Groups that were/are ahead of their time

[sab0tage]

Pop will eat itself

Adam and the ants (seriously!)

[sab0tage]

sure is, thought it might be good!

[Guy Incognito]

Pop will eat itself

Adam and the ants (seriously!)
Both get a (y) from me - especially PWEI. Fuckin Genius.

Joy Division, Kraftwerk, The Jackson 5.

[abcdefz]

Velvet Underground
Beastie Boys (at least, at the time of Paul's Boutique, people just weren't ready)
Can
John Coltrane
Thelonious Monk

[Ally Al]

what are we basing it on ? bands that have come through that don't sound like anything that pre dated them ?

[Guy Incognito]

what are we basing it on ? bands that have come through that don't sound like anything that pre dated them ?

I was thinkin more about acts that have preceded a load of others who sound like them or were innovators of a future sound

[sab0tage]

what are we basing it on ? bands that have come through that don't sound like anything that pre dated them ?

Could be, or bands that were maybe successful in their own time, but could have been a whole lot more successful at a later date as different genres emerged/gained popularity.
Could be interpreted in several ways, its all good(y)

[abcdefz]

"Ahead of their time" usually means that they were publicly and/or critically dismissed at the time, but have greatly grown in stature in the following years and have heavily influenced many who followed.

There was a quote about the Velvet Underground that sums it up pretty well. Something like "They never sold a lot of records while they were around, but it seemed like evry one of their fans went out and started a band."

[sab0tage]

"Ahead of their time" usually means that they were publicly and/or critically dismissed at the time, but have greatly grown in stature in the following years and have heavily influenced many who followed.



I agree, but PWEI were very popular at the time, but I think would have been more popular if they came on the scene more recently

[Ally Al]

I agree, but PWEI were very popular at the time, but I think would have been more popular if they came on the scene more recently


were PWEI ever THAT popular though ? They had the indie following from beaver patrol and on to def con one etc, but VERY popular ?

(i remember they supported PE and got bottled off)

[sab0tage]

were PWEI ever THAT popular though ? They had the indie following from beaver patrol and on to def con one etc, but VERY popular ?

(i remember they supported PE and got bottled off)

I remember them from my college days (me and you are about the same age I think), about 1 in 3 students seemed to wear PWEI t-shirts!

[Guy Incognito]

I remember them from my college days (me and you are about the same age I think), about 1 in 3 students seemed to wear PWEI t-shirts!


Hey Good T Shirts dont mean the band were that popular - just ask The Ramones, MC5 or AC/DC! I know they all good bands but loads of people who havent really heard of them have those t shirts

[sab0tage]

Hey Good T Shirts dont mean the band were that popular - just ask The Ramones, MC5 or AC/DC! I know they all good bands but loads of people who havent really heard of them have those t shirts

I totally agree, but a lot of the time these kind of t-shirts were popular when the bands had long split, or at least well passed their best.

PWEI t-shirts were being worn when they were in their prime

[Ally Al]

I remember them from my college days (me and you are about the same age I think), about 1 in 3 students seemed to wear PWEI t-shirts!


thats true enuff, they did have a strong indie following and there was some crossover chart success wasn't there ?

[Ally Al]

Hey Good T Shirts dont mean the band were that popular - just ask The Ramones, MC5 or AC/DC! I know they all good bands but loads of people who havent really heard of them have those t shirts


ahhh MC5 now there's band ahead of their time

[sab0tage]

thats true enuff, they did have a strong indie following and there was some crossover chart success wasn't there ?

Several top 40 hits, highest reached #9 I think. Albums in the charts too I'm pretty sure

[Guy Incognito]

Several top 40 hits, highest reached #9 I think. Albums in the charts too I'm pretty sure


I wasnt really knockin what you said - I am just wary of people who buy band t shirts cos I think its an easy way of saying you love a band for the effect rather than just likin the tunes.
I think they were just getting some real success before they split. I heard them cover "jump" by kriss kross on some bootleg and it was fuckin awesome, then one of them left to become half of bentley rhythm ace and it was obvious he was the one that had most of the groove and samples.

[sab0tage]

I wasnt really knockin what you said - I am just wary of people who buy band t shirts cos I think its an easy way of saying you love a band for the effect rather than just likin the tunes.
I think they were just getting some real success before they split. I heard them cover "jump" by kriss kross on some bootleg and it was fuckin awesome, then one of them left to become half of bentley rhythm ace and it was obvious he was the one that had most of the groove and samples.

I loved that 3rd degree song(y)

...and def con 1...and dance of the mad etc

[Guy Incognito]

I loved that 3rd degree song(y)

...and def con 1...and dance of the mad etc

CAN YOU DIG IT

[sab0tage]

CD's going in the car tomorrow:D

[Guy Incognito]

CD's going in the car tomorrow:D

Am already DL songs onto me phone for tomorrow - actually the best of that came out is pretty flawless for anyone who wants to get into them. Its a really good startin point.

[sab0tage]

CAN YOU DIG IT

NOT NOW JAMES WE'RE BUSY

(y) (y)

[DIGI]

helmet
ween
velvet underground

[Ally Al]

[QUOTE=Guy Incognito]I wasnt really knockin what you said - I am just wary of people who buy band t shirts cos I think its an easy way of saying you love a band for the effect rather than just likin the tunes.


like the inspiral carpets moo t-shirts

[Kid Presentable]

helmet

I always felt that the first Korn album took a lot from Helmet. The riffery of that whole nu-metal genesis was a direct lift of Helmet's steez.

[abcdefz]

Captain Beefheart.

[Guy Incognito]

Throbbing Gristle
Public Image Ltd.
Yoko Ono
Cabaret Voltaire


Erm ..Do the beatles count - the fact that norcen shouted yoko ono got me thinkin about some of lennons more out there stuff (revolution number 9 etc) and that was way ahead of its time. And Mcartney did try and compete and take inspiration from lennon to try things that hadnt been done before.

[abcdefz]

I think the Beatles were progressive, but they were absolutely perfectly wedded to their time. Aside from "Revolution #9," there wasn't any point where they were so far ahead that people didn't "get it." There have probably been few groups who have been so in step with their times. People like Madonna chase their times like crazy; folks like Can and the Velvets follow their muse and other groups catch up with them later; folks like the Band were, in some ways, defiantly looking backward. The Beatles, like Dylan, were pretty much day-and-date; they reflected the times back in a mirror which might have been startling, but it was very much "here-and-now."

[Guy Incognito]

I think the Beatles were progressive, but they were absolutely perfectly wedded to their time. Aside from "Revolution #9," there wasn't any point where they were so far ahead that people didn't "get it." There have probably been few groups who have been so in step with their times. People like Madonna chase their times like crazy; folks like Can and the Velvets follow their muse and other groups catch up with them later; folks like the Band were, in some ways, defiantly looking backward. The Beatles, like Dylan, were pretty much day-and-date; they reflected the times back in a mirror which might have been startling, but it was very much "here-and-now."


Fair do's - i didnt think they were totally ahead of their time but they did influence loads of bands that appeared a lot later to mess about with sounds and tape loops etc. What you posted is bang on though mate(y)

[abcdefz]

They had a huge influence, not least of which was the self-contained writing/band unit thing. That might've been the biggest influence, right there -- changed everything.

[Guy Incognito]

They had a huge influence, not least of which was the self-contained writing/band unit thing. That might've been the biggest influence, right there -- changed everything.

But I also think they influenced by not just sticking to same formula and pushing the envelope a lot and doin lots of different stuff and taking in lots of influences and not just goin for what might be fashionable. I think they got into sitars etc cos they liked them not cos they thought it was gonna be cool.
Could prolly talk about the beatles all night but have gotta have some food now.

[abcdefz]

But I also think they influenced by not just sticking to same formula and pushing the envelope a lot and doin lots of different stuff and taking in lots of influences and not just goin for what might be fashionable. I think they got into sitars etc cos they liked them not cos they thought it was gonna be cool.



Definitely.

[abcdefz]

A guy whose last name was Stockhausen ( is that right?) influenced Lennon into making Revolution #9. I used to know the title of the album, but can't seem to remember it. I think it started with the letter 'a'.

The Beatles were influential, maybe ahead of their time in some aspects, but not overall.


Stockhausen (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57F18D249A97320C5903C40CCB269A329D94E FB87126E495AD1A926499E0C74E80BA695C8AEFB70AB7BAFFF 28E85805D2CEE456FFCC0640&sql=41:8009~T1)


...apparently, he made the cover of Sgt. Pepper.


("Made" as in "was on," not "created.")

[Guy Incognito]

A guy whose last name was Stockhausen ( is that right?) influenced Lennon into making Revolution #9. I used to know the title of the album, but can't seem to remember it. I think it started with the letter 'a'.

The Beatles were influential, maybe ahead of their time in some aspects, but not overall.

Thats fair comment but at least they took some of their more obscure influences and said to their fans "there you go listen to that its fuckin mental we think its great and we hope you like it" but they could have played it a lot safer.

[DIGI]

talking heads

[abcdefz]

talking heads



mmmmmm..... maybe Bush of Ghosts more than anything (Byrne/Eno, not really Talking Heads, but....).

[Guy Incognito]

talking heads

I said all i have to say in the overrated bands thread. I got a lot of stick for sayin it and whilst my point of view was eventually understood I dont wanna go thru that again, it scarred me emotionally:rolleyes:

[DroppinScience]

Gang of Four

[roosta]

Men Without Hats!!!

(no, bare with me)

In their CLASSIC hit "The Safety Dance", one of the lines is:

"We can dance, we can dance
Everybody look at your hands"

Surely this preceeded the G-Unit Face Wave dance by a good 20 years?

[Los Para Noias]

brian eno, a lot of what was already said I agree with

[abcdefz]

...I'm still not sure if folks have caught up with Robert Quine. (y)


Thelonious Monk, also, if I haven't name checked him already.

[b-grrrlie]

were PWEI ever THAT popular though ? They had the indie following from beaver patrol and on to def con one etc, but VERY popular ?

(i remember they supported PE and got bottled off)I was heavily into PWEI. Me and my friend had tickets when they were supporting Run DMC and Public Enemy, but by the time they got here to Stockholm they weren't on the tour anymore. We were already inside the venue and the first support band was on when we found out they weren't playing. My friend got so mad she rushed out and demanded our money back. I would've wanted to stay to see PE and Run, but she wouldn't have it and so we left. Of course I regret that to this day, never got to see either of them live. I'd already seen PWEI once, and saw them several times later (actually trying to chat up Adam because he looked like Yauch at the time :D ;) :rolleyes: at Hultsfred festival once... failing miserably), once at Heaven in London wearing an ancient Beaver Patrol T-shirt, making one girl give a remark about it at the ladies. I saw her later pointing me out to Adam, I just totally blushed and turned away....

[Ally Al]

I was heavily into PWEI. Me and my friend had tickets when they were supporting Run DMC and Public Enemy, but by the time they got here to Stockholm they weren't on the tour anymore. We were already inside the venue and the first support band was on when we found out they weren't playing. My friend got so mad she rushed out and demanded our money back. I would've wanted to stay to see PE and Run, but she wouldn't have it and so we left. Of course I regret that to this day, never got to see either of them live. I'd already seen PWEI once, and saw them several times later (actually trying to chat up Adam because he looked like Yauch at the time :D ;) :rolleyes: at Hultsfred festival once... failing miserably), once at Heaven in London wearing an ancient Beaver Patrol T-shirt, making one girl give a remark about it at the ladies. I saw her later pointing me out to Adam, I just totally blushed and turned away....


:D

thats a great story although i can't imagine you blushing. Beaver patrol was great low budget 80's video as i remember. Sucks that you missed PE and Run DMC though :(

[Ally Al]

Parliament/ Funkadelic should both be on this list. Way ahead of their time and influenced many many bands that followed. Parliaments first album Rhenium just fused so many different styles together but managed to sound like nothing else at the time, excellent album. Style wise with the way they dressed all them crazy space outfits and the mothership many many tried to imitate but you can't fake the funk. Also Funkadelic invented the dis track with Lets Take It To The Stage

[Calimero jr.]

Sonic Youth

[abcdefz]

Parliament/ Funkadelic should both be on this list. Way ahead of their time and influenced many many bands that followed. Parliaments first album Rhenium just fused so many different styles together but managed to sound like nothing else at the time, excellent album. Style wise with the way they dressed all them crazy space outfits and the mothership many many tried to imitate but you can't fake the funk. Also Funkadelic invented the dis track with Lets Take It To The Stage



I'd say that's fair.

Rhenium is a criminally underrated record, too. (y)

But Maggot Brain might state your case even better.

[Ally Al]

I'd say that's fair.

Rhenium is a criminally underrated record, too. (y)

But Maggot Brain might state your case even better.


hmmmm, don't get me wrong, i love maggot brain (maggot brain, wars of armaggedon and super stupids probably three of my favourite funkadelic tracks from that period) but i just think the eclectic use of styles on rhenium pushed the boundaries of the type of music a black band could produce at the time. Maggot Brain was groundbreaking nonetheless, Eddie Hazels guitar playing was just stunning

[cosmo105]

Gary Numan & The Tubeway Army

[Ally Al]

Gary Numan & The Tubeway Army


Good one (y)

[Junker]

Beastie Boys (at least, at the time of Paul's Boutique, people just weren't

I think Check Your head could be included dont ya think??

[Drederick Tatum]

The Stooges

[saml]

Chingy

[EN[i]GMA]

Gang of Four

Good choice.

Entertainment! still sounds fresh.

[Mister Softy]

Pink Floyd
Pierre Henry
Raymond Scott

[abcdefz]

hmmmm, don't get me wrong, i love maggot brain (maggot brain, wars of armaggedon and super stupids probably three of my favourite funkadelic tracks from that period) but i just think the eclectic use of styles on rhenium pushed the boundaries of the type of music a black band could produce at the time. Maggot Brain was groundbreaking nonetheless, Eddie Hazels guitar playing was just stunning


Fair enough. But I think Eddie's guitar solo just knocked it out of the park. Maggot Brain is where all of it finally gelled; their first masterpiece.


I think Check Your head could be included dont ya think??



Not really -- CYH was incredibly popular right off the bat. Paul's Boutique confused the hell out of the fans (and a lot of critics) and sunk like a stone.

[Ally Al]

[QUOTE=abcdefz]Fair enough. But I think Eddie's guitar solo just knocked it out of the park. Maggot Brain is where all of it finally gelled; their first masterpiece.



i have a real nice live version of maggot brain but with mike hampton on lead, not quite Eddie but it's very good nonetheless. Do you have Eddie's solo album, games, dames and guitar thangs ?

[abcdefz]

i have a real nice live version of maggot brain but with mike hampon on lead, not quite Eddie but it's very good nonetheless. Do you have Eddie's solo album, games, dames and guitar thangs ?




Believe it or not, I didn't even know he had a solo album. Is it good?

[Ally Al]

Believe it or not, I didn't even know he had a solo album. Is it good?


it came out in 77, i think it's excellent. Couple of good covers (california dreamin' and i want you(she's so heavy) ), top stuff. i'll send it to you if you want, it's quite hard to find and costs big bucks these days i believe

[abcdefz]

It's out of print, so, yeah -- I'll take you up on that.

Watch your PM box. And thanks!

[Ally Al]

It's out of print, so, yeah -- I'll take you up on that.

Watch your PM box. And thanks!


no worries, very welcome

[kaiser soze]

Afrika Bambaataa!

&

Funkadelic!

[Freebasser]

Pixies