THE VIDEO PROVING FLIGHT 77 CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON!!!

[drizl]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml

so i was listening to NPR on the way to work yesterday, and the lady said that judicial watch had recieved a video of flight 77 impacting the pentagon on september 11th, which would put to rest all 'conspiracy theories' that anything other than a boeing 757 hit the pentagon.

first, here's the official judicial watch mission:
"Judicial Watch a non-partisan, educational foundation organized under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue code. Judicial Watch is dedicated to fighting government and judicial corruption and promoting a return to ethics and morality in our nation's public life."

second, who funds judicial watch (http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipientgrants.php?recipientID=1122)?
"Judicial Watch is essentially a tool of Richard Mellon Scaife (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/04/27/scaife.profile/), who provides almost all its funding."

SO, this asshole's supposed "educational foundation...promoting a return to ethics and morality in our nations public life" non-profit company, which recieves over 8 million dollars in right-wing grant money receives this video, which his company judicial watch claims:

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

this is another smoke screen, brought to the attention of the public, and made news on almost all media outlets as finally laying to rest conspiracy all conspiracy theories pertaining to the impact of flight 77!

did you watch the video? did you see a boeing 757 hit the pentagon? IT MUST BE NOTED, that on that day there were a number of other security cameras, which would have had an even better angle of the incident, and which would have captured in high detail the event: one was the nearby sheraton hotel, another was a nearby gas station, and another a department of transportation (which by far had the best angle)...ALL OF WHICH were confiscated by the FBI within an hour of the attacks.

one last thing. somehow, although the entire plane was vaporized due to the impact, 184 out of 189 passengers were identified. how can this be? how could we identify these people, but have almost NO evidence of the boeing?
oh, there is so much more. if anyone wants to contribute, i hope you bring to light more info. if we need another thread as to the events in pennsylvania and the controlled demolition of WTC towers and building 7, we can do that too....in time, i will probably be so pissed, as to be compelled to do so myself.

[hardnox71]

Why do we need to see a video to prove that this happened? As if the big hole in the Pentagon and a plane with 180-some odd missing people wasn't proof enough.

[The Notorious LOL]

controlled demolition of WTC towers



haha okay dude. I dont doubt there was some prior government knowledge but give me a break. Some of these paranoid 9/11 theories are so left field it amazes me anyone utters them aloud, let alone believes them.

[ILLMIX]

that video doesnt even look like a plane at all, its looks like a misile. It make it look like someone fired a Misile into the Pentagon.

[Qdrop]

hey, 2002 called...it wants its obsolete, long-debunked tin-hat theories back.

here's 2 of about 500 sites that have smashed every ignorant tin-hat theory out there:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon.html

oh and:

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=66176

[Qdrop]

and try checking out Judicial Watch for yourself...

wherever they get thier funding, you can click through that site and see them trashing on democrats AND republicans.
they blow the whistle on EVERYBODY (yes, including the Clintons).

[drizl]

haha okay dude. I dont doubt there was some prior government knowledge but give me a break. Some of these paranoid 9/11 theories are so left field it amazes me anyone utters them aloud, let alone believes them.

there are lots of theories out there...some have evidence that back them up, otehrs dont. some are made to further mislead the public. some are made to place blame on arab people and used as pretext to war.

[Qdrop]

there are lots of theories out there...some have evidence that back them up, otehrs dont. some are made to further mislead the public. some are made to place blame on arab people and used as pretext to war.

so novel and original.

what a patriot.

[drizl]

Why do we need to see a video to prove that this happened? As if the big hole in the Pentagon and a plane with 180-some odd missing people wasn't proof enough.


if you look at the evidence, and as many other researchers have noted, the hole in the pentagon is very strange. firstly, it is said that the plane hit the ground first before slamming into the pentagon. there were NO skid marks on the front lawn of the pentagon. secondly, the size of the plane is completely inconsistent with the actually damage done to the building. there was only a 16 ft diameter hole in the pentagon (until the side of the building collapsed), compared to a plane that is way bigger. because there was no skid marks on the lawn it means that the plane would have had to hit the building at a slight angle which would have sent sections of the tail over the building. instead, the plane hit dead on just above the ground, and made a hole through all three of the rings in the pentagon, over 9 ft of concrete. but, the only discernable evidence was a peice of the airplanes metal skin outside, and a large peice of one engine, charred, which doesnt even match the type of engine found on that type of aircraft. it has however, been identified as an A 3 skywarriors engine. if the plane crashed through 9 ft of concrete, there would have been more physical evidence of the plane instead of a few stray peices. furthermore, if the plane was incinerated, vaporised or whatever, it would have been the first time in history that a plane had "vaporised" on impact. the heat of the explosion, the temperature at which jet fuel burns wouldnt melt titanium (which many parts of a boeing 757 are made of) unless it was exposed to those those temperatures for several hours.
why wasnt this plane shot down? the pentagon, and much of washington DC has several high tech, state of the art anti aircraft missiles, radar sites, and of course NORAD would have seen the planes and the air force would have scrambled to intercept this plane... it was well known that it was a hijacked aircraft by the time it was in washington's airspace. well, there were conveniently scheduled drills which sent most of our air force into canada in a mock "russian threat" mission. this left 12 air force jets to defend the country. 3 of them were in virginia, within distance of intercepting both flight 93 and 77. but the day before they were moved 200 miles south for a training mission . also, shortly before this happened ( less than 6 months) president bush signed new protocol, which ordered that any action to be taken in the event of hijacked aircraft or air threat be put through the secretary of defense, donald rumsfeld for authorization before fighters were scrambled. rumsfeld gave no such orders that day. and left the country parilized for all three planes to strike their targets.

also, the pilot of the supposed aircraft that hit the pentagon, participated in a training excersize/study which simulated a 757 hitting the pentagon. soon after, he retired from his service and took up a job flying for american airlines.

i gotta run...

[drizl]

well, im certainly more patriotic than you qdrop

[QueenAdrock]

that video doesnt even look like a plane at all, its looks like a misile. It make it look like someone fired a Misile into the Pentagon.

Yeah, the video does look like a missile. And I live in the suburbs of DC, and in the weeks following 9/11 I do remember it looking very odd. It looked like a clean hit, punched through several of the walls. If I hadn't have known it was a plane that crashed into the pentagon, I never would have guessed. :confused:

[Rich Cheney]

A plane is a missle with wings.

[drizl]

there is a lot of truth out there, its just not what we are fed by our government. there are many sources, many researchers, and many coincidences which point in plain sight, towards a highly complex terrorist event done with military precision. based on all the evidence i have seen, and from the suspicious way in which the government has acted in response to this event, i believe there is no way that these attacks could have been carried out by osama bin laden, or any such terrorist cell such as al qaeda is capable of.
rober fisks book, the war for civilization paints a very interesting picture of osama bin laden. it is interesting to note that bin laden, and most all "terrorist organizations" claim proudly, loud and clear about their successful operations. al qaeda and osama bin laden have never claimed such responsibility, and in fact, osama, al qaeda and the taliban all said that they were not responsible and that they were not involved. the only "proof" that we have, which incriminates bin laden, is a video we suppsoedly found in a house in jalalabad which obviously isnt bin laden.
1. bin laden is left handed, in the video, the supposed bin laden is writing with his right hand.
2.supposed bin laden is wearing a gold ring, which is forbidden by islamic law and he wouldnt wear one.
3.his face doesnt even match up to that of bin ladens. his nose is much smaller.
4.the audio is terrible so we cannot conclude that it is even his voice.

[drizl]

Yeah, the video does look like a missile. And I live in the suburbs of DC, and in the weeks following 9/11 I do remember it looking very odd. It looked like a clean hit, punched through several of the walls. If I hadn't have known it was a plane that crashed into the pentagon, I never would have guessed. :confused:

if you look at the crash sites of both flight 93 (shanksville penn.) and flight 77 (pentagon) you see very little debris. the coronor for the county in which flight 93 crashed is a very serious skeptic of the official 911 story. as coroner, he was one of the first on the crash scene, he was responsible for bagging the bodies and later, for declaring cause of death and identity. he never saw a single body, not a drop of blood, and says of the actual crash site, (echoed by many who were first on the scene before FBI took over) that it looks like someone dug or blew up a big hole and through garbage into it. This being the second "vaporization" of a plane in aviation history, somehow bodies were identified although there was almost no wreckage.

ALSO, it was reported by the mayor of cincinnati that hijacked flight 93 landed safely at the cincinnatis airport- which was subsequently evacuated completely. everyone had to walk away from the airport, no one was allowed to drive or take any motor vehicle. complete evac.

[roosta]

whilst i dont believe for a second that the US fired a missile at the pentagon then hide an entire plane (surely if they were going to attack themselves, flying a plane into the pentagon themselves would have been easier...) that video didn't prove anything..you can't see anything....

[like2_drink]

that video has always been out, what about the one the f.b.i. confiscated.

911 loosechange has me more convinced it was a missile then this video does that it's a plane.

[Jmoney77]

those videos dont even show anything

[Rich Cheney]

ALSO, it was reported by the mayor of cincinnati that hijacked flight 93 landed safely at the cincinnatis airport- which was subsequently evacuated completely. everyone had to walk away from the airport, no one was allowed to drive or take any motor vehicle. complete evac.

You may want to share that information with the families of those who lost their loved ones on flight 93 . It's one thing to talk shit on the internet; another thing to propose your proposterous beliefs to someone who was directly affected by the tragedies of September 11th face to face.

[QueenAdrock]

Unless they're in on it.

[Freebasser]

^ They're coming to get you now.

[QueenAdrock]

That's okay, I'll just tell them I got my crackpot theory from you FreebieJeebies.

[Documad]

Please, Please, Please, spend your energies and healthy skepticism on something worthwhile. Don't be a tard.

[The Notorious LOL]

its one thing to be skeptical, but its another to extract all sorts of bullshit theories from your skepticism and say they are so.

[Pres Zount]

whilst i dont believe for a second that the US fired a missile at the pentagon then hide an entire plane (surely if they were going to attack themselves, flying a plane into the pentagon themselves would have been easier...) that video didn't prove anything..you can't see anything....

Exactly. I don't believe that it was a missile, but Solid Evidence such as "the big hole in the Pentagon" is idiotic, and just goes to show how easily people will believe what they are told.

That being said, there are equally as idiotic people that will believe anything just becasue it goes against what is being said by the government.

[QueenAdrock]

That being said, there are equally as idiotic people that will believe anything just becasue it goes against what is being said by the government.

It's because of people like you that the rest of society will never find out the truth about Roswell. :mad:

[Whatitis]

If somebody fired a missile into the Pentagon, where did Flight 77 go? A Boeing 757 and passengers can't just disappear, but no trace of the plane or passengers has been found. Where did it go? Was it shot down by an Air Force plane? Which loyal Air Force pilot murdered US citizens? Who loaded the missile? Who cooked the books to cover that a missile had been expended? Why hasn't a single loyal US Air Force member who was involved in this had a change of heart and come forward with real evidence of the plot?

Richard Nixon wasn't able to keep even a dozen of his top-level loyalists in line without one going to the Washington Post, but you claim that somebody has been able to get hundreds - maybe thousands - of people from presidential advisors to jet mechanics to janitors to keep completely silent about mass murder for 4 years. (And don't claim they all just disappeared. That dog won't hunt.) Until you can make that case credibly, as far as I and every intelligent person in the US is concerned, your conspiracy "theory" is nothing more than conspiracy fantasy.

[QueenAdrock]

I always thought that if this theory was to fly, they'd have an experience like the other plane in Pennsylvania. The plane would have just gone down in a field (at this time, the Towers had already been struck, so I wouldn't doubt people on the plane having heard about the terrorist attacks). And the missile was simply a mistake.

I don't see why the Air Force would shoot down the plane, or how that would even begin to work.

[Pres Zount]

If somebody fired a missile into the Pentagon, where did Flight 77 go? A Boeing 757 and passengers can't just disappear, but no trace of the plane or passengers has been found. Where did it go? Was it shot down by an Air Force plane? Which loyal Air Force pilot murdered US citizens? Who loaded the missile? Who cooked the books to cover that a missile had been expended? Why hasn't a single loyal US Air Force member who was involved in this had a change of heart and come forward with real evidence of the plot?

Richard Nixon wasn't able to keep even a dozen of his top-level loyalists in line without one going to the Washington Post, but you claim that somebody has been able to get hundreds - maybe thousands - of people from presidential advisors to jet mechanics to janitors to keep completely silent about mass murder for 4 years. (And don't claim they all just disappeared. That dog won't hunt.) Until you can make that case credibly, as far as I and every intelligent person in the US is concerned, your conspiracy "theory" is nothing more than conspiracy fantasy.

Let's just remember that in cases like this, for X to be false, Y does not have to be true.

[drizl]

You may want to share that information with the families of those who lost their loved ones on flight 93 . It's one thing to talk shit on the internet; another thing to propose your proposterous beliefs to someone who was directly affected by the tragedies of September 11th face to face.


id have no problem with sitting down and talking with anyone about this stuff. i wouldnt just go up to them and impose on them, but in a free forum such as this, i see no issues with bringing things like this up. especially when they are issues which need to be raised.



THIS IS THE ISSUE: all the government needs to do to prove that a plane hit the pentagon (because there is absolutely no proof that one did as of yet) is to release ONE of those videos they confiscated. not a grainy, slow-framed, poor quality video which shows nothing. why would they hide these videos? why would they not release them? what are they hiding? wouldnt they want to release them to shock us more, to make this case for 9-11 that much stronger?

[drizl]

(y) that video has always been out, what about the one the f.b.i. confiscated.

911 loosechange has me more convinced it was a missile then this video does that it's a plane.


loose change...good flick(y)

[drizl]

Please, Please, Please, spend your energies and healthy skepticism on something worthwhile. Don't be a tard.


this is healthy skepticism- its lazy, media brainwashed people who are the issue. and more than that, it is our out of control form of government. globalism/imperialism etc...

[Tzar]

this theory sucks balls; how can the passengers just dissapear off the face of the earth?

are they being paid to hide and pretend to be dead?

[drizl]

If somebody fired a missile into the Pentagon, where did Flight 77 go? A Boeing 757 and passengers can't just disappear, but no trace of the plane or passengers has been found. Where did it go? Was it shot down by an Air Force plane? Which loyal Air Force pilot murdered US citizens? Who loaded the missile? Who cooked the books to cover that a missile had been expended? Why hasn't a single loyal US Air Force member who was involved in this had a change of heart and come forward with real evidence of the plot?


not more than a dozen people have to be in on this. keep in mind that we have the capability to point a laser at something and remotely steer it/guide it to target. keep in mind what exceptional authority the heads of the cia, fbi, and out administration have over the hierarchy. thats how these systems work...hierarchy, bureacracy...need to know basis. if you dont need to know, if they dont want you to know its easy. you give away your rights to speak out against them anyways when you sign on for the job. how many cia heads has bush gone through during his presidency? three? four?

also, these fucks in power....it goes beyond our government. it goes towards international, underthetable governance...bilderbergs, carlyle groups, trilateral commisions etc... there doesnt have to be more than a dozen or so, who would profit immeasurably from such an event.

while we have lost rights, and freedoms, and become more insecure since dubya became president, and since 911, dubya, cheney and all those PNAC, carlyle group, bilderberg fucks have profited. who's being fucked with here?

[drizl]

also, keep in mind the arab who flew that plane with such precision into the pentagon.....couldnt even fly a cessna correctly a few months before the attacks. it is also proven that the manuevers that flight 77 made on its approach to the pentagon are not possible, the plane would have gone into a high speed stall....the object they were tracking on radar, thinking it was flight 77....was not. it was a jet. whether it was a jet- the engine found at the scene matched an A3 skywarrior of which there are only a few left in the country and out dated, would not be missed, and all of them belong to raytheon, a defense contractor full of black budget ops and contracting- or whether it was a missle....it wasnt a 757

[drizl]

this theory sucks balls; how can the passengers just dissapear off the face of the earth?

are they being paid to hide and pretend to be dead?


they were probably taken somewhere and killed. the government has no problem killing 250,000 innocent iraqis for oil...:(

[Tzar]

they were probably taken somewhere and killed. the government has no problem killing 250,000 innocent iraqis for oil...:(
lol

[Tzar]

the main body of a boeing 757 is roughly between 13 and 16 ft in diameter by the way...

[Rich Cheney]

this is healthy skepticism- its lazy, media brainwashed people who are the issue. and more than that, it is our out of control form of government. globalism/imperialism etc...

it's not healthy sketicism, it's blasphemous to toss idiotic theories about something so serious.

[Freebasser]

Richard Nixon wasn't able to keep even a dozen of his top-level loyalists in line without one going to the Washington Post, but you claim that somebody has been able to get hundreds - maybe thousands - of people from presidential advisors to jet mechanics to janitors to keep completely silent about mass murder for 4 years.

(y) (y) (y) (y)

I don't get why people have to come up with these perverse theories.

What, so the idea of Muslim terrorists who are pissed off at America enough to decide to hijack planes and crash them into buildings isn't far-fetched enough of an idea for some people to believe that they have to start creating half-arsed Tom Clancy-esque novels in their heads?

[drizl]

this is what the video should look like:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/170506doctored.gif



show me proof that a 757 hit the building and i give up:D

because right now, there is none.

TZAR: the wingspan is much larger, and engines which weigh over a ton each would have put sizeable holes in the exterior without doubt.

[drizl]

http://infowars.net/articles/may2006/170506Pentagon_videos.htm


pentagon holding 84 other videos from various security cameras and business near the crash site. why dont they just release one of them which shows the plane....its been what 5 years now?

[Tzar]

the word on the street is that the plane hit the deck first and plowed into the pentagon. a plane hitting the ground at 500+km/h would just smashed up anyway ~ wings falling off, debris flying everywhere, wings hold the fuel so there wouldn't be a lot of shrapnel left.

[Rich Cheney]

this is what the video should look like:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/170506doctored.gif



show me proof that a 757 hit the building and i give up:D

because right now, there is none.

TZAR: the wingspan is much larger, and engines which weigh over a ton each would have put sizeable holes in the exterior without doubt.

You do realize that you would need a security camera filming at an extremely high framerate to get the visual you're looking for.
Security cameras are usually fixed at ~60 FPS to adequately handle lowlight scenarios. You'll never get what your looking for.

[drizl]

and all the fuel would have burned off real quick and in that short amount of time, with that amount of fuel, it is physically impossible for an entire plane to be incinerated...oh yeah, and somehow they id'd passengers? what melts quicker a human or a titanium engine?
heres the "deck" that the plane plowed into:
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight77/lawn/lawn.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight77/lawn/pent04.jpg

this is what it looks like when a plane "hits the deck":
http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight77/lawn/fedex_flt1478.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight77/lawn/uadc10_iowa.jpg

http://killtown.911review.org/images/flight77/lawn/pl15.jpg



i'll tell you what is proposterous- believing that a 757 "hit the deck" and slammed into the pentagon

[drizl]

You do realize that you would need a security camera filming at an extremely high framerate to get the visual you're looking for.
Security cameras are usually fixed at ~60 FPS to adequately handle lowlight scenarios. You'll never get what your looking for.


and you do realize that this is the only tape the government released...

why did they choose this one? because of the poor quality? why not choose one that shows the plane???????

[drizl]

so far.....

still no proof that a plane hit the pentagon... i was hoping you skeptics could come up with something...

[Tzar]

still no proof that a plane hit the pentagon... i was hoping you skeptics could come up with something...
the passengers? you have no hard evidence about that.

[Medellia]

this is healthy skepticism- its lazy, media brainwashed people who are the issue. and more than that, it is our out of control form of government. globalism/imperialism etc...
Good lord, it's not being brainwashed. It's called common fucking sense, you idiot. You're giving our goverment far too much credit if you seriously believe this bullshit.

And that's my lone contribution to this thread, because I'm sick and tired off people spouting off these ridiculous theories and don't have the energy or patience to keep going.

[drizl]

the strangest thing, which i have already mentioned several times, is that although the plane "vaporized" they were able to identify human beings.
heres something interesting, NO ARABS WERE ON THE PASSENGER FLIGHT LIST FOR FLIGHT 77! oh yeah, and the bbc, telegraph and independent all have found that something like 14 of the hijackers are still alive????
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm

flight 77 pilot, Charles Burlingame, worked as a navy F4 pilot for many years, took a job a the pentagon where he participated in operation "mascal" (mass casualties) on october 24 2000. this operation simulated a boeing 757 crashing into the pentagon. less than a year later, after retiring from the pentagon and getting a job with american airlines, it was supposedly his plane that flew into the pentagon. coincidence?
my guess is that he flew that plane to a secret location while something else hit the pentagon...


and another interesting photo:
http://portland.indymedia.org/media/images/2006/05/338939.jpg

[drizl]

Good lord, it's not being brainwashed. It's called common fucking sense, you idiot. You're giving our goverment far too much credit if you seriously believe this bullshit.

And that's my lone contribution to this thread, because I'm sick and tired off people spouting off these ridiculous theories and don't have the energy or patience to keep going.

i dont get why im such a fucking idiot...i am bringing logical questions that have not been answered by our government, to the table...and so far not a single one of you haters has provided any evidence to support the fact that an airplane hit the building! whos the idiot!

[Freebasser]

oh yeah, and the bbc, telegraph and independent all have found that something like 14 of the hijackers are still alive????

Something like, huh? Hard facts there. Show us the link to the BBC article that shed light on the miraculous reanimation of the hijackers.

P.S. Elvis is alive. I don't have the proof, but I swear I saw something like it in the Guardian this Tuesday.

[drizl]

heres a boeing 757 (http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/757-info.jpg)

[Freebasser]

^ Strong stuff.

[drizl]

Freebasser, heres one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
BBC - 9/23/01 - Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well. Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September. Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco. 4
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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=94438
'Suicide hijacker' is an airline pilot alive and well in Jeddah - 9/17/01
A man named by the US Department of Justice as a suicide hijacker of American Airlines flight 11 * the first airliner to smash into the World Trade Centre * is very much alive and living in Jeddah. Abdulrahman al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking * as well as being dead * and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_suspects.html
ABC - Who Did It? FBI Links Names to Terror Attacks
"The name [listed by the FBI] is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdulaziz Alomari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
Mr Al-Omari, who was accused of hijacking the American Airlines plane that smashed into the the World Trade Centre's north tower, said that he was at his desk at the Saudi telecommunications authority in Riyadh when the attacks took place.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
BBC - 9/23/01 - Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports. He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver. 5
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http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
The Saudi Airlines pilot, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, 25, and Abdulaziz Al-Omari, an engineer from Riyadh, are furious that the hijackers' "personal details" - including name, place, date of birth and occupation - matched their own.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
BBC - 9/23/01 - Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
Meanwhile, Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi. He was listed by the FBI as a hijacker in the United flight that crashed in Pennsylvania. 6
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http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon. He said: "I have never been to the United States and have not been out of Saudi Arabia in the past two years." The FBI described him as 21 and said that his possible residences were Fort Lee or Wayne, both in New Jersey. 7
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http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
Mr Al-Nami, 33, from Riyadh, an administrative supervisor with Saudi Arabian Airlines, said that he was in Riyadh when the terrorists struck. He said: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." 8
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/investigation.terrorism/index.html
CNN - FBI: Early probe results show 18 hijackers took part 9/13/01
Based on information from multiple law enforcement sources, CNN reported that Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari of Vero Beach Florida, were suspected to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World Trade Center. CNN later learned that Adnan Bukhari is still in Florida, where he was questioned by the FBI. We are sorry for the misinformation. A federal law enforcement source now tells CNN that Bukhari passed an FBI polygraph and is not considered a suspect. Through his attorney, Bukhari says that he is helping authorities. Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash last year.

Some of those involved in the plot left suicide notes, but they are not believed to have been the hijackers, a government source told The Associated Press. It was unclear whether those who left the notes actually killed themselves. 9
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Cairo Times - 9/27/01
He also claimed that his son had called him two days after the attack, and described it as "a normal conversation." But he snarled when asked to give further details. Asked what country Muhammad had called from, he said, "The name of the country isn't written on the phone." Asked where Muhammad was now, he said, "Ask Mossad."

order Mohamed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus, the real story of the Hijackers
Video shows Atta was not suicidal, as he pays bills and returns rentals. 10
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-092101probe.story
Los Angeles Times - 9/21/01
A man by the same name is a pilot, whose father is a Saudi diplomat in Bombay. "I personally talked to both father and son today," said Gaafar Allagany, head of the Saudi Embassy's information center. 11
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Saudi Gazette 9/18/01 and The Khaleej Times 9/20/01
Marwan al-Shehhi is still alive in Morocco

[drizl]

they id'd 184 out of the 189 passengers. wow...pretty interesting

[Freebasser]

Firstly, may I congratulate you on not resorting to name calling like so many people who love to 'debate' do on here. It's appreciated (y).

Secondly, one of those links mentioned a stolen passport. Is it not plausible that the people responsible for piecing together the events of this whole thing merely made mistakes about the hijackers' identities because of forged documents or whatnot?

[drizl]

sure, totally possible...im sorry i hurt your feelings...i see your pretty sensitive. i'll take that into consideration. i dont hold anything against anyone for believing what the government tells them. i totally understand it. but at this point it is really causing a lot of problems for innocent people worldwide. 250,000 innocent iraqis. hundreds of illegally imprisoned at guantanamo and who knows what other secret bases our military has...it is our fault, as citizens of this country for not seeking answers, for not asking questions. for accepting what we are told by those who constantly are manipulating intelligence and feeding it to us.
it is our fault those people are dying, because we are putting up with being lied to, and we are letting our government destroy peoples lives.

[drizl]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A14365-2001Sep11

"On the ground, air traffic controllers watching Flight 77's progress westward suddenly lost touch with the plane, which disappeared from radar screens andcut off radio contact.

Someone on board Flight 77 had flipped off the transponder, the device that sends a plane's airline identification, flight number, speed and altitude to controllers' radar screens.

But soon after losing contact, Dulles controllers spotted an unidentified aircraft speeding directly toward the restricted airspace that surrounds the White House. Federal aviation sources said Dulles controllers noticed the fast-moving craft east-southeast of Dulles and called controllers at Reagan National Airport to report that an unauthorized plane was coming their way.

Controllers had time to warn the White House that the jet was aimed directly at the president's mansion and was traveling at a gut-wrenching speed -- full throttle.

But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said.

maneuvers impossible for a 757 at that speed....

[Qdrop]

Okay, Drizl...prepare to get your E-ass torn open, you half-wit tin hat fuck.

read and learn:

if you look at the evidence, and as many other researchers have noted, the hole in the pentagon is very strange. firstly, it is said that the plane hit the ground first before slamming into the pentagon. all eyewitnesses said it hit the heli-pad first..NOT the lawn.

secondly, the size of the plane is completely inconsistent with the actually damage done to the building. there was only a 16 ft diameter hole in the pentagon (until the side of the building collapsed), compared to a plane that is way bigger.

completely wrong. this is what happens when you get your info from bloggers and gossip.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y

"When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage."


[QUOTE]because there was no skid marks on the lawn it hit the helipad
it means that the plane would have had to hit the building at a slight angle which would have sent sections of the tail over the building. instead, the plane hit dead on just above the ground, and made a hole through all three of the rings in the pentagon, over 9 ft of concrete. but, the only discernable evidence was a peice of the airplanes metal skin outside, and a large peice of one engine, charred, which doesnt even match the type of engine found on that type of aircraft. again. you are completely wrong and incongruent to the factual evidence:

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html
^ dumb ass.

and:

"Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

and about body identification (DNA):
http://www.911myths.com/html/bodies_identified.html


it has however, been identified as an A 3 skywarriors engine.
a complete lie. WHERE are you getting this shit from?


why wasnt this plane shot down? the pentagon, and much of washington DC has several high tech, state of the art anti aircraft missiles, radar sites, and of course NORAD would have seen the planes and the air force would have scrambled to intercept this plane... it was well known that it was a hijacked aircraft by the time it was in washington's airspace.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!

"Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them."

also:
"In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=3&c=y


well, there were conveniently scheduled drills which sent most of our air force into canada in a mock "russian threat" mission.
really? show me your source on this...

this left 12 air force jets to defend the country. 3 of them were in virginia, within distance of intercepting both flight 93 and 77. but the day before they were moved 200 miles south for a training mission . also, shortly before this happened ( less than 6 months) president bush signed new protocol, which ordered that any action to be taken in the event of hijacked aircraft or air threat be put through the secretary of defense, donald rumsfeld for authorization before fighters were scrambled. rumsfeld gave no such orders that day. and left the country parilized for all three planes to strike their targets. hahah.... again, source?

also, the pilot of the supposed aircraft that hit the pentagon, participated in a training excersize/study which simulated a 757 hitting the pentagon. soon after, he retired from his service and took up a job flying for american airlines. and santa clause is in my basement.
don't ask me to prove it.

[Qdrop]

well, im certainly more patriotic than you qdrop

yeah, concocting and swallowing half-wit lies in the face of hard evidence just for the excitement is truly the mark of real patriot.

[Qdrop]

1. bin laden is left handed, in the video, the supposed bin laden is writing with his right hand.
2.supposed bin laden is wearing a gold ring, which is forbidden by islamic law and he wouldnt wear one.
3.his face doesnt even match up to that of bin ladens. his nose is much smaller.
4.the audio is terrible so we cannot conclude that it is even his voice.

jesus, do you verify ANY of your fuckin info?

http://www.911myths.com/html/fake_video.html

http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_right_handed_.html

http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_and_the_ring.html

idiot.

[Qdrop]

if you look at the crash sites of both flight 93 (shanksville penn.) and flight 77 (pentagon) you see very little debris. the coronor for the county in which flight 93 crashed is a very serious skeptic of the official 911 story. as coroner, he was one of the first on the crash scene, he was responsible for bagging the bodies and later, for declaring cause of death and identity. he never saw a single body, not a drop of blood, and says of the actual crash site, (echoed by many who were first on the scene before FBI took over) that it looks like someone dug or blew up a big hole and through garbage into it. This being the second "vaporization" of a plane in aviation history, somehow bodies were identified although there was almost no wreckage.

http://www.911myths.com/html/there_was_no_plane.html

ALSO, it was reported by the mayor of cincinnati that hijacked flight 93 landed safely at the cincinnatis airport- which was subsequently evacuated completely. everyone had to walk away from the airport, no one was allowed to drive or take any motor vehicle. complete evac.
uh...or maybe it was cleveland?
http://www.911myths.com/html/93_landed_in_cleveland.html

[Qdrop]

this is healthy skepticism- its lazy, media brainwashed people who are the issue.

ha. virtually every theory or "fact" you've presented is completely false and without merit...yet you showed no attempt to verify or corraberate them before swallowing them down like candy.

who's the brainwashed one?

[Qdrop]

keep in mind that we have the capability to point a laser at something and remotely steer it/guide it to target.

umm...not really.
still got that LATENCY issue:

http://www.911myths.com/html/remote_control.html

"Maybe the planes were modified to be remote controlled. After all, America has remote controlled planes like the Predator and Global Hawk, so why couldn’t the technology be applied here?

Some people point to the planes final movements as indications of remote control. They talk about last minute corrections as planes flew into the WTC, or the difficulty of flying low-level into the Pentagon, as being far beyond the capabilities of the inexperienced hijackers. So is this really plausible?

Problem #1 is the major modifications that would be necessary to the plane, and the control system. You’d need some form of feedback to show the “remote controller” what was going on, perhaps several cameras, then a transmission system to send that fedback, and receive commands. All to be achieved without anyone noticing.

But that’s only the first issue. Consider this press conference reply from American General Ronald Keys:

Q: Referencing the E-10, if we can control a Predator from Nevada, why do we need to put a battle staff airborne in the E-10?

General Keys: Well, you can control them, but for example, we missed shooting down a MiG-25 during the war because of the latency in the system. We had the Hellfire-armed Predator up and the MiG-25 was coming in to intercept and we had him locked up, but by the time we had fired the missile, he had started his turn and so he broke lock. The reason was there's about a several second delay in the latency.
http://www.afa.org/Media/scripts/Keys_AWS05.asp

The “latency” the General refers to here is the delay any remote controlled plane faces. To take an example of flying into the Pentagon, what would happen if you appear to be coming in too low? First, there would be a delay while the cameras on board the plane processed the image. There’s then a delay while the image is transmitted, and another while it’s displayed to the remote pilot. There’s a natural delay while he reacts to the situation, then another in transmitting his commands back to the plane, and another while it adjusts the control surfaces accordingly.

How long is this delay, in total? The general says “several” seconds, and that’s based on current technology, not anything available in 2001. But let’s be generous, and say the latency adds just an extra two seconds to a pilots response time. What does that mean for the 9/11 flights?

A little math begins to make it clear. At a flight speed of 500 mph, say, our planes would be covering 733.33 feet per second. In other words, even on our generously low estimate, they would fly 1466.33 feet, heading for a third of a mile, before they could possibly even begin react to anything the remote pilot has seen. Any sudden reactions in the final fraction of a second, as has been claimed at the WTC, just don’t look possible by remote control. In fact, they more than anything indicate the presence of a real, live pilot flying the aircraft."

you are, once again, full of shit drizl.

[YoungRemy]

you fucking moronic conspiracy theorists, you need to have your heads examined...

first of all, if you doubt flight 93, I have a coworker who lost his brother on that flight... do a little research before you cut and paste this garbage...

go ahead look him up. Jeremy Glick... He died to save hundreds more... his wife described their last phone conversation ever.

go ahead and try to tell me 3000 lives were lost in vain and dont give me some bullshit 250,000 Iraqis died sob story... we are not talking about Iraq, we are not talking about George Bush, and we are not going to spin this into some political conspiracy form the government down...

you fucking idiots, where the fuck were you on 9/11...

[Lex Diamonds]

hey, 2002 called...it wants its obsolete, long-debunked tin-hat theories back.
Haha, that was a pretty good one. (y)

[Junker]

The "Alien Mind Control" TM was the responsible for those attacks.

[Rich Cheney]

and the 1993 wtc attack was also conspired by the us govt, as a pretext for operation desert storm, although the time macine was misconfigured. therefore it was not as successful as 9/11. the 6 serving life sentences are not muslim extremist but innocent cabbies.

[drizl]

jesus, do you verify ANY of your fuckin info?

http://www.911myths.com/html/fake_video.html

http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_right_handed_.html

http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_and_the_ring.html

idiot.


ok....i see the gold ring, and i see that picture with osama writing....although that might not even be him. if it is, then the FBI made a mistake in saying he was left handed- which would be pretty ridiculous- you would think the FBI would know.

LOOK AT THE VIDEO- its not even his face! that man in the video is more heavy set, not as tall, and his face is fatter. his nose is shorter and wider. he is not at all osama bin laden.

[drizl]

Q DROP you use the same stupid peice of shit source which references nothing itself! it just points to other sources which have eyewitness accounts and which actually made the news! and your website just tries to discredit each one! you call me brainwashed, but you are clearly the victim of a disinformation campaign put out by someone with vested interests!

fuck you buddy

[The Notorious LOL]

I do think that heavy set video with Bin Laden was fake. Strangely the media stopped mentioning it after playing it once or twice.

[Whatitis]

you are clearly the victim of a disinformation campaign put out by someone with vested interests!

You might want to re-examine the above quote with the shit you're spewing.

[The Notorious LOL]

I think drizls intentions are good to at least look at all of it with an open eye rather than just accepting the offical report at face value, but he does the same thing on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.


Do I think it was a government carried out mission? Nope.


Were the planes flown by hijackers? Yep.


Was it a terrorist attack or did muslim fundamentalism become the catalyst? Given how we have sort of toyed with the middle east and change sides over who our allies are, it makes sense that they would hate us.

[drizl]

before you label anyone a conspiracy theorist, do a little research yourself. read history. OBSERVE that throughout the history of civilization, governments and power structures have inflicted terror upon their own people, and used other methods of distraction and manipulation to sway public opinion and cause fear.

since i am the only one here fighting for these questions that are raised- which dissapoints me a little, it looks like i am up against several people who have not presented a valid source of credible evidence.

WHY HAS THE GOVERNMENT NOT RELEASED ANY VIDEOS OF FLIGHT 77 HITTING THE PENTAGON. id like to know what your answer is.

i am confident in my belief of what happened that day. here it is:

firstly you have a president who stole the election, didnt even get elected, got put into office by his daddy's friends at the supreme court. the bush family, a "royal family" with ties to many elite rich bastards, including the bin laden empire, gets into office just in time for this to happen. In the 90's PNAC, project for a new american century, whose listed members include rumsfeld, colon powell, paul wolfowitz, rove and bush family, lays out a plan for 2000, stating that the us needs to reshape the middle east, and that for this to happen, we might need something catastrophic such as a "new pearl harbor". not the first time insiders conspired to do such a thing- see northwoods document.
it happens....i have already stated the coincidences of NORADS training excersizes, Rumsfelds control of the fighter response, which paralyzed the countries defense. the planes hit the towers, which are demolished soon after because it is too costly to deal with otherwise. silverstein, owner of the WTC site makes BANK. insider trading on american united and boeing days before the attacks hints at prior knowledge of impending attacks. several special people are told not to fly that day. WTC 7 which was an interesting situation in itself, apparently collapses on its own, some say by fire from one of the airplane parts crashing in to the building. if thats the case, third time in history an entire building was brought down by fire- the other two are the other two towers. clearly demolished. all three towers. just look for yourself. dont be so quick to judge.

you have many many many eyewitness accounts by firefighters, news media, civilians, military, security, workers, janitors, of exploisions happening in the basements. you have molten metal several weeks afterwards in the basement. you have seismographs indicating magnitude 2 earthquakes underneath the trade centers just prior to their collapse- explosive devices meant to shake from the bottom up, weakening its main core structure. you have proof that jet fuel could not have caused the steel to collapse. you have evidence of demolition style bombs going off all over the building prior to its collapse.
where did all the evidence go? we werent allowed to see it...we saw what happened, a plane crashed into the building and it fell down, arabs did it. why do we need to study it? well, its all off in various scrap yards all over asia right now, and we will never be able to find any physical evidence of explosives or any such thing. billions of dollars were stored under the trade centers...it dissapeared too..wait, something like 230 million was recovered. small sum.
pentagon struck with a cruise missle or unmanned jet. flight 93- they needed a hero story to rally up further patriotism. red white and blue these colors dont run bullshit. i dont care what any of you have to say about family members this and that. just because you lose someone in a terrorist plane crash doesnt mean i have to shut up and not ask questions...its not about respect, its about fiding answers to that which has been left unanswered. those families are suffering whether or not it was an inside job or a terrorist incident. who cares what the cause is, its their suffering, so dont feed me that bullshit.
who knows what happened to flights 77 and 93, and the passengers. but i wouldnt put it by some sick power hungry war mongers to dispose of them.


then what happens. days later, PATRIOT ACT, HOMELAND SECURITY...these bills were literally thrown on to the desks of senators and congress people. they had no time to read them! they obviously prepared well in advance of the attacks, just waiting for the opportune time to be implemented. if you didnt sign them, you were unpatriotic and it was the wrong time to be unpatriotic.

then we attack afghanistan...which the taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. killed tens of thousands of innocent. then iraq. if our government lies so easily about iraq, how can we believe their 911 story so easily! now we have iraq and afghanistan over 300,000 innocent civilians from these countries dead. countless others who fought back. their countries are littered with depleted uranium, causing some of the most heartbreaking deformities and miscarriages, cancers and deaths you can imagine. now we are hated even more across the world being americans. and those of you who are so quick to believe the official government 911 story are a MINORITY amongst the world. and you are hated even more for believing the bullshit story.
since 911 the world has become more dangerous for americans....hundreds of times more dangerous. each day we fight these bullshit wars, and kill innocent people, imprison innocent people, each one of those people has a family, who will not forget, who will tell stories to their children about what we did to their loved ones. we have inspired a whole generation of adults, children and teenagers to hate america, and to hate americans.


will it end any time soon? is their any hope that we can resolve these issues? not the path that we are heading down.

[drizl]

dont be a sucka


i think whats most important is that we look at the evidence and see what didnt happen. who knows what really happened. i think thats all i have to say about this...lets start a thread on the wtc controlled demolition. hmmmm, im sure you would love that q

[Qdrop]

Q DROP you use the same stupid peice of shit source which references nothing itself! it just points to other sources which have eyewitness accounts and which actually made the news! and your website just tries to discredit each one! you call me brainwashed, but you are clearly the victim of a disinformation campaign put out by someone with vested interests!

fuck you buddy

the sources i quoted and linked all maked extensive use of experts in thier field, actual testimony, and official reports.

please list, specifically, what areas of my links,quotes, or sources are unsubstantiated.

in comparison to you, who has NO sources, referances, or data to back himself...
and is TRANSPARENTLY talking out of his tin-laced ASS!

[Junker]

Yeahhhhh!!!!

Fuck George Bush!!! :D (Sorry........... it escaped)

PS: Whats the name of that movie with Robert DeNiro thats hes a journalist I think and he manipulates the news to cover the president's ass because he was being accused of sexual abuse?? He even invented a war in a small country to do that cover...:confused:

[Qdrop]

before you label anyone a conspiracy theorist, do a little research yourself. you can cut the irony with a knife.

since i am the only one here fighting for these questions that are raised- which dissapoints me a little, it looks like i am up against several people who have not presented a valid source of credible evidence. i dub thee "HYPOCRITOR!"

WHY HAS THE GOVERNMENT NOT RELEASED ANY VIDEOS OF FLIGHT 77 HITTING THE PENTAGON. id like to know what your answer is. are you fucking high?
um, they just released one this week. that's what this whole thread is about.
the title of the thread, might have tipped you off.
that, and th fact that YOU started THIS thread and titled it "THE VIDEO PROVING FLIGHT 77 CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON!!!"

In the 90's PNAC, project for a new american century, whose listed members include rumsfeld, colon powell, paul wolfowitz, rove and bush family, lays out a plan for 2000, stating that the us needs to reshape the middle east, and that for this to happen, we might need something catastrophic such as a "new pearl harbor".

http://www.911myths.com/html/new_pearl_harbour.html

"First, the actual full quote is this.

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor".

The odd word here seems to be "transformation". What do they mean? Let's look back to the beginning of the same chapter.

"To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the Department of Defense must move more aggressively to experiment with new technologies and operational concepts, and seek to exploit the emerging revolution in military affairs. Information technologies,in particular, are becoming more prevalent and significant components of modern military systems. These information technologies are having the same kind of transforming effects on military affairs as they are having in the larger world. The effects of this military transformation will have profound implications for how wars are fought, what kinds of weapons will dominate the battlefield and, inevitably, which nations enjoy military preeminence".

So "transformation" refers to the process of introducing more information technologies into the military. What does 9/11 have to do with that? Nothing at all. In fact, the attacks demonstrated that one of the PNAC's pet schemes, a global missile shield, is entirely useless when planes can become bombs."

Drizl, you need to look up these regurgitated blog theories before you spew them.
skepticism goes both ways.

read for yourself: http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm

DO YOU REALLY THINK THE PNAC WOULD PUT THIER TOP SECRET AGENDA FOR WORLD DOMINTION IN THIER FUCKING MISSION STATEMENT ON THIER PUBLIC WEBSITE!??

not the first time insiders conspired to do such a thing- see northwoods document. but you are taking an incident where literally ONE general and his staff submitted a plan to stage a fake attack by Cuba (which was instantly turned down by Kennedy)....and using that as "evidence" that the US gov't would kill 3,000 of it's own people in a staged attack to go to war.
Gumby couldn't stretch that far.

it happens....i have already stated the coincidences of NORADS training excersizes, Rumsfelds control of the fighter response, which paralyzed the countries defense. the planes hit the towers, which are demolished soon after because it is too costly to deal with otherwise. silverstein, owner of the WTC site makes BANK. insider trading on american united and boeing days before the attacks hints at prior knowledge of impending attacks. several special people are told not to fly that day. WTC 7 which was an interesting situation in itself, apparently collapses on its own, some say by fire from one of the airplane parts crashing in to the building. if thats the case, third time in history an entire building was brought down by fire- the other two are the other two towers. clearly demolished. all three towers. just look for yourself. dont be so quick to judge. all theories/questions LONG since explained and debunked. years ago.
seriously, check the dates on your tin-hat blogger sites.

you have many many many eyewitness accounts by firefighters, news media, civilians, military, security, workers, janitors, of exploisions happening in the basements. you have molten metal several weeks afterwards in the basement. you have seismographs indicating magnitude 2 earthquakes underneath the trade centers just prior to their collapse- explosive devices meant to shake from the bottom up, weakening its main core structure. you have proof that jet fuel could not have caused the steel to collapse. you have evidence of demolition style bombs going off all over the building prior to its collapse.
where did all the evidence go? we werent allowed to see it...we saw what happened, a plane crashed into the building and it fell down, arabs did it. why do we need to study it? well, its all off in various scrap yards all over asia right now, and we will never be able to find any physical evidence of explosives or any such thing. again all questions that have been long since answered. i already posted the links.

billions of dollars were stored under the trade centers...it dissapeared too..wait, something like 230 million was recovered. small sum. your source on this? oh wait. you don't have one.

pentagon struck with a cruise missle or unmanned jet. or a UFO piloted by Santa.

just because you lose someone in a terrorist plane crash doesnt mean i have to shut up and not ask questions of course not. who needs class? certainly not you.
...its not about respect, its about fiding answers to that which has been left unanswered. hahhah...it's funniest thing though...get this.... THEY'VE ALL ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED!


then what happens. days later, PATRIOT ACT, HOMELAND SECURITY...these bills were literally thrown on to the desks of senators and congress people. they had no time to read them! they obviously prepared well in advance of the attacks, just waiting for the opportune time to be implemented. if you didnt sign them, you were unpatriotic and it was the wrong time to be unpatriotic. the Bush admin. definately took full advantage of the situation. that much is true.
but being an oppurtunist does not make you complicit.

then we attack afghanistan...which the taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. the Taliban was housing and supporting Al Queda members and training facilities (including bin laden himself) who were DIRECTLY responsible for 9/11.

[YoungRemy]

^^^^

what he said...

these are all moot points, and to debate every point drizl brought up would be an exercise in futility...

the quotes, references and links you used, drizl, Im sorry to say this, are not credible sources....

not to mention completely fabricated...

just because an internet site claims that a FDNY chief claimed to see an explosion (you offer no name, no interview in which it was taken from) does NOT make this info accurate by 1 iota of truth...

[WildBaldMonkey]

has anyone seen this (http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main)?

[Qdrop]

has anyone seen this (http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main)?

just rehashed, old shit.
rife with inaccuracies and shameless out-of-context quoting.

virtually all of it has been debunked.

[kaiser soze]

shouldn't the video look more like this?

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/pods/170506doctored.gif

[Qdrop]

shouldn't the video look more like this?

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/pods/170506doctored.gif

not unless the plane was traveling at 50 mph.

if the camera takes a hot every 2 seconds....and the plane is traveling at over 350mph...how far does it travel in 2-4 seconds?

how many frames are going to contain a clear shot of that plane?

[kaiser soze]

Seeing how well defined the explosion is ( not blurry at all...how fast does the explosion travel compared to the plane's speed...not much slower )

Seeing this, I would assume the shots would catch more of a plane rather than a contrail

[drizl]

Q i am done with you bro. you are an idiot, plane and simple.

[drizl]

shouldn't the video look more like this?

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/pods/170506doctored.gif







nice kaiser soze(y)



EGGFUCKINGZACTLY

[drizl]

has anyone seen this (http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main)?


nice(y)

alright! i knew there were some people out there, on this board, who were smart enough to think for themselves!

[drizl]

^^^^

what he said...

these are all moot points, and to debate every point drizl brought up would be an exercise in futility...

the quotes, references and links you used, drizl, Im sorry to say this, are not credible sources....

not to mention completely fabricated...

just because an internet site claims that a FDNY chief claimed to see an explosion (you offer no name, no interview in which it was taken from) does NOT make this info accurate by 1 iota of truth...


watch loosechange, watch the documentry those french brothers made (naudet?), read the testimonies for yourself. they are out there. i dont have time to find all those sources. i knew from day one, on september 11th that this was bullshit. and i watched, and i protested as this country fell into war with afghanistan and iraq. i believe in what i do because i have done my research, and have developed my theories. and i accept that i dont know what happened, that we will probably never know the full extent to which this who plot was carried out. but i do think that we will no more as time goes on, that people wont stay quite forever, and that bush and his cabal will go down. i only hope, that this incident moves our country forward, and humanity as well, so that we wont tolerate assholes trying to run our lives, and that we will empower ourselves to take control of this future we have as americans and global citizens. deceit, lies, fear, hatred, xenophobia and paranoia are all tools by which we are led. we must overcome these, and put people in to office who are not corrupt (dems wont do it either). we need true leaders to save our country from going down the shitter. and it is up to the people.