sexually aggressive pavement behaviour!

[na§tee]

yeah! my favourite!

so today, i was walking back from work with aching aching treetrunk feet and was just crossing the bridge near my flat.

a ned was at the maggie (a fastfood van which sells delightful things called scooby snacks and the like) and i caught his eye when i walked past cos, like, i was wondering what anyone in their right mind was doing ordering a big greasy hotdog at 5pm on a real sunny day.

so he starts to walk with me and shouts (you have to get the glasgow ned accent right so i'll help you out):

"see you hen, dae ya want tae take meh hame and ride tae fuck oot o' meh?"
(or, in laymans terms, "regard! person of female origin! do you want to take me to your apartment and grind on my penis?"

and of course i was like OMG.

and start walking faster, all the way he's right beside me just like "EH HEN? DINNAE YEH WANNA RIDE ME EH? DINNAE YAH WANNA RIDE ME HARD LIKE?" so i just stopped dead in my tracks hoping that he would just carry on walking by, which he did after a few pauses and generally rubbing of his crotchal area. a lady who was behind me took my arm and walked with me along the rest of the bridge.

i wasn't like, particularly scared or anything, just shocked.

i mean, what exactly does someone who says that exactly want to achieve by saying that? did he expect me to turn around and go "why actually! yes! i would quite like to take you home and, er, ride your cock". no! i think. but if they know they're not gonna get that reaction, why do they do it? it's just being so horribly aggressive and abusive. just so you can get some sorta kick outta it.

let's all share our pavement abusive of any kind from strangers! yeah man!

[jlees_mcsd]

They act that way because they KNOW you are not going to stroll over and say sure. Also I think some men feel more masculine if they hawk.

[voltanapricot]

Being called put by a random stranger is gross, but chavs/neds really are vulgar. I live in a city known as Chaventry so it always happens and IT. IS. ALWAYS. HORRID.

I wish I could find some witty retort and sprout some gangly legs so I could peg it without getting battered for 20p.

[mickill]

I was helping an elderly man out to his cab once when I used to work at a grocery store. Then he copped a feel. I wasn't sure at first. I thought maybe he just lightly grabbed my ass by accident. And I could have lived with that. But then he had to go and confirm his actual intent by saying, "Sorry about that." Then he's like, "You're a very hansome young man". I just put his groceries down and walked back into the store. I was sort of too taken by surprise to know how to react, really.

You should have pretended you were interested, then reached for his wang and twisted it and crushed his balls, Claire.

[ericlee]

they should invent a device for women for cases like this.

Something like a skunk's natural defense only this thing could create the most ghastly, vulgar wet sounding bloot that anybody's ever heard. It should also secrete a scent that would singe nose hairs and make anybody disgorge.

[beastieangel01]

yeah. This is why I don't bother running/walking around my neighborhood for exercise. And it never mattered which area I lived in. It happens to all girls I think.

[Echewta]

Did his breath smell like Nilla Waffers?

[voltanapricot]

I wish I could find some witty retort
Just thought of one....PUTA VAGABUNDA!

[YoungRemy]

take their picture and post it on the internet... thats what this girl (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/340923p-291030c.html) did

[na§tee]

yours is way better than mine, mickill. old pervert behaviour! no way! at least i wasn't groped. i would have certainly twisted his mingy ned wang then.

volters; chaventry! yikes. do they drink tonic wine there too?

anders; most glasgow neds look like this (http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/pictures/nedSquad.gif), but it's not such a good quality photograph. there's an alarming piece of grafitti all around glasgow with a more accurate representation of a ned on it which says "laugh now but one day we will be in charge". see! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/european_bob/124348004/) SCARY!

[na§tee]

i have done some further research and can conclude that the glasgow survival (http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/) website has a glorious ned picture gallery some 13 pages long. includes lots of other information on ned culture, history, weapons (!) and music. ahhh, good stuff! just like home!

[faz]

take their picture and post it on the internet... thats what this girl (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/340923p-291030c.html) did



Dan Hoyt had previously pleaded guilty to a public lewdness rap after victim Thao Nguyen snapped his self-love on her mobile and posted the pic on the web. He was quickly identified as the owner of two veggie restaurants called Quintessence, famed for their nutritious concoctions including "nut milk"..

[ericlee]

what a coincidence.. NUT MILK!! hahaha!! fuckin' sicko got hemmed..(y)

[enree erzweglle]

That was so sweet of that woman to take your arm and sort of sister-up with you. (y)

I get a cart-vendor who eyes me up and says in a very thick accent: Hey girl, let me see your nails. Come on. Just a quick look.

I smile and shake my head no and at the same time, I start moving diagonally away from him and he'll say something like: Oh, are you shy? Don't be shy! Come, show me your nails.

:D that he is so persistent and predictable :D :D

[Sarky Devotchka]

now that it's warm out and car windows are down, I've been getting cat-calls whilst riding my bicycle. this one guy in a beater with a mullet slowed down along side me and kept saying, "hey hey! hey hey!" and I said, "uhhh, no!" and he drove off. creeps!

[zorra_chiflada]

doesn't happen to me. even if i'm with someone, they'll get comments and stuff and i'll be ignored.

[Ace42X]

Basically, a lot of men just don't have respect for women. They know their behavior should get them no where with a sensible woman, so their behavior serves no real purpose. They just want to exert their power over someone and get their laughs at someone else's expense.

Basically, you are making a huge generalisation. What you mean is a SECTION of men have "no respect for women." Which could mean anything, really.

What they probably "know" is that the majority of women will look down on any fellow trying to talk to them randomly, and so initiate a pre-emptive derision as retaliation for the rejection that is inevitable, irrespective of their 'behaviour'. The reason they persist in it is because, every so often, they get a slutty airhead with low self-esteem who might well respond to it favourably, thereby letting them pass on their non-brad-pittlike genes to the next generation. Yes they want to "exert power over someone", because they feel emasculated due to the fact that we live, in dating terms at least, in a vagina-centric world where the women call the shots.

[Ace42X]

Anyhow, you say we live in a vagina-centric world where women call the shots? What planet are you on?

Ok then, quick test. How many random guys did you approach, flirt with, buy a drink for, proposition, and then get knocked back by?

How many random guys have approached you, flirted, bought a drink for you, propositioned YOU and got knocked back by you?

Unless you are REALLY hideous, I am thinking the ratio is probably pretty high in your favour.

QED.

PS: Learn how to talk to a woman. Trust me "Hi, my name is Steve. I think you're smart, beautiful etc. and I would like to take you out sometimes if that is okay with you" will get you a hell of a lot farther than "hey shooortay". More times than not a woman will treat you with respect if you come with the first line. Even if she is unavailable (i.e. gay, married), she will just tell you but there won't be harsh rejection. It's the pickup lines like "are you tired, cause you been running through my mind all day" that will get you laughed at. Honesty is the best policy.

^^^ Pretty much everything you said there was wrong. Not wrong in the "people think it is wrong" sense. Generally it would be good advice. But only if you listened to what women say. If you actually observe this sort of thing in action, you'll realise that in practice, it is a lot of bullshit.

[Ace42X]

I see where you're going with this. When I said its a man's world I was mainly talking about the world itself not just the dating world.

An irrelevent world. We are talking about sexual behaviour here. However, the world is also shifting into a woman's world in other areas too. The classroom has changed, and girls are consistantly out-scoring boys academically. Is this because they are smarter? Hell no, it is because, "Boys are being failed by schools because lessons have become too "feminised" in recent years"

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/5074794.stm)

In the dating world, women do call the shots. A lot of them do a poor job of it but oh well.

More than just poor, downright vindictive.

Sometimes guys go out of their league though and have no one to blame but themselves when they are rejected.

I thought guys were supposed to be the superficial ones? God knows women keep banging on about how they don't judge guys on looks. How can it be on anything else when they won't even talk to them?

I was a this bus stop and I saw this middle aged man with 1 tooth up the top of his mouth trying to pick up some pretty little 19 year old girl and of course he got shot down. What the hell did he expect?

To be treated like a human being perhaps? However, I was not talking about anomalous situations like that, I am talking about scenes I'd see daily in bars and nightclubs, between two perfectly well turned out people, neither one particularly ugly or attractive. Also about the way my female friends have talked about being approached, etc.

[enree erzweglle]

Some of it is locker room mentality. I think a lot of guys, in most contexts, won't say or do anything disrespectful but when they're with their other friends, they talk and call out and maybe it's done to impress their friends a bit or go along with the crowd.

Not all guys do this. In fact, I have never known anyone personally who did. Most guys that I know do or have done double-takes or have turned around to check a woman out and I don't think they realize sometimes that they're doing it (or maybe they don't realize how obvious they are when they do it).

This one time, I called this one guy on it because he was so holier-than-thou, claiming that he would simply not do what he had just done. So when I called him on it, he said something like, "I look at everyone." Then to prove his point, at the next corner, he made it terribly obvious that he was looking at this ~70-year old woman in rubber-soled shoes. :D

[fucktopgirl]

Yea, in the city it happen a lot that men scream at ya , horn their car and so on, especially the summer , obviously . It just never really bothered me and if it come to the point to bugg me, i know how to reply to them...:D

One time tho something happen to me and i was powerless, i was walking with my sister on "sherbrooke" street(montreal), then this dude was coming from the opposite direction on his bike, when he pass beside me, he grabbed my boob quickly. GOd damn it, i was really mad and offensed and could not believed it. This was really worst then words, i felt abused. After tho, i laught at it but on the moment , i wanted to smash the dude head!

[abcdefz]

I had a friend who used to holler at women out the passenger window of my car. He did this repeatedly and after several warnings from me, I finally smacked him a pretty good one. One of, I think three non-family members I've ever hit in my life, and in my mind, he deserved it.

I HATE that shit.

[Sarky Devotchka]

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/5074794.stm)




uh, this is a stupid article.

Dr Tony Sewell is calling for more nurturing of traditional "male" traits, such as competitiveness and leadership.

Schools focus too much on "feminine" qualities such as organisation and attentiveness, he was telling an NASUWT union conference in London.



so, only men are competitive, only men are leaders? only women organize and are attentive?

I thought the point in our modern world was to blend these traits and bring out the best in both the sexes? not highlight the differences and make special programs for boys only. shit, I'd have loved to have more adventure and hands on science in school. is that really masculine? I know lady scientists, I know lady mathematicians. are they manly? heiress is a scientist!

when I was moving, we had several people helping, 3 girls and 3 boys. everyone helped generously, but when I was in the laundry room disconnecting the washer and dryer to be moved, cort came back and said, "hey, the truck is full, I don't think we can fit everything" and I said, "you're kidding right, I got the biggest truck they had!" so I went out to take a look and the bastards had filled the truck without stacking anything. I had to take charge and command everyone after that while I rearranged the entire truck to accomodate all of our stuff, placing it so it wouldn't all collapse on the way. I also drove the truck, because everyone else was too pussy.

so what happened there? I demonstrated leadership, organization, attention to detail and a bit of competitiveness (by me thinking/saying, I'm the better at this than all of you!) Does that make me a manly woman? I don't know, I just saw a situation that was out of control and fixed it...like my mom would, and she's a girly girl.

[Sarky Devotchka]

ha ha, I realized that I wrote "too pussy", which in effect means "too girly".

oh gender roles! so confusing!

[mp-seventythree]

You would be well within your rights (well, not legally but who cares?) to either punch him in the throat or kick him in the bollocks Claire.

Or preferably both.

[abcdefz]

...do you have to have a license to carry mace?

[Qdrop]

you should have just taken him back to your place and banged him.


















i'm talking about Mickill's......not nastee.

[Ace42X]

I thought the point in our modern world was to blend these traits and bring out the best in both the sexes? not highlight the differences and make special programs for boys only. shit, I'd have loved to have more adventure and hands on science in school. is that really masculine? I know lady scientists, I know lady mathematicians. are they manly? heiress is a scientist!

Way to miss the point. The article literally said "schools are becoming more feminised". That does not mean "blended." Nor do the proposals mean "girls should be excluded from more action orientated lessons".

Does that make me a manly woman?

No, that would be your big hands, severe haircut and stocky figure.

[Sarky Devotchka]

Way to miss the point. The article literally said "schools are becoming more feminised". That does not mean "blended." Nor do the proposals mean "girls should be excluded from more action orientated lessons".



No, that would be your big hands, severe haircut and stocky figure.


I didn't say they said they were "blended" I said, "shouldn't they be blended?"

I suppose I don't think that schools are purposely being feminised...although perhaps that would be the natural course when most teachers are female. either way, I think that in general, education is set up so that everyone feels they are succeeding...but not everyone can succeed really. I do think there should be more competition and hands-on education in schools and that it would be beneficial for both sexes. I just disagree with the tone of the article in that the teacher made it about boys vs. girls.

sounds to me like you've been rejected by women one too many times.

[Ace42X]

sounds to me like you've been rejected by women one too many times.

Manly big-handed women?

And personally, I think the problem with education in general is that it is glorified day-care, with qualifications handed out based on compliance rather than "education" itself. IE learning things, and developing effective learning / analytic processes.

The whole system is without any specific aim, and as such is a hash-up. It is too varied to provide even a basic foundation for pretty much any job, too innaccurate and dumed down to provide any deep insight into how the world works, and too rigidly structured to allow an individual's knowledge base to grow. The result is people remember what they have to for exams, and forget it within a year. In the end they are tested on how good they are at taking exams, not on what they know about a subject, or what they understand.

We merely create a society of frustrated ignorants with heads full of often erroneous facts that are not only totally divorced from their day-to-day lives, but are also unwanted reminders of over a decade's worth of spirit-sapping monotony and imprisonment.

[Sarky Devotchka]

Manly big-handed women?

And personally, I think the problem with education in general is that it is glorified day-care, with qualifications handed out based on compliance rather than "education" itself. IE learning things, and developing effective learning / analytic processes.

The whole system is without any specific aim, and as such is a hash-up. It is too varied to provide even a basic foundation for pretty much any job, too innaccurate and dumed down to provide any deep insight into how the world works, and too rigidly structured to allow an individual's knowledge base to grow. The result is people remember what they have to for exams, and forget it within a year. In the end they are tested on how good they are at taking exams, not on what they know about a subject, or what they understand.

We merely create a society of frustrated ignorants with heads full of often erroneous facts that are not only totally divorced from their day-to-day lives, but are also unwanted reminders of over a decade's worth of spirit-sapping monotony and imprisonment.

I agree actually. that's part of the reason I haven't really used my teaching degree for anything other than tutoring kids at a learning center. and the "learning center" is kind of a joke anyway, since most of the teachers just go through the motions and just assign rote lessons. at least I mostly teach math where I have free reign over the curriculum. but sometimes I'll look at a kid's progress record and see that the last teacher had them plugging away at 5 pages of long division when they're 15 years old and only making mistakes because they're so used to using calculators. fuck that makes me angry. I always have to write a note to the other teachers along the lines of: "please have eddie complete 4 problems at a time, working on them until he gets them 100% correct, quality over quantity is what we're shooting for" etc. etc.

and holy crap, some teachers are seriously dumb as rocks. I wouldn't trust half my graduating class to teach children.

[zorra_chiflada]

i dunno, this really doesn't happen to me, and i'm trying to work out why.
it's not because i'm a giant, or because i'm a zombie.
and i think a lot of it is not looking scared, or expectant of comments. and also, to not believe that they do have the upper hand.

[zorra_chiflada]

Maybe too it also depends on your neighborhood.
i hear friends sharing stories all the time of the verbal abuse they have received.

[venusvenus123]

i dunno, this really doesn't happen to me, and i'm trying to work out why.
it's not because i'm a giant, or because i'm a zombie.
and i think a lot of it is not looking scared, or expectant of comments. and also, to not believe that they do have the upper hand.
oh, i thought you meant it's because you're not attractive enough and are kind of fishing for compliments... but what you're saying is that women who get cat-called are victims :confused:

[zorra_chiflada]

attractiveness has nothing to do with cat-calls. it's femaleness
i think those kind of guys will especially look for vulnerable looking girls. so look confident, not sexually confident, but confident you could hold your own, and/or retaliate. retaliation is the last thing they want/expect.

[venusvenus123]

WHORES! ALL OF YOU!
yeah, that's what it's like visiting a muslim country. well... i went to egypt and the men there would whistle and call to you like you're some animal.... even though i was respecting their modest codes of dress :rolleyes:

hmmm yeah, zorra, i consider myself a very confident woman... it doesn't stop idiots being idiots towards you tho. i'm sure claire is adequately confident... she just happened to cross a serious creep's path.

[zorra_chiflada]

yeah, that's what it's like visiting a muslim country. well... i went to egypt and the men there would whistle and call to you like you're some animal.... even though i was respecting their modest codes of dress :rolleyes:

hmmm yeah, zorra, i consider myself a very confident woman... it doesn't stop idiots being idiots towards you tho. i'm sure claire is adequately confident... she just happened to cross a serious creep's path.

it's not enough to be confident, sometimes you have to be aggressive.

[Ace42X]

yeah, that's what it's like visiting a muslim country. well... i went to egypt and the men there would whistle and call to you like you're some animal...

Calling Egypt a muslim country is like calling the UK a Christian country. I believe "arabs" were the people you were trying to descriminate against.

It sounds to me like women have not been kind to you.

Women aren't kind to guys in general. Having seen how my female friends and aquaintances have treated guys approaching them, I can safely say that you are all bitches.

A simple way to illustrate this is to poll women on the "correct" way to approach them. The ONLY sort of concensus you'll get is the sort of bullshit I pulled you up on earlier - and if you have ever had the cringe-inducing honour of witnessing some poor sod try and put it into practice, you'll know that it is "fronting bullshit."

To be treated like a human being? I am more than happy to treat everyone like a living being, but let's say a woman rolled up to me and was like "I want to date you" I'd be like hell no. Why? She doesn't fit my standard....I only do dudes. Nothing personal...just bi'ness. Just because a woman doesn't want to drop her drawers for you doesn't mean that she is treating you like a dog.

You can still treat people with respect though, rather than a lame-excuse to boost your ego and mess a guy around. For example, that "flirt-divert" phone-number on the radio - if that isn't vindictive I don't know what is. "Don't bother treating the guy like an adult and being candid, instead lead him on and trick him so that the whole nation can laugh at him!"

Nothing personal, though, right?

Don't bother telling a guy "you're not my type, here's why:" when you can simply lie and say you have a boyfriend, and then humiliate him further by making out with a random guy on the dance floor right infront of him!

I've seen "Hi, my name is Steve. I think you're smart, beautiful etc. and I would like to take you out sometimes if that is okay with you" used on a number of occasions, and each time it has resulted in the girls I was with going "hah, yeah right!" or "how creepy is that?" or "He said I was smart, he hasn't even spoken to me!" etc etc etc. Combined with pointing and giggling, as if a guy doesn't know that the excuses he was fobbed off with were bullshit, and that the group starting at him and chuckling aren't mocking him.

What you mean by "will get you a lot further" is "it will get you mocked and derided in exactly the same way, but the women get an ego-boost out of it, instead of feeling intimidated and objectified."

[ms.peachy]

Ace, I'm trying to work out, do you really just not like women? I don't mean, like, that you're not sexually attracted to them or anything, I mean, do you actually enjoy the company of females? Because I can't think of a single time you've ever had anything to say other than some really negative generalisation. So I can't figure if you just really don't like women as people, or have a hard time even thinking of women as people, or just don't really know any, or what.

I'm not trying to be cruel, I'm just really curious as to what is underneath this simmering anger that you keep throwing out at us here.

[Ace42X]

do you really just not like women?

I like women, in that I like people, I just don't like the shit they tend to get up to and the bullshit that they seem to coat themselves in. Call me a jaded cynic if you will, I prefer to think of myself as a realist.

do you actually enjoy the company of females?

Some, certainly. If I am not the person currently being dicked over by them, I find women perfectly pleasant company. Of course, then I get to witness them dicking over other random guys from a front row seat, and that inspires feelings of pity for the chap and distaste towards the chapette.

So I can't figure if you just really don't like women as people, or have a hard time even thinking of women as people, or just don't really know any, or what.

You don't get this jaded and cynical like that by "not knowing any women."

I'm not trying to be cruel, I'm just really curious as to what is underneath this simmering anger that you keep throwing out at us here.

Hardly "simmering anger." Distaste, certainly. And does there need to be anything "underneath" it? Can I not simply disapprove of the way the vast majority of women behave?

It is quite telling that the first instinct of the women here is to say "what's wrong with him?" rather than "what have we done wrong?"

[Lyman Zerga]

gotta love ace

[ms.peachy]

Wow. I wasn't aware that you knew "the vast majority of women" from which to draw your conclusions. Mea culpa.

You can say it's not anger if you want, and maybe it isn't, but it sure comes across that way.

[Ace42X]

I wasn't aware that you knew "the vast majority of women" from which to draw your conclusions.

Well, I suppose I could base my opinions solely on the actions and behaviour of women I have never heard of, but I don't think that would be very illuminating.

[Kid Presentable]

A lot of ladies seem to be confusing Ace's unwillingness to compliment women with a disliking of them. It's almost a case in point.

[Lex Diamonds]

You should have pretended you were interested, then reached for his wang and twisted it and crushed his balls, Claire.
So should you.

[iceygirl]

flipping them off will shut them up everytime

do it

it feels good!

thats just what my knee jerk reaction is to these situations, and it does seem like what zorra said, retaliation is not expected, and so when i flip them off they just sorta stare at me in this shocked sort of way. deflect!

[Kid Presentable]

By the way, obviously it is completely unacceptable what the poor Glaswegian lass had to endure, and I hope her assailant gets lead poisoning trying to fuck a letter-box.

[Pres Zount]

oh yes. concur, concur. here, here

[enree erzweglle]

Cat-calling seems like the urinal game in that there seems to be a set of unspoken rules about how guys [who are prone to cat-calling] operate. I've noticed some tendendies aside of the obvious (the obvious being guys who tend to cat-call tend not to do so with older women, unfit women, or younger girls and they do tend to cat-call to women who are dressed provocatively, in tighter/revealing clothes). Those aside, I've noticed other things...

If a woman is walking with a man, the potential cat-callers tend to assume that that man has already peed a circle around the woman and that she's off limits, she's been claimed. They keep their eyes down and say nothing.

Guys [who are likely to cat-call] seem to look, but they seem reluctant to call out to women who are with other women. However, if one of the women makes eye contact with one of the ogling guys, all bets are off and they'll likely cat-call. Guys will usually cat-call to two women walking alone.

Wearing sweats or loose-fitting clothes tends to keep guys from cat-calling to women; however, running/exercising outside & in sweats is a different story. (In other words, a woman could wear burlap and if she's outside & exercising, she'll probably get cat-called.)

Guys seem to cat-call to women with long hair more so than women with short hair, unless the woman with short hair is wearing tight or revealing clothing or her behavior, to them, is inviting them to ogle/cat-call.

Seems that guys admire (they'll look at) women who are dressed in business professional, but they tend not to call out to them as much or as readily as when a woman is dressed in tight/revealing clothes. Usually if a woman is dressed in professional clothes, the guys will look--they'll stop and watch as she walks past, making it very obvious, but they tend not to say anything. (I have noticed this if I wear a business dress--guys, construction mostly, will look but not say anything, but if I walk past the same guys the next day wearing something that's more revealing, the same guys will say something.)

This stuff is oddly predictable and I'm sure that I'm missing or am forgetting a bunch of it. (By the way, I've noticed that some women tend to treat women differently based on what she's wearing and the image she's projecting.)

[Pres Zount]

(By the way, I've noticed that some women tend to treat women differently based on what she's wearing and the image she's projecting.)

Treating people based on how they present themselves towards others? That's absurd!!

[enree erzweglle]

My favorite cat-call is sort of not a cat-call per se, but it's related. When my kid was clearing out his dorm room in April, I went up to help him and to lug a bunch of his stuff back home. His one dorm-mate was there and I'd only ever seen this guy sleeping in his bunk--he usually didn't get up before 3 unless it involved some extreme something related to a class or doing something with the bong that he kept in the bathroom. :) Anyway, he was up this time and he apparently said something to my kid or motioned something to him that I couldn't hear or see and I heard my kid say in a semi-horrified tone, "Dude, that's my mom." :D

[enree erzweglle]

Treating people based on how they present themselves towards others? That's absurd!!

Earlier in the week, I saw a kid wearing a tee shirt that said, "Sarcasm. It beats killing people." :D

[ms.peachy]

A lot of ladies seem to be confusing Ace's unwillingness to compliment women with a disliking of them. It's almost a case in point.
My question wasn't really about complimenting or not complimenting, it was just that lately it seems that Ace has been really kind of "lashing out" against women. Not solely this thread, just a handful of things I've noticed he's written lately where he just seems to have a lot of spleen to vent against the female of the species. And it all seems kind of a recent development, so it occurs to me that maybe he'd just gotten dumped, or not been, erm, 'successful with the ladies' lately, or something. There's been an awful lot of generalising on his part as to 'what women are like' and 'the things women do', and it's kind of getting up my nose a bit. But only a bit.

[Kid Presentable]

But only a bit.
Alright then. I was worried (only slightly) that the euphoria of parenthood had worn off already.

[venusvenus123]

Calling Egypt a muslim country is like calling the UK a Christian country. I believe "arabs" were the people you were trying to descriminate against.
i'm not trying to discriminate against anyone in particular. i just don't enjoy being treated with disrespect, by anyone. by the way, Egypt is 98% muslim. i think that pretty much makes it a muslim country.

[ms.peachy]

I was worried (only slightly) that the euphoria of parenthood had worn off already.
Nah, I'm still all kinds of in love with that. :)

[venusvenus123]

they do tend to cat-call to women who are dressed provocatively, in tighter/revealing clothes). Those aside, I've noticed other things...
yes, today i had the cheek to wear a shortish, tight-fitting skirt. as i was waiting at the bus stop, with my son... i got a predictable *beep beep* from a passing guy, who was hanging out his car window leering at me. gee, thanks.

once when i was riding my bike, i passed two guys on a motorbike who had stopped on the road. when they started up again, as they passed me they slowed right down so that the one on the back of the bike could wack me really hard on the bum. they thought that was hilarious. i, of course, was quite terrified. serves me right for riding my bike in provocative lycra leggings.

[Ace42X]

by the way, Egypt is 98% muslim. i think that pretty much makes it a muslim country.

You miss my point. You were not saying "Egypt is a chauvinistic country, and happens to be muslim" - you were saying Muslim countries were chauvinistic because Egypt is.

I was pointing out that England is supposedly a Christian country (significantly less so in the last few decades, but that is beside the point) - but you would not say that "christian countries are <blah>" based on how English people treated you.

Similarly, conflating all of Islam into "the people I ran into in Egypt" would be like making generalisations that include the pope, bible-belters, greek orthodoxers, unitarians, pentacostalistis, mormons, Jehovahs witnesses, etc etc.

Simarly, not all muslims are Arabs, whereas Egypt is an Arab country. Therefore, you were really descriminating against the people based on their arabic racial origins, rather than their religion.

[venusvenus123]

my experience in egypt was my first exposure to a largely muslim culture. from a female point of view it was not all that nice. i also had a similar experience when i visited the palestinian parts of israel. my friend (who is bangladeshi by birth) also said she had a similar experience in all the arab (and muslim) countries she has lived in.

i don't really know what point you're making. you seem to be trying to pick a fight with whoever you can.

by the way, it's discriminating, not descriminating.

[venusvenus123]

Therefore, you were really descriminating against the people based on their arabic racial origins, rather than their religion.
who knows what religion the men who made those nasty noises to me as i walked past them were? i would assume that they were muslim, given, as i already said, that 98% of the people there are muslim.

i'm well aware that not all muslims are arabs tho. why do you suddenly attack me as being anti-arab?

[Ace42X]

i don't really know what point you're making.

It is very simple:
yeah, that's what it's like visiting a muslim country.

Is what you said, when by your own admission you are basing that opinion solely on exposure to one specific arab country, and apparent heresay involving a few others.

If you got cat-called in Italy, would you then feel justified saying "yeah, that's what it's like visiting a Christian country." ? Start blaming catholocism?

Presumably not, so clearly it is not fair to base this judgement on the religion. So what about the other factors that you feel are to blame, other than islamophobia? It could be race, you feel that something about arabs makes them more prone to cat-calling? Of course, that would be akin to being cat-called in Germany, and saying it is white-people who are prone to it. Or perhaps it is something more circumstantial than them being "muslim countries" - for example to do with middle-eastern culture, or the climate, or the economic conditions.

I know plenty of people who'd say that the Greeks are pretty sexist / sexually aggressive, are you going to say that is "how it is in Christian countries" or do the greeks merit the distinction of "Greek Orthodox" countries? Maybe just orthodox ones in general? Or maybe you can say "That's how it is in mediterranean countries" and include Egypt, Greece, Turkey and a few others?

you seem to be trying to pick a fight with whoever you can.

You seem to be more willing to shoot your mouth off than think about your posts before making them. Your point?

by the way, it's discriminating, not descriminating.

Ah criticising people's spelling, the last bastion of those who know they are in the wrong.

[Kid Presentable]

Nah it's not acceptable, in fact it's downright disgusting. But I think it ultimately makes the dude look like a tool, sadly at the expense of a lady.

[venusvenus123]

It is very simple:


Is what you said, when by your own admission you are basing that opinion solely on exposure to one specific arab country, and apparent heresay involving a few others.

If you got cat-called in Italy, would you then feel justified saying "yeah, that's what it's like visiting a Christian country." ? Start blaming catholocism?

Presumably not, so clearly it is not fair to base this judgement on the religion. So what about the other factors that you feel are to blame, other than islamophobia? It could be race, you feel that something about arabs makes them more prone to cat-calling? Of course, that would be akin to being cat-called in Germany, and saying it is white-people who are prone to it. Or perhaps it is something more circumstantial than them being "muslim countries" - for example to do with middle-eastern culture, or the climate, or the economic conditions.

I know plenty of people who'd say that the Greeks are pretty sexist / sexually aggressive, are you going to say that is "how it is in Christian countries" or do the greeks merit the distinction of "Greek Orthodox" countries? Maybe just orthodox ones in general? Or maybe you can say "That's how it is in mediterranean countries" and include Egypt, Greece, Turkey and a few others?



You seem to be more willing to shoot your mouth off than think about your posts before making them. Your point?



Ah criticising people's spelling, the last bastion of those who know they are in the wrong.
i agree that i made a rash, and slightly facetious statement. sorry if i offended you.

but rather than just being rude to me, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why those men in egypt had so little respect for me as a woman. and why my friend had such a hard time when she lived in various arab countries. if it's not to do with the teachings of islam, then what is it to do with? is it the specific interpretation of islamic law?

my "islamophobia" (i am pretty much anti all organised religions anyway, so it's not like i'm picking on islam particularly) stems not just from my experience in egypt and israel but everything i have read and observed of the religion and culture. Ayan Hirsi Ali for example, the somalian woman who dared to speak out about the female experience as a muslim: http://www.racematters.org/ayaanhirsiali.htm.

[Ace42X]

Blah

Could you please learn to quote properly? Your multi-coloured skittles style of quotation not only must take you more time to do, but makes it impossible for people who are replying to you to quote easily.

If you use ["/quote]" at the end of the section you would like to quote, rather than using colours around your own text, it will make life a lot easier for you, and all posters. If you want to start quoting text again, use ["quote]" at the front. Without quotation marks in both cases.

We are all bitches---only when provoked.

Bullshit. How has a stranger trying to make polite discourse with you "provoked" you?

I can safely say by reading history books and this thread that men have not been kind to women or each other if you want to go there.

Let's go there. Your justification for being a bitch to strangers is "some totally different guys in the distant past were tools to some totally different women in the distant past." Excellent retort.

we don't owe you shit.

Ah, but you do, from a moral point of view. Society is based around respect. You owe men politeness and courtesy when they approach you just as much as men owe you a duty not to sexually intimidate you with cat-calling and profanity in the streets. Of course, feminazism would tell you otherwise, but of course, it would be militant vaginocentric bullshit.

A lot of times you all approach with so many tired ass lines and obvious lies and expect us to sit there and listen to it?

Hah, you yourself suggested approach you with "tired ass lines and obvious lies." "You look clever and beautiful..." What is that if it's not a tired ass line?

You prove my point that even you women don't know how men "should" approach you, and yet you STILL expect men to do so, despite the inevitable offence you women will heap on those who try. That's why you tend to get hit on by cock-sure bullshit artists - because everyone who has tried to have a frank and honest discussion with you girls gets shot down in flames - whereas anti-social wankstains don't give a rat's ass about what the bed-filler he is trying to pork thinks, and thus is more than happy to ask out 10 different women in a night, and be glad to get the one who says yes.

It is a situation of your own creation, so do not expect sympathy.

I am only vindicitive when you treat me like some whore or sex toy for your amusement

So you say, but you are hardly unbiased are you? You yourself have said that you would generally not be candid and frank with a guy you found unattractive, that borders on the unnacceptable - and I dare say you'd go a lot further too.

when I am simply walking to 7-11 to steal some Yoo Hoos and pretzels.

Heh, I find it amusing that you can judge anyone's social behaviour when you are a petty thief.

You're the one taking this personal.

So you say. But of course, just stating something is the case doesn't make it true, does it?

I am honest with people. Honest with the people you steal from?

That is a sterotype Ace. I don't know where you got the idea that I'd mock and dog people with my friends.

It might be a stereotype, but tell me you don't, and I'll call you a liar.

but rather than just being rude to me, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why those men in egypt had so little respect for me as a woman. and why my friend had such a hard time when she lived in various arab countries. if it's not to do with the teachings of islam, then what is it to do with? is it the specific interpretation of islamic law?

Logic error. Just because something has happened in muslim countries doesn't mean it happened because you were in a predominantly muslim country. Take Greece, for example, I have known several women to make the same broad generalisations about greek men that you have - and yet Greece is a greek-orthodox country predominantly. As I said, if you were just going strictly on deduction, you'd be more accurate in saying it was "mediterranean countries" than Islamic countries.

I think, personally, it is a combination of factors - a significant one being climate. Another key factor is the way women in these societies react. Some mediterranean women are very fiesty, and can (and do) give as good as they get. They do not require men to censor themselves in order to make the women feel comfortable. Women in Islamic nations often wear very modest clothing, and (because of their society) spend more time with their family or husbands, rather than going around unescorted. I'd imagine that nearly all of the women seen alone in these countries are prostitutes, and as such you coincidentally associate yourself with them.

If you went out in the US or UK, or France wearing a tiny PVC mini-skirt, fishnet stockings, a sticky bustier, etc - would you not expect to have curb-crawlers pull up and make comments? Even if you were dressed like that in a non-prostitute setting (walking into a bank) you'd still get funny looks, right?

There are plenty of other possible contributing factors.

[venusvenus123]

Of course, feminazism would tell you otherwise, but of course, it would be militant vaginocentric bullshit.
do you mean feminism? this isn't even an argument with me, but i think you could learn to spell the word correctly. are you british?

militant vaginocentric bullshit? one thing is quite clear: you have some issues with women.

[Ace42X]

do you mean feminism? this isn't even an argument with me, but i think you could learn to spell the word correctly. are you british?


Heh, "Feminazism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminazi)" - Feminism as practised in a facistic (Nazi-esque) way. IE Femi-nazi. Feminazism. Again trying to go for the spelling? Sad. I think you could learn to google for it before criticising. are you a yank?

you have some issues with women

Yes, because the problem couldn't possibly be with all you little princesses, eh? Ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem).

[venusvenus123]

Heh, "Feminazism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminazi)" - Feminism as practised in a facistic (Nazi-esque) way. IE Femi-nazi. Feminazism. Again trying to go for the spelling? Sad. I think you could learn to google for it before criticising. are you a yank?



Yes, because the problem couldn't possibly be with all you little princesses, eh? Ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem).
i'm not surprised you have trouble getting women to talk to you in the real world. i have certainly had enough of talking to you on here.

[Ace42X]

i'm not surprised you have trouble getting women to talk to you in the real world.

Like that hasn't been said before (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=1211790&highlight=pig#post1211790).

Let's dissect this for a moment - as you are unable to actually hold a point and stop yourself from looking ignorant, what this boils down to is:

"I am not surprising you have trouble getting women to talk to you, if you do not bullshit them into thinking you agree with their logical fallacies or incompetent arguments."

Yes, I am well aware that it is much easier to get into women's underwear if you suck up to their vanity, and pretend there isn't an elephant in the room when they say something outrageously stupid as you have here. What a surprise that, as a woman, your first response is "well, perhaps you should misrepresent the situation a little more..."

i have certainly had enough of talking to you on here.

Of course you have, no stupid bint likes getting owned.

[Kid Presentable]

The propensity for polite discourse to turn into cat--calling and gratification is huge, in a broad sense, though. And without intimate knowledge of the approacher, you could see how a woman could jump on the defensive.

I think what's fairest is that while a lot of men are ye olde scumbages, an equal amount of women are too; if only in much more cerebral, socio-pathic ways

[marsdaddy]

I'm not a fan of Pavement. Aren't they just a cheap knock off of Nirvana?

[Ace42X]

You are obviously talking about something completely different than what I am talking about.

You were replying to "Women aren't kind to guys in general. Having seen how my female friends and aquaintances have treated guys approaching them, I can safely say that you are all bitches."

So saying "yeah, it's when we are provoked" is not the case.

All I said was that history shows such and such and I said that since you were using your experiences to say that all women are evil and desire to harm men. If you can use the experience of one man (i.e. yourself) then I can simply state the experiences of many.

Surely common sense should tell you that my experience of the recent past is a valid frame of reference (and, indeed, my only frame of reference) - whereas 'the way some guys treated some women 50 years ago, before all of the people talking in this thread were even born' is not?

You are the one who drew the conclusion. If I say the sky is blue and you say that I think all people are tall doesn't mean that the sky makes the people tall.

As entertaining it is to see you experimenting with logic, could you play with it offline and only post things that make sense? K, thnx.

You are the one with a lack of respect with all of these "attitudes" and jumping to conclusions and belittling people.

Sorry, you seem to be confusing "respect" with "ignoring the elephant in the room." You, as a woman, my think "respect" involves misrepresenting the facts (No doubt you think it is 'respectful' to bullshit a person you are turning down, eh?) but I can assure you that to a significant part of the population respect often has a basis in honesty.

And "jumping to conclusions" - such as? Making inferences from what you have said, without anything to suggest otherwise?

The men who do all of that "sexual intimidation" are the only ones that I cut down.

So you say, but of course coming from a self-confessed habitual thief, excuse me if I take that with a pinch of salt. More accurate is "are the only ones I like to think I have cut down" - and as amusing as it is to see you defend yourself with the righteous indignation card again, I dare say there are plenty of guys who you do not consider yourself to have "cut down", but still walked away feeling shitty because guys know when they are being bullshitted by dumbass chicks who think they are smarter than they are.

Of course, it may be that you are pig-ugly, and as such do not get approached by non-neandathals, in which case you have my sympathy.


...I have nothing against other men regardless of what words you may be trying to put in my mouth or what you assume. You are insane.

Why are you talking about somthing the thread is not about? The thread is about aggressive pavement behavior not dating 101.

You didn't think to pause at this point and, having failed to grasp the flow of conversation over the last dozen posts, re-aquaint yourself with what had been said so far? If you re-read the thread, you will see quite clearly what prompted this line of discourse, which you have taken part in for the last several posts. Maybe you zoned out and forgot what you yourself have posted here? That would explain your rather weak grip on things.

You are taking my stuff out of context

If you think that, perhaps you should re-read the thread. That or do a little soul-searching and try to determine whether you: 1. Are saying that to save face; 2. Have managed to delude yourself into believing the varied crap you are spouting; 3. Need to re-evaluate your view of the world.

I didn't even exist when this began.

Your plural. You and your gender.

Again venom and vengenance springs forth from you.

Hah, it always amuses me when morons think they are being poetic. "Vengenance springs forth from you..." - Surely to revenge, there must be an injustice "springing forth" for the avenger (me, according to you, men possibly, depending on context) to take vengeance against?

So yes, "sexually aggressive pavement behaviour" may well be "vengeance" against women "springing forth" from the yobs who aren't polite enough to take the dicking around by women in good humour!

Would you date a 70 year old woman with one tooth in her mouth? Enough said.

No. Would I give her a flirt-divert phone number? No. Would I lie about by relationship status to her? No. Would I let her buy me a drink, then pretend she wasn't in the room? No. Would I say "I'll call!" and then not? No. Would I lie to her face repeatedly? No.

Do women do these things all the time to guys (of their age, with all their own teeth, clean, and no physical deformities) in the pub? Damn straight. Go into any nightclub or bar and you see it happen all the time.

So, you can drop the "70 year old with one tooth" strawman argument, as I pointed out previously (you may have missed it while zoned out being an airhead) I was talking about treating said person with respect, not about "saying yes just because they asked."

Some people, and not just men either, expect people to do things that they wouldn't do.

"Some people" meaning fictional people you have constructed for the sake of your pointless strawman argument?

I believe in a little something called dating your equal.

http://www.laddertheory.com/ - Yes, I know all about it. Infact my whole argument is not only in harmony on the subject, but pretty much proved by it.

If you have nothing to offer me that I want(and I'm not talking material things), then why should I be with you?

Not talking about material things? You are certainly not talking about emotional or spiritual things - as turning down a complete stranger can only based on materialistic judgements. You are talking about looks, that is inherantly materialistic.

do not confuse apples with oranges and let's stick to this issue at hand.

The issue at hand there was one of credibility. And a thief, even on who is self-confessed, is not someone who is inherantly trustworthy.

Perhaps people have pushed boosters and other antisocial offenders to doing what it is they do.

I am more than willing to concede that you are a criminal because a traumatic past fucked you up. Similarly, I am more than willing to concede that women are generally dishonest and dissembling in their dealings with men approaching them because of societal pressures. While this explains things, it certainly does not legitimise them. Shoplifting is still a condemnable offence, as is the behaviour of the majority of women.

Now, I know this is a generalisation, and I am more than happy to clarify the term "all / the vast majority of women" to mean "all women in circumstances comparable to my experience" - IE a high percentage of all women who I will ever meet, certainly of all women who post here, and who will meet guys (their own age, with a full set of health chompers, and all their limbs) in a pub or bar similar to those everyone who has and will post in this thread is familiar with. So with that in mind (I can see some asshat is going to say 'what about subserviant women in burkas who need dowries to get married?' even though it is totally off point), you can re-read the thread and maybe drop some of the misunderstandings you are clinging to.

Could say the same thing about your claims...

Yes, but *I* know I am not a liar, nor a thief, and thus am intrinsically trustworthy. As for *my* claims - you can go into any bar, pub or nightclub with a pen and pencil and see for yourself taking notes. You'll see I am right. Or, if you don't like that, go to random women between 18-30 and ask them about the last times they rejected someone while they were single - I guarantee you none of them say "oh yeah, I had to tell him that his hair was too messy" or "He was wearing a t-shirt instead of a shirt!" and there are plenty of "hah, yeah, I made up a phone number on the spot!" or "I told him I had to go off to speak to my friend about something!" or "I told him I was seeing some!" style answers.

I don't steal from people. :confused:

Confused? Are you retarded, or just drugged up? You thing the things you steal own themselves? They make themselves? They invent, design and package themselves? They vend themselves?

You do steal from people, you cannot "steal" something that doesn't belong to people. Products you shoplift are vended by someone on a till who can and will be held responsible in part for losses accrewed on his shift. The shop's profits (which your theft eats into) are owned by share-holders whose investment was used to build, lease and furbish the building, as well as order (buy) the products for resale. By extension that money is used to manufacture the product, etc etc etc.

Tot up the total cost of everything you have stolen - that is money you have, effectively, stolen from an individual somewhere. Whether it is the old people whose income is lowered because your theft eats into profit margins, or the starving hobo behind you because your theft means a store has to increase security, and spend money on CCTC, etc etc - all of which has to be paid for by the company, who has to hike up their prices to do so.

So, when you say "I don't steal from people" - what you actually mean is "I don't steal from people who I meet or get too close to" - but you are stealing from people, and it does have a signficant effect on real people's day-to-day lives.

You could call me whatever you want but does that make it true?

No, but it doesn't make it untrue either. I called you a thief, is that untrue?

And what is the point of you even conversing with people when all you do is deny everything they say and in effect call them liars?

You really think it would be more beneficial for me to converse with people and BELIEVE their lies? I can see how that would help YOU out, and I can see why you would thus argue it is right and proper (as with stealing), but I really don't see where the benefit to me of being lied to is.

If you are going to try to bullshit me, I'm going to call you on it. You might want to tell me it is "pointless" me calling bullshit on it, but I'm still gonna laugh at you for trying to.

But you don't even know us or what we've done, so how can you accuse us of things.

I don't know every pig that has ever lived or what they have done. Does that mean I can't say they root around in slurry?

Yes, it is inductive reasoning, yes it is thus logically flawed, which is why, precisely, I give strangers the benefit of the doubt, despite having overwhelming experience telling me it is not worthwhile, and despite being proved right time and again. It is also why I think that women, should do the same for guys. But they don't!

You say you have no simmering rage about to burst forth but you ever so clearly do.

"Clearly" ? You don't think shoplifting "involves stealing from people" - you don't see anything "clearly" at all.

And another thing...just because a woman doesn't say yes to dating you doesn't mean she is nasty or has to be nasty about it. What if the woman you're macking is gay or is already involved? Is it "cruel" of her to say no.

You miss my point, probably because you are fucking dense, I have already covered this, several times. I am not saying women should say yes to every guy who asks them out in a pub, and certainly not if they are a lesbian or seeing someone.

What I was saying is that when women don't "say yes to dating you" - they are INVARIABLY nasty about it. Do they "have" to? No. But they do.

Now, maybe you don't think that telling obvious lies to someone's face is "nasty" - but then that sort of moral laxity isn't surprising coming from someone who thinks stealing is acceptable.

If a guy approaches a woman who is dating someone, then she should answer truthfully (truthfully meaning 'without deception'.)

IE, instead of saying "Sorry, I have a boyfriend" she should say "Sorry, I do not find you attractive." If she does have a boyfriend, but wouldn't date him ANYWAY, the boyfriend thing is irrelevent. It is a deliberate deception. "Sorry, I have a boyfriend" should only be used when the woman ask genuinely means "I am sorry, under other circumstances I would very much like to persue this subject with you."

Likewise, a lesbian should say "Sorry, I like girls" - and while many no doubt do, it is ruined by the inconsiderate straight bitches who think it is a valid thing to say to get themselves off the hook.

Because when a girl lies when she is blowing off a guy, she isn't just rejecting him, she is saying he isn't worth even the common decency of the truth and forthrightness. While you may well think a guy (no matter how old, ugly or toothless) doesn't deserve to date you, and be quite justified, how do you defend saying a perfect stranger you don't know doesn't deserve the truth, hmmm?

[Sarky Devotchka]

who cares if you lie to a stranger or not? and if you say, "I have a boyfriend", you need to also let them know that if you didn't, you might be interested? that's ridiculous. one time a couple of summers ago, I was at the beach with my boyfriend's dog and we were playing in the water. a man started talking to me and asking me questions about the dog. I was trying to be nice, but I didn't want to talk to him. because he was a dork, yes, but also because I had a boyfriend. so when he continued asking questions about the dog, I said, "I don't really know, it's my boyfriend's dog". and the guy said, "oh, okay, well, see ya". and moved along. should I have said right at the start, "HEY I HAVE A BOYFRIEND, AND I DO NOT FIND YOU ATTRACTIVE, PLEASE LEAVE!"

?

[Ace42X]

Ace, I saw the length of your reply and scanning it saw the same bullshit--twisting words, confusion, tired insults, hatred etc.

You saw yourself getting owned, and now you are pussying out because you don't have the balls to finish what you started. Begone, run from this place. Flee, and take the tattered remains of whatever dignity you wish you had with you.

I didn't even truly read it nor am I going to truly reply to it. You've made an ass of yourself and come across as an woman hating psychopath.

You can tell all that from a post you "didn't even truly read" ? Wow, that's a neat trick. And the unorthodox conversation tactic of replying-to-things-you-didn't-even-read certainly explains your inability to grasp what was being said.

I don't talk to or associate with people who have no respect for others and who can't voice their opinions and disagreements without sarcasm and degrading others.

Hah, hyperbole. You're a dumbass thief bint, who would do better to think before putting finger-tips to keyboard and making pronouncements bigger than her limited mental faculties can express.

Keep on living in your little fantasy world mate

That is rich coming from a space-cadet like yourself.

I don't have time to play games with antisocial teenagers everyday.

Rich coming from a juvenile thief who is no doubt significantly younger than myself.

I have a life to get back to.

Which involves habitual shoplifting? Oooh, I am so impressed.

Keep on ranting and trying to put me down if you will.

Urm, ok, sure thing. Although less of the "trying" thank-you. While a lot of the credit must go to you for the inane replies, simpering non-sequiters and hypocritical drivel, I think I have "suceeded" in putting you down repeatedly and undeniably.

... What, you expected me to "not reply" just because you used the "anyone who replies to this is admitting they are a cock!" defence? What next, "I'm wearing a mirror suit, you're insulting YOURSELF! THAT'S YOUR UGLY FACE!" ? <looks directly below>
oh... touché.

Your words reflect far more on your own insecurities and fantasies than they ever could on me.

Hahahahaha, you really think so? Are we reading the same thread? 'Cause from where I'm sitting, it sounds like I got you pinned, owned you thouroughly, and am now shitting on your crumpled sobbing form.

I am never again reading or responding to another one of your posts. Why?

Because you like to hear the sound of your own voice without being interupted by laughs from the back? Because you don't like getting your good-for-nothing ass handed to you by someone you were trying to argue against? Because you feel bad about yourself when a complete stranger manages to pull you up on all of your flaws, and your attempts to justify it just incriminate you further? Because you feel the need to get the "last word" - and know that you don't have the skills to do so in the thread?

I like to engage in meaningful conversation not juvenile if-I-say-green-you-say-blue bullshit when I've done nothing but tried to have a sensible thread with you.

You like to talk to people as dense (preferably more so) than yourself who can be easily swayed into agreeing with you because you are assertive and a girl, when all you've done is throw tantrums and accusations because all of your arguments are totally hollow, and you can't stand getting SERVED.

[befsquire]

jesus christ! you have far too much time on your hands. it hurts my eyes, so i can't even read your replies to agree, disagree, call you an ass or brilliant, etc.

anyway, did you ever consider that you keep choosing the wrong female company, much like the woman who repeatedly chooses a piece of shit man?

[Ace42X]

who cares if you lie to a stranger or not?

Yeah, what's the big deal about lying to someone, right? And who cares if you shout at women in the street, right? It's not like telling obvious lies to a guy could possibly offend them, eh?

and if you say, "I have a boyfriend", you need to also let them know that if you didn't, you might be interested? that's ridiculous.

It is also NOT THE POINT you dumbass bint. My point was that when you say "I'm sorry, I have a boyfriend" you are implying, intentionally, that is the main reason you would not date them. If you wouldn't date them ANYWAY, the boyfriend thing is bollocks. It is an "excuse" as we in the deception business like to call it.

I was trying to be nice, but I didn't want to talk to him.

So, rather than simply tell him the truth, you decided to lie to him and deliberately try to make him feel uncomfortable? That's so NICE of you! Well I'm sold on it!

yes, but also because I had a boyfriend.

Which means you can't make conversation with men, dorky or otherwise, about a dog?

I said, "I don't really know, it's my boyfriend's dog". and the guy said, "oh, okay, well, see ya".

Translation: "What a fucking bitch, either she is one poor conversationalist, or she really need to get over herself."

You do realise he left because he could tell you were being standoffish, and not necessarily because he was: A. Trying it on with you; B. put off by you saying you had a boyfriend? Right?

You know there is a good possibility he was just trying to strike up a conversation, and was quite offended that you thought he was trying it on with you, yes?

should I have said right at the start, "HEY I HAVE A BOYFRIEND, AND I DO NOT FIND YOU ATTRACTIVE, PLEASE LEAVE!"


No, because it is irrelevent. You should've said "I don't want to talk to you." Or "I don't like talking to strangers." Or "I don't feel like talking to you."

Of course, that is assuming that those are the reasons you did not want to talk to him. You bringing up this anecdote in this thread in this context seems to suggest that actually you didn;t want to speak to him because you didn't find him physically attractive -

In which case "I'm sorry, I don't find you physically attractive, so there is no point in talking to you" would've been honest.

Or, alternatively if the boyfriend thing really was an issue (although I don't believe it is - like girls can't talk to boys if they are single, what you live in Iran now? Pull the other one) "I'm sorry, my boyfriend doesn't like me talking to other guys."

Don't you think there is something wrong when the first thing you think of to tell another human being in conversation is a flat out lie to their face?

And more importantly, do you really think he couldn't tell that you were bullshiting him?

[Ace42X]

anyway, did you ever consider that you keep choosing the wrong female company, much like the woman who repeatedly chooses a piece of shit man?

Like I said (although I appreciate you probably skimmed over it), this was based on the sum total of my experience - that doesn't just mean women I've dated or and friendly with (IE I have selected myself) but also strangers I have noticed while people-watching, or friends of friends I have been out with, or heard anecdotes of, etc etc.

Take Sarky's anecdote - I certainly haven't "chosen her" as female company, and yet she falls directly into the catergory.

I also already stated (and you may well also have missed) that while my comments may over-emphasise the scale of this, there are plenty of exceptions. However, like the ladder theory, I think most women would choose to exclude themselves from this, even though they fit in perfectly.

Oh, and you didn't miss much by skipping posts. Most of my replies to Faithbanks were pretty vacuous, because everything she brought up was beside the point and vacuous.

[Sarky Devotchka]

I wasn't bullshitting him. I was answering his questions politely, and when he asked one that I didn't know the answer to, I said "it's my boyfriend's dog". because IT WAS MY BOYFRIEND'S DOG! I would have said the same thing to a woman. all I wanted to do was play fetch with my little Bison baby, I was not in the mood for chatting. and I was alone, what if he was a murderer? Bison was/is big, but he could only lick you to death. I think it would have been much more rude to say, "hey, I don't feel like talking to you right now."

shit man, that guy was trying to flirt with me, I'm not stupid. I have guy friends, when a girl drops the "boyfriend bomb", they cut and run. I literally witnessed this two nights ago. I said to my friend, "what happened to your lady?" (a chick I saw him talking to in the stairwell) and he said, "ah, she dropped the boyfriend bomb on me, so I beat it". and I said, "oh well, you gave it the old college try!" and we laughed and cheersed (is that a word?)

(she was a bitch anyway, I could tell, she didn't even smile at my tomato)


I think you're looking for love in all the wrong places man. girls at clubs can be downright evil. I know this. I've been evil. I was also 18-21 years old and self-involved. I'm also sort of mean. still am. perhaps if I went to a club now, I'd still be a bitch. but I don't go, because they're filled with creeps, male and female.

p.s. YOU'RE THE BINT! BINT!

[befsquire]

i did skim. i couldn't help it. :o

i have my moments where i'm not at all pleasant to deal with, but that depends on how i'm approached. if i'm treated with respect, that is what i give in return, regardless of who it's coming from. i can understand a white lie to try to protect someone's feelings when letting them down gently. i can't specifically recall doing so, but i'm sure i must have because i think it takes a lot of balls to approach someone and take a risk and i don't want to make the dude feel bad about himself. and somehow, i think saying "i'm sure you're a perfectly great guy, just not the guy for me" wouldn't go over that well. of course, there wasn't that long of a period of time in my life where i was truly single.

anyway...

i try to stay away from generalizations of people on whatever basis. it seems like those situations start out as a discussion and then quickly deteriorate. (<------ generalization! lolz)

[Ace42X]

because IT WAS MY BOYFRIEND'S DOG!

When I was at university, despite living there, I could've told women who approached me "sorry, I'm not from around here!" - While strictly true, in that I wasn't local, it would still be a calculated deception.

I would have said the same thing to a woman.

Then why, precisely, are you mentioning it here for?

I was not in the mood for chatting.

You do know it is perfectly straightforward to put that sentiment into words, and express it to someone in conversation?

"Sorry, I'm not in the mood for chatting" is pretty straightforward, and there aren't any three-syllable words or alliteration to trip the tongue either.

and I was alone, what if he was a murderer?

Oh, come on! ANYONE could be a murderer. Whether someone who approaches you in a pub, or is a friend of a friend! By that argument you'd never talk to anyone!

Seriously, you bullshitted him "in the off chance he was a murderer!" - And saying it is your boyfriends dog, rather than you'd rather not talk, prevents him from trying to murder you HOW exactly?

I think it would have been much more rude to say, "hey, I don't feel like talking to you right now."

Why? Not only did he most likely infer this from your demeanour and what you said, but he ALSO got the message that you don't think he is worth being candid with! Surely common sense should tell you that is ruder.

What you mean is that you feel more COMFORTABLE lying to guys in situations like this, and you want to tell US that it is for OUR benefit. Bullshit. You lie because it makes you feel better, and you don't care that it is both rude and offensive to the guys you fob off with transparent excuses.

shit man, that guy was trying to flirt with me, I'm not stupid.

If I had money for every time I've heard THAT one...

I have guy friends, when a girl drops the "boyfriend bomb", they cut and run. I literally witnessed this two nights ago. I said to my friend, "what happened to your lady?" (a chick I saw him talking to in the stairwell) and he said, "ah, she dropped the boyfriend bomb on me, so I beat it".

"The boyfriend bomb" is a well known "girl-bullshit." That's why its even got a name for it. What you are saying there is "she blew him out, and rather than having the guts to do it honestly, she used a strategy of deception. You even had to have a comisseratory "laugh and cheer" about it to take some of the sting out of being treated poorly. Guys "cut and run" because, contrary to what you might think about 'sexually aggressive pavement cat-callers' most guys don't want to intrude on a chick's time / personal space, and will get the message, bitch-encoded though it is, all too clearly. And they don't want their indignation at this to seem like a case of "sour grapes" so they let is slide.

Seriously, I bet if you ask guys about it they'll say "that's just how women are." Like that somehow makes systematic dishonesty ok.

(she was a bitch anyway, I could tell,

Probably because she rebuffed your friend in a quite harsh manner.

I think you're looking for love in all the wrong places man. girls at clubs can be downright evil.

I didn't limit it to bars and clubs, although I did use them as examples to frame it. It is the same with girls on the train, or bus-stop.

I've been evil. I was also 18-21 years old and self-involved. I'm also sort of mean. still am. perhaps if I went to a club now, I'd still be a bitch. but I don't go, because they're filled with creeps, male and female.


Case in point - I am saying that you (as you seem to concur) are not unusual in this. Most women are like this right into middle age.

[Ace42X]

i can understand a white lie to try to protect someone's feelings when letting them down gently. i can't specifically recall doing so, but i'm sure i must have because i think it takes a lot of balls to approach someone and take a risk and i don't want to make the dude feel bad about himself. and somehow, i think saying "i'm sure you're a perfectly great guy, just not the guy for me" wouldn't go over that well.)

But it DOESN'T protect a guy's feelings. Seriously, the fact that I am posting here should indicate that we blatantly know those "little white lies" and can see them a mile off. So you're not "letting them down gently" - all they can get frm the little white lie is "you're not good enough for some non-descript reason, AND you don't even warrant a frank and open explanation."

[Ace42X]

so I neither know nor care how I was owned or pwned or whatever you say in your countries.

Hah, so thick she wouldn't know own3d if it dyed her moustache hair bright orange.

[befsquire]

ok.

of course, i was married forever, and then single for a bit, then met bobby. during the single for a bit period, i didn't do it because the truth was pretty much more than most of them wanted to deal with (i was still living with my then soon to be ex). otherwise, from age 19 on, whenever i said i have a boyfriend / fiance / husband it was always the truth. i never really stopped to consider whether anyone believed me or not when there wasn't a ring to prove up my status. there were a couple guys who didn't believe me when i said i had a boyfriend and he wasn't present at the time. so they'd ask "then where is he" and i'd reply "canada" and then they really didn't believe me. :(

[Ace42X]

there were a couple guys who didn't believe me when i said i had a boyfriend and he wasn't present at the time. so they'd ask "then where is he" and i'd reply "canada" and then they really didn't believe me. :(

Heh, I think you can hold your fellow women to blame for that one. I think every guy has, at some time, had "My boyfriend's at <someplace not here!>" and then seen the same chick with some other guy half an hour later. Ditto for the "sorry I'm a lesbian" crowd.

Must suck for the girls who use it when it is true, but what ya gonna do?

[befsquire]

And how I am the "NOOB" moron when I have been here since 2004 and you just got here this year, Mr. February 2006? Look in the upper right hand corner of my post or anyone's for that matter "noobie".
he's been here since at least april of 2003 that i'm aware of, and likely well before that. i just recall the apr 2003 in the corner of his old name.

[befsquire]

Heh, I think you can hold your fellow women to blame for that one. I think every guy has, at some time, had "My boyfriend's at <someplace not here!>" and then seen the same chick with some other guy half an hour later. Ditto for the "sorry I'm a lesbian" crowd.

Must suck for the girls who use it when it is true, but what ya gonna do?
ha! reminds me of this time a few years ago when my younger brother met this girl at a bar and she was wearing this shirt that said "my boyfriend's out of town." so, he ends up making out with her, only to find out through a mutual friend that her boyfriend was really just out of town.

[Ace42X]

Does Ace have a life?

Why yes, I do. It mainly consists of pointing out how empty that retort is coming from people replying to my posts (which I know you are reading anyway) using the self-same forum!

Didn't I just say in the previous post that I can't read anything he's posting because he is being blocked due to him being on my ignore list?

Yes, and I also know that stupid bitches like you can't resist the temptation to have a little looksee, which is why I am more than happy to insult your transparent and predictable ass here and now, knowing full well you'll look, see it, and feel like a dumb cow.

And, I get he added bonus of proving that I know you better than you know yourself, illustrating why I can make talk about you without even meeting you, and still maintain an alarming degree of accuracy!

[Sarky Devotchka]

I think that my friend believed that she had a boyfriend. as for my beach scenario, I suppose I just wasn't thinking that hard about it overall and it wasn't my intention to make anyone feel bad or less than. how I reacted and what I said was not calculated or cold, but I suppose my tone came off as defensive.

this whole thing is getting ridiculous. "oh poor men, poor men, they have it soooo rough!" right. everyone has it rough, just in different ways.

and I've approached dudes before and been blown off. it sucks. but it happens. get the fuck over it and try with someone else. I've had a guy say to his friend while passing and pointing at me, "she's hot" and his friend responded with, "yeah, maybe 20 pounds lighter". and then they both laughed.

the point of all this is that yes, men and women are disrespectful towards in eachother in many different ways. it's just that when men are disrespectful, it leans more towards threatening and is often more insulting than white lies.

[Ace42X]

it's just that when men are disrespectful, it leans more towards threatening and is often more insulting than white lies.

Certainly when it comes to cat-calling in the street, etc etc it is. That goes without saying. But my point is, and was, that it is not surprising that a lot of men don't know how to approach women, as (faithbanks unwittingly demonstrated) they don't even know how men should approach them.

And it has got to a point where a man approaching you "could be a murderer!" so you won't even be honest about not wanting to talk to him! You imagine trying to approach guys, not only worrying about your appearance, and being taken seriously when you have to do all the work of the conversation, but *also* worried that they are thinking you are a murderer and are going to whip out the mace and scream rape when totally unprovoked!

So yeah, while this in now way legitimises or justifies or mitigates it, it is not surprising that the worst section of men treat women poorly, afterall - they are not too far seperated from the primates we evolved from and as such are the least able to cope with the insulting games women feel obliged to play with our feelings and heads as a matter of course.

[TurdBerglar]

no

it's "her"

[Ace42X]

Blah

Translation: I'm a total dumbass who is still desperately trying to find a way out of the pit she's dug herself.

SHOP LIFT A LADDER THEN, FAITHY!

[befsquire]

I have no idea what his old name is. On the internet, how do we really know that that old name is really the same person with a new name ? And furthermore, why did he even have to get a new name? Obviously he did something foolish and got banned...if it really is "him".
does it really matter?

[fucktopgirl]

The truth is that morons, manipulators and liar exist in both camp equally!

[Sarky Devotchka]

hey ace, someone just got murdered last night in the alley just a hop skip and a jump down the road. I could throw a rock from my porch and hit the crime scene. and I'm pretty sure I just heard a gunshot a few minutes ago.

I SUSPECT THAT EVERYONE IS A MURDERER AND/OR RAPIST.

because they lurk, oh do they lurk.

[Ace42X]

because they lurk, oh do they lurk.

Ok, I did forget that you live in a bubo on the prolapsed surface of a shit-hole, and most people you meet are probably potential murderers. Here, that sort of thing doesn't happen.

[Sarky Devotchka]

yes, but I have a fireplace!

[Ace42X]

yes, but I have a fireplace!

We had a fireplace at university. Lighting it was a bugger, especially with damp logs. But boy was it awesome having a big roaring fire and a fat conical bifta on the go, while playing GTA Vice City. <sigh>

[Sarky Devotchka]

oh nice, our fireplace is actually plugged up and not for fires anymore. but it's quite lovely to look at. there's a ship engraved above the hearth under the mantel and built-ins with glass on either side for storing trinkets and (in our case) dvds/videos.

[like2_drink]

i'd just like to say thank you for the new sig.:D (y)

[na§tee]

ha, i've never been anyone's signature before. i don't think i've even been quotable before. loves it!