Are you a bad person if you can have sex without loving someone?

[DandyFop]

Hi there. After reading Sarky's thread, this question came into my head.

I know I talk about sex often, but I don't think that's a bad thing. It's just something I think about a lot, even if I don't actually do it a lot. And, really I don't. But I've had more "casual" sex then I've had "love sex", or "relationship sex", and I haven't had a real problem with the casual sex.

There's no question that I'd rather be in a loving relationship with someone than just have a fuck buddy or whatever. But sometimes the circumstances are just that I'd like to have some great sex and I'm not in a relationship. Now, I haven't done this for a while now, but I'm just wondering...I don't know. Everyone always says that there's this like SHINING LIGHT OF AMAZINGNESS when you're doing it with someone you love instead of someone you just like, or get along well with physically. Is that shining light really there?

[Lex Diamonds]

The answer is no.

[Sarky Devotchka]

sex with someone you care about it way way better, for sure.

[cosmo105]

i can't say i've ever had casual sex...i always insist on black tie.

in my experience, i just see it as something really intimate, and not just physical, and i wouldn't feel comfortable sharing it with someone i didn't love. it means a lot to share it with someone i do love, though.

but that's just me. whatever works for you, is what works for you, g.

[enree erzweglle]

Everyone always says that there's this like SHINING LIGHT OF AMAZINGNESS when you're doing it with someone you love instead of someone you just like, or get along well with physically. Is that shining light really there?Tradeoffs. Great sex with someone that you're in love with is amazing, yes, but monogamous sex usually gets predictable. (I'm talking years and years with the same person.) Sex with someone that you barely know has its advantages, but it's very different. It's maybe more about sex itself and what you need right then/there v. the physical and emotional connection that you get otherwise.

[abcdefz]

...eh. It can go either way. Just depends.

Sometimes the person you're really, really in love with -- I mean, there's something nice about it because it's familiar and there's a bond, but it's also easy for things to get kind of rote. Whereas sometimes if it's just a pickup, there's more excitement to it because of the conquest and the anticipation and some surprises. Or it can be really lame and you just feel kind of hollow and wish that you were having sex with someone with whom there's more commitment and history. It all depends.

[g-mile7]

not bad, but pretty sad(well you said loving not liking). That's my opinon though.

[Rock]

not bad, but pretty sad. That's my opinon though.
you care to expand on the pretty sad part?

I don't think it makes anyone bad....depending on the circumstance. Being in a relationship with someone and boning someone just to bone or being with someone in a relationship and boning just to bone is fucked up. But other than that...unless you are my sister, son, or daughter....go for it.

[Nuzzolese]

Hell no you're not a bad person for having sex with someone you don't love! You'd only be a bad person if you believed it was morally wrong to do so, or if you were being inconsiderate of someone else's feelings...examples: you know they love you but you don't reciprocate; you know someone else loves them or wants to have a relationship with them; they don't really want to have sex with you and you seduce/force/manipulate them; they are involved in a relationship with someone else. I guess that covers it...I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it.

I think there's a shining light, because I've had that shining light with at least a couple of people. But I also think people hype it up that way for their own reasons, promoting their own ideals. Plus it just sounds nice. Most of my sexual encounters have been casual relationships. You know, we were dating but there was no talk of love. All totally forgetable.

Sometimes I think it depends on the person and how much they rely on the physical vs how much they rely on the mental, in order to enjoy something.

And cosmo made me chortle.

[b i o n i c]

wtf??? yes. you're terrible and evil and should die. :rolleyes:

[g-mile7]

you care to expand on the pretty sad part?

I don't think it makes anyone bad....depending on the circumstance. Being in a relationship with someone and boning someone just to bone or being with someone in a relationship and boning just to bone is fucked up. But other than that...unless you are my sister, son, or daughter....go for it.


No need to...if you just have sex with any attraction (thus me saying she said loving the person) then it's pretty sad. It lowers the importance and nature of Sex. That's my thoughts though so no need to attack me or me to attack anybody (not you per say but in general).

[DandyFop]

? Of course there's attraction. I wouldn't do someone I wasn't attracted to...

Par examplar...a while ago, I started hanging out with this guy. I liked him, he liked me, etc. I started realizing things about him that I knew would make a relationship not work at all. But we had yay sex, so we kept doing it.

[Nuzzolese]

What I do think is this; people may enjoy sleeping around casually and carefully with no guilt, saying they're not hurting anyone - which is true, but what they can't be sure of is that their behavior now may haunt them later, and hurt someone they meet or fall in love with in the future.

[g-mile7]

? Of course there's attraction. I wouldn't do someone I wasn't attracted to...

Par examplar...a while ago, I started hanging out with this guy. I liked him, he liked me, etc. I started realizing things about him that I knew would make a relationship not work at all. But we had yay sex, so we kept doing it.


that's you though, not people in general Dandy'.

[DandyFop]

Sometimes I think it depends on the person and how much they rely on the physical vs how much they rely on the mental, in order to enjoy something.


This is interesting, I didn't think as much about this side of it. It makes things a little more more clear to me actually.

[DandyFop]

that's you though, not people in general Dandy'.

I still really don't understand what you mean, but it's cool.

[Waus]

I dunno about the "bad person" labels or whatever, but I definitly feel like it's bad for you to have lots of casual sex.

From my perspective it seems like you really only have so much intimacy to give away in life...I like to be selfish with mine.

[g-mile7]

When you say 'can', I'm assuming you're not meaning in the physical sense. I wouldn't exactly 'turn down' the chance, but I'd prefer it to be in a relationship with someone I love. I've never loved anyone, so I'll keep taking what I can get. (yeah, not that much)


Well pretty much everyone has sex without "loving" the person and people have diffrent defintions of love so it's hard to say. Your only bad in your own eyes, everyone has diffrent definitions of what is bad.

[Lyman Zerga]

No need to...if you just have sex with any attraction (thus me saying she said loving the person) then it's pretty sad. It lowers the importance and nature of Sex. That's my thoughts though so no need to attack me or me to attack anybody (not you per say but in general).

with guys i agree
with girls i dont

[g-mile7]

I still really don't understand what you mean, but it's cool.


Just meant that I wasn't talking bout you in particular, but people in general.

[g-mile7]

with guys i agree
with girls i dont

How so?

[cosmo105]

I dunno about the "bad person" labels or whatever, but I definitly feel like it's bad for you to have lots of casual sex.

From my perspective it seems like you really only have so much intimacy to give away in life...I like to be selfish with mine.
nicely worded. i tend to take this stance too.

[Lyman Zerga]

How so?

i would feel slutty sleeping with a guy i dont love but could sleep with 100 strange girls and wouldnt mind it

well in my fantasy atleast
i dont know shit since im a virgin

[DandyFop]

I dunno about the "bad person" labels or whatever, but I definitly feel like it's bad for you to have lots of casual sex.

From my perspective it seems like you really only have so much intimacy to give away in life...I like to be selfish with mine.

Yes, this is a good stance on it. I guess it's just difficult because, you know, a person has needs. It's not like I walk outside and fall into some amazing, loving relationship. If I did, that would be awesome. But as a human being, I can only go so long without physical contact.

[g-mile7]

nicely worded. i tend to take this stance too.

I as well.(lb)

[g-mile7]

i would feel slutty sleeping with a guy i dont love but could sleep with 100 strange girls and wouldnt mind it

well in my fantasy atleast
i dont know shit since im a virgin


your a rare breed good for you:)

[Echewta]

Heterosexual sailor + Dick Cheney + Guide Dog = Echewta

[ToucanSpam]

No, youre not a bad person if you like casual sex. It's fun, it's virtually free of cost, and it can mean something if you want it to. You can have sex with a friend, an aquaintence, or a lover, it's all good.


And that's why I'm not a practising Christian anymore.

[ms.peachy]

sex with someone you care about it way way better, for sure.
In general, yes. But I dunno, I quite enjoyed my 'casual sex' years. Fun times. I think some of those experiences certainly helped me understand who I was in terms of what I wanted in life sexually. Then when the right person came along for me to be in a serious relationship with, I was able to be confident about asking for what I wanted, and open to understanding what worked for him in return.

So, to sum up: casual sex good, relationship sex also good. Both excellent on occasion.

[checkyourprez]

yo i just like bonin chicks i dont see anything wrong with it.


although i've kinda had an epiphany of sorts where i feel bad for the girls because some are getting used like fucks dolls, now i try and make sure they know what their getting into.


im not much of a relationship guy yet. i figure i got a lot of years left for that, im in college i might as well enjoy myself.


so no, you are not a bad person.

[marsdaddy]

I wonder if there is some reason you find it difficult to fall in love with someone, yet easily fall in lust (like? whatever?). At one time, I discovered I was not comfortable being initimate with the one I loved. I worked on that, and it led me to limit my intimacy.

Of course, I had to go through the "casual sex" phase to grow.

[DandyFop]

I'm sorry that I phrased this thread as such. I know it doesn't make me a "bad person", I guess I just meant, what kind of person does it make me....

Interesting viewpoints, all around. Cheers, folks.

[Lyman Zerga]

aka im the only non slut .. oh and bob

gotta love bob

[Chicka B]

Well if you're worried it makes you a slut, you're not. A slut in my opinion is a girl that flaunts her sexuality like candy and brags about it all the time. You're just a sophisticated woman that likes sex, and that's your biz. Now I'm a virgin and my dad told me I'm around that age where I start liking boys (when actually I've been crushing since 4, hah). But he told me he knows he can't stop me from doing it and won't try to, but said he wanted me to know that I'm beautiful and worth way more then giving it out cheap. Yeah, even though I shit talk my dad all the time he can be nice sometimes, haha. So I kinda stuck by that, and been raised to think I should stay a virgin until I fall in love with somebody and share that special moment with him. But then again I'm confused because I think you're only young once you know, and maybe people take sex too seriously and I should just go out and do it right? I mean, it's just a dick in a pussy. But then again I tell myself "No you fucking idiot, it's more then that and you should share it with that special someone. Don't let peer pressure and the fear of being a virgin until 40 ruin it for you." Then I think, how do you really know you're in love? I mean, what if I think I'm in love with somebody and they love me, then I have sex with them, then they ditch me? That's what happened to my cousin, and many of my friends. But I guess I'll just have to know and go with my insticnt, it's really confusing. It's like it's a big deal but not really. :confused:

[DandyFop]

Chicka, you are right on track. It is confusing.

My first time was with someone very special to me, and I wouldn't give that back for all the world. But at the same time, it was like "oh, this so isn't as big a deal as everyone made it out to be". I have to say, i wish that with him, I hadn't waited so long because I think there would have been more passion in our sex life if we had done it earlier. But what can you do, right? I am glad I wasn't doing it in high school or anything like that though...

[hpdrifter]

Sometimes I think you have to have at least some casual sex. I mean, you might always wonder what else was out there and later on wish you had lived a little more, at least that's how I feel about it. I just sort of do it if I'm single and I want to. We're lucky that we can as women in the society we live in.

I don't think it makes you any kind of person, really, or says much at all about who you are. Its normal to want it, its normal to do it as far as I'm concerned.

[Ace42X]

It's a toughie. On the one side, I am all about satisfying the needs, and getting your freak on, and people not being all repressed and shit.

On the other hand, if you'll fuck just anybody, it cheapens it. That stuff can break up relationships... "If you care so much about me, how come you did all of THAT shit with him, who you can barely stand?" etc. What if the person you dedicate your entire being to had casually slept with your arch-nemesis? Wouldn't you feel like a schmo then?

And then you add gender roles into the mix. Girls can (and do) get a lot more action than guys. This can make guys feel inadequet, and lead to serious problems. Like guys feeling obliged to sleep with everyone the possibly could in order to reassert their masculinity and desirability, RE: Ladder theory.

So, whatever the reasoning behind it: Sluts are gonna be sluts, whether you love them or hate them, for better or worse.

[yeahwho]

This thread is making me get my Michael jackson on.

I'm Bad!

[ms.peachy]

Maybe just go with anal sex, that way you have to feel bad about it.
News to me...

[checkyourprez]

Maybe just go with anal sex, that way you don't have to feel bad about it.


yea you get a different kind of feeling, and walk a little funny.

[CrankItUp!]

I had a love doll named "Lucille" once who only resented me because I actually loved another one named "Bertha" instead. And the only think she wanted when we shopped at "the hardware store" wuz duct tape patches.

[iceygirl]

yes you are a terrible person and are going to hell

[Waus]

I underlined this passage from one of my favorite books, it's a woman writing about men, but -

"A sensitized person who feels himself at peace with nature and with the natural man in him is not going to be troubled about sex. It will have its day and its hour and the orgasm, should it occur, will come not as a little trick cleverly performed, but as a wave of union with the whole universe."



PM me if you actually care what it's from.

[Ace42X]

PM me if you actually care what it's from.

And if you think it is bullshit? Just ignore the post?

[Waus]

And if you think it is bullshit? Just ignore the post?

Yeah, pretty much.

[CrankItUp!]

I had a love doll named "Lucille" once who only resented me because I actually loved another one named "Bertha" instead. And the only think she wanted when we shopped at "the hardware store" wuz duct tape patches.
:cool:

[alexandra]

i've only had sex with close buddies, who i love, trust, respect and find some attraction to, and vice versa. we all got each other's backs. we look after each other. we kick each other's asses if we need to. we're in same band. we know each other in ways that some never will. we see ourselves in each other. we built up a steady friendship before having sex, and we know that we're buddies no matter what. "together regardless we walk through the darkness." that's real to me. i can never see myself having sex with someone i'd just met. attraction ain't enough. i have to have some kind of history with the person. that's that. oh, i pity those who can't even talk to their "partner".

[abcdefz]

...I don't think it makes you a bad person, but I do think it's a bad idea. I think that, whether you like it or not, there's a spiritual element to sex, and you or others can wind up with damaged spirits if you just have sex with no long term commitment. And if you're promiscuous, I think you've got a real chance at really screwing up your spirit pretty good.

[DandyFop]

People seem to be taking this from "fuck buddy" to "promiscuity". Promiscuity, to me, is carelessly sleeping with many people. Which is not what I'm asking about. I'm not looking for notches on the bed post.

[abcdefz]

Sorry. That was the universal "you," but I guess it doesn't read that way.

[ms.peachy]

i have to have some kind of history with the person.
That's fine, if that's the way you feel; I'm sure many others feel the same. I would say, though, that there is a certain amount of freedom that comes with liaison wiht someone who is more or less a stranger, i.e., a 'one night stand', a quick (or, you know, slow) one-off. There's no investment and no fear of judgement, and no what I would call 'ongoing maintenance'. A one-off can be a great opportunity to try out something you are curious about, but maybe aren't sure you want to make a part of your regular repertoire, because if you find you don't like it, there's no pressure to ever do it again.

[iceygirl]

That's fine, if that's the way you feel; I'm sure many others feel the same. I would say, though, that there is a certain amount of freedom that comes with liaison wiht someone who is more or less a stranger, i.e., a 'one night stand', a quick (or, you know, slow) one-off. There's no investment and no fear of judgement, and no what I would call 'ongoing maintenance'. A one-off can be a great opportunity to try out something you are curious about, but maybe aren't sure you want to make a part of your regular repertoire, because if you find you don't like it, there's no pressure to ever do it again.


what she said.

[roosta]

no, it makes you a hussy, or possibly a tart.

[iceygirl]

In general, yes. But I dunno, I quite enjoyed my 'casual sex' years. Fun times. I think some of those experiences certainly helped me understand who I was in terms of what I wanted in life sexually. Then when the right person came along for me to be in a serious relationship with, I was able to be confident about asking for what I wanted, and open to understanding what worked for him in return.

So, to sum up: casual sex good, relationship sex also good. Both excellent on occasion.

sitting here thinking about this, made me realize how much it would kind of suck to marry your first boyfriend, the guy you lost your virginity to. suck in terms of missing out on the learning process of becoming a woman and having a life, learning what you really want and need out of a sexual relationship, all that stuff. there is no way that i would ever take back any bit of my past pre-marriage. i think if i wouldnt have gone through a period of casual sex, etc. that i wouldnt be content at this time in my adult married life.

[g-mile7]

i've only had sex with close buddies, who i love, trust, respect and find some attraction to, and vice versa. we all got each other's backs. we look after each other. we kick each other's asses if we need to. we're in same band. we know each other in ways that some never will. we see ourselves in each other. we built up a steady friendship before having sex, and we know that we're buddies no matter what. "together regardless we walk through the darkness." that's real to me. i can never see myself having sex with someone i'd just met. attraction ain't enough. i have to have some kind of history with the person. that's that. oh, i pity those who can't even talk to their "partner".


deep(y)

[DandyFop]

This isn't about one-night stands or sleeping with people you don't know! GAH!

[ms.peachy]

This isn't about one-night stands or sleeping with people you don't know! GAH!
LOL you want to better define the parameters, then? Who exactly is it about sleeping with?

[DandyFop]

Like I said, a fuck buddy of sorts. A friend that you know a relationship wouldn't work with, but you enjoy each other's physical company.

That's not to say, though, that I haven't had one amazing night with someone I had just met. I have. And somehow, it was extremely special. Meh, who knows.

[g-mile7]

Like I said, a fuck buddy of sorts. A friend that you know a relationship wouldn't work with, but you enjoy each other's physical company.

That's not to say, though, that I haven't had one amazing night with someone I had just met. I have. And somehow, it was extremely special. Meh, who knows.



Friends with Benefits is all the rage now a days it seems. Only danger is the risk of catching feelings. Do what you want, thats the best advice anybody could give.

[Echewta]

I always sleep with Miss Right. Miss Left if Right is tired.

[Nuzzolese]

What is love anyway?

[Nuzzolese]

Do what you want, thats the best advice anybody could give.

UNLESS what you want makes you a bad person. Then, don't do that. See? Ethics is easy!

[DandyFop]

If love is eating from a bag of kettle chips and drinking a rock star while I should be in class, well then I'm set.

[g-mile7]

UNLESS what you want makes you a bad person. Then, don't do that. See? Ethics is easy!



What is bad then? It's all in your eyes.

[Nuzzolese]

What is bad then? It's all in your eyes.

Get it out!!!

[Bob]

Get it out!!!

i think i've already made this thread (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=65644)

[Nuzzolese]

If love is eating from a bag of kettle chips and drinking a rock star while I should be in class, well then I'm set.

Have sex with the chips and drink and feel no remorse then. So you are saying you can have love without sex, and sex without love. Then maybe lovesex is something entirely different from plain old ordinary sex. Although the mechanics may look the same to the observer....and I don't like doing it with an observer but for the purpose of science...anyway...it may look the same but they are two different things so there is no reason comparing.

[Nuzzolese]

i think i've already made this thread (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=65644)

Oh, so you did. I hadn't realized you did it. I thought I had just drooled on myself.

[Lex Diamonds]

Some people never fall in love. I aint gonna wait to find out.

[ms.peachy]

Like I said, a fuck buddy of sorts. A friend that you know a relationship wouldn't work with, but you enjoy each other's physical company.


I would say that for the purposes of answering the question that is the title of this thread, fuckbuddy or one-nighter makes no difference really.

And just to reiterate, the answer to that question is, no.

[cosmo105]

i made nuzz chortle. I WIN THE BOARD

[DapperDiverge]

i guess i'm one of the wierd ones but in a way i'd prefer loveless sex... sometimes...i mean the akwardness isn't their all the time...it's like you fuck em and that's the end.... they don't nag at you about things later on like in a relationship, like telling you to do something about that thing on your butt or do something with your hair... you never see that person again... but hope you never run into that person later on in the future... that's the only time it would get akward. But if you're in a relationship, do it, and then start falling out of love, you feel used almost, or a little embarassed/ashamed that you let this person do you for so long. Some people are just stronger at these types of things, so it doesn't really have long lasting effects

i see hot guys all the time that i'd like to take right there and then and just screw...but i usually just fuck em in my imagination since i know i don't have a snowball's chance in hell getting with these guys.

I think a better question is: Are you a bad person if you can have sex without loving someone, especially if it's just because that person is rich, famous or good looking?...

[g-mile7]

Get it out!!!

Didn't know it was in.

[Ace42X]

but i usually just fuck em in my imagination since i know i don't have a snowball's chance in hell getting with these guys.

I think you underestimate just how much guys like fucking. Even a relatively ugly chick could fuck any guy if they approached it right and had half-decent timing.

[Lex Diamonds]

Shh man, stop revealing our weaknesses!

[jennyb]

I happen to know some "fuck buddies" who are now in the throngs of a relationship. So who knows... just go with your most honest of feelings I guess.

As far as casual sex goes, I think most people (esp those who attend a university) make it through their casual sex phase and it has it's advantages.

[Sarky Devotchka]

the thing about sex is, sometimes it makes babies. and babies are terrible.

[Ace42X]

the thing about sex is, sometimes it makes babies. and babies are terrible.

Does this mean you are going to be an anal-bitch?

[Sarky Devotchka]

fill me bum with macaroni and call me charlotte.

[Bob]

the thing about sex is, sometimes it makes babies. and babies are terrible.

worse than herpes?

[Sarky Devotchka]

babies are worse than scurvy. herpes and babies are almost the same thing.

[Chicka B]

Babies do suck. My 3 year old brother puked all over the place and my mom is cleaning it as I type this. I would help her, but I can't clean puke or I'll just puke.

[Bob]

babies are worse than scurvy. herpes and babies are almost the same thing.

yeah, at least babies go away eventually

[g-mile7]

I think you underestimate just how much guys like fucking. Even a relatively ugly chick could fuck any guy if they approached it right and had half-decent timing.


this is true (just watch Maury or Jerry Springer)

[SobaViolence]

personally, i need to be honest and know what kind of relationship we have...one night stands or fuck buddies are straight foward. no feelings...exclusive, thn there's something and anything more, you gotta know what is up.

you just have to know what you're after.

[ms.peachy]

babies are worse than scurvy. herpes and babies are almost the same thing.
:(


...but all the little clothes are so cute...

[Lyman Zerga]

baby clothes especially baby shoes and socks make me lol

gotta love it

[enree erzweglle]

baby clothes especially baby shoes and socks make me lol

gotta love itYes, they're impossibly tiny. Manufacturers know that people can't resist buying miniature things like infant Timberlands even though most babies will fit into them for like an hour tops.

[DapperDiverge]

I think you underestimate just how much guys like fucking. Even a relatively ugly chick could fuck any guy if they approached it right and had half-decent timing.

yeah, i know just the right timing... a very dim lit room and the guy has to be so drunk it's almost considered alcohol poisioning....

or if his eyes are dialated because he's coming out of the optometrist and he can't see straight...

sometimes i feel like howard stern in that scene in Private Parts when he was at college and he asked that blind girl out and when she examined his face she told him some lame excuse like she had to drive somewhere or something...i forgot specifically what she said but that pretty much sums it up:o

[Ace42X]

yeah, i know just the right timing

Right timing like not approaching someone who is in the "honeymoon period" of a relationship when he has just hooked up with a new girl, or is is out with friends he hasn't seen in ages and is obliged to spend time with, or doesn't have a train, plane, bus to catch, opr a job interview, etc.

sometimes i feel like howard stern in that scene in Private Parts

Got a picture online? I'll be able to tell you if you should give up and become a nun now.

[Ace42X]

Nuns are hot!

It's all the layers they wear. Black absorbs heat too.

[buddylee]

not if your a girl. it's like yoor giving out Charity

[DapperDiverge]

Got a picture online? I'll be able to tell you if you should give up and become a nun now.



no...unfortunately i don't have a digital camera yet... i know, LAME!! SO LAME!! i'm trying to find the best deals, like with my DVD player...until that happens i will remain mysterious like that guy in phantom of the opera... the mask stays on!!:cool:

in all seriousness, i'm dying to post some pictures cuz everyone is curious to my appearance so i guess i could give a familiar clue... hmmmm, a lot of people tell me that i look like jessica alba if she was a little on the chubby side... i said chubby, not FAT!! i got that butt that's for sure and her bee-stung lips... i really need to get that camera...and lose this weight to pose as her twin!!

as far as being a nun...thought about it for many years as a kid (sally field influenced me) but i'm no longer a catholic...just a catholic in spirit

[g-mile7]

no...unfortunately i don't have a digital camera yet... i know, LAME!! SO LAME!! i'm trying to find the best deals, like with my DVD player...until that happens i will remain mysterious like that guy in phantom of the opera... the mask stays on!!:cool:

in all seriousness, i'm dying to post some pictures cuz everyone is curious to my appearance so i guess i could give a familiar clue... hmmmm, a lot of people tell me that i look like jessica alba if she was a little on the chubby side... i said chubby, not FAT!! i got that butt that's for sure and her bee-stung lips... i really need to get that camera...and lose this weight to pose as her twin!!

as far as being a nun...thought about it for many years as a kid (sally field influenced me) but i'm no longer a catholic...just a catholic in spirit



hyping yourself up.....you been studying your 50 Cent tapes well havent you:D