatever you say, maaaaaaaaaan!

Bob's funny.

[mickill]

Bob's funny.
You know what tends to be really really wet? Water. Water sure is wet, man.

[Bob]

i guess my philosophy/religious studies double major is not worth my time, then. sorry. i'll drop out and sign up for law school or accounting or something useful.

carry on.

haha, sorry, i didn't mean anything personal by it. i was simply waiting for an interesting post to come along so that i could follow up on my earlier post in the thread. you were a victim of timing, it could have been anyone.

[mickill]

Okay, looks like you've gone back to your little friendly teddy bear schtick, Bob.

[Bob]

i'm gonna punch you in the throat!

[cosmo105]

i guess my philosophy/religious studies double major is not worth my time, then. sorry. i'll drop out and sign up for law school or accounting or something useful.

carry on.
uh. yeah, unless you're going to teach or write books or something else along those lines, there's really not much you can do in the philosophy field. trust me. my ex? bachelor's in philosophy and religion.

he's a weekend manager at an LA Fitness.

[mickill]

Bob, Bob, Bob...not to me. When you do it to me, I just get sad. And when I get sad people bleed from their heads and torsos.

[SobaViolence]

uh. yeah, unless you're going to teach or write books or something else along those lines, there's really not much you can do in the philosophy field. trust me. my ex? bachelor's in philosophy and religion.

he's a weekend manager at an LA Fitness.

ouch.

but from what i gather, your ex is a psycho, or something along those lines...

[cosmo105]

ouch.

but from what i gather, your ex is a psycho, or something along those lines...
astute! yeah, he really isn't exactly personable. or attractive. or a decent human being.

seriously though, even one of my best friends from high school - a very intelligent, beautiful woman - is majoring in philosophy. and she's about to graduate, i believe...but reality hit her like a cement truck sometime last year when she realized she couldn't find a job with it. she works for the energy company :\

i think it's a very noble major and is very enriching to one's life. just don't end up like my ex and name your cats Aristotle and Plato. christ.

[Knuckles]

How do you get someone with a philosophy degree off your porch?

[cosmo105]

there is no porch.

[Knuckles]

YOU PAY HIM FOR THE PIZZA!

[zorra_chiflada]

wow. i really have no idea what to say in this thread. this is too much for me.




now, if this were a thread about photocopiers and how to use them effectively, i would be making the best posts.

[Kid Presentable]

wow. i really have no idea what to say in this thread. this is too much for me.




now, if this were a thread about photocopiers and how to use them effectively, i would be making the best posts.

The photocopier doesn't exist anymore zorra. You're just living out inevitability together.

[Nuzzolese]

You know what tends to be really really wet? Water. Water sure is wet, man.

I mean, he's slippery when funny. Take Caution.

[Kid Presentable]

I mean, he's slippery when funny. Take Caution.
So I missed the point of this thread?

Was it really about luck?

[Nuzzolese]

astute! yeah, he really isn't exactly personable. or attractive. or a decent human being.

seriously though, even one of my best friends from high school - a very intelligent, beautiful woman - is majoring in philosophy. and she's about to graduate, i believe...but reality hit her like a cement truck sometime last year when she realized she couldn't find a job with it. she works for the energy company :\

i think it's a very noble major and is very enriching to one's life. just don't end up like my ex and name your cats Aristotle and Plato. christ.

But, education in something you are interested in, for its own sake, isn't a total waste. Even if you don't have a job that is obviously tied to your degree, it doesn't mean you didn't use your degree, or that it didn't help you become a smarter, better person. Or maybe I'm just saying this because I have a degree in English and Art and I do billing and accounts for a Hospital.

[Nuzzolese]

So I missed the point of this thread?

Was it really about luck?

There's no point, I'm just talking. If I try to have a point it's expecting too much. It's better to just hope for people to say something that pops into their head when reading the thread. Like, anything at all resembling something related to what is being said, is welcome.

[Kid Presentable]

There's no point, I'm just talking. If I try to have a point it's expecting too much. It's better to just hope for people to say something that pops into their head when reading the thread. Like, anything at all resembling something related to what is being said, is welcome.

So try and define what you are. And you're not a human being, or an animal, because what is that? That's just a case for what YOU are. So what are you?

I am That.

[Kid Presentable]

Just google "I am that". :)

[Nuzzolese]

So try and define what you are. And you're not a human being, or an animal, because what is that? That's just a case for what YOU are. So what are you?

I am That.

C is for Cookie and that's good enough for me. As far as you are concerned, which is as far as anything goes when I'm talking to you, I'm only Nuzzolese. And the reality of my internet identity as it relates to you only extends as far as these cyber walls, and as far as your imagination goes.

That sounds so magical, doesn't it?!

[Kid Presentable]

C is for Cookie and that's good enough for me. As far as you are concerned, which is as far as anything goes when I'm talking to you, I'm only Nuzzolese. And the reality of my internet identity as it relates to you only extends as far as these cyber walls, and as far as your imagination goes.

That sounds so magical, doesn't it?!

My way, your way anything goes tonight.

[Nuzzolese]

Oh, God's response to Moses in the old testament when he asked him who he was? Then I am in the process of being me. I am not completed. I'm so sorry for the mess.

[Kid Presentable]

Oh, God's response to Moses in the old testament when he asked him who he was? Then I am in the process of being me. I am not completed. I'm so sorry for the mess.
I preferred Homer's reply to the Cyclops.

[Nuzzolese]

Then why didn't you say that instead of "I am that" (I am) and ask me to google it?

[Nuzzolese]

You're not talking to me, you're just reveling in your own cutesy obscureness, you eyebrowless freak. (eyebrows are overrated anyway - you're the wave of the future)

[Kid Presentable]

You're not talking to me, you're just reveling in your own cutesy obscureness, you eyebrowless freak. (eyebrows are overrated anyway - you're the wave of the future)
Obscure?

Hold up, there's nothing to stop the sweat getting in my eyes.....can't ype.....

[Bob]

i thought it was "i am what i am"? i don't know i'm not a christian or a jew.

also LOL at knuckles' philosophy major joke. i'm going to write that one down

[Nuzzolese]

i thought it was "i am what i am"? i don't know i'm not a christian or a jew.

also LOL at knuckles' philosophy major joke. i'm going to write that one down

I don't know, different translations.

[cosmo105]

But, education in something you are interested in, for its own sake, isn't a total waste. Even if you don't have a job that is obviously tied to your degree, it doesn't mean you didn't use your degree, or that it didn't help you become a smarter, better person. Or maybe I'm just saying this because I have a degree in English and Art and I do billing and accounts for a Hospital.
oh, very much so. i didn't really say it was a waste. it just doesn't exactly open a lot of doors career-wise. (i wish there was a word like "careerally" so i didn't have to just stick "-wise" at the end of it. it'd be so much more eloquent.) and that's unfortunately what the ultimate goal is for most people attending college. i just know my ex constantly was kicking himself for it, because it left him thousands of dollars in debt, that he probably won't pay off for decades. but the education he got was fantastic.

knuckles: lol to the power of omg. (y)

[Nuzzolese]

I watched What the Bleep again last night and I hate it now. It's just a bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about, and some kid playing basketball.

[Qdrop]

I watched What the Bleep again last night and I hate it now. It's just a bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about, and some kid playing basketball.

hey, the deaf lady won an oscar years ago....

[cosmo105]

I watched What the Bleep again last night and I hate it now. It's just a bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about, and some kid playing basketball.
yeah. ridiculously new-agey wuss crap. *crushes soymilk carton against forehead*

[Qdrop]

yeah. ridiculously new-agey wuss crap. *crushes soymilk carton against forehead*

what truly terrifies me, though...is what if they're right?

in that movie, amongst the many truly interesting and viable theories....were tons of ridiculous tripe from crystals to spirits...

shit, what if it was all true?
what if human emotion focused on water can actually make water crystal change shape?
and make plant grow differantly?

what if existance truly is ONLY personel...to each individual? that we each, as individuals can actually create our own existance as we choose?

what if pyramids really do focus power?
what if Feng shue (sp?) really does focus chi and all that?
what if hot stones and crystals can really re-align chi.

what if scientologists are right? what if everything bad is caused by Thetans?

[cosmo105]

then my FREE KATIE shirt is going to be worth a mint?