States omitting minorities' test scores

[D_Raay]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_go_ot/no_child_loophole

This legislation was never about increasing the learning capabilities of America's children in the first place. It's actually one big tracking machine for the military. Any school which gets Federal funding must open their records to military recruiters on demand, or lose their funding.

[EN[i]GMA]

I had to take our NCLB tests, the OGT (Ohio Graduation Test).

I know that it's a sham first hand. Everything that is not on the curriculum is cut out, and everything that is drilled into your head line-by-line.

I don't know if NCLB actually made this worse, but I know that's how it is now.

It seems to me that the only thing we've managed to achieve is get most of the students the basic ability to read and do math, which I guess is worth something.

History is sacraficed, civics, foreign language, everything really, takes a back seat to preparing for this test, which really is a shame becuase any student of at least middling intelligence or ability, it's terribly easy.

So you retard the growth of the capable students and you set the incapable students up for a task they can't complete. Great idea.

Oh, and did you know that nearly 30% of high school students drop out?

[Ace42X]

The product of anti-intellectualism, and a woeful lack of insight into how such a system would evolve.

When the goal of education is to achieve a qualification, anything other than achieving that qualification is of tertiary (or un-)importance. Much in the same way that under a capitalist system, anything other than the aquisition of capital (such as morals, ethics, justice, egalitarianism, humanity, etc etc.) is unimportant.

It is naive to assume optimistically that either system will have positive side-effects.

[King PSYZ]

I discovered the sinister reality of public school testing when I took what was then anyway, a required test for all Southern California High School students. It was called the ASVAB test and we were informed it was to help determine what sorts of jobs some of us might be best suited for or to help us focus our studies.

So every subject focused on the content of this test and beat it into our heads. It all seamed pretty easy to me since before my drug and alcohol fueled twenties I was actually a fairly intelligent person.

When I took the test itself I breezed through it and was the first one in my group done. At the time I was sent back to my class that was in session and didn't think much more of it.

15 minutes later I was approached by the principal and some men in uniform in my class who asked how I cheated on the ASVAB. I said I didn't cheat and they could go fuck themselves for thinking I needed to. So then they presented me with my test results and said I got a 100% score, and that nobody gets a 100% score unless they're cheating, so they dropped it to 99.99% and then took me outside.

At this point the principal left and three armed forces officals start asking me questions off the test which I answered the same as on paper. Then they shifted their stance from acusatory to congratulatory. At this juncture they decided I was "cool" enough to tell me the real function of the ASVAB and tests like it. It's a tool used by the armed forces to recruit not just soldiers, but officers, scientists, ect. They then did something that to this day spooked me quite a bit and offered me to become a nuclear research officer in the Navy (at which point they mentioned my father's Naval career which he wasn't really a fan of and I never mentioned to a soul which only further creeped me out) developing weapons to protect the United States yadda yadda.

I then as I do now strongly oppose development of nuclear technology as a weapon and told them so and that I'd rather not help develop a weapon that could destroy life on earth. Without batting an eye they told me I could walk out of school that very moment with a full diploma and honors, be given a home for my family, and a salary starting at 250k / year. I declined and they told me nothing more than you're making a big mistake and walked away.

I didn't take any more of the mandatory tests given.

[Qdrop]

I discovered the sinister reality of public school testing when I took what was then anyway, a required test for all Southern California High School students. It was called the ASVAB test and we were informed it was to help determine what sorts of jobs some of us might be best suited for or to help us focus our studies.

So every subject focused on the content of this test and beat it into our heads. It all seamed pretty easy to me since before my drug and alcohol fueled twenties I was actually a fairly intelligent person.

When I took the test itself I breezed through it and was the first one in my group done. At the time I was sent back to my class that was in session and didn't think much more of it.

15 minutes later I was approached by the principal and some men in uniform in my class who asked how I cheated on the ASVAB. I said I didn't cheat and they could go fuck themselves for thinking I needed to. So then they presented me with my test results and said I got a 100% score, and that nobody gets a 100% score unless they're cheating, so they dropped it to 99.99% and then took me outside.

At this point the principal left and three armed forces officals start asking me questions off the test which I answered the same as on paper. Then they shifted their stance from acusatory to congratulatory. At this juncture they decided I was "cool" enough to tell me the real function of the ASVAB and tests like it. It's a tool used by the armed forces to recruit not just soldiers, but officers, scientists, ect. They then did something that to this day spooked me quite a bit and offered me to become a nuclear research officer in the Navy (at which point they mentioned my father's Naval career which he wasn't really a fan of and I never mentioned to a soul which only further creeped me out) developing weapons to protect the United States yadda yadda.

I then as I do now strongly oppose development of nuclear technology as a weapon and told them so and that I'd rather not help develop a weapon that could destroy life on earth. Without batting an eye they told me I could walk out of school that very moment with a full diploma and honors, be given a home for my family, and a salary starting at 250k / year. I declined and they told me nothing more than you're making a big mistake and walked away.

I didn't take any more of the mandatory tests given.

are you making that shit up?

[King PSYZ]

I wish I was

[Qdrop]

I wish I was

that's some crazy shit.
you should have gone to the press.

[EN[i]GMA]

I discovered the sinister reality of public school testing when I took what was then anyway, a required test for all Southern California High School students. It was called the ASVAB test and we were informed it was to help determine what sorts of jobs some of us might be best suited for or to help us focus our studies.

I know, I took it too.

It was a fucking sham.

I thought it would be a career aptitude test (That's what it was billed as) but it was really nothing more than Military Aptitude test.

Nothing applied to what I wanted to do (They had a section of the test on car maintenance...); 'writer' or 'social scientist' wasn't on the short list, for example.


So every subject focused on the content of this test and beat it into our heads. It all seamed pretty easy to me since before my drug and alcohol fueled twenties I was actually a fairly intelligent person.

See, this puzzles me because that test is meaningless. What this means is that instead of forcing you take a test that gauges real intelligence, they were giving you a propaganda test for the army.


When I took the test itself I breezed through it and was the first one in my group done. At the time I was sent back to my class that was in session and didn't think much more of it.

15 minutes later I was approached by the principal and some men in uniform in my class who asked how I cheated on the ASVAB. I said I didn't cheat and they could go fuck themselves for thinking I needed to. So then they presented me with my test results and said I got a 100% score, and that nobody gets a 100% score unless they're cheating, so they dropped it to 99.99% and then took me outside.

Mine was in the 90s, which impressed me because most of the questions were about mechanics and electrical equipment and such.


At this point the principal left and three armed forces officals start asking me questions off the test which I answered the same as on paper. Then they shifted their stance from acusatory to congratulatory. At this juncture they decided I was "cool" enough to tell me the real function of the ASVAB and tests like it. It's a tool used by the armed forces to recruit not just soldiers, but officers, scientists, ect. They then did something that to this day spooked me quite a bit and offered me to become a nuclear research officer in the Navy (at which point they mentioned my father's Naval career which he wasn't really a fan of and I never mentioned to a soul which only further creeped me out) developing weapons to protect the United States yadda yadda.

I think I just qualified to be a 'language expert' or some such other bullshit job.


I then as I do now strongly oppose development of nuclear technology as a weapon and told them so and that I'd rather not help develop a weapon that could destroy life on earth. Without batting an eye they told me I could walk out of school that very moment with a full diploma and honors, be given a home for my family, and a salary starting at 250k / year. I declined and they told me nothing more than you're making a big mistake and walked away.

I didn't take any more of the mandatory tests given.

Hell, for 250 Gs I'd wipe out life on this planet and three more.

Just kidding.

I would go for five.

[King PSYZ]

Well I did try and write about it for the school paper which I was an editor/political cartoonist for and was summarily fired/kicked out of that class for.

Other than that I guess I figured it was pretty common knowledge at the time that the military was doing this otherwise how could they get away with it right? Knowing what I know now though it was pretty shiesty and just only recently coming to light that the military is doing this with our public schools.