I cant stand pointy High-Heels & chicks that walk like theyre tryin to kill the floor

[b i o n i c]

there's this one in my office, but really... theyre's at least one in every office. the chick that wears the tallest, pointiest, ugliest high-heels and walks around announcing herself with the ka-clack of her hoofs. i HATE those. especially the ones that look super long like they have reptile feet. who the fuck thinks that's attractive? it seems like the most brazen offenders are the chicks that walk around with the biggest pusses on their faces. lighten up, fuckin retawds

[mickill]

Yeah, I dig those kinda girls.

[Nuzzolese]

I think they look powerful and sexy and mean. I admire them. Unless they look insecurely too trendy.

[beastiegirrl101]

I think they look powerful and sexy and mean. I admire them. Unless they look insecurely too trendy.

[ms.peachy]

Tiny women can get away with it. The larger you are, the more difficult it is to pull off successfully. I know I can't. I mean, even before I was all round and stuff.

[Nuzzolese]

Oh no, I think the taller, stronger women can do it even better! I think it just enhances them and makes them look fierce, unashamed of being tall and thick, like amazons. Amazons are sexy.

[enree erzweglle]

You're talking terribly pointy toes, right? Like these?

this (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0008D6JTK.01.LEFT._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
this (http://www.shoes.com/productimages/shoes_ps5006451.jpg)
this (http://www.msn.handbag.com/graphics/library3/IK213A21Ghighheeled.jpg)

I don't think that style flatters anyone.

Can't imagine they'd be comfortable unless maybe if you have only 1 or 2 toes or something.

[Nuzzolese]

I think they are flattering! I'm here to crusade for painful fashion that exaggerates the "female" form. err...I guess. Anything that makes you look like a wobbly, leggy, big-butted horse, teetering on dangerous, spikey blades is flattering.

It looks dangerous, impractical, delicate, and exaggerates the arch in the foot and a graceful, gradually narrowing leg. And they can be used as weapons in a crunch.

[b i o n i c]

i can't be the only guy who's repulsed by them.

and more irritating than the shoes its the way some walk in them. i was walking and i could hear this loud-ass chick stabbing away behind me. seriously loud. i wanted to turn around and ask her if she needed something to calm her nerves. maybe some chamomile tea?

im gonna get really manly shoes made of iron and see if no one complains. and if they do ill tell them, 'hey... these shoes show everyone how powerful i am. fuck off'



>> yes enree... lilke those and even longer and pointier. uuuughgh

[Nuzzolese]

It's just one look to go for. I usually wear silent flats because I like to go unnoticed and be able to make a break for it whenever I want to. But I occasionally wear them and in a way, I love the sound of it. It reminds me of when I was a little girl at home and my mother would be walking around upstairs on the wood floor and I could hear her stern heels say "thalk thalk thalk" all the way through the floors where they'd pierce me with apprehension and awe because I knew that she had her hair done and her makeup, her cheeks sucked in and eyebrows raised, mouth straight across. I could almost smell her perfume through the walls. And I knew I wanted to run up there and crouch on the top step to peer at her, to see if she was in a good mood or a bad one, and whether she'd smile at me or pretend I wasn't there. She was frightening and amazing and I wanted to test her to see if she really was my mom and not just some lady who would always be better than the rest of us until she put on some sneakers.

[b i o n i c]

her cheeks sucked in and eyebrows raised, mouth straight across.


that's the puss face i was talking about. no offense.

[mickill]

Maybe you're just intimidated by podiatrically superior women.

[Nuzzolese]

that's the puss face i was talking about. no offense.

You hate my mom? You don't even exist in my mom's world. That's what would make her so powerful and cool and what I admire about the whole look. It looks so prissy and cold and dominating, like a queen or something, unreachable.

[Qdrop]

i really hope Nuzz is being satirical with her "love" for the pointy high heel and the women who wear them.



yes, bionic...i too loathe that trend.

[Nuzzolese]

I've never understood an aggressive offense taken by men, over fashion of the opposite sex. I don't care at all what men wear. I never notice it unless it looks excessively unusual. And even then, it wouldn't bother me because it really has nothing to do with me. So, the importance of women's fashion has seeped over so much into the men's culture that they now take an active stance in it?

[Qdrop]

It's just one look to go for. I usually wear silent flats because I like to go unnoticed and be able to make a break for it whenever I want to. But I occasionally wear them and in a way, I love the sound of it. It reminds me of when I was a little girl at home and my mother would be walking around upstairs on the wood floor and I could hear her stern heels say "thalk thalk thalk" all the way through the floors where they'd pierce me with apprehension and awe because I knew that she had her hair done and her makeup, her cheeks sucked in and eyebrows raised, mouth straight across. I could almost smell her perfume through the walls. And I knew I wanted to run up there and crouch on the top step to peer at her, to see if she was in a good mood or a bad one, and whether she'd smile at me or pretend I wasn't there. She was frightening and amazing and I wanted to test her to see if she really was my mom and not just some lady who would always be better than the rest of us until she put on some sneakers.

you weren't very close to your mom, were you?

[Nuzzolese]

i really hope Nuzz is being satirical with her "love" for the pointy high heel and the women who wear them.


No I'm being honest. I think it looks good sometimes. Why would you think I'm being satirical? The only reason I can gather for anyone to strongly dislike it is that it makes too much noise.

[mickill]

yes, bionic...i too loathe that trend.
You loathe all trends, though. You actually seem to loathe fashion altogether.

[b i o n i c]

podiatrically superior? this is just the man's way of keeping women down i tell you... keepin females limited! in so many ways womens fashion seems to want to render women inferior. that's probably more why im annoyed by it. like walking around on your tip toes all day or having to paint your face everyday to fit into standards or growing your fingernails long so you can't use your hands properly, i dont see heels as making a woman appear superior. ragnabbit!!!

[Nuzzolese]

you weren't very close to your mom, were you?

OH! Thank you for delving so deeply into my psyche and pulling out these hidden demons!! My mother and I get along well. I admire her.

[b i o n i c]

You hate my mom? You don't even exist in my mom's world. That's what would make her so powerful and cool and what I admire about the whole look. It looks so prissy and cold and dominating, like a queen or something, unreachable.


i didnt say that silly. i could care less.

[Nuzzolese]

podiatrically superior? this is just the man's way of keeping women down i tell you... keepin females limited! in so many ways womens fashion seems to want to render women inferior. that's probably more why im annoyed by it. like walking around on your tip toes all day or having to paint your face everyday to fit into standards or growing your fingernails long so you can't use your hands properly, i dont see heels as making a woman appear superior. ragnabbit!!!

So you hate it because you're a feminist?

[Nuzzolese]

i didnt say that silly. i could care less.

The title of the thread states you can't stand high heels or the chicks who wear them and stomp around. You seem to care.

[b i o n i c]

I've never understood an aggressive offense taken by men, over fashion of the opposite sex.


it only affects me if 1) some chick pollutes my environment with the sounds of her galloping or 2) if a girl im dating wants to wear them... i just think they're as ugly as shit, sorry. you wouldnt like your dude bein all ugly and crap... what if he decided to get a perm and grow out a huge ridiculous with a bushy beard. there you go

[Qdrop]

OH! Thank you for delving so deeply into my psyche and pulling out these hidden demons!! My mother and I get along well. I admire her.

hmm...mmm.

come sit on the couch, nuzz.
it's time you stopped lying to yourself.....

tell me your first memory of your mother...

[b i o n i c]

The title of the thread states you can't stand high heels or the chicks who wear them and stomp around. You seem to care.

i mean i could care less about existing in the world of someone who walks around with a puss-face. i know nothing about your mother

[Qdrop]

You loathe all trends, though. You actually seem to loathe fashion altogether.

i wanted to argue against that....



but you're right.
you nailed it.

[mickill]

Yeah, that one's Q-proof.

podiatrically superior? this is just the man's way of keeping women down i tell you... keepin females limited! in so many ways womens fashion seems to want to render women inferior. that's probably more why im annoyed by it. like walking around on your tip toes all day or having to paint your face everyday to fit into standards or growing your fingernails long so you can't use your hands properly, i dont see heels as making a woman appear superior. ragnabbit!!!


I think it's awful how so many men have been forced to wear nothing but GAP button-down collared denim shirts and quadruple-pleated khaki shorts with baseball caps and sports sandals.

[Nuzzolese]

it only affects me if 1) some chick pollutes my environment with the sounds of her galloping or 2) if a girl im dating wants to wear them... i just think they're as ugly as shit, sorry. you wouldnt like your dude bein all ugly and crap... what if he decided to get a perm and grow out a huge ridiculous with a bushy beard. there you go

So it only affects you and upsets you because you have sensitive ears, and you don't find the women attractive, personally. Why does that translate to you hating the whole thing as if it's a movement you're actively against on principle? There's more to this than you simply not finding it attractive to your personal aesthetic. You have some reason to be personally offended by all women who sport this fashion and style. You make assumptions about who they are and how they will treat you. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that because we judge people by their clothes and mannerisms and decided whether we'll like them or not for it. What is it that you are deciding about them, that's all I'm wondering. You think they're like, prissy and bitchy? And you hate that. I don't know, I delight in bitchy prissy girls in a way.

[mickill]

He secretly wants to pork them.

[ms.peachy]

I can't wait until I can wear shoes like these (http://www.getlippy.com/graphics/gallery/blackkittenbuckle.jpg) again *sigh*

[Nuzzolese]

i mean i could care less about existing in the world of someone who walks around with a puss-face. i know nothing about your mother

But you DO care, because they exist in your world. You do know about my mother, I just told you she wore heels and made noise with them. I don't care if you hate my mother, this isn't some competition to see who cares the least about whom. I just think you're not telling everything. Just admit it.

[Nuzzolese]

I think it's awful how so many men have been forced to wear nothing but GAP button-down collared denim shirts and quadruple-pleated khaki shorts with baseball caps and sports sandals.

They're being controlled by fashion, it's not fair. There are women who give them a hard time for looking differently.

[b i o n i c]

So it only affects you and upsets you because you have sensitive ears, and you don't find the women attractive, personally. Why does that translate to you hating the whole thing as if it's a movement you're actively against on principle? There's more to this than you simply not finding it attractive to your personal aesthetic. You have some reason to be personally offended by all women who sport this fashion and style. You make assumptions about who they are and how they will treat you. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that because we judge people by their clothes and mannerisms and decided whether we'll like them or not for it. What is it that you are deciding about them, that's all I'm wondering. You think they're like, prissy and bitchy? And you hate that. I don't know, I delight in bitchy prissy girls in a way.




goddamn it! they're loud and ugly! that's it! jeeeze

i dont secretly wish i could pork anyone.

[Nuzzolese]

goddamn it! they're loud and ugly! that's it! jeeeze

i dont secretly wish i could pork anyone.

They attack your delicate sensibilities! That's so cute!

Now see, I grew up with this! Imagine how horrifying! This is why I'm so jaded and tough. I'm a veteran.

[b i o n i c]

and the thing that i half jokingly said abougt women's fashion keepin 'em down... i was talking about the type that is physically constrictive or limiting. men's fashion doesnt seem to really do this outside of scotland. except those dudes prolly dont care who checks out their click-clacks.

[ms.peachy]

Ooh, I like these! (http://vivaladivacom.drct2u.com/productcache/VLD/BO1650/EX342DI_ORIGPO_0.html)

Ok yeah so I'm not paying so much attention to what youse guys are saying any more and mostly just surfing for pics of shoes I want to buy, sorry, but I get very easily distracted in this area, deal with it...

[Qdrop]

I think it's awful how so many men have been forced to wear nothing but GAP button-down collared denim shirts and quadruple-pleated khaki shorts with baseball caps and sports sandals.

i hunt them for sport.

[Nuzzolese]

bionic, this is about sex and you know it. Don't hide behind topics of respect for women and noise pollution.

[b i o n i c]

They attack your delicate sensibilities! That's so cute.


awww shucks thanks. i don't mind it when a chicks attacks my 'delicate sensibilities' so long as she's careful to not use her teeth. its about sex insofar as i would not bang a girl who's into them

[mickill]

i dont secretly wish i could pork anyone.
Yes you do.

Which explains the deepseated hate for women with flamboyant footwear. You probably tried complimenting them a few times like, "Mmmhmmm, honey. You got it goin on, gir'friend. Work it. Work it." *snap* And they probably just rolled their eyes at you, which made it ever so obvious that there would be no humping of said women. So you just gave up. And now you just sit there and pout about your "delicate sensibilities" and lack of "porking" action all day long.

[Nuzzolese]

I'm just having fun playing with you bionic. You know what annoys me? Gum smacking women and the way they chew and you can hear every little squish smack snap, then they somehow blow a little bubble in their mouths and you hear a loud CRACK. It's trashy. Ladies, don't chew gum in public and if you must, keep it quiet, with your mouth closed.

[instigator7022]

As long as no one is wearing these (http://www.bulletproofcupid.co.uk/assets/DBalletMedium/Ballet_2020_BlkPat.JPG) i can't complain.

[mickill]

Well, I'm not just having fun. I'm serious as malaria here.

[Nuzzolese]

Well, I'm not just having fun. I'm serious as malaria here.

That's pretty serious!

[mickill]

I'm serious as AIDS.

[b i o n i c]

You know what annoys me? Gum smacking women and the way they chew and you can hear every little squish smack snap, then they somehow blow a little bubble in their mouths and you hear a loud CRACK.



now there's the kind of women i secretly want to pork. you hear me, mickill? but i maintain that i don't secretly want to pork anyone because if i did, id tell them in between gum-smacks.

[ms.peachy]

I take shoes very seriously.

[abcdefz]

I'm just having fun playing with you bionic. You know what annoys me? Gum smacking women and the way they chew and you can hear every little squish smack snap, then they somehow blow a little bubble in their mouths and you hear a loud CRACK. It's trashy. Ladies, don't chew gum in public and if you must, keep it quiet, with your mouth closed.



That, and clomping, and the whole I'm-gonna-let-the-whole-neighborhood-hear-me-talking-smack thing. It's so funny when women do that in such a way that you know they think they're sexy. Hilarity ensues.

[Nuzzolese]

awww shucks thanks. i don't mind it when a chicks attacks my 'delicate sensibilities' so long as she's careful to not use her teeth. its about sex insofar as i would not bang a girl who's into them

No one cares if you've had a blow job once or twice in your life. Listen, it's about sex because these women seem domineering to you, to make noise, to assert themselves and be flamboyant and you obviously like to be on top, to be on a situation you can control, so you like natural girls who don't intimdate you and who don't flaunt their sexuality in ways other men would notice.

[Qdrop]

Mickill has AIDS?

[mickill]

I'm serious as the devastating impact the pulp and paper industry is having on the rain forests.

I don't like chicks that take less time to groom themselves than I do

[Nuzzolese]

That, and clomping, and the whole I'm-gonna-let-the-whole-neighborhood-hear-me-talking-smack thing. It's so funny when women do that in such a way that you know they think they're sexy. Hilarity ensues.

See, a women thinking she's sexy is all she needs to actually be sexy. Guys think sexy is how you look and how someone looks to you, becuase for guys that is sexy. But for women, sexy is all about how you feel and how someone makes you feel. So perception becomes reality when a woman thinks she's sexy, as far as she's concerned, she is. She's like a self controlled sex machine on auto-pilot, all systems sex.

[Qdrop]

yeah...

i think bionic just hates the sound they make.

that's it.
















and he wants to wear thier skin as a body suit.

[mickill]

Mickill has AIDS?
Yeah, you might not wanna use the water fountain after me.

[mickill]

See, a women thinking she's sexy is all she needs to actually be sexy.
Well, it helps if I think she's sexy, too.

[Qdrop]

See, a women thinking she's sexy is all she needs to actually be sexy. Guys think sexy is how you look and how someone looks to you, becuase for guys that is sexy. But for women, sexy is all about how you feel and how someone makes you feel. So perception becomes reality when a woman thinks she's sexy, as far as she's concerned, she is.

which is why women are idiots.



so if a tree falls in a forest, and the tree thinks it makes a sound...that's all that matters?

[Nuzzolese]

Well, it helps if I think she's sexy, too.

Naturally, cause you make her feeeel it. And then you can ask her if she feels how sexy you think she is.

[Qdrop]

Yeah, you might not wanna use the water fountain after me.

let alone that hyperdermic needle we shared...

[abcdefz]

See, a women thinking she's sexy is all she needs to actually be sexy.



I disagree. That's like Romans voting each other "Gods." Think you're a god all you want, but come talk to me when you've a planet or two.

[b i o n i c]

No one cares if you've had a blow job once or twice in your life. Listen, it's about sex because these women seem domineering to you, to make noise, to assert themselves and be flamboyant and you obviously like to be on top, to be on a situation you can control, natural girls who don't intimdate you and flaunt their sexuality in ways other men would notice.


three times if you count my fucking a hot tomato thankyouverymuch. i don't find clacking around in ridiculously long shoes an assertion upon me of their sexuality because it makes me think of things that have nothing to do with sex... its not sexy.

maybe that's what women who wear them are trying to do, assert their sexuality... but then i guess it would be them who are twisted. i guess it's about attention if you say that women wear ugly loud shoes to flaunt their sexuality in ways that men will notice. huh.

[Nuzzolese]

I disagree. That's like Romans voting each other "Gods." Think you're a god all you want, but come talk to me when you've a planet or two.

I don't think you or Q get it at all.

[Qdrop]

I don't think you or Q get it at all.

yeah, nuzz...it's us.

[mickill]

Sexy isn't a state of mind -- that's just what ugly people say (like poorly-endowed men who say it's what you can do with it that counts) -- it's a state of reality.

[Nuzzolese]

three times if you count my fucking a hot tomato thankyouverymuch. i don't find clacking around in ridiculously long shoes an assertion upon me of their sexuality because it makes me think of things that have nothing to do with sex... its not sexy.

maybe that's what women who wear them are trying to do, assert their sexuality... but then i guess it would be them who are twisted. i guess it's about attention if you say that women wear ugly loud shoes to flaunt their sexuality in ways that men will notice. huh.

Whatever reasons they do it, it doesn't matter. You just gather from it things about who they are sexually, like how bitchy they are or how excessive. So that's why you hate it, right? Because it reflects what you hate in women. Or something.

[Nuzzolese]

Perception is reality when it comes to how women feel about themselves. No matter how much you tell her she looks fine she won't be convinced until she feels it. How is this so illogical?

[Nuzzolese]

Sexy isn't a state of mind -- that's just what ugly people say (like poorly-endowed men who say it's what you can do with it that counts) -- it's a state of reality.

A state of reality caused by what you're thinking about yourself. Cause what's sexy changes from person to person. So to the woman who likes her high heels, she is sexy and that's reality, she doesn't suddenly become unsexy because some people don't like it.

[Qdrop]

Perception is reality when it comes to how women feel about themselves. No matter how much you tell her she looks fine she won't be convinced until she feels it. How is this so illogical?

how do you no SEE how illogical YOUR stance is?



eh...Mars/Venus....

[mickill]

Perception is reality when it comes to how women feel about themselves. No matter how much you tell her she looks fine she won't be convinced until she feels it. How is this so illogical?
That's true. But I think it takes two...to make a thing go right.

[Nuzzolese]

If I feel sexy, then as far as I'm concerned, I am. If you don't think so, then as far as you're concerned, I'm not. It's not empirical!

[abcdefz]

It's one thing to say "I feel sexy" and another thing to be sexy. People don't get to decide for themselves if they're sexy; that's a kind of public perception thing. For instance, if someone's onstage and no one's laughing at what they're saying, they'd be very hard put to make a claim that they are "funny." Maybe they are, and the audience just doesn't "get it," but if they go from town to town and no one's laughing, they probably don't have much of a case.

[Nuzzolese]

That's true. But I think it takes two...to make a thing go right.

So two people have to agree on one person being sexy, for her to be sexy? Okay that's cool. I agree. I mean, if no one is looking at a hot girl, is she still hot?

[abcdefz]

No no -- "If no one's looking at a hot girl and she falls down, does she make a sound?"

[Nuzzolese]

It's one thing to say "I feel sexy" and another thing to be sexy. People don't get to decide for themselves if they're sexy; that's a kind of public perception thing. For instance, if someone's onstage and no one's laughing at what they're saying, they'd be very hard put to make a claim that they are "funny."

Sexy is a public perception thing? I think that's so twisted. If one person is laughing then the person is funny to that one person, so you could say, that person is funny. But funny is different. Funny relies on a reaction from someone else, does sexiness also depend on a reaction from someone else?

[mickill]

It's definitely much more important what others think of you than what you think of yourself.

[Qdrop]

A state of reality caused by what you're thinking about yourself. Cause what's sexy changes from person to person. So to the woman who likes her high heels, she is sexy and that's reality, she doesn't suddenly become unsexy because some people don't like it.
nuzz, you really are talking like a fat person now....


standards of sexiness, while they may deviate slightly from culture to culture, have many UNIVERSAL STANDARDS. basic biology.

6'3, 185 lb women in pointy high heels are not going to be considered sexy by anyone, cept for some tiny, hunter gatherer tribe in New Guinie...or some pervert with a fetish.

standards are real. they have a grounding. there ARE benchmarks.
personal perception doesn't change that.

[Nuzzolese]

No no -- "If no one's looking at a hot girl and she falls down, does she make a sound?"

Yes, that's where I got the idea for what I said. Thankyou for following along, smartaysss.

[b i o n i c]

Because it reflects what you hate in women. Or something.

it reflects what i hate about women WHO WEAR SHOES LIKE THAT... maybe.



i HAAAAAAAATE THEM!!!!!!! AAAHAHRHRGHRGH!!!!!!! want... to... make... a... bodysuit... outta.. them. hate them... with all my passion.... and might

[Qdrop]

I mean, if no one is looking at a hot girl, is she still hot?

yes.

[Sarky Devotchka]

I don't like it when a girl is clomping around awkwardly in heels. this lady at the place I tutor walks around like an elephant in her heels. I mean, the shoes are cute, her suits fit her well (which is a challenge because she has a huge flat wide ass), but when I hear that clack clomp on the wood floor upstairs it just resonates and makes me feel like she's going to come crashing through the floor.

I admire classy ladies, and every now and again I can be one...but I don't like being uncomfortable.

heels are sex on a stick though, there's no two ways about it. you just have to know how to walk in them.

[Nuzzolese]

nuzz, you really are talking like a fat person now....


standards of sexiness, while they may deviate slightly from culture to culture, have many UNIVERSAL STANDARDS. basic biology.

6'3, 185 lb women in pointy high heels are not going to be considered sexy by anyone, cept for some tiny, hunter gatherer tribe in New Guinie...or some pervert with a fetish.

standards are real. they have a grounding. there ARE benchmarks.
personal perception doesn't change that.

But there are models who are tall and muscular with pointy heels and they are "sexy"

Why do you insist that biology is all about the visual? Wouldn't the biology of sexual arousal also depend on someone's state of mind, and hormones triggered by nonvisual stimulus?

[Nuzzolese]

yes.

That contradicts what you said about sexiness being dependant on others to validate it.

[Nuzzolese]

it reflects what i hate about women WHO WEAR SHOES LIKE THAT... maybe.


I was trying to go DEEPER.

[b i o n i c]

im a very shallow person.

[mickill]

So two people have to agree on one person being sexy, for her to be sexy? Okay that's cool. I agree. I mean, if no one is looking at a hot girl, is she still hot?
A person's level of sexiness isn't determined by who sees them. It is what it is. People either are or they aren't. But if I'm the only one that thinks that I'm sexy, and everyone else thinks I'm hideous, I don't think that what I think would matter all that much to me anymore.

[Nuzzolese]

It's not like I can convince you that something is sexy if you don't think it is. I'm just saying, to other people, it is sexy to wear heels. And not all out-of-the-norm sexual devices are perversions, you puritans!

[Qdrop]

But there are models who are tall and muscular with pointy heels and they are "sexy" and 185 lbs? yeah, name one...anywhere...

there are none. in any country, on any large platform.

Why do you insist that biology is all about the visual? Wouldn't the biology of sexual arousal also depend on someone's state of mind, and hormones triggered by nonvisual stimulus? partly...but to deny that sexuality is not primarily visual is just ignorant.
i don't mean that as an insult...just that you have not read much about it.

visual cues set EVERYHTING off...and they have REAL MEASURED benchmarks that we appeal most to.

sexy is in the genes...in the physical appearance based against the evolved standard.
it's not in the grey matter of the individual.

[beastiegirrl101]

heels are sex on a stick though, there's no two ways about it. you just have to know how to walk in them.

nothing worse than seeing a girl all awkward walking in heals because she has no clue how to walk in them.

[abcdefz]

Sexy is a public perception thing? I think that's so twisted. If one person is laughing then the person is funny to that one person, so you could say, that person is funny. But funny is different. Funny relies on a reaction from someone else, does sexiness also depend on a reaction from someone else?



"Sexy" seems to fall on the meaurement of attraction, which would usually mean more than one person involved. I mean, I guess if, in your own private Idaho, you're picking your nose and thinking "this is so sexy!" you could certainly make a claim that you turned yourself on. So maybe this is one of those things like Eskimos have with snow -- we should have a word for "sexy" which means "I --

Well, I just looked it up, and the basic definition is

"marked by or tending to arouse sexual desire or interest; "feeling sexy"; "sexy clothes"; "sexy poses"; "a sexy book"; "sexy jokes"
# aphrodisiac: exciting sexual desire.


...so, that "tending" is the word that hangs me up. "Tending" to arouse yourself, or the human race? "Tending".... wouldn't that mean "across the board"? I don't know who would tend to arouse everybody.

But, yeah... I still think it would sexy would mean that you'd be more or less sexually attractive to most people. Stephen Hawking can feel sexy all he wants to and it'll never change the fact that he's not.

[Nuzzolese]

A person's level of sexiness isn't determined by who sees them. It is what it is. People either are or they aren't. But if I'm the only one that thinks that I'm sexy, and everyone else thinks I'm hideous, I don't think that what I think would matter all that much to me anymore.

Okay, so it takes two. I agree with you. But if it is what it is, where does it come from if not from the indivudual and if not from others? Sexiness is the ability to arouse others sexually, not just the self. And that's it. How humdrum. Oh well, where are my heels?!

[mickill]

I think it's sexy when a chick shaves her name onto her back hair.

[Nuzzolese]

Stephen Hawking can feel sexy all he wants to and it'll never change the fact that he's not.

But he is, to himself.

[Sarky Devotchka]

wait, stephen hawking is sexy! come on!

[Qdrop]

That contradicts what you said about sexiness being dependant on others to validate it.

the standards arose from millions of years of evolution...based on traits the show health and virility....
i suppose you could fish out some kind of validation philosophy out of that...but it's not that simple.

none-the-less...the universal standard is there....whether there is someone to witness it at this point or not.

[Nuzzolese]

and 185 lbs? yeah, name one...anywhere...

there are none. in any country, on any large platform.

partly...but to deny that sexuality is not primarily visual is just ignorant.
i don't mean that as an insult...just that you have not read much about it.

visual cues set EVERYHTING off...and they have REAL MEASURED benchmarks that we appeal most to.

sexy is in the genes...in the physical appearance based against the evolved standard.
it's not in the grey matter of the individual.

I don't think women are as visual as men. I think it is in the gray matter. And this 185 lbs thing, you're getting off on some random detail that YOU threw in back there.

[Nuzzolese]

the standards arose from millions of years of evolution...based on traits the show health and vurility....
i suppose you could fish out some kind of validation philosophy out of that...but it's not that simple.

none-the-less...the universal standard is there....whether there is someone to witness it at this point or not.

I thought high heels WERE the universal standard of sexiness.

[Nuzzolese]

I'm getting tired of this when it's not delving into bionic's motives.

[mickill]

Okay, so it takes two. I agree with you. But if it is what it is, where does it come from if not from the indivudual and if not from others? Sexiness is the ability to arouse others sexually, not just the self. And that's it. How humdrum. Oh well, where are my heels?!
Dammit man!

We're saying the same thing! It's like I'm flying the plane and you're manning the 20mm machine gun in the tail and you just keep spinning the entire way around and shooting at the cockpit.

[Qdrop]

And this 185 lbs thing, you're getting off on some random detail that YOU threw in back there. and that YOU ignored shortly after.

that's your fault.

[abcdefz]

..."sexy" is no time for relativism, unless it's almost closing time and it still looks like you're going home alone.

[abcdefz]

...which, I've heard, can happen.

[Nuzzolese]

Dammit man!

We're saying the same thing! It's like I'm flying the plane and you're manning the 20mm machine gun in the tail and you just keep spinning the entire way around and shooting at the cockpit.

Alright, alright! Where's the target?

[Nuzzolese]

and that YOU ignored shortly after.

that's your fault.

Because it was stupid.

[Qdrop]

I thought high heels WERE the universal standard of sexiness.

probably...due to the curvature they induce in the calf and the lenghtening of the leg...all evolved standards of sexual health.

sexuality must have a purpose. a measured, tangible, explorable purpose.
from there, you can assertain levels of sexuality based on the success against those purposes....

[Nuzzolese]

..."sexy" is no time for relativism, unless it's almost closing time and it still looks like you're going home alone.

When only a tiny handful of people think you're sexy, you're whole life is closing time and the prospect of going home alone.

[Qdrop]

Because it was stupid.

no. "185 lbs" was the kicker.
it was the main point.

gigantic 185 lb women are not considered particularly sexy on any large scale ANYWHERE....why is that?
use that same answer as to why other things are sexy or not sexy.


YOU missed the point, sweetheart....don't blaim me.

[abcdefz]

It's lonely being sexy.

[Nuzzolese]

probably...due to the curvature they induce in the calf and the lenghtening of the leg...all evolved standards of sexual health.

sexuality must have a purpose. a measured, tangible, explorable purpose.
from there, you can assertain levels of sexuality based on the success against those purposes....

I'm not asking why they are the standard, or what their purpose is. I know that. Bionic doesn't think they're sexy though. (this in no way is intended to support any argument on my part)

[abcdefz]

...so lonely...

[Nuzzolese]

no. "185 lbs" was the kicker.
it was the main point.

gigantic 185 lb women are not considered particularly sexy on any large scale ANYWHERE....why is that?
use that same answer as to why other things are sexy or not sexy.


YOU missed the point, sweetheart....don't blaim me.

You're right, I am missing your point. You are saying that if something isn't sexy on a large scale then that negates its possibility for being sexy at all. And then abcdefz said the definition of sexy was large scale appeal. So then, I guess my sexiness isn't up to me or another individual, it's up to the rest of the world. So if two people find each other sexy, and they believe it and get aroused and such - but no one else finds them sexy, then no where in the universe - even in their relationship in their own minds - are they sexy. Their perceptions are delusions. That's fine.

[abcdefz]

...so very lonely...

[b i o n i c]

in the time since my last post i've murdered 42 heel clackers.

[Nuzzolese]

Hey, do you guys want me to talk about my mom some more? Because that was fun. Remember that?

[na§tee]

oooh i strongly dislike pointy shoes. only really short, skinny women can get away with them.
i have to have full rounded shoes. even with sneakers. they have to be a very particular rounded shape at the end. with heels too, not that i wear them.
the point boots are the worst, ugh!

[mickill]

Hey, do you guys want me to talk about my mom some more? Because that was fun. Remember that?
I think it was more fun when this thread was about bionic's hatred of women.

[ms.peachy]

Q, I gotta say, I love these kind of threads where you wig out and continue blundering along, convinced for all the world that you're so ablsolutely right that surely everyone can see it, and that it's the other person who looks like an ass.

Nice work, Nuzz (y)

[b i o n i c]

I think it was more fun when this thread was about bionic's hatred of women.



i hate them so damn much *pounds fist* all women including my mother and mother teresa.



i don't hate women at all. i am a huge lover and supporter of all things women and feminine except pointy high-heels and short curly hair.

[mickill]

Q, I gotta say, I love these kind of threads where you wig out and continue blundering along, convinced for all the world that you're so ablsolutely right that surely everyone can see it, and that it's the other person who looks like an ass.

Nice work, Nuzz (y)
Hey I don't think all the credit should go to just Nuzz.

Afterall, if a post falls in the thread and no one is there to read it, Qdrop did still make those asinine comments.

[Nuzzolese]

Q, I gotta say, I love these kind of threads where you wig out and continue blundering along, convinced for all the world that you're so ablsolutely right that surely everyone can see it, and that it's the other person who looks like an ass.

Nice work, Nuzz (y)

Hey, I thought you weren't even reading it!

[cookiepuss]

i hate them so damn much *pounds fist* all women including my mother and mother teresa.



i don't hate women at all. i am a huge lover and supporter of all things women and feminine except pointy high-heels and short curly hair.

now you've gone too far! what's wrong with short curly hair? I've seen some lovely girls with short curly hair!

[abcdefz]

...I have a Hitchcock-filming-Jimmy Stewart-watching-Kim Novack-try-on-pumps fetish.

It's sexy. (y)

[abcdefz]

[ms.peachy]

Hey, I thought you weren't even reading it!
I wasn't on page 2, when I went offline. But then I came back and saw it had gone to 4 pages, and figured soemthing good must have happened in my absence.

[Nuzzolese]

I'm just trying to make this place fun and interesting...for myself.

[Nuzzolese]

I wasn't on page 2, when I went offline. But then I came back and saw it had gone to 4 pages, and figured soemthing good must have happened in my absence.

Nope, not really. Nothing to see here. Move along. These aren't the droids you're looking for.

[Sarky Devotchka]

I don't really like this whole 185 pounds thing. 6'3" and 185lbs? I mean, yeah, that's a big girl, but it's not like she'd necessarily be disgusting to everyone. It's like an old SNL skit where they were mocking Ricki Lake and this lady came out all padded and "fat" yelling "I'm sexy, all 185 pounds of me!" and then stuck out her "butt" and danced around. But I've weighed more than that and wasn't a big huge fatty big butt. I have big bones and muscles though. AND A GIGANTIC HEAD.

oh yeah, so, in college my friends and I would deem people "sexy" or "frumpy" all the time. it had to do with how you carried yourself, not just looks. and hardly anyone wore heels in the late 90's anyway.

[ms.peachy]

I'm just trying to make this place fun and interesting...for myself.

But if there's no public consensus on whether or not it's fun and interesting, and only you think it's fun and interesting, is it still sexy?

[Nuzzolese]

But if there's no public consensus on whether or not it's fun and interesting, and only you think it's fun and interesting, is it still sexy?

If it's me? Absolutely. Well, depends on my footwear.

In any case. I get it. Thanks.

[cookiepuss]

short and curly that I doubt anyone would mind... (http://www.curly-hair-styles-magazine.com/images/cute-short-haircuts-for-curly-hair-15.jpg)

come on bionic, that's a nice short curly style right?

[b i o n i c]

now you've gone too far! what's wrong with short curly hair? I've seen some lovely girls with short curly hair!


there are exceptions out there, but in most cases... you know.

i wouldnt consider that curly hair. i was thinking more "pat" from snl


there are some hot ass 185 lb women out there... the young anna nichole had to be up there and damn was she a piece

[na§tee]

i had no idea a debate was going on in this thread when i posted.
i haven't read all of it but damn yo, 185 pounds? i've googled and that's only like 13.2 stone in my country's weight-o-meter! that's like.. normal! curvy, but normal! hot damn. i am around that, i would say. i don't really know. maybe a lil bit less - by half a stone/a stone. who knows? and i am SEXY! honest. i would also say that the 2006-model tyra banks is almost 185 pounds too.

[abcdefz]

...you're referencing a Q-drop protest, I hope you know.

[mickill]

Speaking of which, I watched a little of (ok, two hours of) America's Next Top Model last night, and I wanna know, what's up with the crackheads?

[Qdrop]

Q, I gotta say, I love these kind of threads where you wig out and continue blundering along, convinced for all the world that you're so ablsolutely right that surely everyone can see it, and that it's the other person who looks like an ass. an empty attack.
you know i'm making more sense than nuzz's "i'm good cause i say i am" claptrap.

Nice work, Nuzz (y)
transparent feminist cat-scratching.

[Qdrop]

I don't really like this whole 185 pounds thing. 6'3" and 185lbs? I mean, yeah, that's a big girl, but it's not like she'd necessarily be disgusting to everyone. It's like an old SNL skit where they were mocking Ricki Lake and this lady came out all padded and "fat" yelling "I'm sexy, all 185 pounds of me!" and then stuck out her "butt" and danced around. But I've weighed more than that and wasn't a big huge fatty big butt. I have big bones and muscles though. AND A GIGANTIC HEAD.

oh yeah, so, in college my friends and I would deem people "sexy" or "frumpy" all the time. it had to do with how you carried yourself, not just looks. and hardly anyone wore heels in the late 90's anyway.

if you wieghed 185 lbs, you weren't sexy.
end.of.story.

[b i o n i c]

do they still have that dilly black dude who shows the 'models' how to walk in big pointy heels? wally ninja is it?

[na§tee]

Speaking of which, I watched a little of (ok, two hours of) America's Next Top Model last night, and I wanna know, what's up with the crackheads?
crackheads? meh??! oooh, which series is this? do you have a new one in america? i am a total antm judging whore. intrigued i am..

[Qdrop]

i had no idea a debate was going on in this thread when i posted.
i haven't read all of it but damn yo, 185 pounds? i've googled and that's only like 13.2 stone in my country's weight-o-meter! that's like.. normal! curvy, but normal! hot damn. i am around that, i would say. i don't really know. maybe a lil bit less - by half a stone/a stone. who knows? and i am SEXY! honest. i would also say that the 2006-model tyra banks is almost 185 pounds too.

she's like 150-160, and tall.

and she's pushing the limit a little.

[ms.peachy]

an empty attack.
you know i'm making more sense than nuzz's "i'm good cause i say i am" claptrap.
transparent feminist cat-scratching.
Of course. Who could argue, when your rightness is so very evident for all to see?

Don't you go changin', kiddo. I like you just the way you are.

[na§tee]

what "limit"?
i am tall, nearly 6 foot also. i bet sarky is too.
how can you say "if you weighed 185 pounds, you are not sexy"?
that is total horseshit! maybe not to you, but i hestitate to ponder whether you speak for the millions of other men on planet earth some of which no doubt find her a very sexy beast.

[ms.peachy]

what "limit"?
i am tall, nearly 6 foot also. i bet sarky is too.
how can you say "if you weighed 185 pounds, you are not sexy"?
that is total horseshit! maybe not to you, but i hestitate to ponder whether you speak for the millions of other men on planet earth some of which no doubt find her a very sexy beast.
Wrong nastee. Wrong wrong wrong. Can't you see how wrong you are? Because you're wrong, you just so very wrong. Sheesh. It's so obvious.

[mickill]

Tyra's pushing the limit? In size? I know you're used to the petite thing, man, but you're talking ridiculous here.

Yeah, na§tee, Cycle 6 has started. I think I found maybe two or three of the girls attractive and was almost afraid of all the others. One girl could have literally used a wristwatch for a belt. She was sent home and DESTROYED early on, though.

[Qdrop]

Of course. Who could argue, when your rightness is so very evident for all to see?

Don't you go changin', kiddo. I like you just the way you are.

you're attempts at satire/patronization are lot more tiresome then my egotistical ramblings.

[ms.peachy]

you're attempts at satire/patronization are lot more tiresome then my egotistical ramblings.
Hey! You're right about that too! My god but you're good.

[Qdrop]

what "limit"?
i am tall, nearly 6 foot also. i guess that helps...
but to be 185 lbs and not be fat...you must be pure amazon.

i bet sarky is too. no idea.

how can you say "if you weighed 185 pounds, you are not sexy"?
that is total horseshit! maybe not to you, but i hestitate to ponder whether you speak for the millions of other men on planet earth some of which no doubt find her a very sexy beast. Tyra? yes. she don't wieght 185.

but do most men think very tall 185 lbs are the def. of sexy....
hey, you do your own poll.

[DapperDiverge]

now these shoes are
sexy (http://www.soletech.com/soletech/advancefootwear.shtml) :cool:

[na§tee]

Wrong nastee. Wrong wrong wrong. Can't you see how wrong you are? Because you're wrong, you just so very wrong. Sheesh. It's so obvious.
oh yeah, i forgot about that. i am immediately wrong. so very very wrong. so wrong it aches in my total being. imma go an eat some dinner now... wait, that's probably wrong too, i gotta lose some weight!
i'm not even gonna start the cycle of "wrong" replies to his "right" statements of TRUTH anymore, oh nooo!
i'll stay here in my corner of wrong-ness.

[b i o n i c]

well q ... of course we know you like your women not so tall. me... i dont really have a type, but super tall (6'+) is kinda (n)

[Qdrop]

Tyra's pushing the limit? In size? I know you're used to the petite thing, man, but you're talking ridiculous here.

dude, i think Tyra is hot. i do.
i like curvy girls.
i have never dated anything BUT curvy girls.

Tyra, however...is pretty much at my limit for size...any bigger, and the sexy meter starts to suffer.


come on, mike...drop the pretentious bullshit. stop pandering to the masses here...
do you honestly think the majority of men in ANY culture typically find 185 lb + women to be "sexy".

[Qdrop]

well q ... of course we know you like your women not so tall. me... i dont really have a type, but super tall (6'+) is kinda (n)

actually...before jenny...my previous girlfiends have all been within 5'7-5'11.

and all were quite curvy and full figured....but not fat.

i don't date sticks.

[mickill]

What about some 8'7" 650 lb type of "bigger" guy? Surely he might enjoy the presence of a 6'1" 200lb lady, no? You're not thinking about everyone here, Q.

[b i o n i c]

i was going by your "my gf is so short" thread. boney chicks dont do it for me either. and yes... i too would split tyra in half.

[mickill]

I really don't think 185 lbs is out of control, though, Q. I've known some girls who were like 5'8" and about that weight and they looked fine. It's all in how the weight is distributed.

I prefer that about 40 of those pounds be in the JUGS!

[ms.peachy]

Q why don't you have a look at these women (http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/flat3.asp?id=2287) and tell me which ones are acceptable and sexy and which ones aren't, OK? Because I'm labouring under the delusion that they're all A-OK, even the three that look like they are probably in the 160-190 range. So set me straight, OK?

[b i o n i c]

i'd do all 6 of them starting from right to left.

and i agree



I prefer that about 40 of those pounds be in the JUGS!

[mickill]

Do these (http://www.upn.com/shows/top_model6/) ones when you're done, Q.

[Nuzzolese]

Fashion and trends change, but does sexiness? I think it must, because ideals about femininity change.

bionic; When someone doesn't meet your standards of attractive style, do you think you're more likely to be forgiving and accepting of men or of women?

I mean, a lot of girls criticize each other but accept more variety in men.

[cosmo105]

if you wieghed 185 lbs, you weren't sexy.
end.of.story.
hah, thanks. i was 185 pounds once at this height. you're such a catch, q.

[abcdefz]

...I was going downstairs just minutes ago as a fairly sexy woman was coming up, and I very nearly blurted out, "Hey! You're about 185 pounds, aren't you?"

That's probably not a good way to introduce oneself.

[mickill]

Fashion and trends change, but does sexiness? I think it must, because ideals about femininity change.

bionic; When someone doesn't meet your standards of attractive style, do you think you're more likely to be forgiving and accepting of men or of women?

I mean, a lot of girls criticize each other but accept more variety in men.
The typical archetype for attractive women changes by decade. In the 50's a lot of models weighed more than two 90's models put together.

[b i o n i c]

Fashion and trends change, but does sexiness? I think it must, because ideals about femininity change.

bionic; When someone doesn't meet your standards of attractive style, do you think you're more likely to be forgiving and accepting of men or of women?

I mean, a lot of girls criticize each other but accept more variety in men.

forgiving as in what i think to myself? probably both equally


DEEPER

[ms.peachy]

You know, I really am glad this came up today. Because mr.p and I were just talking the other day about how now that we're going to have a daughter and all, we really hope that we can teach her that what's most important is how she feels about herself, and that her value and self esteem should come from within, and how we hope we can equip her to be confident, smart, and saavy. But of course, that's all a load of crap. What's really important is that we make sure she knows boys won't like her if she's not skinny. I mean, what the hell were we thinking with that hippie dippie garbage?

[cosmo105]

regarding the subject at hand: i also do not like extremely pointy shoes. just seeing them puts me in pain. i do love kitten toes, mules, and a bevvy of other heels...and i look pretty awesome in them. however, i'm a klutz and can't walk in them very well. so i just don't do them. i have one pair of heels that's really comfortable and has a really, really low heel, and that's about all i can do. and then there's my second-best friend that feels more comfortable in heels than sneakers. her feet must look like potatoes.

[Qdrop]

Q why don't you have a look at these women (http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/flat3.asp?id=2287) and tell me which ones are acceptable and sexy and which ones aren't, OK? Because I'm labouring under the delusion that they're all A-OK, even the three that look like they are probably in the 160-190 range. So set me straight, OK?

the first 3 are just too big for me....not disgusting. but just too big...alot of that seems to be with thier overall height an frame, though.

the last 3 are perfect.

[monkey]

ms. peachy: i hope you let her dress in skin baring outfits by the time she's 10. otherwise, she wont have any friends.


(i bet youre gonna be a great mommy, peachy)

[Qdrop]

hah, thanks. i was 185 pounds once at this height.
what's your point?

[b i o n i c]

make sure you get her super pointy high-heels like now. because everyone knows that high-heels are women's way of asserting themselves.



sez nuzz

[cosmo105]

You know, I really am glad this came up today. Because mr.p and I were just talking the other day about how now that we're going to have a daughter and all, we really hope that we can teach her that what's most important is how she feels about herself, and that her value and self esteem should come from within, and how we hope we can equip her to be confident, smart, and saavy. But of course, that's all a load of crap. What's really important is that we make sure she knows boys won't like her if she's not skinny. I mean, what the hell were we thinking with that hippie dippie garbage?
oh god, totally. you shouldn't worry about encouraging her to be artistic or expressive or well-read. just tell her that she needs to watch her carbs.

[Qdrop]

The typical archetype for attractive women changes by decade. In the 50's a lot of models weighed more than two 90's models put together.

betty page was fuckin hawt!

[Nuzzolese]

make sure you get her super pointy high-heels like now. because everyone knows that high-heels are women's way of asserting themselves.

It's not the only way, it's just one of the loudest ways.

[cosmo105]

what's your point?
you said i wasn't sexy. that's not exactly a compliment.

granted, i was going through a very rough patch (hence the poundage) and certainly didn't feel sexy. see, i'm not exactly curvy. i have a kind of boyish frame. which is fine at 140 lbs now, but at 185, i wasn't too proud of it. eh, i guess i don't really care what you think about my body anyway. i have stretch marks. aren't i gross?

[b i o n i c]

oh yeah and make sure to teach her how to walk loudly. that's how you assert your assertiveness.

[Nuzzolese]

I still maintain that sexy can be all mental and talking and flattery and making someone else feel sexy and it's not all in how you look. And I like heels with points. And there can't be a constant sexy and not sexy because perceptions and standards change, although I do now agree and understand what you duders were saying about how there is a definite empirical sexy or not sexy in a single moment.

[cosmo105]

steger's starting to think our neighbors have a sex swing.

[Nuzzolese]

oh yeah and make sure to teach her how to walk loudly. that's how you assert your assertiveness.

Indeed! Hey, you try being the more physically victimized gender and feeling vulnerable while walking alone, and then you might try to make yourself seem unstoppable and invincible too.

[Qdrop]

But of course, that's all a load of crap. What's really important is that we make sure she knows boys won't like her if she's not skinny. I mean, what the hell were we thinking with that hippie dippie garbage?

and here is what i don't get about all of you right now...and about this part of th debate...

why do you HAVE to be sexy?
so the standard for sexiness tends to be under "185lbs" (or whatever).

so some of you are over 185lbs....so what?

so you're not the standard of sexiness...big fuckin deal. you just sarcasmed-the-fuck out of what matter most ("we really hope that we can teach her that what's most important is how she feels about herself, and that her value and self esteem should come from within, and how we hope we can equip her to be confident, smart, and saavy.")
so why not accept that "okay..so i'm not sexy...fuckin bite me".

but no.
instead, women such as this must ATTACK the standard of "what's sexy"...and demand that THEY be included in it.

it's funny...the same women who attack the body-watching fashionites' self centeredness and "value of appearance"....are the same women who try and force the standards to include them, so they can be part of it.
hypocrisy.

[monkey]

im a cow. i want you to know that q. i have big hips, big boobs, jiggly thighs and a jiggly belly... and yet, so many people find me attractive. attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder. and maybe you think im gross looking, but i know that my bf loves it, and im sure many other guys love it. as well i love it. i look fantastic in a dress. but i never wear pointy shoes. i like wedges.

[mickill]

betty page was fuckin hawt!
Well, I have news for you, sir. Betty Page was about 4'11" and weighed close to 190 lbs.

[cosmo105]

what?

that's so flawed. "sexy" is a matter of taste. just like "beautiful." why would anyone, regardless of size, be complacent to accept "i'm not sexy, and that's just how it is" and just take it? it's a very human need to feel desired. even fatties get dick, man.

[Nuzzolese]

I think I've been thinking of the term "sexy" in a different light than you have, Q.

[cosmo105]

Well, I have news for you, sir. Betty Page was about 4'11" and weighed close to 190 lbs.
yep. she was quite large. any images you see of her today that aren't real photographs portray her as this svelte amazon. she was short and wide, and downright flabby. her body wasn't all that fantastic. it was her attitude that made her sexy.

[Nuzzolese]

what?

that's so flawed. "sexy" is a matter of taste. just like "beautiful." why would anyone, regardless of size, be complacent to accept "i'm not sexy, and that's just how it is" and just take it? it's a very human need to feel desired. even fatties get dick, man.

He means they should accept that they're not the STANDARD or whatever. He's all about standards. Where would we be without them? We must know where we stand on the continuum of quality.

[Qdrop]

im a cow. i want you to know that q. i have big hips, big boobs, jiggly thighs and a jiggly belly... and yet, so many people find me attractive. attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder. and maybe you think im gross looking, but i know that my bf loves it, and im sure many other guys love it. as well i love it. i look fantastic in a dress. but i never wear pointy shoes. i like wedges.

when have i said that big hips, big boobs, and thick thighs and belly are gross?
when have i EVER said you were gross?

don't paint me into a corner...don't make ME into the "evil, model obsessed male" and attack me as such. that ain't me, sister.

[b i o n i c]

but i never wear pointy shoes.


Yussssssssss!!! (y)

[mickill]

I think what Q is trying to say here is that everyone is sexy in their own unique and special way.

[cosmo105]

He means they should accept that they're not the STANDARD or whatever. He's all about standards. Where would we be without them? We must know where we stand on the continuum of quality.
pff. i'm definitely not the standard of sexy. i'm built like a hamster. but i still get laid.

[abcdefz]

you are a beautiful and unique snowflake!

[Nuzzolese]

I get it now. It's like, if you were asked to describe yourself, you wouldn't say "sexy" just because you arouse your boyfriend. You'd only say "sexy" if you arouse lot's of people's boyfriends. So it's like you'd say "I am not a sexy person, but I can be sexy if the lighting is right and he drank enough and he likes me...." yah for sure from sveden?

[Nuzzolese]

Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

Why was it so important that sexy Tyler Durden/ Brad Pitt (sex symbol) be saying that?

[cosmo105]

I get it now. It's like, if you were asked to describe yourself, you wouldn't say "sexy" just because you arouse your boyfriend. You'd only say "sexy" if you arouse lot's of people's boyfriends. So it's like you'd say "I am not a sexy person, but I can be sexy if the lighting is right and he drank enough and he likes me...." yah for sure from sveden?
ja for sure?

i dunno. i mean, sure, i don't have the best self-image. i don't think i'm particularly sexy. my boyfriend seems to think so, but obviously he's biased. but doesn't his opinion count? i guess i think of myself as more "cute" than "sex goddess." it's easier to pull off. you can go from sexy to skankenstein real quick.

[abcdefz]

Why was it so important that sexy Tyler Durden/ Brad Pitt (sex symbol) be saying that?



It makes the ironic nihilism more thorough.

[mickill]

And because if Meat Loaf said it, people would be like, "Um, according to your standards or those of someone who isn't FAT and GROSS? LOL!"

[cosmo105]

It makes the ironic nihilism more thorough.
very true. he is attractive to many women (and men) and is seen as beautiful, so HIM saying that - the sculpture calling itself trash - is, like, deep and shit.

[cosmo105]

And because if Meat Loaf said it, people would be like, "Um, according to your standards or those of someone who isn't FAT and GROSS? LOL!"
yeah but like 60 pounds of him in that movie were some amazing jugs.

[mickill]

Ooh. True.

Props, Meat Loaf. Props for that amazing rack, man.

[Qdrop]

I get it now. It's like, if you were asked to describe yourself, you wouldn't say "sexy" just because you arouse your boyfriend. You'd only say "sexy" if you arouse lot's of people's boyfriends. So it's like you'd say "I am not a sexy person, but I can be sexy if the lighting is right and he drank enough and he likes me...." yah for sure from sveden?

why not just say "i'm smart, successfull, nice...ect"

why must sexy even be considered?
why should you care?

if you got a man...fuck it.

that doesn't make you sexy.
but it should you make not really give a shit if you are the standard for sexy...
your worth isn't dictated by your adherance to a sexy standard.

if you think that...then the models have already won.
get it?

[Qdrop]

Ooh. True.

Props, Meat Loaf. Props for that amazing rack, man.

nah, he weighs more than 185....

[Qdrop]

He means they should accept that they're not the STANDARD or whatever. He's all about standards. Where would we be without them? We must know where we stand on the continuum of quality.

without order, there is chaos.

wanting something to be true, don't make it so.

[cosmo105]

why not just say "i'm smart, successfull, nice...ect"

why must sexy even be considered?
why should you care?

if you got a man...fuck it.

that doesn't make you sexy.
but it should make not really give a shit if you are the standard for sexy...
your worth isn't dictated by your adherance to a sexy standard.

if you think that...then the models have already won.
get it?
this is pretty confusing. if you have a man, then who cares if you're sexy, or it doesn't matter if he thinks you're sexy? what?

you're not addressing the point that it's unfair for you to leave bigger people (and let's face it, most of america is) out of the "sexy" in-group. excluding them just because YOU, or what you conceive most people like you, don't think they're "sexy" is faulty logic.

and being nice and successful and smart and funny and all that other shit is good. all good qualities. but you can't tell someone, "it's okay that you're overweight and not sexy. look how good of a job you have, and how bright you are! i'd never fuck you, but damn you're driven!" sexy is important, damnit. even when i was overweight, and didn't feel sexy, i still cared about being sexy to the people to whom it mattered.

[hpdrifter]

I didn't read the whole thread, I just wanted to say that I agree with everything Nuzz said on page one, especially the stuff about her mom.

It took me a long time to get on the pointy shoe bandwagon. Even now I only have one pair with a slightly lower heel, but I like them.

[Qdrop]

this is pretty confusing. if you have a man, then who cares if you're sexy, or it doesn't matter if he thinks you're sexy? what? if you got a man who loves, whether or not he thinks you're the standard of sexy...or if you are or not.
it's just so shallow to care much.
there are so many other things to concentrate on..

you're not addressing the point that it's unfair for you to leave bigger people (and let's face it, most of america is) out of the "sexy" in-group. fair, doesn't matter.
why put sensitivety over truth?

excluding them just because YOU, or what you conceive most people like you, don't think they're "sexy" is faulty logic. so you think these standards are just a pile of Qdrop-poo? i'm just making this up?

give this a watch when you got time:
http://tlc.discovery.com/tvlistings/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=24519&gid=0&channel=TLC
"it's okay that you're overweight and not sexy. look how good of a job you have, and how bright you are! what's wrong with that?

well, i mean...the health issue with being significantly overweight is an issue.

i'd never fuck you, then forget me. why do i matter?

you only matter if you get fucked?

[cosmo105]

if you got a man who loves, whether or not he thinks you're the standard of sexy...or if you are or not.
it's just so shallow to care much.
there are so many other things to concentrate on..

but if you don't have a man, then you're shit out of luck? so let's see..if a man finds me sexy, i'm sexy. but if i'm single and 186 pounds, regardless of how amazing i can be in the sack, i'm unsexy. huh.

and you're right, it shouldn't matter whether or not other people find us sexy. but we're human beings, and we need that reassurance, regardless of how confident we are in our own sexae-osity.

interesting discussion, all. sometimes all of you can be a real treat.

[fucktopgirl]

high-heels suck!Ugly,uncomfortable and really not natural.I prefer to wear my ethnies shoes or sandals.You can be sexy without thoses stupid things.Plus its really bad for the back and the spinal cord alignment.

[Qdrop]

but if you don't have a man, then you're shit out of luck? so let's see..if a man finds me sexy, i'm sexy. but if i'm single and 186 pounds, regardless of how amazing i can be in the sack, i'm unsexy. huh. well this kinda opens up to a lateral debate.

when you see a fat couple...like they are both like 250lbs+, pushing 300lbs...
do you think that THEY think each other sexy?
do you?
you think that fat dude looks at his fat wife and says "damn, she's sexy!"

probably not.
but he's probably not with her for that. there are about a million other reasons he could be with ....physical sexiness not being among the top.

if you think otherwise....then do you think steger would leave you if you gained 100lbs?
why or why not?
but he probably wouldn't think you as sexy if you did, regardless.

and you're right, it shouldn't matter whether or not other people find us sexy. but we're human beings, and we need that reassurance, regardless of how confident we are in our own sexae-osity. yes, we all have egos.

[cosmo105]

well this kinda opens up to a lateral debate.

when you see a fat couple...like they are both like 250lbs+, pushing 300lbs...
do you think that THEY think each other sexy?
do you?
you think that fat dude looks at his fat wife and says "damn, she's sexy!"

yes, in fact, i'm sure he does. and not just because he likes her personality.

if you think otherwise....then do you think steger would leave you if you gained 100lbs?
why or why not?
but he probably wouldn't think you as sexy if you did, regardless.

you're getting a little too offensive and personal here. yeah, i do think he'd stay with me. because he's not, what's the word, SHALLOW. and i do think he'd still find me sexy. maybe my body wouldn't be as bangin', but i could still turn him on.

[mickill]

when you see a fat couple...like they are both like 250lbs+, pushing 300lbs...
do you think that THEY think each other sexy?
do you?
you think that fat dude looks at his fat wife and says "damn, she's sexy!"

probably not.
Why is that so unlikely? Seriously.

[cosmo105]

Why is that so unlikely? Seriously.
word. and it's not like both of them have to be overweight. god, man, don't you ever watch Real Sex?

[DandyFop]

I don't wanna read all of this, someone tell me what you are all talking about

[mickill]

word. and it's not like both of them have to be overweight. god, man, don't you ever watch Real Sex?
Yeah, and it's not like fat people can't be delusional like normal people.

[b i o n i c]

I don't wanna read all of this, someone tell me what you are all talking about


this was about high-heels and women who walk all loud and clackety.


now its about fatsex.


i hate super high-heels.

[abcdefz]

Here's a quiz:

How many women do you know who go on a massive carb diet som they can gain thirty pounds in time for their wedding?

Just curious.

[Qdrop]

Here's a quiz:

How many women do you know who go on a massive carb diet som they can gain thirty pounds in time for their wedding?

Just curious.

yeah.

and how many of you women who weight 160 or whatever....would mind if you gained 25 pounds?
why? you're still sexy, right?

[Qdrop]

Why is that so unlikely? Seriously.

mike, just stop.

come on.

[DandyFop]

So what's this argument about exactly, fat people being sexy?

I've got plenty of cushion, I would definetly feel less sexy with more for the pushin.

[mickill]

I was being serious, Q.

Hello?


Yeah, and it's not like fat people can't be delusional like normal people.

[Qdrop]

I would definetly feel less sexy with more for the pushin.

wow, an honest woman on this thread.

congrats, dandy.

[Qdrop]

I was being serious, Q.

Hello?

fine, if you concede that they are either delusional or the fringe minority.

the obese aren't considered sexy, for the same reasons that mangy, skinny, sickly animals don't get alot of mates: they ain't the picture of health and fertility...and THAT'S what dictates the universals behind "sexy"

(in addition to some more culturally specific themes)

if you disagree with that...then you aren't just disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with science at large.
good luck with that.

[Nuzzolese]

Wanting to be sexy is not just ego, it's our whole purpose in life. It's really important that someone else should want to have sex with you - whether for your looks or whatever - because otherwise you'll die (your bloodline will anyway)

[b i o n i c]

q how many times have you read steven pinkers' 'how the mind works'? if you haven't im sure youd enjoy it heartily



i HIGHLY recommend this book to everyone

[Qdrop]

Wanting to be sexy is not just ego, it's our whole purpose in life. It's really important that someone else should want to have sex with you - whether for your looks or whatever - because otherwise you'll die (your bloodline will anyway)

well....hmm.
that is the biological/hardline/darwinist stance (i suspect you are saying this to appeal to my bias towards natural law, and lure me into a philisophical trap- or am i just being paraniod?)...
but as humans...we are able to go beyond JUST the "mate or die" primary objective....thanks to "self awareness"...
we have things like personal reflection, spirituality....

not that we can totally cover-up our evolutionary roots that you so eloquently listed, though.

[Qdrop]

q how many times have you read steven pinkers' 'how the mind works'? if you haven't im sure youd enjoy it heartily



i HIGHLY recommend this book to everyone

i OWN it...along with "The Blank Slate"...his follow up.

i love that man.

[b i o n i c]

i OWN it...along with "The Blank Slate"...his follow up.

i love that man.

me too. indeed.

[mickill]

Wanting to be sexy is not just ego, it's our whole purpose in life. It's really important that someone else should want to have sex with you - whether for your looks or whatever - because otherwise you'll die (your bloodline will anyway)
One particular Bible Psalm come to mind right about now:

Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.

Which is basically Biblical speak for "Stay hot looking, so that your man will wanna make babies with you."

[cj hood]

there's nothing more important for a woman than to be hot!!!

[Qdrop]

One particular Bible Psalm come to mind right about now:

Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.

Which is basically Biblical speak for "Stay hot looking, so that your man will wanna make babies with you."

yeah, God knew all about poontang...

[Nuzzolese]

Before, I was trying to allow for all the ways and instances in which sexiness can manifest itself, and I think a lot of people are talking about that now, like saying they were sexy when most people didn't think they were sexy, or that ugly people can be sexy. but Q is speaking of sexiness only in terms of a broad definition.

So you can't really cross these arguments to make one negate the other. Such as, you can't defend an argument for a biological standard of sexiness by suggesting that women want to lose weight to feel sexy. I don't think the women wanting to lose weight are really wanting to feel sexy personally, they are wanting to meet the ideal, or what they are told is sexy - not necessarily what would make them feel personally sexy. That's one way to find selfworth but it's not the only way, and Q is saying the only way to really be sexy is to meet the cultural standard. I'm saying, and so are a couple others I think, that the illusion, or delusion, is not in thinking you are sexy, it's in how someone defines their sexiness - whether personally and based on feelings, or publicly and based on mass appeal.

As in, a 186 lb girl could feel sexy, and in all important ways be sexy in her mind and in the mind of her lovers - and that would not be delusional - but it would be delusional if she only thought she was sexy because society told her she met the standards. Because then she's denying her own personal feelings, or at least placing them beneath the standards of the general public.

And peachy was saying she didn't want her daughter to chase cultural ideals of any sort for self worth. Wanting to be the standard and not feeling sexy for yourself would be like a symptom of someone chasing cultural ideals. So that is not shallow because it does reflect an entire philosophy that is important in self worth and self esteem. So it is important and not shallow to look at the reasons women feel sexy or unsexy.

[Qdrop]

Before, I was trying to allow for all the ways and instances in which sexiness can manifest itself, and I think a lot of people are talking about that now, like saying they were sexy when most people didn't think they were sexy, or that ugly people can be sexy. but Q is speaking of sexiness only in terms of a broad definition.

So you can't really cross these arguments to make one negate the other. Such as, you can't defend an argument for a biological standard of sexiness by suggesting that women want to lose weight to feel sexy. I don't think the women are chasing a biological emotion isolated in themselves - feeling sexy personally. They are chasing the cultural ideal, they are wanting to fit the cultural ideal of sexy. That's one way to personally find worth but it's not the only way, and Q is saying the only way to really be sexy is to meet the cultural standard. I'm saying, and so are a couple others I think, that the illusion, or delsusion, is not in being aware of how sexy you are, it's in how someone goes about feeling sexy - when they follow the norms instead of looking to themselves and finding it personally.

As in, a 186 lb girl could feel sexy, in all important ways be sexy in her mind and in the mind of her lovers - and that would not be delusional. It would be delusional if she only thought she was sexy because society told her she met the standards.

And peachy was saying she didn't want her daughter to chase cultural ideals of any sort of self worth. Wanting to be the standard and not feeling sexy for yourself would be like a symptom of someone chasing cultural ideals. So that is not shallow because it does reflect an entire philosophy that is important in self worth and self esteem.
well, why didn't you just SAY that earlier?....gawwd.

[Nuzzolese]

I edited for clarity!

[mickill]

I think we're all finally on the same page.

And look, it only took 8 of them.

[DandyFop]

Nuzz gives me brain boners.

[Nuzzolese]

But there's still the issue of which shoes to wear.

[zorra_chiflada]

i've never worn high heels in my life. and i don't like pointy heels.

[mickill]

But there's still the issue of which shoes to wear.
Shoes?

Is that what this thread was about originally when we all started posting in it a week ago?

[Qdrop]

i've never worn high heels in my life. and i don't like pointy heels.

me too.

[b i o n i c]

i LOVE high-heels. i was just kidding.












not

[Nuzzolese]

Shoes?

Is that what this thread was about originally when we all started posting in it a week ago?

Oh, the heady days of 4 hours ago!

[Qdrop]

Oh, the heady days of 4 hours ago!

..when we were kings...

[Nuzzolese]

Not bad for a thread started off by an annoyance.

Hats off to you bionic.(y)

annoyances are what start revolutions, right?

[b i o n i c]

Not bad for a thread started off by an annoyance.

Hats off to you bionic.(y)


huh? you callin me annoyin?

[abcdefz]

Necessity is the mother of annoyance. Which doesn't make a sound.

[Qdrop]

No brah,

don't.


if you use smiley icons....
you can't use vernacular such as brah, bro, chief, or boss.

it's one or the other.

[b i o n i c]

No brah, I was saying that by you airing what you find annoying has turned into a great thread. Better then most, that's for sure.

i think it hit a nerve, ey?

[mickill]

No brah, I was saying that by you airing what you find annoying has turned into a great thread. Better then most, that's for sure.
Way to puss out there, chief.

We know what you really meant.

[b i o n i c]

ouch mickill. im sorry i kicked over your sandcastle that time.

[b i o n i c]

i learned today that some women wear big ole pointy high-heels so that their legs or ankles or theretofore cankles appear slimmer. hmmmm maybe i should have more sympathy for them

[zorra_chiflada]

they also give you good posture

[Medellia]

I have a pair of those pointy heels. I've had 'em about six months and still haven't worn them because a) stillettos are hard to walk in, and b) they don't go with any of my clothes.

I think this is the girliest post I have ever made on here.

[Justin]

hearing chicks walk in them wouldnt bother me so much if they took the same steps everytime. You always hear that random dum...dumbumdum

Pick your feet off the floor!:mad:

[CrankItUp!]

But some high heels were made to NEVER touch the floor though...only as "air-ornaments" reaching for the ceiling while in bed only ! :cool: