To the peeps who post pictures of their kids

[Ally Al]

do you ever think about the internet and the type of weirdo's who could be lurking here ?

It's obvious you're all very proud and rightly so, and people say nice things but you probably know very little about your fellow posters.

I have two sons and i wouldn't even consider it, especially when you see some of the things people can do with photo shop and stuff. who knows were these pictures could end up

This is not an attack on anyone by the way, i'm just curious (and prolly a little paranoid) how you feel about that ?

[mickill]

I don't sweat it.

[marsdaddy]

I LIVE for the nice things people say.

[Ally Al]

I don't sweat it.

we had some weirdo lurking my oldest sons school and i think thats just made me double paranoid about all that kind of stuff

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what don't you sweat though ? you don't think that sort of thing happens ??

[DIGI]

*sits in leather chair with back to you petting a cat*

[Ally Al]

I LIVE for the nice things people say.


then you're a happy man right ?

[Ally Al]

*sits in leather chair with back to you petting a cat*


:confused:

[adam_f]

He's a moron.

[mickill]

we had some weirdo lurking my oldest sons school and i think thats just made me double paranoid about all that kind of stuff

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what don't you sweat though ? you don't think that sort of thing happens ??
I'm not saying it doesn't. I guess I just don't think about it here.

[DIGI]

He's a moron.


Just like Cliff Claven, huh?

[adam_f]

Yes, exactly like Cliff Clavin. Exactly.

[enree erzweglle]

I do think about that and not just related to my kid but to myself as well. Mostly, I've done it to preserve privacy/anonymity to a degree, but also because I don't know where that stuff will wind up. I've raised this issue here before and basically got this: :rolleyes: which makes me go :rolleyes:

I had a bad, bad experience when photos of me were stolen repeatedly by a guy who wound up stalking me and threatening me/my friends. He stole actual photos and then he did stuff with those photos. He had to go out of his way to get the photos. There's basically no effort involved in getting a photo that's on the internet. I don't want to repeat what happened to me with that guy.

I have never posted a photo of my kid on the internet. I have emailed a couple of photos of him (as an adult) to close friends and to a couple of people that I probably shouldn't have now that I think about it, but I did what felt like the right thing at the time. I've never posted them openly on a forum and I've trusted that the people that I did send photos to would not re-distribute/re-post them.

People who are my son's age (in their 20s) are very open about these things; they don't seem to think it's an issue at all to post their names, addresses, photos, and personal stories. Maybe it just takes getting hurt before they realize what they're doing. Or maybe I'm just what, when I was growing up, I would have called a fogey. :)

[ms.peachy]

I've been giving it some thought lately, as I'm sure that once this kid makes her way out of me, I'll be wanting to plaster photos of her here, there and everywhere. BUT I'm very wary of the whole security thing - there aren't any photos of me or my husband here for a reason, you know? It's just not something I am personally comfortable with. So I dunno if I will post photos of the baby or not.

[monkey]

i think it has to do with a big generational change. we are used to having our lives on display, be it the internet or other ways. we grew up with this ability and i guess none of us think that much about it. privacy is an issue that not even the government believes in.

oh ms. p: cover the baby's little eyes with a black bar. that'll keep her safe. :p

[Randetica]

*sits in leather chair with back to you petting a cat*

hahahahahha.

[enree erzweglle]

i think it has to do with a big generational change. we are used to having our lives on display, be it the internet or other ways. we grew up with this ability and i guess none of us think that much about it. privacy is an issue that not even the government believes in.I was thinking this same thing. When I was your age, I was on the internet, but it wasn't what it is today. It wasn't point and click--it was text-based. Photos weren't a thing that everyone could do the way they can now. I think, in my 20s, I would have posted a lot more about myself if I could have. When I WAS in my 20s, I posted a lot for myself and a whole lot for friends who didn't have access to the internet and who wanted info and I usually didn't even make the distinction. It felt so different then because there were only like a few thousand people, tops, online.

I do think some of the precautions that I mentioned come with time and experience. You hear about things that happen here/there; some of them happen to you or your friends, and those things make you ease up, hold back more so than you would have otherwise. The thing is that you probably won't know when you're being scary-stalked, when they're doing crazy ass shit with your stuff until it's just a bit too late. That's how it was with me.

[Guy Incognito]

S'pose its down to personal choice really. If your comfortable putting them on a board where its reasonably safe to assume that youre in the company of reasonably like minded people then fine. Obviously you dont know everyone but you wouldnt stick around here or even think about posting pics if you thought there were too many weirdo's on here. Weirdo's being the nasty kind, not just oddballs (there's loads of them!)

Of course all parts of the internet are accessible to almost anyone which includes here but if youre worried about that then you wouldnt give any info, names, pictures or anything about yourself or family which would render the internet pretty useless to you. No talking to anyone , no buying anything, no email.

I can see both sides here and completely understand anyone who doesnt want to do that. I am not going to when my kid is born in a few months but I imagine that anyone who does has thought about it before they do it and if they are fine with that then thats cool.

[marsdaddy]

BUT I'm very wary of the whole security thing - there aren't any photos of me or my husband here for a reason, you know?That's what Madonna said, and look at poor Lourdes, now! :(

[enree erzweglle]

I can see both sides here and completely understand anyone who doesnt want to do that. I am not going to when my kid is born in a few months but I imagine that anyone who does has thought about it before they do it and if they are fine with that then thats cool.I see both sides as well. It's like what Pauli was saying--it's something that a generation is growing up with and they might not think twice about it and how they use it.

Also, it might not occur to them that there are privacy issues beyond their own to consider. Like if I post a story and tell a bunch of shit about, say, a boyfriend, and people know me by my real name and/or photo, then I've kind of outted that BF too. I don't know if people think about that.

I have two friends who were influential code developers/sw architects in the 80s & 90s. A lot of the work they did then and are doing now is stuff that we use every damn day. In the early 90s, I remember them saying, "Ahhh, careful. I wouldn't be doing what so many people are doing." and that was a reference to the practice of posting plain text in newsgroups.

[CrankItUp!]

do you ever think about the internet and the type of weirdo's who could be lurking here ?

It's obvious you're all very proud and rightly so, and people say nice things but you probably know very little about your fellow posters.

I have two sons and i wouldn't even consider it, especially when you see some of the things people can do with photo shop and stuff. who knows were these pictures could end up

This is not an attack on anyone by the way, i'm just curious (and prolly a little paranoid) how you feel about that ?

(lb) I detect somebody whose kids are probably ugly as fuck anyway.

[Ally Al]

(lb) I detect somebody whose kids are probably ugly as fuck anyway.


yeah good one. my sons are beautiful thanks and would prolly both kick your arse now you dickhead. I detect somebody who really is the biggest loser on his trailer park

btw calling little richard a "little black fellow" is almost as bad as calling kanye west a n****r you pointless prick

[ScarySquirrel]

I really don't see what the problem with is with posting kid pictures. So what if some creep is getting off on them? So what if he's cutting and pasting that stuff onto naked bodies or whatever? So long as he doesn't know your address and he/she can't get to you... big deal.

Eventually people are going to be thinking that dirty stuff about your kid anyway.

[CrankItUp!]

yeah good one. my sons are beautiful thanks and would prolly both kick your arse now you dickhead. I detect somebody who really is the biggest loser on his trailer park

btw calling little richard a "little black fellow" is almost as bad as calling kanye west a n****r you pointless prick
(lb) Your inane signature alone tells everyone just how much of a closed minded ignorant ass idiot that you pathetically just happen to be.

[Freebasser]

especially when you see some of the things people can do with photo shop and stuff. who knows were these pictures could end up

*Scribbles on post-it note*

Nah, really - I've only ever photoshopped two kids on here, and it was Knuckles' and Marsdaddy's little rogues. It was a Starsky and Hutch promotional poster and it had G-Mile as Huggy Bear (y)

[ericlee]

If you're afraid to post your pics of your kids on the internet then, you might as well not even walk into public because those same wierdos that will do such a thing lurk among us once we walk out that door.

[DandyFop]

No need for this thread to turn ugly...I think it's an interesting question, yes.

I know how fucking nerdy this is, but I've actually thought before that if I somehow became famous or something, how some of the shit (okay a lot) here could come back to haunt me. Hah.

I better call my agent.

[ericlee]

Why be afraid? If some sick fuck will take the pics of everybody's kids here and do nasty things with them then it's almost very obvious that they have as well surfed the net to find all the kiddy porn to satisfy their sickness.

In due time and it usually it doesn't take long till they get tracked down and taken care of properly.

[iceygirl]

No need for this thread to turn ugly...I think it's an interesting question, yes.

I know how fucking nerdy this is, but I've actually thought before that if I somehow became famous or something, how some of the shit (okay a lot) here could come back to haunt me. Hah.

I better call my agent.

not nerdy, realistic

think about running for president. imfuckingpossible.(y)

[g-mile7]

ain't nobody to fear on here let alone be able to take out anybody who post their pic.....most the people are already good parents let alone good people who post pics of their kids so I am sure they would not allow their kid to be in a postion to be taken....but I also have restrained from posting pix of my brothers,sisters let alone folks although I might one day(maybe not after seeing the photoshop jobs that came from Auton's family pic :( )

[louise]

[QUOTE=ScarySquirrel]I really don't see what the problem with is with posting kid pictures. NO ??
So what if some creep is getting off on them?
* Well if they are still little kids i have a problem with that !!
So what if he's cutting and pasting that stuff onto naked bodies or whatever? * That's just sick !! That could be a reson not to do it .
So long as he doesn't know your address and he/she can't get to you... big deal. * To get information is getting easyer and easyer these day's !!

Eventually people are going to be thinking that dirty stuff about your kid anyway. * no problem if they are old enuff but not when they are still so little !!

[ScarySquirrel]

Yeah, it is easier and easier to get information these days. But it's not like these people with kids are posting their full names or anything... so it's not a big issue.

Besides, if people can't even access information like how to correctly spell "easier," then I don't think we need to worry about finding addresses.

[louise]

Besides, if people can't even access information like how to correctly spell "easier," then I don't think we need to worry about finding addresses.

** just make a point about a writing mistake :confused: , hell talk to me in dutch and let's see what you make out off it !!

[Ally Al]

(lb) Your inane signature alone tells everyone just how much of a closed minded ignorant ass idiot that you pathetically just happen to be.


this from the man who thinks it's ok to call black people n*****s. I do feel sorry for you in a way, you being a retard and all, but you can't help being a bi-product of a relationship between family members can you

with regards my sig, well you're really getting me confused with someone who gives a fuck about what you think hillbilly boy

[Ally Al]

If you're afraid to post your pics of your kids on the internet then, you might as well not even walk into public because those same wierdos that will do such a thing lurk among us once we walk out that door.

i'm not afraid and i really don't think people are wrong for doing it it was just something i thought about yesterday. It just fucks me off that we live in a world where i have to think about those sort of things.

[Ally Al]

First, everybody please stop insulting people's kids, that is not right, and you know it.

And, yeah, sure I worry a little. But, I also worry when we are out in public of predators too. Damn shame, but the world ain't safe.


right on (y)

[ms.peachy]

Yeah, it is easier and easier to get information these days. But it's not like these people with kids are posting their full names or anything... so it's not a big issue.

Besides, if people can't even access information like how to correctly spell "easier," then I don't think we need to worry about finding addresses.
I think this is a bit naive. (I'm not aiming this strictly at you SS, just picking your example btw.) Here's what happened to a woman I know:

This was in the early-mid 90's, when stuff like chatrooms etc were first starting to become popular. This woman - let's call her Jane - was a member of some aol or compuserve group, and at one point - after she'd been posting for about a year, amongst the same basic bunch of people, a guy who was a bit of a 'lurker' within the group started very actively stalking her. Jane had only ever posted one photo of her self and her kids, but he had, over time, been gathering bits of info about her from stuff she'd mentioned on-line and he managed to work out the town where she lived. Then, using the photo of her kids, he basically hung around the local schools until he identified her children, and one day her son came home with a note that said "A man at the school told me to give you this." And of course it was a note from the guy, saying all kinds of things about how he'd been watching her children and how lovely they were and how he thought they's all make a lovely family etc etc, really creepy.

It got worse from there, but I won't go into the whole thing.

Basically, my point is, it would be lovely to believe we can all trust eachother here and that no one who drops in will be a major psychopath that will threaten us or our children. But one nutjob can really ruin your whole day.

As far as there being all kinds of risks in everyday life, I totally agree. However, I can't help but feel that as a parent, a major part of my job is to take steps to minimise those risks where it is within my power to do so - not just shrug and say "yeah well, whaddya gonna do?"

[ms.peachy]

this from the man who thinks it's ok to call black people n*****s. I do feel sorry for you in a way, you being a retard and all, but you can't help being a bi-product of a relationship between family members can you

As a side note, I have to wonder, do you not see the irony in slagging off someone for using the word 'nigger', when you seem to feel it's perfectly fine to throw around the word 'retard'?

The words pot and kettle come to mind, no?

[enree erzweglle]

Yeah, it is easier and easier to get information these days. But it's not like these people with kids are posting their full names or anything... so it's not a big issue.No, but a lot of people know the names and, in some cases, the addresses of the people who are posting the photos. Usually, those people live in the same house with the kids.

I tend to think that you have to watch what you post/say basically out of common sense and a sense of privacy for yourself and your family/friends, but that weird predator stuff happens too. If they haven't done so already, people maybe need to think about it the implications of where that stuff could wind up. And they maybe need to think in terms of stuff that gets archived (Google for now) and that what they say now might not be a thing that they want to have archived like that.

[enree erzweglle]

About Google: I know a guy who loves to Google the names of his co-workers, family, friends; he tries to find stuff out about them. Where they're posting, what they're saying, which aliases they're using--he especially loves to do that aliases thing. He's shameless about it and he's also very good at it. He followed his one friend to a forum like this one; now he sits back and spies on his friend and he thinks that's cool. I think it's pathetic and creepy.

I know someone else who Googles her friends/relatives and although she is somewhat secretive about it, sometimes she finds something and feels compelled to share it and I shut that right down. I don't google my friends/relatives and I don't want to know what people are finding when they do.

I do think it's funny when people come to me and say, "I googled your name and found all sorts of stuff out about you." And I laugh because my real name is very common. I'm apparently an architect, a photographer, a bed & breakfast owner, a real estate agent, and a newspaper columnist--and that's just the stuff that appears above the Google fold. :)

[Ally Al]

As a side note, I have to wonder, do you not see the irony in slagging off someone for using the word 'nigger', when you seem to feel it's perfectly fine to throw around the word 'retard'?

The words pot and kettle come to mind, no?

not really if i'm being honest. I called him a retard because he is a racist. He insulted my children also which is basically open season in my book

[Ally Al]

[QUOTE=ScarySquirrel]I really don't see what the problem with is with posting kid pictures. So what if some creep is getting off on them? So what if he's cutting and pasting that stuff onto naked bodies or whatever? So long as he doesn't know your address and he/she can't get to you... big deal.


there is so much wrong with this sentence i really don't know where to start

[abcdefz]

Actually, I'd think that with babies, that's about the only time you're safe to post kids' pictures. No stranger can walk up to a four month old and offer information cobbled from Mommy's or Daddy's (or brother's or sister's) posts, saying, "Yeah -- Bobby and Susan asked ME to pick you up after school today." I'd say that probably for the first year or whatever, they're fairly safe.

But, yes: to be absolutely safe, I guess you wouldn't even want your posts to necessarily reflect your geographic region, but that's starting to get a little paranoid, I think, except probably for minors.

[ericlee]

i'm not afraid and i really don't think people are wrong for doing it it was just something i thought about yesterday. It just fucks me off that we live in a world where i have to think about those sort of things.

yeah, it's kinda shitty to think about the society but I don't sweat it because I do know that it's not too hard to track these sickos down.

As mentioned earlier, this kind of sickness doesn't stop at just taking pics of kids and photoshopping them onto naked bodies. Most likely, they will also surf the net for pedophile sites and will get tracked down via ip address.

Everybody here has a fairly tight e-bond and they want to share their pride and joy. There's too many things that are wrong in the world and it's good to have a conscience about it but it's better to overcome the paranoia.

[Ally Al]

yeah, it's kinda shitty to think about the society but I don't sweat it because I do know that it's not too hard to track these sickos down.

As mentioned earlier, this kind of sickness doesn't stop at just taking pics of kids and photoshopping them onto naked bodies. Most likely, they will also surf the net for pedophile sites and will get tracked down via ip address.

Everybody here has a fairly tight e-bond and they want to share their pride and joy. There's too many things that are wrong in the world and it's good to have a conscience about it but it's better to overcome the paranoia.


sharing the pride and joy is beautiful thing man, i'm all for that, just parental concerns you know

i had a heated discussion with a dude on some other boards about pedo's using computer sims of sex acts with children as an outlet for their urges. For me thats not a solution because if you like porn, computer sims just don't cut it. So it's not long before they'll go out looking for real child porn and we all know where that can lead

the media over here is probably blowing the whole thing out of proportion but when you read that pedo's are snatching children out of houses when their fucking parents are in the house it's frightening stuff

[enree erzweglle]

the media over here is probably blowing the whole thing out of proportion but when you read that pedo's are snatching children out of houses when their fucking parents are in the house it's frightening stuffI think when you become a parent, a thing happens to you that makes this stuff much more intolerable than it was before. Like before my kid, stuff like that: awfully bad. But after my kid, man, it's a whole new playing field.

That stalker guy that I mentioned previously--man, at a point, he started to make overtones about my kid and then found him as he was walking home from school and gave him a gift. Which, of course, my kid showed to me and I felt myself go cold all over. The gift: a postcard of The Scream. That guy, sending a message to me and that's when I went to the police.

[Ally Al]

I think when you become a parent, a thing happens to you that makes this stuff much more intolerable than it was before. Like before my kid, stuff like that: awfully bad. But after my kid, man, it's a whole new playing field.

That stalker guy that I mentioned previously--man, at a point, he started to make overtones about my kid and then found him as he was walking home from school and gave him a gift. Which, of course, my kid showed to me and I felt myself go cold all over. The gift: a postcard of The Scream. That guy, sending a message to me and that's when I went to the police.


holy shit!!! thats just not right at all, what a tool. Did your child pick up on what was going on ?

and you are totally right about how your whole outlook on life changes when you have kids. The world is a totally different place (but a very beautiful one too!)

[marsdaddy]

This was in the early-mid 90's, when stuff like chatrooms etc were first starting to become popular. This woman - let's call her Jane - was a member of some aol or compuserve group, and at one point - after she'd been posting for about a year, amongst the same basic bunch of people, a guy who was a bit of a 'lurker' within the group started very actively stalking her.
This reminds me of a story about vacationers, a toothbrush, and a camera. :rolleyes:

Now I know stalking happens, and I know some things are out of your control, whether you post pics of yourself, your kids, or whatnot. However, like you said in a relationship thread, life is an adventure. And feeling good about having kids and posting their pics for biased feedback can be a wonderful part of that adventure. As can having your kids embrace an adventurous life, too.

Also, I'm more concerned about people at sporting events, the mall, and the local kiddie pool than the internet. I can't live my life -- or my kids' -- in fear. I'm teaching confidence here, not paranoia.

Doesn't mean I won't teach caution, but I'm setting the foundation and there will be plenty of time to teach the exceptions.

[enree erzweglle]

holy shit!!! thats just not right at all, what a tool. Did your child pick up on what was going on ?Not really, not then at least. He was older when this happened so he knew that something odd was going on but he didn't know the details. Yes, the guy was sick.

and you are totally right about how your whole outlook on life changes when you have kids. The world is a totally different place (but a very beautiful one too!)Yes, a lot of stuff shifts. It's not an overnight thing or it wasn't for me. It happened over time and I realized, wow, things have changed for me & at a quantum level and I sort of didn't even realize it. The obvious stuff changes overnight (schedules and diapers) but I'm talking about shifts in attitude...that sort of crept over me and it happened unassisted.

[mickill]

What marsdaddy said. CO-SIGNED.

[Ally Al]

This reminds me of a story about vacationers, a toothbrush, and a camera. :rolleyes:

Now I know stalking happens, and I know some things are out of your control, whether you post pics of yourself, your kids, or whatnot. However, like you said in a relationship thread, life is an adventure. And feeling good about having kids and posting their pics for biased feedback can be a wonderful part of that adventure. As can having your kids embrace an adventurous life, too.

Also, I'm more concerned about people at sporting events, the mall, and the local kiddie pool than the internet. I can't live my life -- or my kids' -- in fear. I'm teaching confidence here, not paranoia.

Doesn't mean I won't teach caution, but I'm setting the foundation and there will be plenty of time to teach the exceptions.


sounds good to me. just want to make the point i'm not living in fear and neither are my children. I do all i can to protect mine and i'll defend them anyway i can, and when the times come they'll learn how to defend and protect themselves. It's more society that concerns me than internet message boards.

[abcdefz]

This reminds me of a story about vacationers, a toothbrush, and a camera. :rolleyes:

Now I know stalking happens, and I know some things are out of your control, whether you post pics of yourself, your kids, or whatnot. However, like you said in a relationship thread, life is an adventure. And feeling good about having kids and posting their pics for biased feedback can be a wonderful part of that adventure. As can having your kids embrace an adventurous life, too.

Also, I'm more concerned about people at sporting events, the mall, and the local kiddie pool than the internet. I can't live my life -- or my kids' -- in fear. I'm teaching confidence here, not paranoia.

Doesn't mean I won't teach caution, but I'm setting the foundation and there will be plenty of time to teach the exceptions.


I basically agree, but I'm sure that you'd never post "Here's my beautiful boy and we live on X Street in Y City and he goes to Z Preschool" etc.

[enree erzweglle]

There's a difference between pre/caution and paranoia.

I don't think a person is necessarily paranoid if they avoid posting their photos online; I think it's a matter of taking precautions.

[Ally Al]

There's a difference between pre/caution and paranoia.

I don't think a person is necessarily paranoid if they avoid posting their photos online; I think it's a matter of taking precautions.


good point

[marsdaddy]

There's a difference between pre/caution and paranoia.Kind of like the difference between healthy and OCD? ;)

I don't think my rules apply to you.

Now that mickill has co-signed my post, I'm defaulting.(y)

[mickill]

I was only really referring to the part where you said that life is an adventure, anyway. I was like, he's got a point.

[ms.peachy]

This reminds me of a story about vacationers, a toothbrush, and a camera. :rolleyes:

If you're implying that you think I am just passing along some random urban legend, I have to say, I am a bit offended. This is something that happened to a co-worker of mine, and as I said in my original post it got worse before it got better, and it was a very tense time for all of us who worked with her, because we worked in a place open to the public (a museum) and so couldn't entirely police who was coming in or out of the place. Witnessing what she went through had a very strong impact on me.

You do what you feel is right for your family and I will do what I feel is right for mine. But if you're going to call me a liar, say it outright, pal, don't dance around it - I'm not interested.

[Lex Diamonds]

If someone wants to collect pictures of me, stalk me, and then try and rape me, I don't mind. Rapists are pussies with small dicks anyway, I'll just grab a brick or something and fuck him up.

[Planetary]

If someone wants to collect pictures of me, stalk me, and then try and rape me, I don't mind. Rapists are pussies with small dicks anyway, I'll just grab a brick or something and fuck him up.

lol.

[enree erzweglle]

Kind of like the difference between healthy and OCD? ;)I see the winky face and still, I think that was a mean thing to say. Some people maybe can abuse themselves with drink or drugs or poor diets or inactivity, whatever, but my family, man, we have some nasty hereditary illnesses that have taken some people prematurely. I do what I do (avoid the crap, exercise as much as I'm supposed to) to do what I can to get past that. I don't take my body for granted. Not saying that you do, just saying that it's not OCD. I know what OCD is.

[marsdaddy]

But if you're going to call me a liar, say it outright, pal, don't dance around it - I'm not interested.If your pants are on fire, you'll know.

Actually, what I was saying was that there are always extreme cases, exceptions, etc. I'm sure your experience was very real.

Well, I seem to have upset two people today. My job here is done.

[buddylee]

we had some weirdo lurking my oldest sons school and i think thats just made me double paranoid about all that kind of stuff

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what don't you sweat though ? you don't think that sort of thing happens ??


http://www.familywatchdog.us/

[Ally Al]

http://www.familywatchdog.us/


thanks man i appreciate that, uk resident though, but thanks anyway. Wonder if we have one of those

dude still hasn't been found either, not good

[ms.peachy]

Well, I seem to have upset two people today. My job here is done.
You've lost a chunk of my respect as well. Nice work, I'm glad you're pleased.

[Nuzzolese]

It's not enough that internet predators will get caught eventually. How much would that erase it all after the fact? Wouldn't you rather not give them the opportunity to do anything for which they might later be punished?

I do worry for other people's children. I see these beautiful families and they are quite candid about the cities where they live, what kinds of jobs they do, pictures of their homes and kids...I understand why they'd want to show off but as they invite attention into their lives, they leave a door open behind them as they turn out the lights and go to bed.

The way I see message boards like this is, it's like a dark room and you don't know how many people are in there. So you speak and others speak and you can hear their voices, and people reveal things about themselves sort of like shining a light on them, illuminating themselves for all to see.

But no matter how close-knit a group is, you're never sure who else is out there in the darkness listening and watching.

Paranoia is something that is negatively inhibiting. If the pride you get from sharing pictures with everyone is something you can do without, then it's not paranoia to keep private. People talk about how they don't want to live in fear. But what would people be missing out on by not sharing photos and personal info? Whatever they're missing out on, is obviously not important to them, so I don't see it as them living in fear or missing out on something that would benefit them or their children.

[enree erzweglle]

^^^ That is an amazing analogy and outlook. (lb) Thanks for articulating it perfectly.

[Nuzzolese]

hey...thank YOU for your support.(y)

[sab0tage]

I see these beautiful families and they are quite candid about the cities where they live, what kinds of jobs they do, pictures of their homes and kids...I understand why they'd want to show off but as they invite attention into their lives, they leave a door open behind them as they turn out the lights and go to bed.



I think it can also be the 'it will never happen to me' thing but also can be down to innocence. In my opinion I'm a pretty nice guy and don't imagine anyone on this board to be a psycho - it never enters my head.

But then again I could be a psycho as far as everyone alse is concerned

[Nuzzolese]

Maybe I've seen too many movies. It affects how I think about romance and danger.

[Ally Al]

It's not enough that internet predators will get caught eventually. How much would that erase it all after the fact? Wouldn't you rather not give them the opportunity to do anything for which they might later be punished?

I do worry for other people's children. I see these beautiful families and they are quite candid about the cities where they live, what kinds of jobs they do, pictures of their homes and kids...I understand why they'd want to show off but as they invite attention into their lives, they leave a door open behind them as they turn out the lights and go to bed.

The way I see message boards like this is, it's like a dark room and you don't know how many people are in there. So you speak and others speak and you can hear their voices, and people reveal things about themselves sort of like shining a light on them, illuminating themselves for all to see.

But no matter how close-knit a group is, you're never sure who else is out there in the darkness listening and watching.

Paranoia is something that is negatively inhibiting. If the pride you get from sharing pictures with everyone is something you can do without, then it's not paranoia to keep private. People talk about how they don't want to live in fear. But what would people be missing out on by not sharing photos and personal info? Whatever they're missing out on, is obviously not important to them, so I don't see it as them living in fear or missing out on something that would benefit them or their children.


very eloquently put (y)

[ms.peachy]

Yeah, and you could get your fucking head caved in by an asteroid tomorrow.
There are things in this world that I have the power to affect, and things I do not. I'll not be made to feel that taking steps to protect my family from the things which I can is a foolish or frivolous course of action.

I choose to live in a major world city. I am well aware that there are risks in every day life, from as simple as tripping over a crack in the sidewalk to getting blown up on public transport. There are lots of people who might criticise me for choosing to bring up a child in a city, because they feel the risks of urban life are too much to bear, and I should raise my child someplace 'cleaner' and 'safer'.

Well, that's how I feel about this issue. I don't feel that there is any reward for me in posting photos other than bragging rights, and for me, bragging rights are not worth knowing that some sicko might want to use my kid's pics and my personal info to do me and/or my family harm. Other people may feel differently and that's fine, it's their choice. But the fact that I can't protect my kid from every possible risk in the universe doesn't mean I won't choose to minimise any of them.

[sab0tage]

Yeah, and you could get your fucking head caved in by an asteroid tomorrow.

yeah but buying a steel umbrella ain't gonna make a difference is it

[DapperDiverge]

just do like michael jackson and cover your kids with sheets and masks... take your pictures...problem solved!! :p

[ms.peachy]

But then you could go ahead and say that if you privately emailed your pictures to a friend or family member, some sicko could hack you account, or what about someone who works for the email companies nad has that sort of access. Where do you stop?

Someone hacking a private account = one of those things I cannot control

Me posting photos on a public forum = one of the things I can

That's the difference. I don't worry about someone breaking into my house every time I go out, but I don't leave the door wide open, either.

[Documad]

meh

[Rich Cheney]

I posted my family pics here once, came home from work and Robin Williams was sitting on my couch.

[Knuckles]

Wow, I am surprised that some of you are so damn paranoid. Do you really think the risk of someone stalking you or your family is a realistic concern? What do you think the odds are? There is no way I'm going to live my life in fear of something that has such a minute chance of happening.

[CrankItUp!]

this from the man who thinks it's ok to call black people n*****s. I do feel sorry for you in a way, you being a retard and all, but you can't help being a bi-product of a relationship between family members can you

with regards my sig, well you're really getting me confused with someone who gives a fuck about what you think hillbilly boy

Re : Ally - (pussy fucking name btw!)

Yes, I did "WRONGFULLY!" use a very highly offensive racist word. AND I DO TRULY! APOLOGIZE AGAIN!!! for it's inept impact on this entire message board and undeservingly to every member here.

But, everything that YOU! stated concerning MYSELF! is obviously an inaccurate assumption.

Quote :
_______________________________________________
I HOPE YOUR FAMILY'S GOT LOVE FOR
YOUR SOLDIER, COZ ONE OF EM'S GONNA
BE AN ORGAN DONOR
_______________________________________________
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Now, THIS! tasteless/disrespectful motto of yours reflects upon yourself as being the most un-humanitarian, shameless motherfucker POSSIBLE! to use as ....YOUR SIGNATURE SLOGAN !!! - TO APPEAR ON YOUR EVERY SINGLE POST HERE ! :eek:

So, tell me the truth tuffy, have you EVER? been in an actual (non internet) REAL FIGHT in your entire adult life ? I fucking doubt it. You're just solely AN INTERNET POSER! who plays it up as a "BADASS WANNABE GANGSTA!" And you only use FUCKING BLOOD BOILING WORDS! such as "coz one of em's gonna be an organ donor" to "TRY!" and act mean and ruthless.

I'm NOT! a fucking gangsta, myself. WHY? Because I'VE NEVER! resorted to using a gun, knife, louisville slugger bat, etc. in ANY BRAWL ... EVER! IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. Only my physical strength ALONE EVERYTIME !!! And I don't need a 'fucking gang" to back me up in real life instances either.

...now stick THAT! in your fucking mindless skull - you euro trash bastard.

[ms.peachy]

Wow, I am surprised that some of you are so damn paranoid. Do you really think the risk of someone stalking you or your family is a realistic concern? What do you think the odds are? There is no way I'm going to live my life in fear of something that has such a minute chance of happening.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you haven't acutally bothered to read through this thread.

[Randetica]

*gets herself some poopcorn*

[enree erzweglle]

Wow, I am surprised that some of you are so damn paranoid. Do you really think the risk of someone stalking you or your family is a realistic concern? What do you think the odds are? There is no way I'm going to live my life in fear of something that has such a minute chance of happening.I've noticed that you copyright some (if not all) of the artwork that you create for us. Do you do that because you're paranoid that someone will steal your collection/s? ...or do you do it, perhaps, as a safeguard given that copyright infringement is real and possible, particularly given the accessibility that the internet affords?

Some people here maybe operate similarly but we apply that to ourselves and our kids--we take precautions to safeguard against some things that could happen here (albeit that probably won't happen) and we do it to protect [or to mitigate risk with] stuff that is inarguably more valuable than graphic art.

I would argue that for most of us, it's not a matter of paranoia or overprotection, but it's a matter of being cautious given some of our personal experiences and the overall environment of the internet.

[Ally Al]

]Re : Ally - (pussy fucking name btw!)


OOOH OUCH!!! Such harsh words, i only hope my ego can fully recover, crank it up, now thats a REAL man


[QUOTE]But, everything that YOU! stated concerning MYSELF! is obviously an inaccurate assumption.


yeah, i think not, i think i've got you bang to rights racist, this is the internet and you are judged by what you type.




_______________________________________________
I HOPE YOUR FAMILY'S GOT LOVE FOR
YOUR SOLDIER, COZ ONE OF EM'S GONNA
BE AN ORGAN DONOR
_______________________________________________
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Now, THIS! tasteless/disrespectful motto of yours reflects upon yourself as being the most un-humanitarian, shameless motherfucker POSSIBLE! to use as ....YOUR SIGNATURE SLOGAN !!! - TO APPEAR ON YOUR EVERY SINGLE POST HERE ! :eek:





LMFAO, you are hilarious!! It's from an MOP song you fucking dork, who am i actually disrespecting with that motto ?





So, tell me the truth tuffy, have you EVER? been in an actual (non internet) REAL FIGHT in your entire adult life ? I fucking doubt it. You're just solely AN INTERNET POSER! who plays it up as a "BADASS WANNABE GANGSTA!" And you only use FUCKING BLOOD BOILING WORDS! such as "coz one of em's gonna be an organ donor" to "TRY!" and act mean and ruthless.





yeah look at me, mean and rutheless, how the fuck am i trying to be mean and rutheless ? it's a sig is all. I only wish i could've thought of something really profound that actually means something. i need to read up on stuntmen and see if they've ever said anything of worth. oh wait a minute thats already been done by some fucking loser who at 36 idolises stuntmen, grow up son. Tuffy ? do we have pet names for each other now ?? Ok yours can be sweetums because i'm sensing real arousal in all these caps you're writing. I'm not playing out any image or trying to be a gangster, i called you out for being a racist piece of shit. This escalated because you insulted my children. Now your points about fights in my adult life ? I've had enough and certainly won more than i've lost so whats your actual point ?





I'm NOT! a fucking gangsta, myself. WHY? Because I'VE NEVER! resorted to using a gun, knife, louisville slugger bat, etc. in ANY BRAWL ... EVER! IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. Only my physical strength ALONE EVERYTIME !!! And I don't need a 'fucking gang" to back me up in real life instances either.






LOL, what the fuck has this got to do with anything ?? You're are a grade A moron, MY PHYSICAL STRENGTH!!!, ALONE EVERYTIME!!!, who the fuck are you ? Tarzan ?? you're like a b movie son. This is the funniest thing i have ever read on these boards, thank you. Man, even my kids think you're loser. So why all the fights tough guy ?? People on the trailer park stealing your girlfriend who's really your sister ??



LMAO, wow! are these harsh words supposed to put me in my place ?? Euro trash, hahahahahahahahaha, good one :rolleyes: I have to be honest i'm scared now


(btw, you seem a little slow so i'll just explain, that last sentence was sarcasm, ok ?)

[enree erzweglle]

I have to admit that I've wondered about the origins of your signature. Do you remember more about it?

With a son who is in college and who just enlisted in the army--he's in basic training right now--each time I see your signature, it makes me cringe. Should he not return to school after basic training this August, I've been told that he has a ~70% chance of getting called up to go to Iraq within 6 months. That's why I wince.

It's okay to see your signature--things like it toughen me up a wee bit each time I see them. I wouldn't ask you to take it down--free speech & all. I am curious about it and wanted to say that yeah, some people might cringe in similar ways when they see it, stuff like it. Especially since it seems directed at the families of the 'organ donors' and we very often have little/no input into the decisions of our kids--it's not like we all raised kids who would enlist; some of us tried to do exactly the opposite.

[Nuzzolese]

It's not so much my thoughts about posting pictures of our children, more my attitude towards not letting fear restrict what we may or may not do.

Fear is an important instinct instilled into us and I don't think it's something to disregard. Fear is sometimes a false alarm but sometimes it's a clue to avoid real danger. When you look down a dark alley and you feel fear, so you walk an extra block to avoid the shortcut...you are letting your instincts take over and maybe you exerted extra effort but you avoided a certain risk. I think it's important to pay attention to your instincts when it comes to fear. That is, unless you are somene who is overcome and controlled by your fears in a debilitating way. Then you may need some therapy. But these people don't seem that way to me.

[zorra_chiflada]

haha two people got pissed off at marsdaddy for hardly anything at all.

[ms.peachy]

Well I'm glad we could amuse you zorra; that is what we're all here for, after all.

[Randetica]

Man, even my kids think you're loser.

^sad cause it's true


p.s.hahhahahahahaaaha

[Ally Al]

I have to admit that I've wondered about the origins of your signature. Do you remember more about it?

With a son who is in college and who just enlisted in the army--he's in basic training right now--each time I see your signature, it makes me cringe. Should he not return to school after basic training this August, I've been told that he has a ~70% chance of getting called up to go to Iraq within 6 months. That's why I wince.

It's okay to see your signature--things like it toughen me up a wee bit each time I see them. I wouldn't ask you to take it down--free speech & all. I am curious about it and wanted to say that yeah, some people might cringe in similar ways when they see it, stuff like it. Especially since it seems directed at the families of the 'organ donors' and we very often have little/no input into the decisions of our kids--it's not like we all raised kids who would enlist; some of us tried to do exactly the opposite.



look if the sig offends YOU, then really i apologise. It's just a line from Warriorz by MOP, and yes it's stupid and yes it's ignorant but when you hear it in the context of the song it's just cartoon thuggery and it's always amused me for that reason (although unlike a lot of MC's i've always believed to a degree MOP have lived through a lot of the things they talk about). Myself and most of my family are down as organ doners should anything happen to us so i do take that all very serioulsy. I also have a nephew with CF so i know how imprtant it is, so it's not something i take lightly and i'm not in any way making fun of that. This thing the other poster is trying to put across about me being some sort of internet thug is laughable, gangster wannabe ?? yeah right, he's just pissed because i called him out

i hope your son makes the right decision for all concerned, i wouldn't know how to advise anyone in that position. My cousin is over there right now. We hear a lot of bad things about the army but it really turned his life around. He was a bad dude going no-where and now he's doing really well for himself BUT at what potential cost ? We all just hope he's ok and there's really nothing else we can do, it was his decision to join you know

[zorra_chiflada]

Well I'm glad we could amuse you zorra; that is what we're all here for, after all.

and people think i'm easily offended.

[ms.peachy]

and people think i'm easily offended.
I wasn't offended by what you said zorra; it was meant to be a blithe comment. Maybe I should have used a smiley but there doesn't seem to be one that's most appropriate.

[enree erzweglle]

Ally Al, that was a sweet and considerate post. Thanks.

zorra, I have never thought of you as being easily offended.

[fucktopgirl]

I post some pictures of Alix here and i dont feel threatened.THIs board seem to be fairly level and not loaded of psycho,altho all thoses people who have thousand alias should go in therapy but anyway ,that is not the point.

If a psycho would want to stalk me,he would have to cut a trail in the bush and the pines trees,so i am safe.I feel more scared about things that could happen in the real physical world,like school.YOU never know if there is some freaking peadophils hanging around the school or have infiltrate the school.I live in a small town,so the good point is that everybody know each others(almost)still,ya never know.If i where to live in montreal,huge metropolitaiin,i do believe i would be more freak out and terrorisze for my kid.Or maybe jjuts crazy driver on the street scared me more then psycho on the net!So they are far more greater threats to our kids in the real world then the ones on the web!

BUT still,you have to take things easy and be wise and aware of what happening.Swicht on your female instinct,male can swicht their brain(would hurt them from time to time:D )And have judgement!
Here is the only place i post picture of alix and its because i feel a kind of trust with people who hang here!

[Ally Al]

[QUOTE=enree erzweglle]Ally Al, that was a sweet and considerate post. Thanks.


you are very welcome enree erzweglle

i really do hope things work out for your familiy

[mickill]

Quite a rainbow of different emotions being triggered here it seems.



I do worry for other people's children. I see these beautiful families and they are quite candid about the cities where they live, what kinds of jobs they do, pictures of their homes and kids...I understand why they'd want to show off but as they invite attention into their lives, they leave a door open behind them as they turn out the lights and go to bed.


I'm not "showing off", you tit. I've just been sharing. But yeah, I see what you're saying. Too late now,though. zippo already knows too much.

[Nuzzolese]

I'm not "showing off", you tit. I've just been sharing.

potato potato!

[Ally Al]

I'm not "showing off", you tit. I've just been sharing. But yeah, I see what you're saying. Too late now,though. zippo already knows too much.[/QUOTE]


dude, you were totally flexing your forearms

[Knuckles]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you haven't acutally bothered to read through this thread.
I can't believe you would go out on that skinny little limb when you are nine months pregnant! Here I thought you were ridiculously overcautious! Get down from that tree right now!

[Knuckles]

I've noticed that you copyright some (if not all) of the artwork that you create for us.
That's just a goof.

[Lex Diamonds]

That CrankItUp guy sure is Teh Hawt!!! Eurotrash? Way to insult an entire continent, fascism boy.

[Ally Al]

That CrankItUp guy sure is Teh Hawt!!! Eurotrash? Way to insult an entire continent, fascism boy.


there's obviously a real right wing leaning there, i'm glad i'm not the only one thats noticed. I'd be careful though P, if you anger him he might use his PHYSICAL STRENGTH and write a response in caps. I hope he doesn't consider this a "fucking gang" either or i'm really in trouble

[ms.peachy]

So the people who don't post their personal pictures, do they think the people who do post pictures are 'irresponsible' for possibly exposing their children to risk?
No, I wouldn't go that far. We all have to make choices for ourselves and our families based on what we're comfortable with, every day. I realise that posting photos doesn't present a huge and imminent risk, but for me, it's just not something I choose to do. If other people have weighed their decision and decided they are comfortable with it, that's their choice.

"Irresponsible" things a parent could do to my mind are more things like, say, smoking around kids, or allowing them in the car without seat belts, or feeding them a lot of shitty foods, etc - stuff where there is a clear and established risk to their well being. On all the other stuff that's not so clear, well, we all just have to make our best guesses and do what feels right.

[Ally Al]

So the people who don't post their personal pictures, do they think the people who do post pictures are 'irresponsible' for possibly exposing their children to risk?


no, thats not what i think at all. I was just curious if that was ever something they'd considered. It sparked from a convo the wife and i were having about one of her old school friends posting a picture of their little girl on friends reunited

I wouldn't do it but that is my personal choice. Like i've said earlier it's good to see proud caring parents. One of my friends works in foster care and some of the fucking horrific stories she tells us are well, horrific. I'd much rather see smiley happy people but unfortunately thats not the way things are these days. Just because "most" of the people here seem cool there's also prolly a lot of people who lurk and they would be the reason i personally would air on the side of caution

[marsdaddy]

haha two people got pissed off at marsdaddy for hardly anything at all.I think they're organizing a posse.

[Lex Diamonds]

there's obviously a real right wing leaning there, i'm glad i'm not the only one thats noticed. I'd be careful though P, if you anger him he might use his PHYSICAL STRENGTH and write a response in caps. I hope he doesn't consider this a "fucking gang" either or i'm really in trouble
Maybe I should change my user title and stop listening to rap music too?

Fuckin' Yanks eh.

[Ally Al]

Maybe I should change my user title and stop listening to rap music too?

Fuckin' Yanks eh.


Come on P, don't try irony who knows what sort of confusion that will lead to. Lets not let one bad apple spoil the barrel

[CrankItUp!]

look if the sig offends YOU, then really i apologise. It's just a line from Warriorz by MOP, and yes it's stupid and yes it's ignorant but when you hear it in the context of the song it's just cartoon thuggery and it's always amused me for that reason (although unlike a lot of MC's i've always believed to a degree MOP have lived through a lot of the things they talk about). Myself and most of my family are down as organ doners should anything happen to us so i do take that all very serioulsy. I also have a nephew with CF so i know how imprtant it is, so it's not something i take lightly and i'm not in any way making fun of that. This thing the other poster is trying to put across about me being some sort of internet thug is laughable, gangster wannabe ?? yeah right, he's just pissed because i called him out

i hope your son makes the right decision for all concerned, i wouldn't know how to advise anyone in that position. My cousin is over there right now. We hear a lot of bad things about the army but it really turned his life around. He was a bad dude going no-where and now he's doing really well for himself BUT at what potential cost ? We all just hope he's ok and there's really nothing else we can do, it was his decision to join you know

Then you need to change your "stupid and ignorant", (as you stated) very inappropriate signature which you simply plagarized - without giving credit to the artist, but intentionally misleading as your own words. Its profoundly offensive to humanity as compared to mine - which is at least an inspiring quote of enthusiasm. And yeah, you sure did "call me out!" (here on the internet of course and not to my face) by stereotyping me as "a retard and living in a trailer park", but realistically I live in a very nice house located here in sunny Florida. What sort of filthy cave dwelling do you live inside or out of ? Now, if you didn't like my remark about your children - which is "prolly" true then don't insult me without expecting ones back in return. Because you "prolly" haven't ever had this much attention to yourself since jerking of to the Eminem thread.

[Ally Al]

Then you need to change your "stupid and ignorant", (as you stated) very inappropriate signature which you simply plagarized - without giving credit to the artist, but intentionally misleading as your own words. Its profoundly offensive to humanity as compared to mine - which is at least an inspiring quote of enthusiasm. And yeah, you sure did "call me out!" (here on the internet of course and not to my face) by stereotyping me as "a retard and living in a trailer park", but realistically I live in a very nice house located here in sunny Florida. What sort of filthy cave dwelling do you live inside or out of ? Now, if you didn't like my remark about your children - which is "prolly" true then don't insult me without expecting ones back in return. Because you "prolly" haven't ever had this much attention to yourself since jerking of to the Eminem thread.


LOL, i don't need to change anything you fucking loser, that reply was not to you it was to someone who actually makes sense, and please show me where i stated those were my own words. Yes i called you out in another post for being a racist, which you are. Lets not forget you had no idea what colour was when you callled me a n****r, remember that big brain ? Cave dwelling, good job that's almost funny grease monkey. I left it right there in the other post it was you who followed me into this post like some weirdo and again there you go insulting my children. I would have no problem telling you to your face what a stupid retard racist you actually are internet tough guy, now what ? I have a beautiful wife two beautiful intelligent children a very good job that is very very well paid, and a very very nice house, and i drive a very nice car, and thats the harsh reality son, doesn't that just suck for you Couldn't give a fuck what you think about me, you're an arsehole. A sad, lonely, deluded, RACIST, trailer park dwelling, arsehole.......oh and don't come with the threats because i'm sure my kids could kick your arse