My Step-mom is a Republican

[Mr. Boomin'Granny]

and from the south. They just don't get it do they?


This is a forward from her i just got.


<stupid forward>

Subject: Fw: MAY 1, 2006 Can't hurt - might help.

THIS IS IMPORTANT!



WASHINGTON (AFP) Immigrants' rights advocates, elated by the
resounding
success of Monday's "National Day of Action," which drew the backing
of
hundreds of thousands of protesters across the United States and
infinite
media coverage, are now planning a national boycott which they hope
will
have
an even greater resonance. Organizers are planning the May 1 "Great
American
Boycott," urging illegal immigrants -- who cannot vote and who have
only
limited political power -- to flex their economic muscle. Protesters
are
being urged to refrain from shopping, and to stay away from school
and
work.



You should take a moment to let that sink in.



This is a movement orchestrated by people who entered the US
illegally,
and
who then want to scream about their "rights." WHAT RIGHTS? YOU?RE
HERE
ILLEGALLY!



Let's take a look at some of the many benefits that illegal aliens
have
blessed our great country with: Street gangs, graffiti, drugs,
skyrocketing
healthcare, depreciation of property value, illiteracy. The list
could
go on.
What they actually have to offer (cheap labor) pales to what they
have
given
our country to deal with. I'll take expensive vegetables over
expensive
healthcare any day!



And now, like terrorists, they are going to attack our economy --
the
one
entity that makes our nation stand out from all the others: The
backbone
of
our nation. The country they came to like locusts so they could reap
the
benefits is now the focus of their boycott. You've seen it on TV:
Marching on
our American streets waving their Mexican flags, boldly showing that
they can
be more racist than who they accuse of, and yet the obvious is
totally
oblivious to them. LOOK! IF YOU'VE GOT IT SO BAD HERE, THEN LEAVE!!!



To all the real Americans, you can do one small thing on May 1,
2006. It
won't be racist, nor will it be violent. It will not be boastful,
arrogant,
selfish, or distasteful. It will not be any of those things that our
"guests"
have already displayed. What it will do is nullify a movement.



All you have to do is buy something on May 1st. Make up for what
they
will
try to take away. It doesn't have to be a new car or house (unless
you
were
already planning on getting one). It simply needs to be a day of
trading.



Hold off grocery buying until May 1st. Take your wife out to eat
that
night.
Get the kid?s pizza, hamburgers, whatever (AND NO MEXICAN FOOD!!).
Make
several trips to the convenience store. Buy your meals at work. Fill
up
your
tank. Shop for clothes, furniture, and outdoor equipment. If it
needs to
be
bought, BUY IT ON MAY 1st!



Those are just a few suggestions. We're not asking you to spend your
inheritance that day, but just to spend more than you normally
would.
Even if
it's only a few dollars, this will help soften the blow that the
Mexicans
will try to inflict on our economy that day. It sounds trivial at
first,
but
if this idea gets around, what the Mexicans set out to do will fail.



NOW COMES THE HARD PART: This email will not self-destruct if you
don't
send
it to someone. It will not cause bad luck, nor will it make you
impotent. It
will not do some trick or show a cute little animation if you send
it to
"X"
amount of people. You will not get paid for doing it. And Bill Gates
doesn?t
give a flip about it, so he won?t be sending you any spare cash. If
you
have
read it, you might be inclined to send it to someone else. It will
not
happen
though, if it just gets deleted. So forward it at will. IN FACT,
FORWARD
THIS
TO EVERYONE ONE YOU KNOW! YOU WILL BE DOING YOUR COUNTRY (AND YOUR
FELLOW
CITIZENS) A BIG FAVOR!


</stupid forward>


GET OFF THE REPUBLICAN BANDWAGON. They aren't doing you any harm. Hey remember the patio extension that was done a few years ago? I'm pretty sure those guys weren't "legal".

The stupidest thing is the "don't eat mexican food" idea, when in reality everything in a restaurant you go to is made by mexicans. Most are legal, but a good portion probably aren't. And i don't think that you would be happy with the increase price in foods and services if illegals werent doing the jobs you dont want to do. If they were offered the wage that YOU would do the job for... let's just say that celery would be a luxery item you buy at Tiffanys.

/end rant

[g-mile7]

and from the south. They just don't get it do they?


This is a forward from her i just got.


<stupid forward>

Subject: Fw: MAY 1, 2006 Can't hurt - might help.

THIS IS IMPORTANT!



WASHINGTON (AFP) Immigrants' rights advocates, elated by the
resounding
success of Monday's "National Day of Action," which drew the backing
of
hundreds of thousands of protesters across the United States and
infinite
media coverage, are now planning a national boycott which they hope
will
have
an even greater resonance. Organizers are planning the May 1 "Great
American
Boycott," urging illegal immigrants -- who cannot vote and who have
only
limited political power -- to flex their economic muscle. Protesters
are
being urged to refrain from shopping, and to stay away from school
and
work.



You should take a moment to let that sink in.



This is a movement orchestrated by people who entered the US
illegally,
and
who then want to scream about their "rights." WHAT RIGHTS? YOU?RE
HERE
ILLEGALLY!



Let's take a look at some of the many benefits that illegal aliens
have
blessed our great country with: Street gangs, graffiti, drugs,
skyrocketing
healthcare, depreciation of property value, illiteracy. The list
could
go on.
What they actually have to offer (cheap labor) pales to what they
have
given
our country to deal with. I'll take expensive vegetables over
expensive
healthcare any day!



And now, like terrorists, they are going to attack our economy --
the
one
entity that makes our nation stand out from all the others: The
backbone
of
our nation. The country they came to like locusts so they could reap
the
benefits is now the focus of their boycott. You've seen it on TV:
Marching on
our American streets waving their Mexican flags, boldly showing that
they can
be more racist than who they accuse of, and yet the obvious is
totally
oblivious to them. LOOK! IF YOU'VE GOT IT SO BAD HERE, THEN LEAVE!!!



To all the real Americans, you can do one small thing on May 1,
2006. It
won't be racist, nor will it be violent. It will not be boastful,
arrogant,
selfish, or distasteful. It will not be any of those things that our
"guests"
have already displayed. What it will do is nullify a movement.



All you have to do is buy something on May 1st. Make up for what
they
will
try to take away. It doesn't have to be a new car or house (unless
you
were
already planning on getting one). It simply needs to be a day of
trading.



Hold off grocery buying until May 1st. Take your wife out to eat
that
night.
Get the kid?s pizza, hamburgers, whatever (AND NO MEXICAN FOOD!!).
Make
several trips to the convenience store. Buy your meals at work. Fill
up
your
tank. Shop for clothes, furniture, and outdoor equipment. If it
needs to
be
bought, BUY IT ON MAY 1st!



Those are just a few suggestions. We're not asking you to spend your
inheritance that day, but just to spend more than you normally
would.
Even if
it's only a few dollars, this will help soften the blow that the
Mexicans
will try to inflict on our economy that day. It sounds trivial at
first,
but
if this idea gets around, what the Mexicans set out to do will fail.



NOW COMES THE HARD PART: This email will not self-destruct if you
don't
send
it to someone. It will not cause bad luck, nor will it make you
impotent. It
will not do some trick or show a cute little animation if you send
it to
"X"
amount of people. You will not get paid for doing it. And Bill Gates
doesn?t
give a flip about it, so he won?t be sending you any spare cash. If
you
have
read it, you might be inclined to send it to someone else. It will
not
happen
though, if it just gets deleted. So forward it at will. IN FACT,
FORWARD
THIS
TO EVERYONE ONE YOU KNOW! YOU WILL BE DOING YOUR COUNTRY (AND YOUR
FELLOW
CITIZENS) A BIG FAVOR!


</stupid forward>


GET OFF THE REPUBLICAN BANDWAGON. They aren't doing you any harm. Hey remember the patio extension that was done a few years ago? I'm pretty sure those guys weren't "legal".

The stupidest thing is the "don't eat mexican food" idea, when in reality everything in a restaurant you go to is made by mexicans. Most are legal, but a good portion probably aren't. And i don't think that you would be happy with the increase price in foods and services if illegals werent doing the jobs you dont want to do. If they were offered the wage that YOU would do the job for... let's just say that celery would be a luxery item you buy at Tiffanys.

/end rant


Good post, and it's true we, as a society, weren't complaining when they were doing the job that seemed "low class". That's how it works I guess.

[Ace42X]

Your country is full of backwards idiots, and it is starting to spread over here too. Why couldn't you just amputate them when you had your chance? Instead you had to go and have a civil war and keep those hicks onboard.

[TAL]

And the formatting sucks too.

[g-mile7]

Your country is full of backwards idiots, and it is starting to spread over here too. Why couldn't you just amputate them when you had your chance? Instead you had to go and have a civil war and keep those hicks onboard.


It's not my country....I have no power as well as most of us when it comes down to it.

[Echewta]

and its just the "mexicans" haha

[cookiepuss]

I beleive ther is a film called "A Day Without A Mexican" It's all about how many jobs would not be done if imigrants weren't willing to work them. maybe you should send it to her.

[Ace42X]

It's not my country....I have no power as well as most of us when it comes down to it.

Why? Are you in a wheelchair? Non-voting felon? Illegal immigrant? Under voting age?

[cosmo105]

i'm going to wear a sombero and shake maracas while i prop up their economy the whole time we're visiting them.

[DapperDiverge]

don't blame the illegal immigrants... blame, government, government, government!! Bad security and the corporate assholes that exploit these people!! everyone knows this is a modern day form of slavery... so much corruption!!

:mad:

[QueenAdrock]

I don't agree with illegal immigration because of security issues (I'm all for legal immigration), but I don't like siding with racist Republicans. That's what makes this issue such a tough one.

THEY TOOK OUR JEEEEERRRRBS! :rolleyes:

[Ace42X]

everyone knows this is a modern day form of slavery.

Everyone except En[i]gma. Feel free to PM him explaining your viewpoint.

[cosmo105]

what really needs to be done is relaxing the immigration laws in general. honestly, we're fucked without them. you know, steger, you probably should have put this in general political...

[insertnamehere]

i hope "the mexican's" evil plan actually works

i love how the email considers it an act of terrorism, attacking the economy. thats what it would be like if all the illegals were gone like the people who encorage that email want.

[g-mile7]

Why? Are you in a wheelchair? Non-voting felon? Illegal immigrant? Under voting age?



You know the voting system is just a puffed up lie. Unless your doing the "Malcolm X" then you have no real power (and trust me I am trying to).

[QueenAdrock]

^Seriously. Boycotting is a form of terrorism.

I guess that means that all the fucktard Republicans with the "boycott France" stickers should be arrested for attacking France, huh.

[monkey]

damn mexicans ruining the economy :rolleyes: this is so reminscent of the waves of immigration to ellis island and how poorly the irish and the italians were treated. and the asians in california! this country is built on immigrants. and, to those keeping track of these things, the US took the land from the mexicans.

[DapperDiverge]

i hope "the mexican's" evil plan actually works

i love how the email considers it an act of terrorism, attacking the economy. thats what it would be like if all the illegals were gone like the people who encorage that email want.


this situation reminds me of the emancipation of the slaves during the civil war and the huge economic downfall... especially in the south... so then what?? the US is going to have import a huge % of crops from other countries...most ironic, probably from mexico

[cosmo105]

when the economy is booming, we welcome all! we're one big happy melting pot :p

when it's not, FUCKIN' FOREIGNERS! it's all their fault!

meanwhile, some native americans are in the back quietly raising their hands. someone see what they want. give them some shity land in oklahoma or something.

[QueenAdrock]

Hey, we emancipated them from their land and showered them with casinos. Ungrateful bastards are still upset about the whole "genocide" thing, but whatever. We totally made up for it.

[roosta]

send her the goatse!

[cosmo105]

tempura goatse?

[Ace42X]

You know the voting system is just a puffed up lie. Unless your doing the "Malcolm X" then you have no real power (and trust me I am trying to).

I hear you. But, why does a minority of people have "the power" ? Where does it come from? What does an individual in this minority have that you do not?

[g-mile7]

I hear you. But, why does a minority of people have "the power" ? Where does it come from? What does an individual in this minority have that you do not?


Money (connected to family, one self, etc.). Plus the majority of people are too lazy or too scared to stand up and be seen and heard. We rather argue over stupid shit then tackle the real issues at hand. Such as our government as a whole (both sides) being deaf to what we say.

[roosta]

tempura goatse?

domo-origoto-mister-roboto

[cosmo105]

for goatseing me JUST WHEN I NEEDED YOU

[Ace42X]

Money (connected to family, one self, etc.).

So they have power because they can throw bits of paper at people? What does zeroes on a PC, or small oblong slices of paper actually do for them?

Plus the majority of people are too lazy or too scared to stand up and be seen and heard.

So it isn't that the majority do not have power, but that they do not (want to?) use the power that they have?

Then I have little sympathy for people with the tools in their hands, but an unwillingness to use them.

[cookiepuss]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377744/

Has anyone seen it? Personally I haven't but I've been tempted to check it out.

[g-mile7]

So they have power because they can throw bits of paper at people? What does zeroes on a PC, or small oblong slices of paper actually do for them?



So it isn't that the majority do not have power, but that they do not (want to?) use the power that they have?

Then I have little sympathy for people with the tools in their hands, but an unwillingness to use them.


This is all from what I have seen in my life and the people (mainly my age but also older) have acted when presented with situtions like this. And in this society yes, they do have power because they throw that paper since our world gives that paper the power. But there are also plenty of people with money who do not do anything to benifit society even though they have the power as well. All you have to do is look at the collection of black rappers who say we must "uplift our community" but continue to promote the negatives that destroy it and do nothing to change it (like an X or MLK).

[drizl]

[QUOTE=QueenAdrock]^Seriously. Boycotting is a form of terrorism.

I guess that means that all the fucktard Republicans with the "boycott France" stickers should be arrested for attacking France, huh.[/QUOT

anything subversive, that is a threat to the power structure is a terrorist activity. even buying organic food...

IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT THAT THEY LIED ABOUT GOING TO WAR, HAVE CREATED THE ISSUES OF ABORTION, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, HOMELAND SECURITY, AND TAKEN AWAY THE RIGHTS OF ITS CITIZENS. IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO THEM, WHO BELIEVE THEM, WHO DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY, OR ARE SIMPLY TO FUCKING LAZY TO CARE.

we have to take the steps to change..

[Ace42X]

And in this society yes, they do have power because they throw that paper since our world gives that paper the power.

The world doesn't, we do. The paper has no meaning, power or influence except for a value which we *choose* to give to it. It takes no effort to deny that power, all you have to do is refuse to accept it.

I guess my point is that these people have no power accept what *we* choose to give them. It takes no effort at all to simply *not give them that power* - it only takes a conscious choice. It only takes people to wake up.

Of course, it is the waking up that takes effort, because some people spend their entire lives making sure that no-one disrupts their sleep-walk to a pauper's grave.

And, in retrospect, I sound a lot like Faithless's track "Mass Destruction."

[drizl]

Of course, it is the waking up that takes effort, because some people spend their entire lives making sure that no-one disrupts their sleep-walk to a pauper's grave.

And, in retrospect, I sound a lot like Faithless's track "Mass Destruction."



its so fucked that we hold on to our reality like that, how we will fight for it and believe in it so much that we are clouded from seeing what is really going on. and then we think we know what is really going on again and repeat the same process:P

[DapperDiverge]

IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT THAT THEY LIED ABOUT GOING TO WAR, HAVE CREATED THE ISSUES OF ABORTION, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, HOMELAND SECURITY, AND TAKEN AWAY THE RIGHTS OF ITS CITIZENS. IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO THEM, WHO BELIEVE THEM, WHO DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY, OR ARE SIMPLY TO FUCKING LAZY TO CARE.

we have to take the steps to change..

i agree the people who listen to these politians are idiots... when are people going to learn that our congressmen don't speak for us (or even some of us)... they get elected and do what ever the hell they want!! Why bother voting...it's a waste of time and empty promises!! we should do our own thing and seperate ourseleves like private owned sectors do... but the rich and government are always seen together... i know we need a government base, but why bother if it does nothing for the people... we are their bosses... the government works for us!! we give you a little, give us a little... make that a lot!!

[g-mile7]

The world doesn't, we do. The paper has no meaning, power or influence except for a value which we *choose* to give to it. It takes no effort to deny that power, all you have to do is refuse to accept it.

I guess my point is that these people have no power accept what *we* choose to give them. It takes no effort at all to simply *not give them that power* - it only takes a conscious choice. It only takes people to wake up.

Of course, it is the waking up that takes effort, because some people spend their entire lives making sure that no-one disrupts their sleep-walk to a pauper's grave.

And, in retrospect, I sound a lot like Faithless's track "Mass Destruction."


The world has no meaning. We, as a people, give this world meaning. Thus the reason I refered to "the world" in my statement. Fear is also a powerful ally in the war of lies. Many people fear change let alone trying to do something. People aren't even wise enough to know that attacking those who have never done them wrong or their culture wrong is flawed. You see it even on here. I have made the concious choice and I hope that one day I am given the chance to be heard by the masses. Maybe then people will regret what they have done or not done.

How do you not accept this power(not meant to be rude)?

[Ace42X]

How do you not accept this power(not meant to be rude)?

It is both easy and complicated at the same time. Easy on a personal level, in that you simply do not let people dictate to you. Hard in that it involves formulating an equitable level of personal responsibility and integrity, and adhering to a personal moral code.

Perhaps it is best to give an example - how does the president making a law or declaring a war achieve anything? It is not in the action - I can write exactly the same words on exactly the same paper with exactly the same pen in exactly the same place, and it will mean nothing. I can declare war, right here and now, and nothing happens. I can tell you to murder someone, and you won't. So why would someone listen to the president? Because they "have" to? What makes them? People force them to? People do this why? Because "they have to" ? Because people make THEM? And who makes them?

When it comes to the crunch, the whole system works because people do what they are told. All it takes is for one person to say "no, I won't do that." and everyone under them is free. If the police choose not to enforce a law, that law has no power.

If a million people in the street marched on the president to frag his ass out, and kick him out of office - what would happen? The army would kill a million US citizens, their friends, their family, in the street for their money?

There is no "power" - it's just a trick that makes people feel like they have no choice but to aquiesse.

All it takes is for the army to say "no, we're not going to Iraq" to avert the war. No rhetoric, no protests, no singing and dancing, just people saying "no."

Even if it is just one soldier, and everyone is against him, it only takes the MPs to say "we're not taking him away" or the judge to say "I'm not locking him up" or the guards to say "we're not going to hold him."

All it takes is for people, as individuals, to make a single ethical choice, and take responsibility for their actions.

[g-mile7]

It is both easy and complicated at the same time. Easy on a personal level, in that you simply do not let people dictate to you. Hard in that it involves formulating an equitable level of personal responsibility and integrity, and adhering to a personal moral code.

Perhaps it is best to give an example - how does the president making a law or declaring a war achieve anything? It is not in the action - I can write exactly the same words on exactly the same paper with exactly the same pen in exactly the same place, and it will mean nothing. I can declare war, right here and now, and nothing happens. I can tell you to murder someone, and you won't. So why would someone listen to the president? Because they "have" to? What makes them? People force them to? People do this why? Because "they have to" ? Because people make THEM? And who makes them?

When it comes to the crunch, the whole system works because people do what they are told. All it takes is for one person to say "no, I won't do that." and everyone under them is free. If the police choose not to enforce a law, that law has no power.

If a million people in the street marched on the president to frag his ass out, and kick him out of office - what would happen? The army would kill a million US citizens, their friends, their family, in the street for their money?

There is no "power" - it's just a trick that makes people feel like they have no choice but to aquiesse.

All it takes is for the army to say "no, we're not going to Iraq" to avert the war. No rhetoric, no protests, no singing and dancing, just people saying "no."

Even if it is just one soldier, and everyone is against him, it only takes the MPs to say "we're not taking him away" or the judge to say "I'm not locking him up" or the guards to say "we're not going to hold him."

All it takes is for people, as individuals, to make a single ethical choice, and take responsibility for their actions.


I do the same as well (not allowing those to make me feel that my opinion or choice is wrong). The fact is too many people are blind...as the old adage goes:

"In the Valley of the Blind, the one eyed man shall be KING"(works from everything to the goverment to girls in abusive realtionships)

[HAL 9000]

It is both easy and complicated at the same time. Easy on a personal level, in that you simply do not let people dictate to you. Hard in that it involves formulating an equitable level of personal responsibility and integrity, and adhering to a personal moral code.

Perhaps it is best to give an example - how does the president making a law or declaring a war achieve anything? It is not in the action - I can write exactly the same words on exactly the same paper with exactly the same pen in exactly the same place, and it will mean nothing. I can declare war, right here and now, and nothing happens. I can tell you to murder someone, and you won't. So why would someone listen to the president? Because they "have" to? What makes them? People force them to? People do this why? Because "they have to" ? Because people make THEM? And who makes them?

When it comes to the crunch, the whole system works because people do what they are told. All it takes is for one person to say "no, I won't do that." and everyone under them is free. If the police choose not to enforce a law, that law has no power.

If a million people in the street marched on the president to frag his ass out, and kick him out of office - what would happen? The army would kill a million US citizens, their friends, their family, in the street for their money?

There is no "power" - it's just a trick that makes people feel like they have no choice but to aquiesse.

All it takes is for the army to say "no, we're not going to Iraq" to avert the war. No rhetoric, no protests, no singing and dancing, just people saying "no."

Even if it is just one soldier, and everyone is against him, it only takes the MPs to say "we're not taking him away" or the judge to say "I'm not locking him up" or the guards to say "we're not going to hold him."

All it takes is for people, as individuals, to make a single ethical choice, and take responsibility for their actions.


(y) (y) (y) nail has been hit on head

[drizl]

i wish it was like that ace42x. in theory that is what can happen, and maybe some day soon it will began to cascade like that. however, those decisions are hard to make for the individual, because there is great personal risk associated with the decision.

As for judges, and people who already have "power", they are a part of the game. there are very few who actually have empowered themselves and would consider speaking out against that which is most dangerous.

dont take me wrong, i think you made a great point. i have faith someday it will happen here in america, but i think we are so deep in this shit we have created to work out something honest. so long as there is a central power we will never be free. freedom in the coming age equates to independence and efficiency- anarchy and sustainability- small scale, independent sustainable communities.

[g-mile7]

i wish it was like that ace42x. in theory that is what can happen, and maybe some day soon it will began to cascade like that. however, those decisions are hard to make for the individual, because there is great personal risk associated with the decision.

As for judges, and people who already have "power", they are a part of the game. there are very few who actually have empowered themselves and would consider speaking out against that which is most dangerous.

dont take me wrong, i think you made a great point. i have faith someday it will happen here in america, but i think we are so deep in this shit we have created to work out something honest. so long as there is a central power we will never be free. freedom in the coming age equates to independence and efficiency- anarchy and sustainability- small scale, independent sustainable communities.


I agree, those who threaten the system are the ones "taken" care of sadly (given not enough people step up for that one who speaks for them)

[Auton]

um. not all republicans are paranoid racists.

[Ace42X]

those decisions are hard to make for the individual, because there is great personal risk associated with the decision.

But *is* there? A greater risk than dying young because of being poisoned by a nearby factory? A greater risk than your children being shot in gang violence caused by impoverishment, the product of an unjust society? A greater risk than dying of heart problems because of eating Maccy Ds?

That is how the slaves were kept - create the illusion that the only alternative to servitude (with regular whipping regardless) is death or chaos.

As for judges, and people who already have "power", they are a part of the game. there are very few who actually have empowered themselves and would consider speaking out against that which is most dangerous.

It is true that the higher up the pyramid you go, the less likely people are to operate independantly of the power structure. Of course, the further up the pyramid you go, the further you get from the actual power itself too. When it comes to the enforcement arm, cops on the street, they are not much different to ourselves at all. They are our brothes, dads, uncles. Would *they* screw you over for the sake of the hierachy? The closer you get to the bottom of the pyramid, the people, the majority, the less they are invested in the system. The power has no investment in the system, just as a slave has no investment in the plantation. All it takes is for people to realise that we are all slaves, and say no more, and then see the slaver try to punish us all. But, it has to start with one person.

so long as there is a central power we will never be free.

It's a typical case of divide and conquer. "You're the illegal immigrants, you're the poor white trailer trash, you're the cops on the street, and you all have to earn a pittance, or else one lot of you will beat up another lot of you. So just get on working like good slaves, and everything will be good, and there will be more stale gruel for everyone!"

[g-mile7]

um. not all republicans are paranoid racists.


That's was the stereotype of the democrats 60 years ago....

[g-mile7]

That is how the slaves were kept - create the illusion that the only alternative to servitude (with regular whipping regardless) is death or chaos.



Even without whippings the illusion of death or chaos was there, thus like I pointed out before fear owns them. Also the fact that we tend to tear one another down on the slightest of flaws is a direct result of not seeing that which is most important.

[drizl]

bush's approval rating is in the low thirties...something like 30-34% . what the fuck. how pathetic is it that he is still in office. we need out of this system. whe do we have to wait for our congresspeople and senators? when is the mass majority going to realize that the system doesnt work, that it is way too complicated and heading towards self destruction...


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html

climate change and the resulting environmental collapse will be the great cleansing...

[QueenAdrock]

Dick Cheney had an 18% approval rating after shooting that guy in the face. And I'm pretty sure that percent was from Charlton Heston's gang of freaks.

I wonder if his has gone back up? I doubt it. He reminds me of that evil emperor guy from Star Wars. And I know that there's a shitload of people out there who don't like that guy either.

[jennyb]

I'm sorry but I have to go back to the concept that someone in your inner family circle is from this train of thought and how it feels. Granted, it's a 'step' mom, but still... my mom, brother, sister.... they are all republican types, anti-abortion, pro-bush, suv driving... ugh, it pains me to type it. :(

The thing is, I love them sooooo much. I just can't bring myself to any political convo with them cuz my care for them as people far outweighs my care for their political beliefs. I don't even know what I'm really trying to get at here, just venting I guess...

As far as the immigrant issue goes, well, I work in the construction industry in Southern California, without Mexicans, let's just say none of the buildings I design would be built. Cash workers are all too common. Legal workers mean paying all sorts of insurances and what not. Simply non-affordable. There needs to be a serious re-think of the whole system. Wow.

...and don't you think it's all too convenient that Bush wants to talk about this immigrant issue on television now that this phone spying issue came out? Can you say diversion?

[buddylee]

I beleive ther is a film called "A Day Without A Mexican" It's all about how many jobs would not be done if imigrants weren't willing to work them. maybe you should send it to her.


that movie was a joke but so was thier May 1 protest . My life was not hindered in anyway . Hell I have a 89 year old man who mowes lawn.

Only this I saw on may 1st was less traffic .

fuckem kicked out maybe kids will be able to get a paper route again.

[King of Rock $]

Let's take a look at some of the many benefits that illegal aliens
have
blessed our great country with: Street gangs, graffiti, drugs,
skyrocketing
healthcare, depreciation of property value, illiteracy

lol @ them claiming immigrants brought illiteracy to the US like its some virus that anyone can catch

[buddylee]

Moving to Mexico

Interesting thought; I wonder what would happen, if a number of
Americans,say 11 million were to go to Mexico illegally?

MR. PRESIDENT, I'M HEADED TO MEXICO

April 1, 2006

NewsWithViews.com

Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family,
and I would like to ask you to assist me.



I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S.into Mexico,and I
need to make a few arrangements.



I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration
quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do
here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox,
that I'm on my way over?



Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any
effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.



11. I plan to fly the U.S.flag from my house top, put flag decals on
my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and
don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and
never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place
on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things
for all the people who come to the U.S.from Mexico.



I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him
nicely. However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go
quail hunting with your V.P.



Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely,

[cosmo105]

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any
effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.



11. I plan to fly the U.S.flag from my house top, put flag decals on
my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and
don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and
never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place
on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things
for all the people who come to the U.S.from Mexico.

you think it's that fucking simple? you think these people take more than they contribute? you think they're hurting the economy? you think they're not fucking holding it up? how do you think the u.s. became the most powerful, richest nation? on the backs of slaves. and that's how it's staying that way. these people get NOTHING. they pay taxes. they're undocmented, so they don't get benefits, because if they went to collect them, they'd be deported. they're trying to support their families and themselves, and isn't that what the american dream is about? fuck you and fuck this country for being so pigheaded and ungrateful to the people that support it on their fucking backs.

[zorra_chiflada]

Moving to Mexico

Interesting thought; I wonder what would happen, if a number of
Americans,say 11 million were to go to Mexico illegally?

MR. PRESIDENT, I'M HEADED TO MEXICO

April 1, 2006

NewsWithViews.com

Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family,
and I would like to ask you to assist me.



I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S.into Mexico,and I
need to make a few arrangements.



I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration
quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do
here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox,
that I'm on my way over?



Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any
effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.



11. I plan to fly the U.S.flag from my house top, put flag decals on
my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and
don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and
never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place
on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things
for all the people who come to the U.S.from Mexico.



I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him
nicely. However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go
quail hunting with your V.P.



Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely,

yeah, you're an idiot.

[TurdBerglar]

i have no idea what the difference between a republican and a democrat is

[drizl]

democrats are stupid, and republicans are stoopider

[drizl]

the whole illegal immigration thing is a non issue. health care costs? well, we should have free healthcare anyways. its a disgrace that our country, as well off as it is, cannot provide free healthcare and education.
fuck governments. fuck borders. fuck anyone telling you what you can or cant do, where you can or cant go, or what you can say, eat or do. fuck them all:)


want to talk about REAL ISSUES?


GLOBAL WARMING
CONSUMERISM
GEORGE BUSH
WAR

illegal immigration, gay marriage, abortion NON ISSUES. weapons of mass distraction.

[zorra_chiflada]

^yeah.

[drizl]

what we need is UNITY. among people among races, among the people of countries. governments will not do it, revolutions are had by the people. governments will rise and fall, the people will decide. this next revolution will be big, global...our earth has been globalized, economies based on oil and foreign monies. countries no longer provide for themselves but have developed economies based on the importation and exportation of goods.
the next revolution will be global.
the next revolution will be huge.
we continue to set ourselves up for disaster.
lots of people will suffer, lots will die, governments will fall and those who are smart and work together will be the foundation for the new, sustainable future. jesus told me so.

[zorra_chiflada]

are you talking about a new world order?

[fucktopgirl]

what we need is UNITY. among people among races, among the people of countries. governments will not do it, revolutions are had by the people. governments will rise and fall, the people will decide. this next revolution will be big, global...our earth has been globalized, economies based on oil and foreign monies. countries no longer provide for themselves but have developed economies based on the importation and exportation of goods.
the next revolution will be global.
the next revolution will be huge.
we continue to set ourselves up for disaster.
lots of people will suffer, lots will die, governments will fall and those who are smart and work together will be the foundation for the new, sustainable future. jesus told me so.

jesus?

[YoungRemy]

i dont understand whats wrong with securing our borders, and trying to promote legal immigration...

[QueenAdrock]

I don't even think this argument is about "security" because if it was, maybe they'd be more worried about things such as port security. A large majority of our consumables come from overseas, and we haven't done shit to bulk up homeland security to take care of sealing our ports. There's terrorist cells INSIDE the US, and we don't give two shits about them because we're busy with illegal immigration.

The only reason why I'm against illegal immigration is because there would be undocumented people living in the US, which poses a hazardous threat. However, it doesn't seem like that's anyone else's reasoning. It just seems to me that a lot of people are anti-illegal immigration because of a raging case of xenophobia.

Strain on our economy, my ass. You know what's a strain on our economy? The fuckin' war in Iraq. Maybe we should deal with that first. I just hate when they take issues that have been around for YEARS and make it into a big deal as a diversion from what really is plaguing our society. Overhaul homeland security, stop the breeding grounds of terrorism known as the Iraqi war, strengthen our borders where it matters most, and stop using the goddamn red herring argument of illegal immigration because there are bigger and more pressing threats to our nation that we're ignoring.

[drizl]

word up queenadrock.

let us just say that governments are not set up for the good of the people. that in fact, they are set up to consolidate power into the hands of a few, to centralize economy and cash in on its citizens. governments arent providing us anything. they keep us afraid and play off our fear. they exploit our people, and our resources, control our land and try to keep us "productive". they do not provide healthcare or education. they do not provide food, water (in fact the poison our water here in the us with flouride and other chemicals) (and they poison our foods with regulation, GMO, pesticides, subsidies, the FDA etc...). governments only hold people back from being truly free. im not talking all out chaos or anarchy, but sustainable, small scale communal governments...where people can play a part, where each vote counts, where each person has a voice. when the system falls, thats where we will be, thats where we will have to organize. by then, hopefully, there will be no distractions, and unfortunately, we will be focused on survival and change.

[fucktopgirl]

REBELLION!!!!!!!!!

[zorra_chiflada]

i suppose i'm lucky that everyone in my family is a left-wing pinko. but to be honest, i don't often hear things from the republican point of view. my mother is too busy calling them "dirty bastards"

[QueenAdrock]

I like your mom.

[zorra_chiflada]

yeah, my mum is pretty awesome. my dad is awesome too being an ex-commie and all.

[Randetica]

my grandpa killed russians

[drizl]

my grandpa killed koreans:(

[QueenAdrock]

My grandpa killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese by helping develop the bomb.

[drizl]

thats killer

[Randetica]

my grandparents were nazis!

[buddylee]

you think it's that fucking simple? you think these people take more than they contribute? you think they're hurting the economy? you think they're not fucking holding it up? how do you think the u.s. became the most powerful, richest nation? on the backs of slaves. and that's how it's staying that way. these people get NOTHING. they pay taxes. they're undocmented, so they don't get benefits, because if they went to collect them, they'd be deported. they're trying to support their families and themselves, and isn't that what the american dream is about? fuck you and fuck this country for being so pigheaded and ungrateful to the people that support it on their fucking backs.

Tell my why Los Angeles County is bankrupt to the tune of $900,000
I have many friends who are cops most days over 1/3 of thier days are dealing with these Illegals asshole

Mexico's biggest export illegals in to us,
Mexico's import is the money they send back home

Plane and simple you sould go to mexico and over stay your visa (90 days)
and see what happens rape, killed , jailed , if your lucky you just be robbed and sent home.
Mexico Deports more Ppl than the US. So what country is being hipacritical
I would feel the same if it was canada

How are they paying taxes working for cash standing in the parking lot of Home Depot
My step sister was sent to the wrong school when she was 5, it was a school
the was 1/4 english 3/4 spanish teaching (she speeks english) Who pays for that? not some illegal ahole ....no the working class pays for it.

Back in 1990 I had 20+ workers that worked for me 5 spoke english . I found another job becuse after 8 months they had learned very little english yet I learned some spanish..... when I would tell them the word in english they say no spanish.
They don't want to come here they want here to become mexico

[Medellia]

(she speeks english)
HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[cosmo105]

They don't want to come here they want here to become mexico
hahahaha. good luck with that whole growing a brain stem thing.

[zorra_chiflada]

Tell my why Los Angeles County is bankrupt to the tune of $900,000
I have many friends who are cops most days over 1/3 of thier days are dealing with these Illegals asshole

Mexico's biggest export illegals in to us,
Mexico's import is the money they send back home

Plane and simple you sould go to mexico and over stay your visa (90 days)
and see what happens rape, killed , jailed , if your lucky you just be robbed and sent home.
Mexico Deports more Ppl than the US. So what country is being hipacritical
I would feel the same if it was canada

How are they paying taxes working for cash standing in the parking lot of Home Depot
My step sister was sent to the wrong school when she was 5, it was a school
the was 1/4 english 3/4 spanish teaching (she speeks english) Who pays for that? not some illegal ahole ....no the working class pays for it.

Back in 1990 I had 20+ workers that worked for me 5 spoke english . I found another job becuse after 8 months they had learned very little english yet I learned some spanish..... when I would tell them the word in english they say no spanish.
They don't want to come here they want here to become mexico

yeah, if they had the choice, i don't think they would go to the us. it's full of people like you.

you can shut up now. you've proven to everyone you're an idiot. unfortunately, people like you are allowed to vote.

[Ace42X]

blahblah, bollocks, blah blah darkie ethnic bean-eaters. Blah blah, eyes too close together.

Buddylee, you do realise that you are talking out of your ass, yah? And that everything you said was inane bollocks of the first order? And that nothing you said was actually true, accurate or incisive?

[buddylee]

You have nothing to say to stated facts , so you attack me.

I have not have a problem with Ppl who come here legaly .... Your still talking about someone who starts the life here by braking the Law.

Why wait in line when you can jump a head right. plane and simple wrong.

Once the national guard is in place things will calm down , you'll can go bleed about some other unjust the US is doing

and just for you info In my extended family , we have many races .... even an illgal who married in to my fathers wife side. I don't hate him , and my father has kicked out lots of cash to help him stay here.

so as they say you don't know me.
when you become closer to age 40 and not living off you mom and dad you will start to see thing a little ............

[cosmo105]

hah. i love that argument. "you'll become conservative when you're older and have a family to support." bullshit. my grandparents have lived through the depression, through more than three quarters of a century of the economy and political bullshit, and they're still true and blue lefties and i love them for it. my mom's raised three kids, by herself for the last 6 years, makes a really decent living, and is a diehard sierra club eco-loving tree-hugging forest-fingerbanging green hippie fruitcake and she's one of the most intelligent people i know. she doesn't have to worry about money or retirement. she lives comfortably.

as far as them being a drain on our economy? please. do you realize how little money these people make? what they send back to their families...it's NOTHING. the profit they generate for their labor is basically what props up our entire lifestyle. unless americans want to start paying more than 30 cents for a head of lettuce or $3 for their fucking sweatpants at wal-mart, we have to depend on dirt-cheap labor from either migrant workers or overseas sweatshops and factories. if we gave those jobs to americans...psh. no one would be able to afford even produce.

the issue here isn't really about money. it's about us vs. them.

[Qdrop]

you think it's that fucking simple? you think these people take more than they contribute? you think they're hurting the economy? you think they're not fucking holding it up? how do you think the u.s. became the most powerful, richest nation? on the backs of slaves. and that's how it's staying that way. these people get NOTHING. they pay taxes. they're undocmented, so they don't get benefits, because if they went to collect them, they'd be deported. they're trying to support their families and themselves, and isn't that what the american dream is about? fuck you and fuck this country for being so pigheaded and ungrateful to the people that support it on their fucking backs.

jesus christ, you drank the fuckin Kool-aid.

let's just go after a few of these supposed "facts" about illegal immigrants.

where do you get this "the people that support it on thier fuckin backs" idea?

the illegal mexican immigrants are the backbone of this economy?
any facts, figures, statistics....shit, even an unbiased article showing that?
hell, i'll even take a biased one.

you paint this picture of lowly, starving mexicans crawling here on thier knees...taking whatever lowly job they can get...working till they bleed, just for a small pitance....doing all these jobs that no one else will do...while we just shit on them and exploit them?

HA!

many of these immigrants HAVE jobs in mexico...they just want BETTER ONES. they come here illegally, undocumented...many quickly resort to criminal activity...not just construction and vegetable picking.
and they do jobs that no one else will do?
so fruit picking and construction didn't exist before illegal mexican immigrants?
did mexican immigrants invent them?

let's just get this very clear.
mexican immigrants came here, and took existing jobs at substantially lower wage- AN ILLEGALLY LOWER WAGE...BECAUSE THEY ARE FUCKIN UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGAL ALIENS, and drove the industry standard wage down to the fuckin floor....because that was still more than they were earning in mexico.
so they artificially and illegally drove down the wage to a level that other americans would not work for (or COULD NOT), because our standard of living is higher.
but the immigrants don't give a shit. they just shack up by the truckload into tiny apartments and send thier wages back to thier families...OUT OF OUR ECONOMY.
and they don't pay taxes, dear.

but we have lower prices...right?
hmm..that's nice.
what about the health care and schooling we provide to thier children. what about any costs arrising from their lack of insurance?
does it all balance out?

so you want to reward a mass of people who illegally came into this country...and artificially and ILLEGALLY drove down the economic wage on certain industries so that ONLY THEY could work them (american families cannot live on 2.25/hr unless they want to live in squalor and welfare).
yes, let's reward criminals.

all this pompous emotional clap-trap is as empty and the immigrants claim to necessity in this country.

[Qdrop]

Dear Senator Frist:

There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.

1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.

3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.

4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.

5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.

7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Repu blicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.

8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.

9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?

10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

11. It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price?

For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There has already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here?

There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010.

We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.

David J. Stoddard
U.S. Border Patrol (RET)
Hereford, Arizona

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/borderpatrol.asp

[Qdrop]

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

In April 2005, Heather Mac Donald, a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, testified before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims. On the issue of gang membership among illegal immigrants, she said:
No one knows for certain the percentage of illegals in gangs, thanks in large part to sanctuary laws themselves. But various estimates exist:

A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations. It commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.
Note, however, that this statement references a California Department of Justice study (not an FBI report), and that it describes only a single gang in Los Angeles County (the 18th Street Gang), the gang that likely has the highest membership rate of illegal aliens.
-----------------

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

This figure also appears (unsourced) in Heather Mac Donald's testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims:
In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in the first half of 2004 (which totaled 1,200 to 1,500) targeted illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) were for illegal aliens.
Even if the statistic is accurate, however, it is subject to a variety of interpretations. For example, illegal aliens might be disproportionately represented by outstanding homicide warrants in Los Angeles because they are more likely to flee the jurisdiction before their cases are adjudicated than legal residents are (not necessarily because they commit a far greater share of the homicides in Los Angeles). This interpretation is supported by a University of California Davis summary of immigration issues that notes:
The Los Angeles Police Department has a 12-year old Foreign Prosecution Unit that pursues suspects who fled the US after committing crimes in Los Angeles and gives testimony when they are prosecuted aboard. The United States does not have extradition treaties with most Latin American countries but many countries, for example, Mexico, Nicaragua or El Salvador try suspects for murder and other violent crimes committed in the US.

The Foreign Prosecution Unit was founded in 1985, after a study found that nearly half of the LAPD's outstanding arrest warrants involved Mexican nationals who were presumed to have fled the country. The FPU works with Interpol to find suspects who flee abroad and then prepares the evidence so that the person can be arrested and prosecuted. The FPU clears about one-third of its cases, compared to two-thirds of all homicide cases in Los Angeles.

The Mexican consulate in Los Angeles has a representative of the Mexican attorney general's office to work with the FPU in prosecuting suspects in Mexico for crimes committed in Los Angeles.

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Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.

Although illegal aliens are not generally eligible to collect public welfare benefits, an illegal alien may receive benefits under the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and Food Stamps programs on behalf of his or her U.S. citizen child. (Any child born in the United States is considered a U.S. citizen, regardless of the parents' immigration status.) A 1997 General Accounting Office (GAO) report determined that in 1995 households headed by illegal aliens received a total of $700 million in AFDC benefits and $430 million in Food Stamps.

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Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

As the Sacramento Bee recently reported, the "over 90%" figure for population growth in California is essentially accurate if the term "immigration" is defined to encompass both foreign immigrants and births to immigrant mothers:
When Department of Finance numbers are merged with Census Bureau numbers and birth and death data collected by the state Department of Health Services are added to the mix, showing that half of all births are to immigrant mothers, the inescapable conclusion is that foreign immigration and births to immigrant mothers together comprise all of the state's net population growth. Or, to put it another way, without foreign immigration, California would have virtually zero population growth.

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FEEL FREE TO LOOK UP AND VERIFY ANY OF THAT.
I WILL IF YOU WANT.

[Qdrop]

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die ... Through love of having children, we are going to take over."

-The is an excerpt from a statement by Augustin Cebada of the Brown Berets de Aztlán, a paramilitary offshoot of the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (MEChA), delivered during a Fourth of July rally held outside the Federal Building in Westwood, California, in 1996:

"We're here today to show L.A., show the minority people here, the Anglo-Saxons, that we are here, the majority, we're here to stay. We do the work in this city, we take care of the spoiled brat children, we clean their offices, we pick the food, we do the manufacturing in the factories of L.A., we are the majority here, and we are not going to be pushed around.

We're here in Westwood, this is the fourth time we've been here in the last two months, to show white Anglo-Saxon Protestant L.A., the few of you who remain, that we are the majority, and we claim this land as ours, it's always been ours, and we're still here, and uh, none of this talk about deporting. If anybody's going to be deported it's going to be you."

[SHOUTING] "Go back to Simi Valley, you skunks! Go back to Woodland Hills! Go back to Boston! Go back to the Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You're old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you; leave like beaten rats.

You old white people, it is your duty to die. Even their own ethicists say that they should die; that they have a duty to die. They're taking up too much space, too much air.

We are the majority in L.A. There's over seven million Mexicans in L.A. County alone. We are the majority. And you're going to see every day more and more of it, as we ... we manifest as our young people grow up, graduate from high school, go on to college and start taking over this society. Our people ... are ... the vast majority of our people are under the age of 15 years old. Right now we're already controlling those elections, whether it's through violence or nonviolence. Through love of having children we are gonna take over."

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"They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over ... We are here to stay."

-This is an excerpt from a statement made by Richard Alatorre (then a member of the Los Angeles City Council) at a Latino summit conference in Los Angeles in September 1996, about the upcoming Proposition 209 ballot measure, which sought to prohibit governmental agencies in California from

"discriminating against or giving preferential treatment to any individual or group in public employment ... on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin" (also known as the "end of affirmative action" proposition):
Because our numbers are growing, they're afraid about this great mass of minorities that now live in our community. They're afraid that we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They are right, we will take them over, and we are not going to go away — we are here to stay, and we are saying 'ya basta' (enough!) and we are going to turn ... and uh, de ... not elect or re-elect people that believe that they are going to advance their political careers on the backs of immigrants and the backs of minorities."

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"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California."

-This is a sentence taken from a statement given by Art Torres, a fomer California State Assembly member and State Senator, at the UC Riverside conference referenced above:

"It is an honor to be with the new leadership of the Americas, here meeting at UC Riverside. So with 187 on the ballot, what is it going to take for our people to vote, to see us walking into the gas ovens? It is electoral power that is going to make the determination of where we go as a community. And power is not given to you; you have to take it. Remember: 187 is the last gasp of white America in California. Understand that. And people say to me on the Senate floor when I was in the Senate, 'Why do you fight so hard for affirmative action programs?' And I tell my white colleagues, 'because you're going to need them' [laughter].


(NOTE: A month after making this statement, Art Torres was appointed Chairman of the California Democratic Party, a position he holds as of 2006.)

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"California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave."

Mario Obledo was a co-founder of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) and the La Raza Lawyers of California bar association, and he formerly served as California's Secretary of Health and Welfare. We don't know exactly when and where he first made his controversial statement about California's becoming a "Hispanic state," but he has confirmed he said it at least twice: during an appearance on Ray Briem's talk radio show in May or June of 1998, and again on Tom Leykis' talk radio show:
Obledo: "We're going to take over all the political institutions of California. In five years the Hispanics are going to be the majority population of this state."

Caller: "You also made the statement that California is going to become a Hispanic state, and if anyone doesn't like it, they should leave. Did you say that?"

Obledo: "I did. They ought to go back to Europe."

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^ these people don't speak for all immigrants....but it is interesting to hear the voices of those that are supposed to be formal representative of mexicans and hispanics.

so they only care about working hard and supporting thier families, huh?

and if you think those are bullshit....i can link you to the audio clips if you like.

while some of you come with blind, bleeding heart liberal emotion....i come with facts and figures.

[YoungRemy]

did anyone see Anderson Coopers "24 hours on the border" special last night on CNN?

[drizl]

if i were a mexican LA gang member, the first thing i would do would be to take out buddylee.

xenophobic moron

[buddylee]

if i were a mexican LA gang member, the first thing i would do would be to take out buddylee.

xenophobic moron

wow

[Medellia]

You have nothing to say to stated facts , so you attack me.

I have not have a problem with Ppl who come here legaly .... Your still talking about someone who starts the life here by braking the Law.

Why wait in line when you can jump a head right. plane and simple wrong.

Once the national guard is in place things will calm down , you'll can go bleed about some other unjust the US is doing

and just for you info In my extended family , we have many races .... even an illgal who married in to my fathers wife side. I don't hate him , and my father has kicked out lots of cash to help him stay here.

so as they say you don't know me.
when you become closer to age 40 and not living off you mom and dad you will start to see thing a little ............
Erm, is English your second language, or are you just an idiot? Maybe you "speek" English real good? :confused:

[Pres Zount]

What the fuck is Qdrop doing here? Didn't we vote to get rid of you from bf? You can't sneak back in whenever you feel like it.

"I'm leaving" means leaving.

[Ace42X]

Another, more relevent, question is when did he give up on researching his material, and decided to use a plethora of xenophobic bollocks and subjective drivel instead? Congratulations on a "Tripple O'Reily" there Q.

[drizl]

the old triple o'reily haha. that guy is a fucking bastard. what a shit eater

[Qdrop]

Another, more relevent, question is when did he give up on researching his material, and decided to use a plethora of xenophobic bollocks and subjective drivel instead? Congratulations on a "Tripple O'Reily" there Q.

feel free to look any of it up for validity.
then get back to me, Ace.

i'll be waiting.

[Qdrop]

What the fuck is Qdrop doing here? Didn't we vote to get rid of you from bf? You can't sneak back in whenever you feel like it.

"I'm leaving" means leaving.

i plainly stated i'd jump on any interesting threads...as rare as they are.

[Ace42X]

feel free to look any of it up for validity.
then get back to me, Ace.


I could point out the irrelevancies, red herrings, bias, selectivity in your sources, but there really is no point, as I suspect you know just as well as I do that you were playing devil's advocate, and doing a particularly poor job of it.

[Qdrop]

I could point out the irrelevancies, red herrings, bias, selectivity in your sources, but there really is no point, as I suspect you know just as well as I do that you were playing devil's advocate, and doing a particularly poor job of it.

bullshit.

bring it over to Political...i made a thread.

my challenge stands.
your choice.

[marsdaddy]

I'm going to post three times in a row to "bolster" my position here. Okay, I won't, but I could.

A friend of mine is turning more conservative in his old age. He mentioned that he is torn on this issue. His gardener, housekeeper, and nanny are all in the US illegally, though each has been here for many years. He doesn't want to pay more for these services.

And the health care issue is a non-issue, really. There are more Medically Indigent American citizens without than immigrants. Health care is a problem, regardless.

But, if there isn't a labor issue in the US, why are companies outsourcing and hiring illegals?

[Qdrop]

I
A friend of mine is turning more conservative in his old age. He mentioned that he is torn on this issue. His gardener, housekeeper, and nanny are all in the US illegally, though each has been here for many years. He doesn't want to pay more for these services. thus supporting an illegal, unethical, and economically damaging ARTIFICIAL wage drop in certain sectors.
the Illegal don't have to pay taxes, health care, etc....therefore, they are able to sustain themselve on such low wages, even if it's poverty.
an american worker could not...not after taxes, healthcare, etc....

the illegals have a strangle-hold on certain sectors..NOT because they do the work no amercian wants to (a bullshit myth), but because they illegally and unethically made the playing field unequal....and forced the wages into an area where only THEY (without taxes, healthcare, insurance, etc) can afford to take them.

[Ace42X]

the illegals have a strangle-hold on certain sectors..NOT because they do the work no amercian wants to (a bullshit myth), but because they illegally and unethically made the playing field unequal....and forced the wages into an area where only THEY (without taxes, healthcare, insurance, etc) can afford to take them.

Pro free-market capitalism, except when it is "unfair to us hard working Americans who deserve better."

[Qdrop]

Pro free-market capitalism, except when it is "unfair to us hard working Americans who deserve better."

untrue.

what is the point of minimum wage? it is supposed to be the least one can make at a job, but still produce enough income to survive in the community after taxes, healthcare and insurance costs, etc....
most would agree it is ALREADY too low...

but what if you didn't have to pay taxes? or health care? or insurance? shit man...that would nearly double my paycheck.
minimum wage would be a semi-decent living.

now if you were paid LESS than minimum wage...but didn't have to pay taxes, health care, insurance....than, you wouldn't be living the high life...but would be able to have a livable income. but most imporantly...you would have legitamate advantage over others who may be competing for that job....because, unlike you, they have to pay taxes and health care and insurance....they simply can't live on that wage. but you can. and so can your buddies that you board with. and you can send a chunk of it to your family out of country.

it's an ARTIFICIAL wage decrease that DOES NOT fit into our capitalist free market, ACE.

[Ace42X]

but what if you didn't have to pay taxes? or health care? or insurance? shit man...that would nearly double my paycheck.
minimum wage would be a semi-decent living.

Bullshit. Stop talking crap just to try and raise an argument, and come back when you have an actual opinion on the matter you have thought of yourself, rather than just come up with to be controversial. Firstly, the poorest segements of society on minimum wage don't pay taxes anyway, secondly, illegal immigrants don't get any "benefits" from the other things, including healthare or insurance, and thus don't cost.

Really, fuck off, you are running my patience low with your Bill O'Reilly shit. If you actually cared enough about this issue, you'd do your own research, rather than pulling out the first shit you could find from some Republican bullshit blog.

[Qdrop]

Firstly, the poorest segements of society on minimum wage don't pay taxes anyway, lies.
they have to apply for tax credit, and many don't.

and those that do---
"The EITC is available only to low-income tax filing units (individuals or families) with earnings. While the EITC is primarily for parents, there is a small credit for low-income workers who are not parents. For all EITC recipients, the size of the credit initially rises with earnings, reaches a plateau, and then diminishes with each additional dollar earned. The maximum credit for a working family with two children was $3,756 in tax year 1998. Families with two children and incomes between $9,390 and $12,260 could claim this maximum credit and families with two children and incomes up to $30,095 were eligible for some EITC benefit."

look at those numbers. only those under $12,260 pay no taxes. that's 3,000 BELOW the poverty line. the rest can get assistance at best...but taxes must be paid.

illegal pay nothing.

secondly, illegal immigrants don't get any "benefits" from the other things, including healthare or insurance, and thus don't cost. thier children get free schooling and healthcare...on our dime.
emergancy visits are paid for on OUR dime.

"Although illegal aliens are not generally eligible to collect public welfare benefits, an illegal alien may receive benefits under the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and Food Stamps programs on behalf of his or her U.S. citizen child. (Any child born in the United States is considered a U.S. citizen, regardless of the parents' immigration status.) A 1997 General Accounting Office (GAO) report determined that in 1995 households headed by illegal aliens received a total of $700 million in AFDC benefits and $430 million in Food Stamps."

^^ statistical irrevelance? clap trap?
stop being a bitch and prove it.

[Rancid_Beasties]

I'm suprised you guys havent started using footnotes.

[Ace42X]

lies.

Depending on a number of variables, minimum wage individuals with a family of dependants can qualify for EITC to a greater or lesser amount.

thier children get free schooling and healthcare...on our dime.
emergancy visits are paid for on OUR dime.

Because "Any child born in the United States is considered a U.S. citizen, regardless of the parents' immigration status."

So yes, you're right, poor children who are US citizens with just as much entitlement as any other poor child *do* get social support. Just like any other poor child, regardless of creed or colour in your country.

statistical irrevelance?

Quite, unless you are arguing that those pesky illegals are feeding their poor starving US citizen children grass so that they can get fat on those food stamps!

Seriously, FUCK OFF until you come up with some non-bullshit.

[Qdrop]

Depending on a number of variables, minimum wage individuals with a family of dependants can qualify for EITC to a greater or lesser amount. so your point that the very poor pay no taxes was incorrect.

kinda like when Enigma said every Swiss owns a gun.
hmmm...



Because "Any child born in the United States is considered a U.S. citizen, regardless of the parents' immigration status."

So yes, you're right, poor children who are US citizens with just as much entitlement as any other poor child *do* get social support. Just like any other poor child, regardless of creed or colour in your country. only, with children of illegal immigrants...the parents do not pay school taxes.
the rest of the legal parents of other children pick up the tab.
you see?
that's called leaching.



Quite, unless you are arguing that those pesky illegals are feeding their poor starving US citizen children grass so that they can get fat on those food stamps! the parents eat that food and use that aid money for themselves as well.
thier children are part of thier meal ticket from the US gov't.
a subsidy to go with thier untaxed job pay.

no...they don't have it great.
i repeat,
no, they don't have it great. but they do have it ILLEGAL...and thier methods economically hurt certain sectors, drain funds disproportionately, and skew the job market and pay rates.

Seriously, FUCK OFF until you come up with some non-bullshit. you've yet to make ONE valid contrary argument.

[Ace42X]

so your point that the very poor pay no taxes was incorrect.

They do not. The tax credit "pays the taxes" which is awarded to families from the government, which gets its money from *taxing the hard working people of America*. Those white trailor trash leeches!

And clearly, in the context of this discussion, I was only referring to the taxes which illegals DO NOT PAY EITHER. The fact that the poor, like immigrants, pay sales tax, VAT, etc / whatever is neither here nor there.

kinda like when Enigma said every Swiss owns a gun.
hmmm...

No, but that doesn't stop you from stretching, eh? See, you're getting desperate.

only, with children of illegal immigrants...the parents do not pay school taxes.

And neither do the parents of the very poor. The government pays for that via "tax credits." And, of course, you ignore the many citizens who aren't forthcoming with their taxes, as if only illegals don't pay it, and the fact that they very poor on minimum wage are often paid cash-in-hand ANYWAY, leaving the door wide open for them to avoid paying taxes.

the rest of the legal parents of other children pick up the tab.
you see?
that's called leaching.

No, that's called a bullshit talking point. The alternative would be for legal US citizens to *not attend school* and grow up *as legal US citizens* without any sort of education. By your argument, all children with parents who are guilty of tax-fraud should be suspended from education until the equivalent cash is replaced. Clearly bullshit.

Actually, when those children grow up and get a job like other *legal US citizens* - they will be paying taxes into the schooling system, and a lot more taxes too if they are in an educated job, rather than work which is more likely to be paid cash-in-hand.

the parents eat that food and use that aid money for themselves as well.

Because Uncle Sam is just so generous that he gives each child enough food stamps for TWO children?

I'm not interested in your racist supposition. Fuck off.

you've yet to make ONE valid contrary argument.

You've yet to make a single valid argument full stop. There can be rebuttal when there is no case to answer, something I said from the off. Along with "fuck off, and come back when you have something substantial."

I am not going to put in more effort refuting your cut-and-paste nonsense than you take lifting it off whatever crackpot rightwing blog you got it from in the first place. So yes, I am not going to be drawn further.

[Qdrop]

And clearly, in the context of this discussion, I was only referring to the taxes which illegals DO NOT PAY EITHER. The fact that the poor, like immigrants, pay sales tax, VAT, etc / whatever is neither here nor there.
yes, i am obviously not talking about sales tax.

i am alluding to the fact that many poor family do not apply for tax credit:

"Furthermore, the EITC can only influence the labor supply of low-income parents who know about the program.3 Although the federal government and many advocacy groups have designed outreach programs to increase program participation, relatively little is known about whether potentially eligible recipients are aware of the EITC."

so many still pay thier taxes and do thier part.
or perhaps don't and get paid under the table. pure speculation.

regardless, your comment that the very poor don't pay taxes anyway is specious at best.


No, but that doesn't stop you from stretching, eh? See, you're getting desperate. ahh...yeah, I'M the desparate one?
i'm not the one desparately trying to create an escape route at the end of every post.



And neither do the parents of the very poor. The government pays for that via "tax credits." And, of course, you ignore the many citizens who aren't forthcoming with their taxes, as if only illegals don't pay it, and the fact that they very poor on minimum wage are often paid cash-in-hand ANYWAY, leaving the door wide open for them to avoid paying taxes. all equally as bad. no one is dismissing that.
but 2 wrongs don't make a right, do they?


No, that's called a bullshit talking point. The alternative would be for legal US citizens to *not attend school* and grow up *as legal US citizens* without any sort of education. By your argument, all children with parents who are guilty of tax-fraud should be suspended from education until the equivalent cash is replaced. Clearly bullshit. no, the alternative would be for the illegals to become citizens, pay school taxes...or if they cannot afford to and need EITC relief, this can be documented and govt$$ allotments can be arranged accordingly...instead of funds running dry due inaccurate census.
doesn't happen? look it up.

but that just points a bigger problem....people who can't afford an american life...coming to america anyway...and applying for welfare aid of somekind.
THAT'S the american dream!?

WTF?

Actually, when those children grow up and get a job like other *legal US citizens* - they will be paying taxes into the schooling system, and a lot more taxes too if they are in an educated job, rather than work which is more likely to be paid cash-in-hand. all after the fact.
if that's how you feel, and have faith in that system...how about Britian sends us a multibillion dollar loan to pay for illegals children's education...and later, when they are paying tons of taxes with thier great jobs, we'll use that money to pay you back.
sound good?
eh?
no in a million fuckin years....



Because Uncle Sam is just so generous that he gives each child enough food stamps for TWO children?

I'm not interested in your racist supposition. Fuck off. oh..pulling the race card out of nowhere?

i'm sorry, WHO was the desparate one again?

[Ace42X]

i am alluding to the fact that many poor family do not apply for tax credit

Beside the point. You might as well say "many mexicans don't use the roads, so don't cost the taxpayers for that.

pure speculation.

Precisely, which is why you should fuck off and come back with an argument that doesn't rely on it.

i'm not the one desparately trying to create an escape route at the end of every post.

I am the one desperately trying to get back to completing Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi, and I have to keep coming back to correct you. When my patience is worn sufficiently thin, you will know.

this can be documented and govt$$ allotments can arranged accordingly...instead of funds running dry due inaccurate cenus.
doesn't happen? look it up.

Yeah, create more work for me while you recycle lame talking points to distract from the fact that you have nothing. Taking a census has nothing about it, as the number of newly born US citizens with illegal parents is no harder to predict than how many of those "oh so many people who don't claim EIDC" will take it up in that time, or how many more people will be economically forced to take it up *between* census years.

THAT'S the american dream!?

Different to white trailer park cabbage heads shitting out kids for precisely the same reason?

if that's how you feel, and have faith in that system

I don't, but that is how the system is setup for all your other countrymen. To descriminate against *perfectly legitimate and entitled* countrymen on the grounds that their PARENTS are 'spics is ethically wrong. It might be more pragmatic, but then, ethically wrong and unjust courses of action often are.

oh..pulling the race card out of nowhere?

"Out of nowhere" ? Sorry, are we not talking about Mexicans? Are these children not legally afforded all the same rights and privlidges of other Americans? Are you not bitching about them, AND ONLY THEM receiving the same treatment other Americans enjoy?

That's racial descrimination, irrespective of your justifications. If you don't like the cap, don't wear it.

And I said "that [supposition] was racist" not "you are a racist", not ad hominem I think you'll find.

And look, my posts are getting longer and longer, despite me being less and less interested in refuting your crap. And you wonder why I keep trying to get out? It's not because I am "desperate" - but because you are providing particularly uninteresting and stale arguments and sources. If you wonder why I am still persisting, it is just to make sure the facts are on the table. I have long since given up trying to persuade you of *anything* using reasoning and logic. As has most of the board I gather.

[Qdrop]

Beside the point. You might as well say "many mexicans don't use the roads, so don't cost the taxpayers for that.
no, you said the very poor americans don't pay taxes. that was incorrect.
you were wrong.

done.



Precisely, which is why you should fuck off and come back with an argument that doesn't rely on it. my point being that you were specualting far more than I on that topic.
perhaps you should take your own advice then?



I am the one desperately trying to get back to completing Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi, and I have to keep coming back to correct you. When my patience is worn sufficiently thin, you will know.
oh so sorry, emperor.



Taking a census has nothing about it, as the number of newly born US citizens with illegal parents is no harder to predict than how many of those "oh so many people who don't claim EIDC" will take it up in that time, or how many more people will be economically forced to take it up *between* census years.
ha! the numbers are growing epidemically:

"Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

As the Sacramento Bee recently reported, the "over 90%" figure for population growth in California is essentially accurate if the term "immigration" is defined to encompass both foreign immigrants and births to immigrant mothers:
When Department of Finance numbers are merged with Census Bureau numbers and birth and death data collected by the state Department of Health Services are added to the mix, showing that half of all births are to immigrant mothers, the inescapable conclusion is that foreign immigration and births to immigrant mothers together comprise all of the state's net population growth. Or, to put it another way, without foreign immigration, California would have virtually zero population growth."

now is ALL of the from Illegal immigrants? doubtful.
point being...illegals contribute a HUGE amount of population growth...and because thier parents are undocumented...funds for schooling and tax allotments are thrown off.

Different to white trailer park cabbage heads shitting out kids for precisely the same reason? those are american idiots causing us american problems.

why should we be forced to take on mexico's problems of the same nature?

so your logic is "if we have american trailer trash getting welfare for kids...why not allow illegal immigrants the same?"

brilliant ace.



I don't, but that is how the system is setup for all your other countrymen. To descriminate against *perfectly legitimate and entitled* countrymen on the grounds that their PARENTS are 'spics is ethically wrong. It might be more pragmatic, but then, ethically wrong and unjust courses of action often are. i discriminate based on the fact that thier parents came here to abuse the system.

we already have nationalized IDIOT citizens doing the same. we don't need anymore.



"Out of nowhere" ? Sorry, are we not talking about Mexicans? Are these children not legally afforded all the same rights and privlidges of other Americans? thanks to a legal loophole.
Are you not bitching about them, AND ONLY THEM receiving the same treatment other Americans enjoy? i'm bitching about ANY illegal immigrant's child enjoying american benifits without have a parent pay in for them.
again...that's leeching.
that unjust no matter how you want to spin that.

That's racial descrimination, irrespective of your justifications. If you don't like the cap, don't wear it. my sentiments are based on recipients of aid, that do not pay back into the system to support it.
race, nationality, etc...has no bearing.

and shame on you for falling back on a schoolground debate trick.



And I said "that [supposition] was racist" not "you are a racist", not ad hominem I think you'll find. it was neither.
and you knew that.

shame on you.

[Ace42X]

perhaps you should take your own advice then?

Hardly, it is perfectly acceptable to refute your speculative posts with counter-speculation.

those are american idiots causing us american problems.

So are the children of illegal immigrants, who are just as American as you are, regardless of their skin colour.

why should we be forced to take on mexico's problems of the same nature?

It isn't Mexico's problem - those children were born in the US, they are US citizens under your law, just as much as you are.

so your logic is "if we have american trailer trash getting welfare for kids...why not allow illegal immigrants the same?"

brilliant ace.

Red-herring. You are not "allowing illegal immigrants" anything. It is the CHILDREN that receive the benefits, and the children are US citizens, as much as anyone else, even if you dislike their skin colour.

i discriminate based on the fact that thier parents came here to abuse the system.

Whereas children whose parents gave birth to them in order to abuse the system (by receiving welfare) are alright, just as long as they are white, right?

Ignoring the race issue, which I am repeating just because it amuses me to see you caught in the coincidental racism you have argued yourself into, the fact of the matter is the parents are irrelevent. The sins of the parents are not visited on the children - it is a core tenet of law found in every civilised society. To hold the legal US citizen children responsible is like hanging a child because his dad is a mass murderer.

again...that's leeching.
that unjust no matter how you want to spin that.

It's no more unjust than any welfare system. The whole point of them is that they benefit those in need, not those who have worked long enough to have earned it. Plenty of white Americans benefit more from the welfare system than they do or have paid in, and you are just descriminating based on origins. A pointless exercise in mindless prejudice. According to you, someone who is heavily disabled and needs fulltime care their whole life is "leeching" - on the grounds that there is no way they or their parents could ever cover the cost of keeping them and their medical expenses. Are you going to advocate kicking their gold-bricking asses to the curb? And yet, the Mexicans ARE doing jobs, and their kids ARE becoming as educated and as valid a member of society as any other legal American.

Spin doesn't come into it, mr O'reilly.

my sentiments are based on recipients of aid, that do not pay back into the system to support it.
race, nationality, etc...has no bearing.

Yah, tell those downsyndromes and quadroplegics who's boss!

And you can stop "for shaming" me just because you're in the wrong and you know it, but are too stubborn to accept that he's been a cock from the start.

[ASsman]

Fucking Ignorant. You, Q.


I don't even know where to start with you, so I wont bother. (y)

[Qdrop]

So are the children of illegal immigrants, who are just as American as you are, thanks to exploitation of an amnesty clause.
its abusing the system.


regardless of their skin colour. another disgusting attempt to label me a racist.
what the fuck is wrong with you man?


It isn't Mexico's problem - those children were born in the US, they are US citizens under your law, just as much as you are. Mexico's citizens cannot get the income level they desire. thier economy isn't strong enough. that's why they come here...which is fine.
but if they do it illegally, well it causes a litany of issues which have already been listed...including the automatic citizenship and $$ support of any children they have here..as those children are the innocent pawns in the illegals game.

it's expliotation of a well-intentioned amnesty clause.



Red-herring. You are not "allowing illegal immigrants" anything. It is the CHILDREN that receive the benefits, the parents use that aid, and you know it.
welfare children are money machines for the parents.

even if you dislike their skin colour. yet another shameless attempt to cloud the debate and label me a racist to garner emotional support.

i have honestley never seen you drop so low, Ace.
you are really disgusting me..



Whereas children whose parents gave birth to them in order to abuse the system (by receiving welfare) are alright, look back on this thread. i stated numberous times that was just as agredious. and you know that.

just as long as they are white, right? and here it is again.
if this wasn't such a disgusting display you were putting on...i would think it comical.

Ignoring the race issue, which I am repeating just because it amuses me to see you caught in the coincidental racism you have argued yourself into, no, it is purely a strawman you created and are trying to transparently push upon me. truly disgracefull and poor form for you.
i expect this of Tone Capone and others..but not of you.
you have really changed my entire opinion of you, Ace.

the fact of the matter is the parents are irrelevent. The sins of the parents are not visited on the children - it is a core tenet of law found in every civilised society. To hold the legal US citizen children responsible is like hanging a child because his dad is a mass murderer. agreed.
the problem is that this system is being brutally abused and exploited at our expense.


It's no more unjust than any welfare system. The whole point of them is that they benefit those in need, not those who have worked long enough to have earned it. and those that put back INTO it through taxation at some point.
give a penny, take a penny.

Plenty of white Americans benefit more from the welfare system than they do or have paid in, and you are just descriminating based on origins. if we already have an issue with disproporionate aid and replenishment...why extend that problem by allowing illegal's to furhter expliot it?
again, you are pushing the "they're doing it...why can't these people do it to".
childish.

A pointless exercise in mindless prejudice. According to you, someone who is heavily disabled and needs fulltime care their whole life is "leeching" - on the grounds that there is no way they or their parents could ever cover the cost of keeping them and their medical expenses. HA...comparing a chosen indescretion (illegal immigration and the birth of children in another nation to acheive amnesty and a welfare river vs. a random genetic defect.) try again.

And yet, the Mexicans ARE doing jobs, and their kids ARE becoming as educated and as valid a member of society as any other legal American. fantastic. do it legally.

immigration= fantastic
illegal immigration= bad.

Spin doesn't come into it, mr O'reilly. you say, as you desparately try to paint me as David Duke.



And you can stop "for shaming" me just because you're in the wrong and you know it, but are too stubborn to accept that he's been a cock from the start.
so your plan is to keep alluding to me somehow being a racist until i explode and lose my cool?

ace, you have truly changed my entire veiw of you today.
you truly are a deplorable coward.

[Qdrop]

Fucking Ignorant. You, Q.


I don't even know where to start with you, so I wont bother. (y)

you couldn't last 2 posts with me.

you're so brutally biased on this topic is would be pointless.

[Ace42X]

another disgusting attempt to label me a racist.
what the fuck is wrong with you man?

What you are saying is racist, as all the criticisms you have listed can equally be pointed to people you do not have a problem with, as I have shown. The only difference that remains is "where their parents came from." IE race.

Am I calling you a racist? No. But what you are saying is racist, whether you are comfortable admitting it or no.

it's expliotation of a well-intentioned amnesty clause.

American citizens getting American schooling is "the exploitation of a well-intentioned amnesty clause."

Hardly.

And, legally, they are American citizens every much as you are. So why do you not think they are "American" enough for you? Because you dislike their parentage, yes?

the parents use that aid, and you know it.
welfare children are money machines for the parents.

As they are for white people in a trailer park. But that's ok because they are "American" in your book, because the parents come from a demographic you approve of.

yet another shameless attempt to cloud the debate and label me a racist to garner emotional support.

Hardly, I was teasing you. But often a true word is spoken in jest. The fact that you are continuing in this vein is evidence enough.

i have honestley never seen you drop so low, Ace.
you are really disgusting me.

You're the one who wants to deny the little brown babies an education because you dislike how their parents live their lives, even though you have no problem affording the same rights to trailer trash. The facts speak for themselves, whether it is me mouthing it or someone else. You only have your own arguments to be ashamed of, I'm afraid.

if this wasn't such a disgusting display you were putting on...i would think it comical.

Whatever you say, Adolf.

i expect this of Tone Capone and others..but not of you.
you have really changed my entire opinion of you, Ace.

Yeah, your xenophobic and racist arguments are *my fault*. Whatever.

the problem is that this system is being brutally abused and exploited at our expense.

How? Schools are free to all already, brown-skinned or otherwise. These children are as American as the next man, and entitled to all the things that other Americans are. Now if you want to change the law to keep all those horrible horrible spics and their bastard children out of the father land, then feel free to tell us how these little babies aren't good enough to be an American, until then, you don't have a leg to stand on.

and those that put back INTO it through taxation at some point.
give a penny, take a penny.

Heh, self-contradition ahoy. These newly born American children, receiving a free US education, will be putting it back into the system. Of course, they're beaners, so they don't count, dirty 'spics. Right? Oh, that's right, it's because of their PARENTS. The PARENTS aren't American enough. Just like how the Jews that had been born in Germany weren't German enough.

HA...comparing a chosen indescretion (illegal immigration and the birth of children in another nation to acheive amnesty and a welfare river vs. a random genetic defect. try again.

I don't need to, it makes the point. Your argument was purely fiscal. You said that they didn't deserve the benefits because they didn't pay into it. Neither do those who are genetically defective either. By YOUR argument, they do not deserve aid because they are "leeching." It's your double-standard, "prejudice" if you will, not mine. Also, it is not a "chosen" indiscretion. The children, who are American citizens, do not "choose" to require free education and more than the handicapped choose to require care.

Why don't YOU try again, as you still have yet to come up with something other than bullshit, despite me asking you to RIGHT AT THE START.

ace, you have truly changed my entire veiw of you today.
you truly are a deplorable coward.

Whereas you haven't changed my view at all. From the start you were full of shit and unable to provide anything of merit, despite poking and prodding, and you are still unable to bring anything but smug self-satisfaction and a few off topic jabs because you bullshitted yourself into the shitty corner, and are worried about coming away stinking.

[Qdrop]

What you are saying is racist, as all the criticisms you have listed can equally be pointed to people you do not have a problem with, as I have shown. The only difference that remains is "where their parents came from." IE race.
no. their parents actions.


As they are for white people in a trailer park. But that's ok because they are "American" in your book, because the parents come from a demographic you approve of. for the last time, you stupid british fuck, i have been very clear such actions are deplorable regardless of national decent.....


eh...now we are just going in cirlces.

this is basically how it went down.
i posted a collection of researched, documented data, as well as some opinion pieces that support my view.
you said is was republican bullshit.
i said prove it.
you said you didn't wanna. you were busy playing videogames.
then i said you outta put up or shut up.
you launched into a pile of unsubstantiated remarks about how i was clearly full of shit, and i knew it.
i said prove it.
you contiued with your unsubstantiated ego trippings about how wrong i was and it was so super obvious.
then you suddenly switched and somehow starting using your preceded basesless accusations as EVIDENCE that you have been kicking my ass for several posts and i was just unworthy.
your favorite "argument of intimidation and assertion".
then you turned to the deplorabley-low "you're just a racist" route.
and you continued with it...all the while offering very little, if any debate....or attempting to refute any of the initial posts or data i posted.
this might as well have taken place on the fuckin monkey bars on the playground for all the tactics being used on your part.

so you said nothing for posts and posts.
then said that you kicked my ass.
then said that i was a racist.
then said that anyone can plainly see all of this if they go through and read through our rambling posts (which no one will and you know that), and are relying on this absence of scrutiny on the part of others to just assume that you kicked my ass and i'm a racist.
they'll just take your word for it.

did i get it all?


Ace, i fuckin whipped your ass on this one.
it's all there.
you can now go back to your videogames, you cowardly little liar.

[ASsman]

you couldn't last 2 posts with me.

you're so brutally biased on this topic is would be pointless.
While your cracker ass isn't. Or should I say, ain't.

[Ace42X]

no. their parents actions.

So you say, but as has been illustrated, the self-same actions of other people's parents you deem acceptable if they come from the US. Therefore it is where the parents come from. QED. Face it.

for the last time, you stupid british fuck, i have been very clear such actions a deplorable regardless of national decent...

Is that so?

those are american idiots causing us american problems.

why should we be forced to take on mexico's problems of the same nature?

So, it is not "regardless of national descent." You pompous hypocritical windbag. Go fuck yourself, Goebbels.

[Qdrop]

your cracker ass..

thanks for proving my point.

wipe your mouth, you're drooling.

[Qdrop]

So, it is not "regardless of national descent." You pompous hypocritical windbag. Go fuck yourself, Goebbels.

ha, now go back to this post you stupid, virginal gamer-fag:

"i discriminate based on the fact that thier parents came here to abuse the system.

we already have nationalized IDIOT citizens doing the same. we don't need anymore."

or the others in which i CLEARLY stated my disdain for american citizens who engage in the same welfare abuse.

you cherry picking geek.
do you finger your mother with those dirty typing digits?

[Ace42X]

or the others in which i CLEARLY stated my disdain for american citizens who engage in the same welfare abuse.

In the same breath where you CLEARLY stated that Americans with white trash parents are entitled to free schooling because you consider their heritage "more American", but Americans with illegal immigrant parents are not entitled to the same, even though their social contributions are, for the sake of argument, similar and even though you claim to view them "equally."

Who's back-tracking now, eh? You got owned, face it. You're just lucky that I'm willing to entertain your pitiful attempts at justifying yourself.

[Qdrop]

In the same breath where you CLEARLY stated that Americans with white trash parents are entitled to free schooling because you consider their heritage "more American", but Americans with illegal immigrant parents are not entitled to the same, even though their social contributions are, for the sake of argument, similar and even though you claim to view them "equally."
again, you're trying to ride the "they do it, so why can't illegal immigrants" thing huh?
brain locked up?
poor boy.

one more time: when american parents abuse welfare, it's deplorable.
when illegal immigrant parents abuse welfare, it's deplorable.

we should stop american parents from abusing welfare.
we should stop illegal immigrants from having children here and abusing welfare.

did you get all that?
were you hoping for something that you could more easily spin into racism?

Who's back-tracking now, eh? You got owned, face it. You're just lucky that I'm willing to entertain your pitiful attempts at justifying yourself.

HAhahaha... how can you have owned when you made barely an effort to debate...as i clearly summarized a few posts ago.
your debating skills were on par with a shitty pants, 6 year old arguing about a candy bar in a sandbox.
you're a fuckin hack, cheeks to the wind.

seriously, go back to your video game world.

there, you are king.

here, you have been de-robed.

[Ace42X]

brain locked up?

You're the one pretending there isn't a disparity.

we should stop american parents from abusing welfare.
we should stop illegal immigrants from having children here and abusing welfare.

Heh, and in this gross over-simplification, you instantly shrug off everything you have said. It *is* convenient to pretend you didn't say all those things, isn't it?

So, you're all for welfare abusing mexicans being "stopped from having children there." Presumably you "should stop wellfare abusing american parents from having children there" Hmmm? Sterilisation ahoy, Goebbels? Or deportation to the colonies?

Let us not forget that this "abusing welfare" you speak of is actually you trying to distance yourself from your earlier comments, stating that their children should not be given schooling, that being the best welfare abuse you could come up with. Now, are you saying that you do not think that "american parents who abuse welfare" should have their children removed from free education? Because in your opinion they are "leeches" and "don't deserve it" ? Because that is what your argument amounts to.

I'm guessing that's a "no" for the white trash, "ship 'em back to africa!" for the rest, hmmm?

HAhahaha... how can you have owned when you made barely an effort to debate...as i clearly summarized a few posts ago.

You are right, I have barely made an effort to debate, as I said from the get go, and repeatedly said all the way through. You haven't offered anything TO debate, other than prejudice, xenophobia, and a cut and paste job that would make Valvano proud. There has been *no case to answer*.

If you wanted a sensible well constructed debate, you should've obliged by presenting something worth commenting sensibly on. You not only failed to, but you refused to point blank, repeatedly, when asked. GIGO. What else could you expect?

your debating skills were on par with a shitty pants, 6 year old arguing about a candy bar in a sandbox.

Hah, they were better than yours in this thread, and I didn't have to do anything apart from point out your rampant prejudice and double-standards! There was no "debate" here, there was just me dissecting your half-boiled commentary to point out the inconsistancies. And I suceeded admirably, as your frothy-mouthed flapping, inane diversions and "I'm no racist, you gotta believe me! How dare you suggest such a thing!" rantings proved.

you're a fuckin hack, cheeks to the wind.

Yah, I know, my whole aim in this thread was to put as little effort into my replies as possible, whilst giving you enough rope to hang yourself. And it worked! You look like a biggoted racist right-wing cunt, and are deluded into thinking that I am "de-robed" while everyone else tut-tuts.

And all because you couldn't be bothered to do a little groundwork and provide reasonable sources. Heh.

[cosmo105]

*shakes maracas*

my dad was an illegal at one point LOL!

[ASsman]

*shakes maracas*

my dad was an illegal at one point LOL!
You are officialy disqualified. Come back when you are a white and american, 100%USDA.

[cosmo105]

hey man, on my mom's side i'm a descendant of honkeys that emigrated - i mean, came over on the friggin' MAYFLOWER! don't MAKE me pull out our family tree. if that ain't 'merican, i don't know what is!

[ASsman]

hey man, on my mom's side i'm a descendant of honkeys that emigrated - i mean, came over on the friggin' MAYFLOWER! don't MAKE me pull out our family tree. if that ain't 'merican, i don't know what is!
Dirty immigrant.

[cosmo105]

uh, well, also on my mom's side i'm a member of the Cherokee Nation. okay, so my grandparents recently sold their reservation land, and i never actually got around to getting my card or membership, BUT I COULD!


and my grandma's a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution. which i find hilarious, considering her political leanings.

SEE? 'MERICAN!

[buddylee]

Too who think think this is the 7th grade and that typing and spelling counts.

I only have partial use of my left hand witch I am left handed.

On a side note anyone how still lives with mom and dad . I sneeze out more life skill then you yet to acquire

[Ace42X]

Too who think think this is the 7th grade and that typing and spelling counts.

Because life is sub-seventh-grade level? Explains a lot.

I only have partial use of my left hand witch I am left handed.

Perhaps you should put your dick down before you try typing then?

I sneeze out more life skill then you yet to acquire

That explains where your braincells have been disappearing to then...

[Qdrop]

Heh, and in this gross over-simplification, you instantly shrug off everything you have said. It *is* convenient to pretend you didn't say all those things, isn't it? ha, not in the slightest.
my past posts are there for all to see.

your delusional and PAINFULLY TRANSPARENT attempts to spin them into something entirely differant would make any GOP lapdog proud.

i never figured you for a politician.
i won't make that mistake again....

So, you're all for welfare abusing mexicans being "stopped from having children there." yeah, by stopping illegals from getting here. what a concept.

Presumably you "should stop wellfare abusing american parents from having children there" yeah, by cutting off welfare without work.
worked for my sister-in-law.
she was complacent to sit around collecting checks for her 4 small children, till Uncle Sam said "get to work or we cut you off".
she's back to 40 hours a week.


Let us not forget that this "abusing welfare" you speak of is actually you trying to distance yourself from your earlier comments, stating that their children should not be given schooling, that being the best welfare abuse you could come up with. oh, is that what i said? are you sure i didn't say something about killing all the brown babies, or gassing some jews? i'm sure it must be in there somewhere...since your allusions are always based on in-print fact and NEVER on fantastical spin and supposition. oh no. no history of that from you.

please quote exactly what comments you speak of.
then i will plainly show how you are twisting and taking out of context.
and you will again look like a de-robed hack who should probably go back to his faggoty dragonballZ fagfest or whatever...

Now, are you saying that you do not think that "american parents who abuse welfare" should have their children removed from free education? Because in your opinion they are "leeches" and "don't deserve it" ? Because that is what your argument amounts to. another whole debate all-together. let's stay on topic.
of course, 2 posts from now, you'll use that as "evidence" that i PLAINLY think welfare kids should be gassed and served to horses.

I'm guessing that's a "no" for the white trash, "ship 'em back to africa!" for the rest, hmmm? yeah, jesse jackson...continue with your pathetic "shakedown".


You are right, I have barely made an effort to debate no fuckin shit. you can stop right there.

If you wanted a sensible well constructed debate, you should've obliged by presenting something worth commenting sensibly on. You not only failed to, but you refused to point blank, repeatedly, when asked. GIGO. What else could you expect?
uh huh.
you were unprepared, ill-informed...and you rushed your tactics.
you were transparent....you left a clear trail of connect-the-strawman spin dots.
but you can hopefully hide all that by getting people to think i'm a racist who feeds mexican babies to my pitbulls.
oh, you'd make Karl Rove blush.

why not just call me a terrorist?


Hah, they were better than yours in this thread, and I didn't have to do anything apart from [falsify] rampant prejudice and double-standards!

Yah, I know, my whole aim in this thread was to put as little effort into my replies as possible, whilst giving you enough rope to hang yourself. And it worked! You look like a biggoted racist right-wing cunt, and are deluded into thinking that I am "de-robed" while everyone else tut-tuts. yeah, ace.
they're lining up to felate you right now.
just look at them all.

[Ace42X]

Translation: "Ace 0wn3d me, but if I keep bullshitting long enough, I won't have to accept it."

Face it, you got served. You can keep typing all day, doesn't change the fact that you appear foolish in the eyes of others, and they view you with more scorn and derision than they did previously. Not, in itself, an easy task.

[Qdrop]

Translation: "Ace 0wn3d me, but if I keep bullshitting long enough, I won't have to accept it."

Face it, you got served. You can keep typing all day, doesn't change the fact that you appear foolish in the eyes of others, and they view you with more scorn and derision than they did previously. Not, in itself, an easy task.

like i said...just look at them line up to deep throat you.
you delusional mamma's boy.

sometimes i have to stop and give pause to the fact that i'm arguing with a spoiled rich bitch who (at 23) still lives off mum and dad's coin, while waxing philosophical on life views and social topics of which he barely has a shred of experiance short of Wilkepedia and IRC gamer chats.

i think your mum's calling you for dinner.

[Ace42X]

sometimes i have stop and give pause to the fact that i'm arguing with a spoiled rich bitch who (at 23) still lives off mum and dad's coin, while waxing philosophical on life views and social topics of which he barely has a shred of experiance short of Wilkepedia and IRC gamer chats.


Sometimes I have to stop and give pause to the fact that you often have no idea who and what you are talking about. Not for very long, obviously, otherwise I'd never have time to reply to your 2-bit psychoanalysis and posturing.

[Qdrop]

Sometimes I have to stop and give pause to the fact that you often have no idea who and what you are talking about. Not for very long, obviously, otherwise I'd never have time to reply to your 2-bit psychoanalysis and posturing.

your mom is NOT going to tell you again....IT'S TIME FOR SUPPER! NOW GET DOWN THERE! DON'T MAKE HER TAKE AWAY YOUR VIDEOGAMES AGAIN....

[Ace42X]

your mom is NOT going to tell you again....IT'S TIME FOR SUPPER! NOW GET DOWN THERE! DON'T MAKE HER TAKE AWAY YOUR VIDEOGAMES AGAIN....

Yah, while you are desperately trying to claw back some dignity, I am banging your speckled ginger-haired bog-trotting slut. Go me!

[Qdrop]

Yah, while you are desperately trying to claw back some dignity, I am banging your speckled ginger-haired bog-trotting slut. Go me!

you wouldn't know what to do with her, virgin.

you'd probably challenge her to a game of dragonballZ...

"I GET THE GREEN CONTROLLER!!"

[Ace42X]

you wouldn't know what to do with her, virgin.

That's prolly why I ended up fucking her in the ass. Must've been doing something right though, she kept saying I was better than you'd ever be.

[Qdrop]

That's prolly why I ended up fucking her in the ass. Must've been doing something right though, she kept saying I was better than you'd ever be.

ha, silly Ace.
you're little 4 inch virgin stick would go limp as a noodle the first time you saw a vigina that wasn't blown up to 1024 x 768 resolution.


Ace, you haven't scored a point all day, and now you're treading into an area where you are seriously out-armed.
but if you wanna keep it flying....i'm game.

[Ace42X]

you're little 4 inch virgin stick

Is that what she told you? She must be trying to protect your feelings. It's kinda sweet how she pities you.

Ace, you haven't scored a point all day,

What would you know about it? I've out-retorted you every step of the way. You seem to think you have done something other than come across as a complete loser here. Clearly, your opinions on the matter aren't worth the bandwidth they are transmitted across.

[Qdrop]

man you always drag everything down the lowest denominator.

the immigration debate just turned into you flagrantly trying to demonize me rather than address any of the documented reports or data i posted....

and now our fun little flame war is hitting the dust with your regressing "i fucked your girlfriend" comments.
do you have anything else other than "i fucked your girlfriend?"


have you no wit to speak off?

here, i'll go again....
the 2 people on this board who have had contact with you (in person or on private chat) gave me enough personal info to run for days...
where should i start?

you inability to look people in the eyes...
i dunno...
wait, that's mean....unfair advantage on my part.

okay.
you're peter pan complex. how about that?
23 and still live with your parents.
no career? no girlfriend.
lot's of videogames and flamefests on message boards?

by this rate, you'll touch a non-family members boob by...oh....32?

[Ace42X]

It is ironic, because all I am doing is mirroring precisely the sort of crap you are coming out with. It's funny how me replying to your clichés with substantially *better* clichés is somehow perceived as "inferior" by you.

And by funny, I mean sad, because it just goes to show how incredibly self-satisfied you are, when really you have very little to be self-satisfied about, given your pisspoor performance in this thread.

[Qdrop]

It is ironic, because all I am doing is mirroring precisely the sort of crap you are coming out with. It's funny how me replying to your clichés with substantially *better* clichés is somehow perceived as "inferior" by you.

And by funny, I mean sad, because it just goes to show how incredibly self-satisfied you are, when really you have very little to be self-satisfied about, given your pisspoor performance in this thread.

you're skirting the Peter Pan issue.
let's talk about this...

[Ace42X]

You thought it merited attention? Hah. :rolleyes:

[Qdrop]

You thought it merited attention? Hah. :rolleyes:
is this how you talk to you parents when THEY bring this up?

you children. no respect these days.

seriously. do your parents have any qualms about about being your age and being unemployed, living with them, a virgin, and obsesed with videogames?

i mean, you're a walking punchline.
thousands of stane-up jokes have been fashioned around your lifestyle.

you're a human caricature.
how long can you bury your face in videogames and masturbation before the Paxil stops working?

[Ace42X]

Keep flogging that horse, Q. It might start moving if you do it long enough.

[Qdrop]

Keep flogging that horse, Q. It might start moving if you do it long enough.

ha, ironic to hear YOU say that.

but alas, any moment now an admin. is gonna tell us to take it to PM's...

till next time, peter pan...

[Ace42X]

Sure thing, Sigmund Holmes.

[buddylee]

you wouldn't know what to do with her, virgin.

you'd probably challenge her to a game of dragonballZ...

"I GET THE GREEN CONTROLLER!!"


a true classic line ,

[Ace42X]

a true classic line ,

Really? To me it just looked like he picked up on a random thing I said in this thread, and tried in vain to poke fun at it out of sheer desperation. But you know what they say, simple things please simple minds.

[Randetica]

you inability to look people in the eyes...
i dunno...
wait, that's mean....unfair advantage on my part.

okay.
you're peter pan complex. how about that?
23 and still live with your parents.
no career? no girlfriend.
lot's of videogames and flamefests on message boards?


that just sounds hot

[drizl]

all this fumagating is going nowhere, i've had enough of this post. im out.





cunnilingus rice! we might be winnin the war against al qaeda, but we're losing the war to al sharpton!