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b i o n i c
03-09-2006, 12:29 PM
this is a VERY interesting story... the whole parental responsibility and a woman's right to govern her own body and all that

there's a "National Center for Men"?! who knew?


Here's page 1... see the whole story here (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/wireStory?id=1702992)




By DAVID CRARY AP National Writer

NEW YORK Mar 9, 2006 (AP)— Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men's rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

The National Center for Men (ha!) has prepared a lawsuit nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter. The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause.

The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.

"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions," said Mel Feit, director of the men's center. "I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."

Feit's organization has been trying since the early 1990s to pursue such a lawsuit, and finally found a suitable plaintiff in Matt Dubay of Saginaw, Mich.

Dubay says he has been ordered to pay $500 a month in child support for a girl born last year to his ex-girlfriend. He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that because of a physical condition she could not get pregnant.

Dubay is braced for the lawsuit to fail.

"What I expect to hear (from the court) is that the way things are is not really fair, but that's the way it is," he said in a telephone interview. "Just to create awareness would be enough, to at least get a debate started."

State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society's interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents. Melanie Jacobs, a Michigan State University law professor, said the federal court might rule similarly in Dubay's case. story continued... page 2 here (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/wireStory?id=1702992)

like2_drink
03-09-2006, 12:40 PM
* slowly gets up and begins to clap *

monkey
03-09-2006, 12:43 PM
this is where gmile should come get his.

ms.peachy
03-09-2006, 12:46 PM
State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society's interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents.

That is basically the crux of it. If as a guy, you want to be sure, then be really, really sure. That's just the way it is. You're the one walking around with the loaded gun. Make damn sure the safety's on.

abcdefz
03-09-2006, 01:02 PM
That is basically the crux of it. If as a guy, you want to be sure, then be really, really sure. That's just the way it is. You're the one walking around with the loaded gun. Make damn sure the safety's on.


But accidents can happen, right? Hell, I got through.

ScarySquirrel
03-09-2006, 01:05 PM
Saginaw isn't too far from my hometown. Like, I go there to shop at the mall and stuff. I wonder if I can track this dude down...

b i o n i c
03-09-2006, 01:10 PM
"He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that because of a physical condition she could not get pregnant"



if this is true isnt this sort of like rape?

abcdefz
03-09-2006, 01:12 PM
"He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that because of a physical condition she could not get pregnant"



if this is true isnt this sort of like rape?



...if she knew she could get pregnant, it's probably more like fraud than rape.

b i o n i c
03-09-2006, 03:07 PM
gold-digger's worst nightmare

ms.peachy
03-09-2006, 03:23 PM
"He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that because of a physical condition she could not get pregnant"



if this is true isnt this sort of like rape?
Oh yeah, practically the same thing. NOT AT ALL.

b i o n i c
03-09-2006, 03:24 PM
ok fine... but it IS a violation.

ms.peachy
03-09-2006, 03:24 PM
But accidents can happen, right? Hell, I got through.
Well, that is the risk you take each and every time you have sex, yes. I would assume most people at some point in their lives cover this in their high-school biology class, no?

abcdefz
03-09-2006, 03:41 PM
Well, that is the risk you take each and every time you have sex, yes. I would assume most people at some point in their lives cover this in their high-school biology class, no?


That's why I say: if you absolutely cannot have a baby right now, then make your wise choice NOW.

Life is messy and might just be inconvenient. Deal with it.

g-mile7
03-09-2006, 03:49 PM
this is where gmile should come get his.


No since this has no connection to what the fuck I was saying.

kll
03-09-2006, 03:57 PM
I agree with men's rights to some extent. If a couple ends up pregnant, either by mistake or intentionally, and the woman discusses this with the man, who then says he is not interested in being a father at this point in his life, and knowing this, the woman goes ahead with the pregnancy even though she knows he wants nothing to do with it should at that point be required to take full financial responsibility for the child. That's one longass run-on sentence.

CrankItUp!
03-13-2006, 09:28 PM
It all ultimately boils down to the guy's preventive actions before sex to make sure that an unwanted pregnancy doesn't happen by wearing a condom (even two) every single time. Whether she claims that she's on the pill or not - which can EASILY be a lie on her part.

So to all you young dudes out there reading this :

CAP IT BEFORE YOU TAP IT! - EVERYTIME !!! (y)

Documad
03-14-2006, 12:16 AM
There are more men's rights groups than you can count. You wouldn't believe the bullshit they spout.

And whatever gloss they put on their individual groups, the core principle is always about getting out of paying child support. :rolleyes:

Space
03-14-2006, 04:03 PM
I agree with men's rights to some extent. If a couple ends up pregnant, either by mistake or intentionally, and the woman discusses this with the man, who then says he is not interested in being a father at this point in his life, and knowing this, the woman goes ahead with the pregnancy even though she knows he wants nothing to do with it should at that point be required to take full financial responsibility for the child.

seems like common sense...oh yeah, probally some common law..!
a lot of chicks dont even bother.../

Space
03-14-2006, 04:05 PM
its really simple, see, since abortion is legal then the dudes should be able to tell the chic that she should get an abortion in order for him to not have to deal with any of this;

kind of like if she didnt want him to know and she got it aborted anyway, its a two way street.

Loppfessor
03-15-2006, 12:02 AM
It all ultimately boils down to the guy's preventive actions before sex to make sure that an unwanted pregnancy doesn't happen by wearing a condom (even two) every single time. Whether she claims that she's on the pill or not - which can EASILY be a lie on her part.

So to all you young dudes out there reading this :

CAP IT BEFORE YOU TAP IT! - EVERYTIME !!! (y)


Dude seriously, have you ever even been with a woman? First off wearing a condom helps but nothing except not having sex is 100% safe. Second you're not supposed to wear two at once doofus

Loppfessor
03-15-2006, 12:29 AM
Well true nothing is 100% pregnancy preventing, but abstinence, but a lot of dudes refuse to wear and to do certain things to help a pregnancy not come about, but they are the main ones whining during an unplanned one.


In that case if the dude is only 50% responsible for conception then he should only pay child support for the first 9 years rather than the full 18

emma-leigh
11-26-2006, 12:48 AM
In that case if the dude is only 50% responsible for conception then he should only pay child support for the first 9 years rather than the full 18



Do you really think that they child support pays for 100% of the cost of a child? In most cases, where it is even being collected, it only covers a small part of actual costs. Do you really think that $500 per month pays the full cost of food, clothing, housing, household bills, school costs, extra activities, college saving, child care costs, and all the things that cost monry when raising a child? Do some research dude! Child care costs alone are well over what the child support order usually is, in most areas. Did you ever price health insurance and orthodontic costs?
I am guessing, since you are such a staunch supporter of equality, that you also agree that the "dude" should take 50% of the rest of the responsibility of raising a child as well....like waking at night to change diapers, feedings, cleaning up vomit, days off for missed work, washing dishes, doing laundry, cuddling, reading, fixing owies, helping with homework, taking to practice, cheering at games, supervising playdates, parent-teacher-conferences, Dr. and dentists appointments, the therapy appointments the child will likely need after being dealt such a shitty hand in the "father" department....among a multitude of other things.

Please spare us all and keep your offspring from springing. It really is the last thing we need...for people with your lack of intellect to breed.

befsquire
11-26-2006, 12:54 AM
college fees are not factored into child support, and are not ordered either. if two parties agree on college, only then will a court enforce it.