Change...

[zippo]

si tu angel ya no es tan transparente, y vos ya no sos vos...dale coraje y otro lenguaje... :

if your soul isnt as transparent anymore, and youre not you anymore...have courage and try another language.

how easy and involuntary is it to wake up to another self? to wake up to another you? without seemingly having done anything to get there. little by little, you know how it is, tiny apparently unsignificative changes of character forced upon you because of the place youve moved to/visit, or the people that surround you, or the places you dont visit anymore. this is about leaving a part of you behind and later waking up to realize youre not you anymore, who you wanted to be, or who you were content being. and not neccesarily having changed into something you dont want to be, just into someone partially different.

like a sudden flash or quick cold gust of wind at the end of summer...hints fo something. you remember you were on a particular road, you remember that road and gain consciousness that youre not on it anymore. a kind of slap in the face. like putting the kettle on the fire and forgetting about it,then coming back to it 6 years later and taking it off the stove. or looking through a photo album and seeing a pair of socks you dont recognize but after you keep looking, this whole string of memories comes to you, and youre amazed at this whole reality hidden silently in your memory. and realize you have jumped into another reality of your own.

are there many roads to take to be who you are or is there just one?

[adam_f]

I have 37 cents in my pocket.

[zippo]

i hate you!

but you bring the funny.

[TAL]

I use at least two languages every day.

[adam_f]

I hate anyone who says that Oates looks better without the moustache. I'm sure Hall misses his furry buddy.

[Nuzzolese]

Is it important to remember where you were and how you got there? It's inevitable that you'll forget who you were before. But that doesn't mean you'r not just some collage of the places you've been and the people you've known. You're the combined effort of everything that's touched you. I don't understand the question that depends on a choice between one road or many. :confused:

[ericlee]

ren nuo huo shu nuo si= change is good for everyone as long as it's for the better.

Believe me, I try. Hence my desire for travel and learning new languages and culture.

[zippo]

Is it important to remember where you were and how you got there? It's inevitable that you'll forget who you were before. But that doesn't mean you'r not just some collage of the places you've been and the people you've known. You're the combined effort of everything that's touched you. I don't understand the question that depends on a choice between one road or many. :confused:

im not too sure either nuzz...maybe i meant to ask myself if we all really conserve a root identity (fuck i sware after qdrop made that thread he fucked me up on spelling that correctly) throughout life. if different ways of doing things, saying things, a tweak in our personalities, a difference in how we react,etc...if all those those characteristics that supposedly define us really do define us,when, they dont maintain themselves throughout our lives. do we have a root? whats our root, our core? you know...like finding that out for yourself. as some type of personal excersize. of course we have a root in us, weve gotta have one...right? i suppose so.

the kind of thuoght that comes up after youve finished a phase. was that really me before? or am i more me now? "combined effort of everything"...i sometimes feel detached from a particular angle in my life thats already passed, making it difficult to accept that.

its beautiful and thought provoking...

[zippo]

ren nuo huo shu nuo si= change is good for everyone as long as it's for the better.

Believe me, I try. Hence my desire for travel and learning new languages and culture.

you know, youre not as bad as i thuoght you were

haha...hey its a good thing

[Nuzzolese]

I don't think we have a root personality at all. I mean, even if we did, it would have had to take hold at some time, right? What age would your root personality have solidified into a permanent state? 3? 5? In the womb? No, I think it constantly changes. I think it feels more stable to think of yourself in terms of a type; an aquarious, your mother's daughter, the shy one. But it's just what we adopt voluntarily (if not consciously) in order to make daily decisions easier. And we see it in other people and emulate what we think is a pattern, tweak it a little to our personal situations or ideas. I think we even adopt personalities we don't especially like, just because they seem feasible. When you wake up wondering what made you the real you, you're more in tune with being aware of how things really are; there is no core you.

[b i o n i c]

now that's what we've been missing around here.

[mickill]

Can a stalk of corn really conciously decide to sprout coconuts from its top? Can a dandelion seed tell itself, " dammit! I wanna be a rose, and I'm gonna grow into one dammit I'm gonna do it dammit!" and actually make it so? I think you see where I'm going with this.

[Nuzzolese]

Can a stalk of corn really conciously decide to sprout coconuts from its top? Can a dandelion seed tell itself, " dammit! I wanna be a rose, and I'm gonna grow into one dammit I'm gonna do it dammit!" and actually make it so? I think you see where I'm going with this.

A stalk of corn can't consciously decide to do anything, it doesn't have a conscousness.
I'm not talking about changing into a dog or something, I'm just saying a leopard can change its spots....I think. You can change who you are. You can change your tendencies and you are not doomed to repeat the past. Although you have honest preferences, you're not doomed to stay the same your entirely life.

[zippo]

I don't think we have a root personality at all. I mean, even if we did, it would have had to take hold at some time, right? What age would your root personality have solidified into a permanent state? 3? 5? In the womb? No, I think it constantly changes. I think it feels more stable to think of yourself in terms of a type; an aquarious, your mother's daughter, the shy one. But it's just what we adopt voluntarily (if not consciously) in order to make daily decisions easier. And we see it in other people and emulate what we think is a pattern, tweak it a little to our personal situations or ideas. I think we even adopt personalities we don't especially like, just because they seem feasible. When you wake up wondering what made you the real you, you're more in tune with being aware of how things really are; there is no core you.

im so going to think about that

[mickill]

A stalk of corn can't consciously decide to do anything, it doesn't have a conscousness.
I'm not talking about changing into a dog or something, I'm just saying a leopard can change its spots....I think. You can change who you are. You can change your tendencies and you are not doomed to repeat the past. Although you have honest preferences, you're not doomed to stay the same your entirely life.
I need you to think laterally, not literally, here for a second, nahumsayin? I need you to approach this from an angle which is not parallelly equalitive to the normalic way to which you are accustomed to thinkasizing. Set aside your personal differences with me for a moment and forget about the cornstalks lacking consciousness. The cornstalk is merely a device for my analogical hypotheisis. Smell what I'm sayin? It could be a mountain wanting to be the ocean even. I'm just saying, some people are idiots and that can't always be undone. Now, say a raindrop has tiny little aspirations to become a snowflake. That's not entirely impossible now. Ya dig?

[Ace42X]

are there many roads to take to be who you are or is there just one?

Just the one. Time is an illusion, as is the mutability of the future. We can no more change the future today than an ancient Roman can change our past. Alternative "paths" exist only in potential, in reality there can be and is only one, and that path is dictated by more than just your personal choices.

[zippo]

mickill you are such a god, you have gold in your mouth mickill, mickill you are divine

[mickill]

Well, I have the whole top diamond, but the bottom row's gold.

[zippo]

Alternative "paths" exist only in potential, in reality there can be and is only one, and that path is dictated by more than just your personal choices.

not according to "What the Bleep do we know?" (oh yea, tracky, i saw it finally hehe). im just kidding...that documentary was alot of things we could basically come to conclusion on our own, not neccesarily something new, but it did give you hope.


alternative paths...it sure feels like theres more than one, when you cant identify with an angle of your past self.

growth huh.

[Ace42X]

not according to "What the Bleep do we know?"

Then it is wrong, or at the least misleading. You cannot change your past, and you are living your "future-past" now, why should that be more mutable?

[zippo]

Then it is wrong, or at the least misleading. You cannot change your past, and you are living your "future-past" now, why should that be more mutable?

im referring to involuntary change more than a conscious one, forget my comment on the movie, i was just kidding around mentioning it, but, yes,ofcourse, context is also an active part in change, like we both mentioned earlier.

now, this seemingly involuntary change that goes on (maybe its just simply "growth" and to hell with it)...are we ever in a phase where were the "most correct version of us"? like, comparing our life line horizontally instead of vertically (disconsidering growth)? starting from a minimum age ofcourse, maybe only within adulthood.

"i was better off"

"...like we used to"

"i forgot"

etc

[Ace42X]

are we ever in a phase where were the "most correct version of us"?

Certainly there is an apex to everyone's life which they can look back on and go "I was truly at the top of my game there." Ageing guarantees that people wane as well as grow.

What "most correct" means though is awkward. Given the existential nature of the world, trying to ascribing meaning or values to a series of events is relatively meaningless.

Most correct could mean happiest, most comfortable, most intelligent, most witty or sharp, most knowledgeable, fastest, fittest, handsomest, etc.

[zippo]

What "most correct" means though is awkward. Given the existential nature of the world, trying to ascribing meaning or values to a series of events is relatively meaningless.

Most correct could mean happiest, most comfortable, most intelligent, most witty or sharp, most knowledgeable, fastest, fittest, handsomest, etc.

taking out handsomest and fittest because they dont relate, ill add most patient, sensitive, open, decisive, caring, simple, creative...

not events, people. not meaningless. life as a profession.

[fucktopgirl]

now, this seemingly involuntary change that goes on (maybe its just simply "growth" and to hell with it)...are we ever in a phase where were the "most correct version of us"? like, comparing our life line horizontally instead of vertically (disconsidering growth)? starting from a minimum age ofcourse, maybe only within adulthood.

I think we are in a constant phase of evolution/degradation,,somehow!

We can always better ourselves every second,every wind that blow, every flower we smell,every shit we take!

WE have the choice to remain stagnant or to evolve.
Everything we are in contact,we can better ourselve or digg our grave!

[ericlee]

I'm quite happy for the way I shit and it will never change which is actually good considering the many decades that toilet paper has been around and it's probably the one thing in life that will never change.

[ericlee]

you know, youre not as bad as i thuoght you were

I'm still pondering that part. Maybe because I went to the mid east to be a "ruffian", maybe not but this thread topic is partially the reason why I went over there. This is turning out to be a lovely thread btw and I want to commend you on that:)

Anyway, I've been wanting to express on why I went there so I'll let it out and don't worry, I won't do it in a Geraldo type manner.

Mainly the reason why I went there is because I wanted to clear a dept. I hate owing people especially since the fact that the dept was created due to someone else's negligence such as my ex. I was in such a bad dept that it would take a quite large amount of years to clear up and while being there, I've managed to clear it up quickly.

I also went there as to try to apoligize for the mess our dumbfuck leader has created for as to this big mess, he's created some bad people over it and I wanted to at least do my share and try to weed the bad ones out.

Now it comes to the change part. I was in the army for 8 years as an 11 bravo which is foot infantryman. A ground pounder or a grunt as the marines would call it, so you could now see that an occupation of a such profession as mine is very limited for me in the civilian world. I've been working some dead end jobs in the states and saw the opportunity and decided to jump on it. Mainly because I felt a void in my life and I wanted a change of pace and to see who I really am, to challange myself and to see if the time in the military wasn't just a waste of time. Yes, what I've done has been ugly and barbaric but there's no turning back now and it does have to be done, thanks to our god like leader.(n)

I also wanted to change all of the negativity I've been hearing about the Arab culture so this was a chance for me to go there and I'm so glad I did. I completely basked and indulged myself into such a warm and unique culture.
The Arab tradition is based upon kindness to others and to treat everybody as family. Sad enough that that only falls in the Bedouin lower class tribes as compared to the rich oil wealthy ones. The more wealthy ones are a dime and a dozen with the same traditional upbringing point of view, but, it happens in the states often too. The more wealth, the more snobbness so there's really no difference. I've meet so many cool local of that area friends that I'm glad that I have stepped up and went all the way out to clear all of the bias I've been hearing. I'm glad I changed those shit comments I've been hearing and reversing it and throwing it back in their faces like a monkey chucking poo.

Alrighty, that's enough talk about that. I can only talk so much because it did come with a bad side and I get occasional flashbacks. It's the only downfall, I've lost some good friends but we all knew the risks we would take as to being over there.

You know, one word I really hate is stagnant. Stagnant location, frame of mind etc in the human body is just terrible. Why is it that the only thing I can think of when I hear racism I imply stagnant? Sad people, the inability to except that there's a whole beautiful world out there but with a stagnat frame of mind allows an increase of inability and loss of will to go step foot or even read about it.

My ability to accept change has enabled me to find the love of my life and I cherish everyday that I wake up and can glance into her still asleep eyes and then drift back into sleep. It's also given me the desire to learn her culture, language, feelings etc. all due to the fact that change for the better in life is widely excepted in my life and I embrace every minute of it.

P.S. I still remember your response that fell among the lines of when I travel to different countries, I wave the Yankee flag or something like that.

Here's (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/eric286/Picture067.jpg) a little proof to show you that I am willing to except the fact that I'm a visitor in their country and I'll try to dress appropiate by wearing at least the traditional casual clothes.:rolleyes:




haha...hey its a good thing

well, hopefully you won't vanish again and hopefully this thread doesn't dissapear and get lost somewhere in the midst. This is me, yeah, I make some wisecracks but hopefully once you or anybody have the chance to read this can see me open up. I've been here for a month shy of 2 years and it's about time for you and everybody here to know me.

[ericlee]

jesus, did I kill this one too?

hmm, I tried not to.

[zippo]

P.S. I still remember your response that fell among the lines of when I travel to different countries, I wave the Yankee flag or something like that.


well, hopefully you won't vanish again and hopefully this thread doesn't dissapear and get lost somewhere in the midst. This is me, yeah, I make some wisecracks but hopefully once you or anybody have the chance to read this can see me open up. I've been here for a month shy of 2 years and it's about time for you and everybody here to know me.

hey man, thanks for contributing earlier on with some thoughts of your own. thanks a whole fucking lot, for opening up and thinking and writing and communicating. also, sorry for having ran to conclusions about your efforts on this board. :)

[fucktopgirl]

I'm quite happy for the way I shit and it will never change which is actually good considering the many decades that toilet paper has been around and it's probably the one thing in life that will never change.

well,that is what not what i was refering too.I was talking about meditation while doing your daily cleaning.THis moment is as important as any other,you can have illumination right there at that moment!
I should'nt have put this phrase tho,,my reply lost all is sense and deepness!

What i meant is that we are the master of our thoughs,ourselves,so you want to better yourself,well you gotta think first,be independant .If you follow the freaking bunch of sheep,well you will always stay the same pretty much.YOu have to jump the gates that where established by the Ones who determined what is right and wrong.

What zippo ask "if we ever or will be the most correct version of us?"this rely a lot on what You think is correct first.For everybody ,its mean different thing.But the most correct version of us is there,all the time!

anyway i will stop make you guys suffer with my super english writting!

[zippo]

and another thing, for all the bullshit some of you all gave fucktopgirl on how difficult it was to understand her writing, what a cheap and easy way to collectively gang up on someone, its not that difficult to try to understand what shes saying, but alas, it takes a bit of effort, something already deemed to be missing in this place.
and you know why im saying this? because, as opposed to alot of the people that bitched at her about that, she does take an effort to sometimes think and communicate in non-bullshit threads, im not qualifying her posts, but i sure am fukin recognizing an effort the majority doesnt have.

while shes missing the language factor (props to try to constanly communicate in another language), the many of you are missing something else much more significative.

[iceygirl]

so many roads