Some parents need to be gutted and left for dead.

[Qdrop]

so me and jenny went and saw The Hills Have Eyes on sunday.

decent remake, entertaining...despite it's cliche "slasher flick" pitfalls...but whatever.

well, this movie was gorry as fuck. like serious shit. name it, it was in there.
blowing heads off with shotguns, dismemberment, severe mutilation, deformed psychopath families...just non-stop gore.
oh, and there was a really disturbing rape scene where the daughter was held down in the camper while 2 deformed mutants took turns raping her, blood all over her legs.

so it wasn't a movie for the squeemish.

the issue was not with the movie, it was with the audience.
as we were waiting for the movie to start, we were shocked at the age of kids being BROUGHT into this movie with thier parents....8-10 yr/olds...by the truckloads!
it was like a fuckin daycare.

throughout the movie, you could here little voices saying "mommy, is that lady dead?"
"is she okay?" in these precious, innocent little voices.

"she went to heaven." we hear the moms say.

sickening.

during the rape scene, we hear "what are they doing, mommy?"

so, as the lights come up....i look behind us, and see 2 kids who, i swear to god, could not have been a day over 5. they may still have been in fuckin diapers.

what is wrong with parents?

jenny went and complained to the front desk as we left, but they informed us that as long as the parents bring them in, the theatre can't do anything.

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[enree erzweglle]

I knew parents who would drive their kids to the theater, double-park, go in & buy tickets for their underaged kids (say, ages 12-16) and their kid's friends, walk in with them, and then leave them there to see the movie alone.

[Calimero jr.]

Myabe they were just preparing their kids for what was gonna happen back home...:confused:

[Nuzzolese]

My parents let my younger brother watch Pet Sematary II on TV once when he was about 6. We felt bad about that. It is sickening. Horror movies leave disturbing images in my head and give me nightmares and I'm an adult. I wonder if kids seeing it young will think there's something wrong with them if they feel disturbed by it. I wonder if it's true that it really does desensitize people.

Are there any movies with violence that you think are a little more acceptable for kids to see? Saving Private Ryan or something?

There has to be something you can do besides complaining at the front desk, Q. Maybe you can write to whomever owns the theater, or the movie distributor or something...your local congressman!

[enree erzweglle]

what is wrong with parents?I know people who think that images like that won't hurt kids or that kids won't understand enough to register what they're seeing.

Parents like what you're describing maybe find that it's more convenient and/or cheaper to bring their kids to the movies than to get a sitter for them. It's a weird common sense missing puzzle piece with them, you know? Like it's so obvious to me, it's obvious to you that those kids shouldn't be there, but if you said something to those parents, they'd probably just blink at you.

God, I remember when my kid was young--I'd go to see a movie by myself--I'd preview it--to know whether/not it was okay for him to see it. Then if it was okay, I'd go to see the movie again, with him. It was worth it for me to do that than to risk having him see something that he shouldn't have seen.

[Nuzzolese]

While The Catcher in the Rye has a truckload of profanity, people still encourage teenagers and adolescents to read it. There are a lot of books with violence and profanity and hatred and such, that are revered as classics and given to young people.

Do you think it works the same way for movies, or are movies always considered a fluffier entertainment? Are any movies worth their disturbing images because they're so good?

[Qdrop]

My parents let my younger brother watch Pet Sematary II on TV once when he was about 6. We felt bad about that. It is sickening. Horror movies leave disturbing images in my head and give me nightmares and I'm an adult. I wonder if kids seeing it young will think there's something wrong with them if they feel disturbed by it. I wonder if it's true that it really does desensitize people.

Are there any movies with violence that you think are a little more acceptable for kids to see? Saving Private Ryan or something?
well, i went online to do some research....cause i really wanted to know if my fears were well founded, or just emotional claptrap...

and let me just say that i am NOT one to believe that TV, movies and music can truly shape someone's behavior to the state of commiting violent acts, ect.
i don't think eminem or gory slasher flicks, or NYPD blue make people go out and rape or murder. i think even a moderately mature mind can decipher between reality and fantasy. we set mental boundies. we can see a dude get his head blown off in a movie and cheer. but if we saw it in real life, we'd go into shock.
even young children have this ability, and it's been docmented.

but i do have a concern for the VERY young, say under 10. what is there limit to creating mental boundries and deciphering reality from fantasy?
i don't think a 15 year old seeing a graphic rape scene (while probably being disturbed by it) will go out and rape or suffer long-term sexual behavior issues.
but what about a 7 year old? thier minds certainly aren't as developed. how adept are they at saying "it's only a movie. this isn't acceptable in real society. this is wrong to do. it's okay, i'm over it."

but interestingly enough...the research over the years shows virtually NO connection between violence in media and behaviors of people, even children.
a few studies have shown increased aggressive behavior in children directly after viewing violent shows...but the footage itself shows the children just MIMICKING the behavior, play-fighting- which shows thier understanding of boundries and fantasy vs. reality.

at best, any links found are not causual, but just associative: violent media doesn't make people violent, it just attracts violent viewers.

so, is my disgust unfounded?

i don't think ANY studies have been done (or could be) where 5 year olds are exposed to extreme violence or sexual media...and then see how it effects them.

There has to be something you can do besides complaining at the front desk, Q. Maybe you can write to whomever owns the theater, or the movie distributor or something...your local congressman! yeah, i think Jenny was gonna write to the local paper. she's the advocate-writer type.

[enree erzweglle]

A kid has to be mature enough to get the message of an explicit movie that also has a redeeming message.

I don't think most 8-year olds will fully parse the lesson from a movie like, say, American History X.

[Nuzzolese]

I'm with you Q, I am disgusted by it too, and not because I'm worried about how that will affect the kid long term. I'm just upset that the kid probably didn't choose that movie, and if he did, probably didn't know what he was getting in to, and that his little imaginative mind will be disturbed and upset by it. Because why upset and horrify a child for entertainment? Most kids don't enjoy a horror movie the way adults do, because their frame of reference for terror is so much smaller...or wider...whatever! They just need a little ghost story or a wicked witch in a house on the hill...damnit.

Maybe the parents were doing the cautionary fright fable technique that folks used to do hundreds of years ago, when they'd tell kids bedtime stories about a witch in a gingerbread house who cooked children, or a wolf who ate grandma. Now these kids know not to...go on a family vacation?

[Qdrop]

Maybe the parents were doing the cautionary fright fable technique that folks used to do hundreds of years ago, when they'd tell kids bedtime stories about a witch in a gingerbread house who cooked children, or a wolf who ate grandma. Now these kids know not to...go on a family vacation?

or stay away from deformed people, cause they may try and put thier "thing" in you. and then shoot you with a gun.

[Bob]

While The Catcher in the Rye has a truckload of profanity, people still encourage teenagers and adolescents to read it. There are a lot of books with violence and profanity and hatred and such, that are revered as classics and given to young people.

Do you think it works the same way for movies, or are movies always considered a fluffier entertainment? Are any movies worth their disturbing images because they're so good?

i remember when i was in school, i think it was...third grade? or 4th or 5th, i'm not completely sure, but there was some book, i forget the name, it was about some orphan girl, and the teacher got in trouble for making us read it because it said the word "damnit" in it. i'm not sure why i bring this up. i also remember reading some other book in some other grade a little later that also had swears in it, but they were all _____'d out. however, we took turns reading the book aloud in class, and naturally i was the first one to have to read a page with a ______ in it. i was so scared, i didn't know what to do. i was a real pussy as a kid.

we definitely get desensitized to violence, or at least i certainly have been. i remember the first time i saw saving private ryan, i got so queasy at certain points, anytime there was exposed flesh or guts or lots of blood, i had to look away. but i kept watching more and more of those kinds of movies and playing those kinds of games for various reasons and now it takes a LOT to make me wince in terms of entertainment. like in this one game, god of war, you have an attack where you can pick an enemy up and literally rip him in half with your bare hands, i laughed the first time i saw it and i laugh every time i see it again. same thing for movies; back in the day, a movie like dawn of the dead (the remake) probably would have grossed me the fuck out, but i watched it about a week ago and i laughed and cheered through the whole thing (i was with friends, i don't cheer at movies when i'm alone).

so there's that.

[Nuzzolese]

or stay away from deformed people, cause they may try and put thier "thing" in you. and then shoot you with a gun.

Never thought of that. So true. Anti-redneck/hillbillyism is such an acceptable form of prejudice. And the victims can't defend themselves because they avoid the public forums.

[Qdrop]

Never thought of that. So true. Anti-redneck/hillbillyism is such an acceptable form of prejudice. And the victims can't defend themselves because they avoid the public forums.

it also should be noted that redneck/hillbillies really ARE ALL psychopathic killers who rape and mutilate.
i mean...that's common knowledge, right?

[Qdrop]

we definitely get desensitized to violence, or at least i certainly have been. i remember the first time i saw saving private ryan, i got so queasy at certain points, anytime there was exposed flesh or guts or lots of blood, i had to look away. but i kept watching more and more of those kinds of movies and playing those kinds of games for various reasons and now it takes a LOT to make me wince in terms of entertainment. like in this one game, god of war, you have an attack where you can pick an enemy up and literally rip him in half with your bare hands, i laughed the first time i saw it and i laugh every time i see it again. same thing for movies; back in the day, a movie like dawn of the dead (the remake) probably would have grossed me the fuck out, but i watched it about a week ago and i laughed and cheered through the whole thing (i was with friends, i don't cheer at movies when i'm alone).

so there's that.

the thing is, though...is that people (even researchers) try to make the leap from being desensitized to media violence to being desensitized to real-life violence- which is unfounded and false.

you laugh when you see that guy get ripped apart on that game, but if you actualy saw your roomate get ripped in half in front of you, you'd probably vomit and go into severe shock.

[Bob]

the thing is, though...is that people (even researchers) try to make the leap from being desensitized to media violence to being desensitized to real-life violence- which is unfounded and false.

you laugh when you see that guy get ripped apart on that game, but if you actualy saw your roomate get ripped in half in front of you, you'd probably vomit and go into severe shock.

oh yeah, you're right, i meant to mention that, but i forgot. i refuse to watch any of those disgusting torture or decapitation videos on the internet. rotten.com makes me sick. i don't like the sight of blood, etc. i meant desensitized to fictional violence, it's still very different from real life violence.

i imagine though, that if you were exposed to enough real life violence, you'd get desensitized to that, too. like if you were in a war, or a gang, or a hospital, or something. we used to watch surgery videos in biology, and i had to put my head down. but i'd probably get over it after awhile.

so yeah, desensitization (forgot how to spell it suddenly) exists, but there are separate realms of violence...being desensitized to one doesn't desensitize you to the other. in my opinion.

[wanton wench]

it also should be noted that redneck/hillbillies really ARE ALL psychopathic killers who rape and mutilate.
i mean...that's common knowledge, right?
this is true but only in the "deep south". :rolleyes:

[mickill]

Yes, but by gutting the parents and leaving them for dead, are you really any better than the deformed psychopaths that are depicted in the film? You need to ask yourself that question, Q.

[wanton wench]

Howdy.
hy!

[Qdrop]

Yes, but by gutting the parents and leaving them for dead, are you really any better than the deformed psychopaths that are depicted in the film? You need to ask yourself that question, Q.

bout time someone picked up on the implied irony of my thread title.
jeesh...

[wanton wench]

:D

Is it just me, or did anyone else hear the music to Paul Revere when reading this?
:D (y)

[mickill]

Are you like the Maharajah of Statingtheobvioustan or something?

[kll]

so me and jenny went and saw The Hills Have Eyes on sunday.

decent remake, entertaining...despite it's cliche "slasher flick" pitfalls...but whatever.

well, this movie was gorry as fuck. like serious shit. name it, it was in there.
blowing heads off with shotguns, dismemberment, severe mutilation, deformed psychopath families...just non-stop gore.
oh, and there was a really disturbing rape scene where the daughter was held down in the camper while 2 deformed mutants took turns raping her, blood all over her legs.

so it wasn't a movie for the squeemish.

the issue was not with the movie, it was with the audience.
as we were waiting for the movie to start, we were shocked at the age of kids being BROUGHT into this movie with thier parents....8-10 yr/olds...by the truckloads!
it was like a fuckin daycare.

throughout the movie, you could here little voices saying "mommy, is that lady dead?"
"is she okay?" in these precious, innocent little voices.

"she went to heaven." we hear the moms say.

sickening.

during the rape scene, we hear "what are they doing, mommy?"

so, as the lights come up....i look behind us, and see 2 kids who, i swear to god, could not have been a day over 5. they may still have been in fuckin diapers.

what is wrong with parents?

jenny went and complained to the front desk as we left, but they informed us that as long as the parents bring them in, the theatre can't do anything.

W
T
F

OHMYGOD

there was an entire row right behind us while we were seeing this same movie and it was parents with their 3-6 year old kids. my b/f heard one of the kids tell the other that they were seeing The Shaggy Dog. riiiight. fuckers were kicking our chairs, talking, etc and this is part of the reason why the world is so fucked up... children seeing this kind of stuff at such as early age...

[Nuzzolese]

bought time someone picked up on the implied irony of my thread title.
jeesh...

'bout time someone picked up on the fact that you wanted honorable mention for it.

[Qdrop]

'bout time someone picked up on the fact that you wanted honorable mention for it.
bout time.

[adrockmelanie]

when i still worked at the movie theater, i went through this all the time... the thing that i remember most about it was during passion of the christ time. dude. it was horrible. i'd walk in there to check on the movie and you'd hear little kids crying, asking "why are they hitting him, mommy???" ...you know they had nightmares for months. if you want your kids to pick up an interest in church at a young age, that movie is the wrong way to introduce it.

[Bob]

when i still worked at the movie theater, i went through this all the time... the thing that i remember most about it was during passion of the christ time. dude. it was horrible. i'd walk in there to check on the movie and you'd hear little kids crying, asking "why are they hitting him, mommy???" ...you know they had nightmares for months. if you want your kids to pick up an interest in church at a young age, that movie is the wrong way to introduce it.

you should have gutted them and left them for dead

the parents, not the kids. that would be over the line.

[jackrock]

now that i think back to when i was younger, i was exposed to some pretty "mature" movies at a young age. Thankfully nothing like the hills have eyes, at the age of 6 or whatever. but i remember watching i think... Saving Private Ryan, i was probably 6-8 years old maybe. anyways, i wan't allowed to watch it all the way through, cause my folks wouldnt let me.
When i watched a movie with just my dad and brothers, they were usually action movies... fun times though.
I just thank them for not taking me to see what those little kids did.

i turned out fine... right?

[Justin]

I saw roger rabbit when i was really young. I still havent recovered

[ms.peachy]

My mom's thing when we were kids was that she didn't mind so much us seeing things that were sexual in nature, so long as they weren't exploitive, but she definitely didn't want us seeing lots of violent things. And I think I'm kind of OK with that criteria too, really. I won't mind my kid seeing something with a bit of nudity and/or consensual sex, but rape, graphic murder and mayhem are a little OTT for me.

It's not that I so much think that kids who are exposed to this kind of stuff are in danger of becoming desensitised or violent themselves; I'm really not concerned about any 'causal link' there per se. What does concern me is just simply that it isn't appropriate, because psychologically they can't put it into a context that makes them feel "safe". It is bound to cause them some distress, feelings of insecurity and sadness. These may not be long-lasting in the sense of 'it will turn them into serial killers', but I just think, kids are kids for such a short time, why bring this kind of stress and grief into their lives - however low-level - unneccessarily, and just assume "well, they'll cope"?

It's kind of like how I feel about buying young girls clothes that are sexualised - thongs for 7 year olds and 9 year olds in off-the-shoulder tops that say 'Boy Magnet' on them. Why would you do that? Why would you put children into situations where they are still innocent enough to not really fully understand the context of actions and their consequences? It just baffles me.

[Matt]

It's kind of like how I feel about buying young girls clothes that are sexualised - thongs for 7 year olds and 9 year olds in off-the-shoulder tops that say 'Boy Magnet' on them. Why would you do that? Why would you put children into situations where they are still innocent enough to not really fully understand the context of actions and their consequences? It just baffles me.

Reminds me of Target stores. Child-sized thongs adorned with images of the Powerpuff Girls. the sad thing is they were selling like hotcakes.

[discopants]

Most parents in Britain are retards. They should start enforcing tests before letting moronic dumbshits breed.