5.1 possibilities

[DeeJayZap]

Does anybody know if the 5.1 is gonna be mastered the same on AIFST as the Brass Monkey video on SGH? With the way they did it on SGH I made a perfect studio quality instrumental of Brass Monkey including the beat switch ups by extracting the different channels and we'd be able to get some sick instrumentals if they mastered it the same...

[dave790]

Yeah I'd imagine so, if it's any different I think it'll be for the better. They released it on the SHG DVD as a preview for it, so obviously on the actual DVD of AIFST it's going to have loads more capibilities, and the sound options will be all 5.1 etc, and the mastering will, as I said, be better or the same as how that was done. Certainly nothing radical in the way of changes.

[FunkyHiFi]

Yes, I have a hard time writing short posts. :D

Unless the guys dug around Def Jam's vaults & found the multitrack master tape for LTI and remixed that into 5.1 form - an expensive and time consuming process - what Capital probably had them do to save $$$ :( was run the *stereo* master tape through a DSP box to generate five separate channels + the LFE channel (i.e. the sub channel). Some of those boxes have gotten pretty good at "unwrapping" two channel mixes but real multichannel music i.e. made from the multitracks usually sounds much better, since the musicians can do whatever they want with each sound i.e. place it in the left, center, right, rear left, right right or LFE, and also move them around physically as the music plays if the music needs it to - DSP can't do either of these things.

The BB's Video Anthology also used a DSP method for its "surround" mix, resulting in only a blah-sounding echo from the rear speakers. If the BB's ever remix their albums into true surround, I'll buy'em all. Unfortunately since sales of home audio gear is so bad now, most labels have blown off the surround music formats (dvd-audio, sacd and DTS-CDs).

Lots of those DualDiscs you see nowadays and certain concert dvds use DSP-derived mixes and according to many, many reviews on multichannel music sites*, most sound pretty lame. You can get the same simulated-surround effect yourself by just playing you own CD through a receiver's own DSP modes: Dolby Pro-LogicII, DTS:Neo, Logic7, but especially the modes usually with names like hall, jazz club, concert hall or stadium which mostly use rather gimmicky reverb effects to provide a "surround" effect.

BTW: if anyone wants to hear what true multichannel music is like for not much money, read this (http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6271).....and that's all I'm gonna say about THAT. ;) You don't have to own a dvd-audio player to hear the surround mix because Dolby and DTS tracks are also included. I've heard this disc and it is awesome. Here's how this classic album was mixed into four channel surround (http://www.stereosociety.com/body_foursides.html) by one of the industry's most respected mixers.

*here's (http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/index.php) a very good one, though the average age there is a bit older than here.

[DeeJayZap]

no no i'm talking about the live show in MSG.

[Justin]

I'd say it will be top quality!

[FunkyHiFi]

no no i'm talking about the live show in MSG.
I know. :)

*I* was talking about the mix you mentioned that you made from the Solid Gold Hits dvd. Another member here that bought that dvd told me that it sounded like it had one of those DSP-derived 5.1 mixes: depending on the stereo mix, good simulated surround systems like Logic7, Dolby Pro-LogicII and DTS:Neo can extract certain instruments and vocals & place them in specific channels, so it is possible to put together you own mix (though I'm assuming a computer-based version was used).

As far as AIFST, at the theater we saw the movie at, they didn't have it set up right because 1) I couldn't hear any surround effects at all; 2) the volume was way too low and there was practically no bass - I still enjoyed watching the movie, but it had no sonic impact whatsover. But the Hornblower short was completely opposite: surround effects were clearly present and the volume was much higher (too high for me actually: just him speaking at normal levels made me cringe).

True surround mixes for concert dvds are really cool because if the audience was recorded too, that can almost put you right back at the original performance. (y)

BTW: Hello Nasty sounds almost like a true surround mix when played through Dolby Pro-Logic - very fun to listen to. BTW2: another forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=112) discussing 5.1 music & a professional (http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=16&DaysPrune=100&submit=Go) 5.1 forum.

[dave790]

True surround mixes for concert dvds are really cool because if the audience was recorded too, that can almost put you right back at the original performance. (y)

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Yeah on that, the crowd sounds kinda muted.

[DeeJayZap]

another great mixed 5.1 is Linkin Park's Reanimation which they released on DVDA aswell.

[FunkyHiFi]

another great mixed 5.1 is Linkin Park's Reanimation which they released on DVDA aswell.
This is one of the first dvd-a discs I bought. The surround mix is very agressive i.e. instruments & vocals (though fortunately not the *lead* vocal) are spread completely around the room with lots of moving effects timed to the music. This DJ remixed version (http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ID=3276) of the Hybrid Theory album is pretty good IMO & I still listen to it. The three videos on it are good too.

The disc also has a Dolby Digital 5.1 mix so people with regular dvd-video players (connected to a 5.1 receiver/speakers) can hear the surround mix too.