But it's NOT RACIST!!...

[Qdrop]

http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/cvs.asp

In some CVS stores, security tags were found on African-American hair care products but not on other sorts of hair care products:

In early May 2006, this denunciation of racial profiling by pharmacy giant CVS began circulating on the Internet. According to news segments we found, the charge appears to have a basis of truth — in some CVS stores television news reporters visited, only hair care products meant for African-American consumers were security-tagged; the other kinds available on the shelves bore no such
tags.

As reported by News Channel 7 in Spartanburg, SC: "We bought hair care products from the CVS/pharmacy store in Boiling Springs. The hair relaxers for African American women have security tags. Similar, more expensive hair straighteners for Caucasian women did not" and "We bought these boxes of 'Just Five' hair color from the same shelf at at the CVS store on Chesnee Highway in Spartanburg. The two for African American women have security tags. The one for Caucasian women, no tag."

However, it was pointed out this had not been the case in every CVS visited. "That's two out of three CVS stores in Spartanburg and one out of eleven CVS stores in Greenville. The other CVS stores tagged hair products for both whites and blacks, or none of them."

A similar piece aired on 5 KCTV in Kansas City, MO. According to its investigation of ten area CVS stores (Olathe, Shawnee, Mission, KCK, Prairie Village, KCMO, Northland, and Independence), security labels were affixed only to products designed for African Americans. The investigation found the same practices were not used at other drug stores like Osco and Walgreen's.

When called upon by the reporters from each of these news agencies to answer their findings, CVS explained it places security tags on products that are shoplifted the most.

The South Carolina NAACP plans to ask CVS to change the way it tags its hair products.

but it's not racist!
again: CVS explained it places security tags on products that are shoplifted the most.
no matter what the products are or who buys them.

basically, NAACP is telling CVS to hide embarrassing statistics on minority crimes. see no evil, etc...

[Waus]

A lot of wasted time and money with no product.

Think of all the reporters who got paid to do articles on it. All the surveyors who were paid to check which products had tags. NAACP has people right now getting paid to figure out what they'll say to their representative.

All glaring cognitive dissonance, going through the motions instead of trying to create solutions to the problem of shoplifting/poverty.

[Qdrop]

A lot of wasted time and money with no product.

Think of all the reporters who got paid to do articles on it. All the surveyors who were paid to check which products had tags. NAACP has people right now getting paid to figure out what they'll say to their representative.

All glaring cognitive dissonance, going through the motions instead of trying to create solutions to the problem of shoplifting/poverty.

it's finding racism where there is none, to justify thier own (NAACP) existance....or to justify thier anger at other races.

[Bob]

at first i thought this was going to be one of those topics, where it gets 5 pages of replies in the first 10 minutes, and all of them are angry at you

but yeah, i agree with you, actually.

edit: whoops! not about that last reply. i don't know enough about the NAACP's history to agree or disagree with that and back it up

[Qdrop]

at first i thought this was going to be one of those topics, where it gets 5 pages of replies in the first 10 minutes, and all of them are angry at you

but yeah, i agree with you, actually.

when have i posted anything racist or pro-racist in any way on this board?

[Waus]

it's finding racism where there is none, to justify thier own (NAACP) existance....or to justify thier anger at other races.

Right, I agree. I just wish they'd justify their existence by promoting programs that counter-act the poverty that leads to shoplifting, instead of twisting statistics to support their false racism claims. There'd be a lot more money for programs like that if they didn't waste so much paying people to lobby company policies and conduct studies to get this kind of information.

[Bob]

when have i posted anything racist or pro-racist in any way on this board?

you haven't, as far as i know. it's just that your threads in general usually get very heated, i don't know

[Qdrop]

Right, I agree. I just wish they'd justify their existence by promoting programs that counter-act the poverty that leads to shoplifting, instead of twisting statistics to support their false racism claims. There'd be a lot more money for programs like that if they didn't waste so much paying people to lobby company policies and conduct studies to get this kind of information.

word to that.

[Qdrop]

you haven't, as far as i know. it's just that your threads in general usually get very heated, i don't know

you're calling me a racist, aren't you?









i'm calling the NAACP....

[g-mile7]

NAACP has fallen off over the years. It's a known fact.

[roosta]

Let your Soul Glo! (http://letyoursoulglo.ytmnd.com/)

[Qdrop]

Let your Soul Glo! (http://letyoursoulglo.ytmnd.com/)

#1 stolen product at CVS...

but don't tell anyone. and don't act upon it.
or, you're racist.

[Pres Zount]

when have i posted anything racist or pro-racist in any way on this board?
well there was that time that you tried to convince me that racism was "hard wired" into everyones brain.

[TimDoolan]

In some CVS stores, security tags were found on African-American hair care products but not on other sorts of hair care products.


Haha. I was at suncoast video with my friends and we noticed that all of the black comedies, especially Ice Cube's Friday trilogy, were all encased in heavy thick plastic. The other dvd's had no protective cases. The store told us that those are the movies that get stolen the most, I though it was pretty bogus but funny at the same time.

[zorra_chiflada]

with security tags - put them on all items, or none at all. just picking some out seems really silly.

[GetYourWarOn]

cvs sucks

[GetYourWarOn]

the fact that they're putting anti theft devices on products that are sold exluscively to african-americans does seem a little insensitive.

[TurdBerglar]

with security tags - put them on all items, or none at all. just picking some out seems really silly.


it must cost money to put security tags one products. why waste money on tags for things that don't get stolen? it's bussiness!

[zorra_chiflada]

it must cost money to put security tags one products. why waste money on tags for things that don't get stolen? it's bussiness!

well, i dunno, if i was a manager, i'd do something more clever. i don't know what. but i would.

[GetYourWarOn]

it must cost money to put security tags one products. why waste money on tags for things that don't get stolen? it's bussiness!


those security tags are like 100 for a dollar.

[TurdBerglar]

any type of convinience/grocery store only makes like a quarter of a penny out of every dollar sold. the majority of the money made goes back to buying more product and paying employees. needless to say any money saved is a huge plus.

[GetYourWarOn]

any type of convinience/grocery store only makes like a quarter of a penny out of every dollar sold. the majority of the money made goes back to buying more product and paying employees. needless to say any money saved is a huge plus.

yeah, but most of those security tags are reusable. it would be a good investment for them to put them on everything they sold.

[TurdBerglar]

they won't but things that are not needed. money beats racism any day

[Qdrop]

it must cost money to put security tags one products. why waste money on tags for things that don't get stolen? it's bussiness!

(y)

[Qdrop]

well there was that time that you tried to convince me that racism was "hard wired" into everyones brain.

racism is a byproduct of innate behaviors within us all, yes.

if you wanna debate that AGAIN, i could AGAIN fuckin own your ass on the topic....

[zorra_chiflada]

racism is a byproduct of innate behaviors within us all, yes.

if you wanna debate that AGAIN, i could AGAIN fuckin own your ass on the topic....

that's not what you said.
and there certainly wasn't any ownage. that would be phantom ownage.

[Qdrop]

that's not what you said.


yes it was.

kinship, group mentality, classification and visual organization....this is what stereotyping/xenophobia/racism is...where it comes from.
and it's innate in all of us thanks to evolution.

i win.

[zorra_chiflada]

no, i believe you said "racism is hard-wired" which means that we're all racists. which means you're admitting that you are.

you can't win! cos i quit!...or something.

[avignon]

I just wish they'd justify their existence by promoting programs that counter-act the poverty that leads to shoplifting,
This is thinking outside of the box. FIX the problem instead of bickering over what to name it. (y)

[Qdrop]

no, i believe you said "racism is hard-wired"

in the respect i stated, yes..racism is hardwired.
so is hitting people when you get angry.
so is audultrous/polygomous behavior.

but, with out ability to consciously choose....we can out-think and overcome this.


which means that we're all racists. which means you're admitting that you are.

see, this is typical overtly-liberal thinking.
people see the word "innate" or "natural" and start think "determinist".

"YOU SAID IT'S HARDWIRED...SO WE'RE ALL RACISTS! IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?! THAT YOU'RE A RACIST AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO!!?!"

[zorra_chiflada]

see, this is typical overtly-liberal thinking.
people see the word "innate" or "natural" and start think "determinist".

"YOU SAID IT'S HARDWIRED...SO WE'RE ALL RACISTS! IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?! THAT YOU'RE A RACIST AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO!!?!"

not really, it's more drawing conclusions from what you've said.

[Qdrop]

not really, it's more drawing conclusions from what you've said.

innaccurate, ignorant conclusions...yes.

congrats.

[avignon]

I don't think that racism is hardwired. I think that the inclination to separate people into groups that are quickly (visually) indentifiable is hardwired. Whether or not that leads to discriminating attitudes is learned.

[zorra_chiflada]

innaccurate, ignorant conclusions...yes.

congrats.

well stop saying innaccurate, ignorant things.

[tracky]

I honestly don't know why you even bother engaging him in a debate, since in his mind he's always the winner :rolleyes:

[Qdrop]

well stop saying innaccurate, ignorant things.
exactly what was inaccurate or ignorant in my posts?

[Qdrop]

I don't think that racism is hardwired. I think that the inclination to separate people into groups that are quickly (visually) indentifiable is hardwired. Whether or not that leads to discriminating attitudes is learned. or chosen.

[zorra_chiflada]

exactly what was inaccurate or ignorant in my posts?

your mother

[Qdrop]

your mother

ah...been studying in the ACE42x School for Debating, i see...

[Bob]

your mother

but i thought it wasn't a hereditary thing! HMMMMMM

[zorra_chiflada]

ah...been studying in the ACE42x School for Debating, i see...

ace studies me. GET A CLUE GIRLFRIEND

[Bob]

ace studies me. GET A CLUE GIRLFRIEND

from his bedroom window, with a telescope

[tracky]

QDrop's School for Debating

Lesson #1 - You are always right. Even when you're wrong.

Lesson #2 - Never give up. Wear your opponent down. Even when you're wrong.

Lession #3 - You have to be able to do that thing with your eyebrow

[Bob]

QDrop's School for Debating

Lesson #1 - You are always right. Even when you're wrong.

Lesson #2 - Never give up. Wear your opponent down. Even when you're wrong.

Lession #3 - You have to be able to do that thing with your eyebrow

like steven colbert, only for serious

[Extra Cheese]

they should stop carrying those products all together, that would really keep them niggers away!!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAWWWW!!!!

[Qdrop]

QDrop's School for Debating

Lesson #1 - You are always right. Even when you're wrong.

Lesson #2 - Never give up. Wear your opponent down. Even when you're wrong.

Lession #3 - You have to be able to do that thing with your eyebrow

yet another shallow, predictable attempt at satire....

it's so easy to SAY i'm wrong....yet virtually none of you have even been able to systematically prove it in the past.
you just stick to personal attacks and these make-believe hindsight assertions that i'm always wrong but refuse to admit it.
some people never progress past age 10 when it comes to debate.

[Bob]

some people never progress past age 10 when it comes to debate.

you fuckin owned everyone's ass on that topic

[Qdrop]

you fuckin owned everyone's ass on that topic

OOO00000OOO000OOOOOOOHHHHHH....

[g-mile7]

yet another shallow, predictable attempt at satire....

it's so easy to SAY i'm wrong....yet virtually none of you have even been able to systematically prove it in the past.
you just stick to personal attacks and these make-believe hindsight assertions that i'm always wrong but refuse to admit it.
some people never progress past age 10 when it comes to debate.



hahaha, points for that.

[marsdaddy]

How anti-PC is everyone to say "it's business, not racism"? Are we talking $ or # of items? I'm sure there are more $ lost to "accounting errors" than shoplifting.

What about check scammers? Most of them are (insert over generalization here), so let's profile them.

[Nuzzolese]

Where does the element of customer service/satisfaction enter into the profit equation? I know that some copanies will factor in some loss when making decisions about store layout and security because they have decided that satisfying more customers - and having a good public image - outweighs losses from certain customers or stores.

Then again, big chains (like best buy) that make a lot of money anyway are starting to cut back on customer service/Public image concern and care more about dollars...because they're so big that they have the room to do it.

I wonder where CVS gets most of its profits and which items are they most dependent on. For example, I wonder if the photo processing and pharmacy are the biggest profit makers. Seems like they would cost the most too, for equipment, materials and training.

I guess cosmetics have the biggest markup and are their most relied-upon products for profits. So maybe other things are shoplifted more (candy, toys, whatever) but they decided that hair care products are a bigger loss because their markup is bigger.

I don't really know. Seems reasonable for business but also a little fishy. I'd like to know what other things they put security devices on.

[avignon]

I have the feeling that the biggest losses businesses incurr come from embezzlement in the upper levels of executives. (The retail company I work for loses only 10% of the cost of each item it can't sell. The manufacturers lose 90%.)

[Nuzzolese]

That could be true. But on the retail store level, a manager or regional manager can only do so much. They're given a job to do which is to make money for their region or store. So their decisions can only be based on the losses and profits of their corner of the business.

I think.

I know very little.

[Qdrop]

How anti-PC is everyone to say "it's business, not racism"? Are we talking $ or # of items? I'm sure there are more $ lost to "accounting errors" than shoplifting.

What about check scammers? Most of them are (insert over generalization here), so let's profile them.


how is this "profiling"?

CVS puts security tags on the items that are stolen the most.

that's it.

who buys those products does not matter.

the sad thing here....is that if people TRULY want to take the next step in abolishing or reducing racism....it starts by ADMITING THAT WHAT CVS IS DOING IS NOT RACIST....
not by forcing them to hide such actions because sensitive people might percieve that racist.

a big part of the perpetuation of racism is not simply ignorant racist thoughts being taught to upcoming generations....
but also the refusal of people to openly debate,the suppression of reality out of fear of sensitivity, and the ridiculous faux-heroic attempts of people trying to galantly "prove" they are not racist by accusing others or attacking any topic or action that even resembles racial undertones.
like the fuckin salem witch trials.

[g-mile7]

how is this "profiling"?

CVS puts security tags on the items that are stolen the most.

that's it.

who buys those products does not matter.

the sad thing here....is that if people TRULY want to take the next step in abolishing or reducing racism....it starts by ADMITING THAT WHAT CVS IS DOING IS NOT RACIST....
not by forcing them to hide such actions because sensitive people might percieve that racist.

a big part of the perpetuation of racism is not simply ignorant racist thoughts being taught to upcoming generations....
but also the refusal of people to openly debate,the suppression of reality out of fear of sensitivity, and the ridiculous faux-heroic attempts of people trying to galantly "prove" they are not racist by accusing others or attacking any topic or action that even resembles racial undertones.
like the fuckin salem witch trials.


woah lets not get carried away now though.....

[Qdrop]

woah lets not get carried away now though.....

i'm dead fuckin serious.

it think the "who's racist? i'm not racist! He's racist! I'll claim they're/that's racist and that will show that i am not racist" thing is really no differant then the salem witch trials.

and equally ridiculous.

[tracky]

you're a towel

[g-mile7]

i'm dead fuckin serious.

it think the "who's racist? i'm not racist! He's racist! I'll claim they're/that's racist and that will show that i am not racist" thing is really no differant then the salem witch trials.

and equally ridiculous.


Racism:real
Witches casting spells on Betty Crokcet so she sleeps with Joe Smith's Wife: Propagana and Hysteria.

Racism is more occuring then many think, maybe this particular instance you list is not racist, but racism/discrimniation exist..........things like this just makes it easier for people to brush off real acts of racism and say he's playing the "race card".

[Nuzzolese]

Maybe comparing it to McCarthyism would be better? But still stupid.

[Qdrop]

Maybe comparing it to McCarthyism would be better? But still stupid.

McCarthyism works too.


and it's not stupid.

[Nuzzolese]

But there isn't a nationwide unspoken agreement towards loyalty to open-mindedness as if there were a nationwide unspoken agreement towards loyalty to democracy.

[Nuzzolese]

I used to work in a bookstore and people would complain visciously about the political bias of the store layout and the merchandise - as far as which authors we displayed prominantly, which magazines were easiest to find and adequately stocked.

Managers always said they had no political agenda, they catered to the demand of the customers.

Everyone wants to feel like they are being personally catered to, that their interests are being served by the places they patronize.

It's funny though, the things that people find important are so vain and shallow. Do the mirrors make me look fat, do the security devices reflect my views on society, do they display my favorite authors at the front of the store or in the back?

Businesses are such sellout slaves to money, they don't have any identity, they don't have any values besides profit. There's no one you can get mad at or blame, and if you try to change things you're not dealing with real people or personal issues, you're dealing with a force...a force of commerce, with complicated protocol and inticate levels of command through which you have to navigate to get anything across.

I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore. Fuck it, go to Walgreens.

[Bob]

basically, the invisible hand of the market belongs to a racist cracka

[Nuzzolese]

basically, the invisible hand of the market belongs to a racist cracka

I always assumed you knew all about this kind of thing. Political Science and stuff.

[Bob]

I always assumed you knew all about this kind of thing. Political Science and stuff.

that's actually what they teach you. how to be racist, but maintain plausible deniability.

god only knows what they teach the business majors!

[GetYourWarOn]

im not sure if it's racist or not, but it's definitley dumb to think you could do something like this and not have it be a PR nightmare for your company.

[Qdrop]

But there isn't a nationwide unspoken agreement towards loyalty to open-mindedness

shouldn't there be?


plus, you're kinda confusing the analogy now...

[Bob]

are you now, or have you ever been, a racist?

[Qdrop]

I used to work in a bookstore and people would complain visciously about the political bias of the store layout and the merchandise - as far as which authors we displayed prominantly, which magazines were easiest to find and adequately stocked.

Managers always said they had no political agenda, they catered to the demand of the customers.

Everyone wants to feel like they are being personally catered to, that their interests are being served by the places they patronize.

It's funny though, the things that people find important are so vain and shallow. Do the mirrors make me look fat, do the security devices reflect my views on society, do they display my favorite authors at the front of the store or in the back?

Businesses are such sellout slaves to money, they don't have any identity, they don't have any values besides profit. There's no one you can get mad at or blame, and if you try to change things you're not dealing with real people or personal issues, you're dealing with a force...a force of commerce, with complicated protocol and inticate levels of command through which you have to navigate to get anything across.


you're absolutely correct...which is why it's fucking absurd to think CVS is consciously trying to make a racist commitment to alientate and spotlight black patrons just because they're black.

"hey, we all know black steal stuff more often...so lets only security tag the "black products"....to stop those blackies...and then let's pretend it's 1959, cause you know, that's good for business in 2006"

fucking absurd.

[Qdrop]

are you now, or have you ever been, a racist?

senator, i refuse to answer that question because it is patently absurd...

Good night, and good luck.

[g-mile7]

you're absolutely correct...which is why it's fucking absurd to think CVS is consciously trying to make a racist commitment to alientate and spotlight black patrons just because they're black.

"hey, we all know black steal stuff more often...so lets only security tag the "black products"....to stop those blackies...and then let's pretend it's 1959, cause you know, that's good for business in 2006"

fucking absurd.


Well people are fucking absurd....even when moneys involved for example:


The managing director of Cristal champagne is scratching his head over the product’s heavy presence in hip hop.

The expensive beverage was the 8th most mentioned brand on Billboard's Top 100 chart in 2005 with 35 namedrops, according to AmericanBrandstand.com. The company, however, views its embrace by the hip hop community with "curiosity and serenity."

In a special edition of The Economist Magazine, the managing director of Louis Roderer Cristal described the rap community’s promotion of the drink as “unwelcome attention.”

“What can we do?” said managing director Frédéric Rouzaud in the article titled Bubbles & Bling. “We can't forbid people from buying it. I'm sure Dom Perignon or Krug would be delighted to have their business."

The brand has been mentioned in songs by such artists as Jay-Z, Kanye West, Trina, Lloyd Banks, The Game and Mariah Carey

as a result:

In response to comments made by Frederic Rouzaud, the managing director of Louis Roderer Cristal, Jay-Z and his upscale sports lounge, The 40/40 Club, have announced that they will no longer be serving Cristal Champagne and Jay-Z will further help lead the boycott against Cristal Champagne in the world of hip-hop.

Despite loyal patronage by Jay-Z, his clientele, and the entire hip-hop community, Rouzaud said in a special edition of The Economist magazine that the company observes its association with the rap world with "curiosity and serenity."

Even though Jay and other rappers continually support the brand by including Cristal in their lyrics, as Jay did in his number 1 hit "Hard Knock Life," Rouzaud has labeled the name-checks as "unwelcome attention."


so yep.

[Qdrop]

im not sure if it's racist or not, but it's definitley dumb to think you could do something like this and not have it be a PR nightmare for your company.

it's also dumb to go searching through pharmacy stores looking for supposed acts of racism, to make your life seem more meaninful.

these are probably the same people who think Snapple is racist because the graphics on thier bottles supposedly showed slave ships (they were depicting the boston tea party) and that the kosher symbol is actualy code for the KKK.
i'm not shitting you, they interviewed these people on Dateline.

[g-mile7]

Well people are fucking absurd....even when moneys involved for example:


The managing director of Cristal champagne is scratching his head over the product’s heavy presence in hip hop.



as a result:

In


so yep.


French champagne house Louis Roederer has released a statement in response to Island Def Jam president Jay-Z, who called the company racist and launched a boycott of its product Cristal after learning of anti-hip hop remarks made by its managing director Frederic Rouzaud.

In The Economist magazine, Rouzaud expressed ambivalent feelings about Cristal’s heavy use and promotion by hip hop artists, and stated he viewed the champagne’s popularity among rappers with "curiosity and serenity." The comment led Jay-Z to announce Wednesday he will no longer serve Cristal in his 40/40 clubs and will "lead a boycott in the world of hip-hop."

"I view his comments as racist and will no longer support any of his products," Jay-Z said.

Responding against the racism allegations, the 230-year-old company released a statement calling Jay-Z’s remarks "unfounded."

"A house like Louis Roederer would not have existed since 1776 without being totally open and tolerant to all forms of culture and art, including the most recent musical and fashion styles which -- like hiphop -- keep us in touch with modernity," it said.



there you go Q, sure this will add fire'

[Nuzzolese]

Oh, the French are totally racist. Everyone knows that. Did you hear what they did to Oprah?

On a serious note, what's so bad about curiosity and serenity?

And since when did Hip hip represent the entire African American... African -whatever community? You can be anti-hip hop but not racist, can't you?

I mean, I wouldn't care if someone like Amy Grant made a statement about being against some company who didn't like her.

[g-mile7]

Oh, the French are totally racist. Everyone knows that. Did you hear what they did to Oprah?

On a serious note, what's so bad about curiosity and serenity?

And since when did Hip hip represent the entire African American... African -whatever community? You can be anti-hip hop but not racist, can't you?

I mean, I wouldn't care if someone like Amy Grant made a statement about being against some company who didn't like her.


It's the fact that Cristal goes to make comments like that when hip-hop (which is mostly African-American) stars have endrosed the drink. It seems that they want to keep the drink for the high class that don't have negative sterotypes attached to it. The glass can be half full and half empty depending how you look at it.

[Yeti]

Oh, the French are totally racist. Everyone knows that. Did you hear what they did to Oprah?

What did they do? If it was bad I like it.

[Nuzzolese]

It's the fact that Cristal goes to make comments like that when hip-hop (which is mostly African-American) stars have endrosed the drink. It seems that they want to keep the drink for the high class that don't have negative sterotypes attached to it. The glass can be half full and half empty depending how you look at it.

I get what's going on I just think the negative stereotypes associated with hip hop aren't confined to racist issues. I mean, it's jumping to some conclusions to summarize Cristal's distaste for hip hop as being a distaste for African Americans. I'm trying to think in specific, logical, political science major terms.

[Nuzzolese]

What did they do? If it was bad I like it.

They wouldn't let her into Cartier because she was all dogged up. She was having a Cartier emergency.

[Yeti]

They wouldn't let her into Cartier because she was all dogged up.

Oh, I remember. I think they were closed and she wanted them to stay late.
An oppressed Oprah makes me happy.

[g-mile7]

I get what's going on I just think the negative stereotypes associated with hip hop aren't confined to racist issues. I mean, it's jumping to some conclusions to summarize Cristal's distaste for hip hop as being a distaste for African Americans. I'm trying to think in specific, logical, political science major terms.


It is jumping to conclusions to some extent, but the words used by the CEO were not thought out in those terms you have used above. You can make the connection that its distaste could be that fact, but thats just one side of many arguments. It's certainly not based on sales, since you would think sales have been up since rappers mentioned it (at least in the black community). Hell I didnt know what Alize was or Cristal till I heard about both in rap form (and thought it was more expenisive then it really is once I dsicovered it).

[Nuzzolese]

Maybe in French it doesn't sound so bad.

[g-mile7]

Maybe in French it doesn't sound so bad.


Maybe I should ask my grandmother then......might a conflict for her since she half black and french (creole)

[pshabi]

with security tags - put them on all items, or none at all. just picking some out seems really silly.
If you had a business, a store say, and you had 10k items that you stocked your shelves with.

Now let's say, out of the 10k, about 100 products were stolen very frequently. Would you want to spend your profits protecting shit like toothpicks and bubble gum, when they weren't stolen ever?

[g-mile7]

If you had a business, a store say, and you had 10k items that you stocked your shelves with.

Now let's say, out of the 10k, about 100 products were stolen very frequently. Would you want to spend your profits protecting shit like toothpicks and bubble gum, when they weren't stolen ever?


I don't see why they don't just move the more frequently stolen stuff to the front. I mean I am sure they also have cameras and dectators of some sort at the fornt of the door....hell we have 2, count em 2 CVS' in Baton Rouge and both have secruity guards placed in front of each door. Maybe thats just cause of the ghetto flava of Baton Rouge, but their are other ways.

[pshabi]

I don't see why they don't just move the more frequently stolen stuff to the front. I mean I am sure they also have cameras and dectators of some sort at the fornt of the door....hell we have 2, count em 2 CVS' in Baton Rouge and both have secruity guards placed in front of each door. Maybe thats just cause of the ghetto flava of Baton Rouge, but their are other ways.
The gas station I live near has their Visine behind the counter, along with some other frequently stolen items that can fit in a pocket easily.

I'm w/ QDrop. People digging up things to call "racist" are actually the one's perpertuating racism. I just live my life and tell my kids, "Hey, there are lots of messed up people in this world. Good people and bad people, from all walks of life."

If you're a fuck, I'll call you a fuck. Not a whitefuck or blackfuck.

You fucking fucks.

[Pres Zount]

Like toothpicks and bubblegum.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/cvs.asp

In some CVS stores, security tags were found on African-American hair care products but not on other sorts of hair care products:

In early May 2006, this denunciation of racial profiling by pharmacy giant CVS began circulating on the Internet. According to news segments we found, the charge appears to have a basis of truth — in some CVS stores television news reporters visited, only hair care products meant for African-American consumers were security-tagged; the other kinds available on the shelves bore no such
tags.

As reported by News Channel 7 in Spartanburg, SC: "We bought hair care products from the CVS/pharmacy store in Boiling Springs. The hair relaxers for African American women have security tags. Similar, more expensive hair straighteners for Caucasian women did not" and "We bought these boxes of 'Just Five' hair color from the same shelf at at the CVS store on Chesnee Highway in Spartanburg. The two for African American women have security tags. The one for Caucasian women, no tag."

However, it was pointed out this had not been the case in every CVS visited. "That's two out of three CVS stores in Spartanburg and one out of eleven CVS stores in Greenville. The other CVS stores tagged hair products for both whites and blacks, or none of them."

A similar piece aired on 5 KCTV in Kansas City, MO. According to its investigation of ten area CVS stores (Olathe, Shawnee, Mission, KCK, Prairie Village, KCMO, Northland, and Independence), security labels were affixed only to products designed for African Americans. The investigation found the same practices were not used at other drug stores like Osco and Walgreen's.

When called upon by the reporters from each of these news agencies to answer their findings, CVS explained it places security tags on products that are shoplifted the most.

The South Carolina NAACP plans to ask CVS to change the way it tags its hair products.

but it's not racist!
again: CVS explained it places security tags on products that are shoplifted the most.
no matter what the products are or who buys them.

basically, NAACP is telling CVS to hide embarrassing statistics on minority crimes. see no evil, etc...

But it can be perceived as racism. If I walked into that store and noticed that Black hair products had security tags on them and white ones didn’t I would think “That’s pretty messed up” and I’m almost willing to bet that instead of assuring me that “hey guy, it’s okay. We only put tags on the products that get stolen the most” the staff would be more like “keep an eye on that dude… he has a shaved head but DARNIT those Black hair products just aren’t safe with him around!”

Anyone who couldn’t understand that the perception (and the probable encouragement) of racism exists in that environment is simply in denial. And in this so called politically correct society, perception plays a very important role.

[Qdrop]

But it can be perceived as racism.
tough shit.
truth over sensitivety.


If I walked into that store and noticed that Black hair products had security tags on them and white ones didn’t I would think “That’s pretty messed up” and I’m almost willing to bet that instead of assuring me that “hey guy, it’s okay. We only put tags on the products that get stolen the most” the staff would be more like “keep an eye on that dude… he has a shaved head but DARNIT those Black hair products just aren’t safe with him around!”


it is people like YOU that perpetuate racism.
just as much as the "deep south hillbilly" who calls black people "boy" and says "theys sure is stupider than whites..."

[Ally Al]

this is the full article from the economist, allhiphop misquoted , for anyone who wants to read it


http://www.economist.com/intelligentlife/luxury/displayStory.cfm?story_id=6905921


Bubbles and bling

Gideon Rachman
From Intelligent Life, Summer 2006

Krug/Getty Images/Louis Roederer





Serious champagne drinkers sip only the prestige cuvées produced by a handful of winemakers. But at up to $600 a bottle, it pays to be a dictator or a pop-star

WINSTON CHURCHILL was a Pol Roger man. Madonna and Gérard Depardieu are devotees of Krug. James Bond drank Dom Pérignon in the novels, although he had switched to Bollinger by the time he made it to the silver screen. The Russian tsars adored Louis Roederer’s Cristal, a taste that is shared today by rap singers Sean “P.Diddy” Combs (Puff Daddy) and Snoop Dogg. Welcome to the world of prestige cuvées—the very best and most expensive of champagnes, which go for anything from $100 to over $600 a bottle.

When ordinary mortals want to celebrate, the question is less likely to be Cristal or Krug, than whether to drink champagne or sparkling wine. Once the choice is made in favour of real champagne—produced only in the Champagne region of north-eastern France—it becomes a question of brand. Should you go for one of the big reliable names like Moët & Chandon or Veuve Clicquot; or maybe something a bit cheaper or more adventurous from a lesser known grower? If you feel like splashing out, you might plump for a vintage champagne. But for a select band of people—a mixture of champagne fanatics and the super rich—only the very best will do. Thus the need for “prestige cuvées”.

Just who these ultra-fancy champagnes are aimed at is a slightly sensitive issue. Cristal was originally created exclusively for the Russian tsars. Jean-Claude Rouzaud, who managed the Louis Roederer winery until his retirement earlier this year, once said: “We make our champagne for that 3-5% of consumers who really know wine, and who take the time to taste it correctly.”



Unwelcome attention
The reality is rather different, at least in the United States. Today, the most high-profile consumers of Cristal are rap artists, whose taste for swigging bubbly in clubs is less a sign of a refined palate than a passion for a “bling-bling” lifestyle that includes ten-carat diamond studs, chunky gold jewellery, pimped up Caddies and sensuous women. In his number one hit “Hard Knock Life”, Jay-Z raps, “Let’s sip the Cris and get pissy-pissy”. Cristal has been so visible at Mr Combs’s concerts that onlookers have wondered whether the venerable champagne house was sponsoring the event.

In fact, the attitude of the house of Roederer to the unexpected popularity of Cristal among rappers is considerably more circumspect. Frédéric Rouzaud, who took over from his father as managing-director of the winery in January, says that Roederer has observed its association with rap with “curiosity and serenity”. But he does not seem entirely serene. Asked if an association between Cristal and the bling lifestyle could actually hurt the brand, he replies: “That’s a good question, but what can we do? We can’t forbid people from buying it. I’m sure Dom Pérignon or Krug would be delighted to have their business.”



The attitude of the house of Roederer to the unexpected popularity of Cristal among rappers is considerably more circumspect.


Both Dom Pérignon and Krug have had their share of unwelcome attention, too. The late President Mobutu of Zaire, a notoriously profligate dictator, was said to be a devotee of Dom Pérignon’s rosé champagne. Naturally enough, Rémi Krug, the chairman of the champagne house, prefers to emphasise the more cultured devotees of Krug—drinkers, like the late Ernest Hemingway or the painter Francis Bacon, who are “creative individualists who never follow the crowd, and have strong tastes of their own.”

As is the case with other luxury brands, some consumers are nevertheless motivated more by the sheer ostentation of the product. For many years, the most famous consumer of Krug in Britain was Jeffrey Archer, a novelist, politician—and, ultimately, prison inmate, after being convicted for perjury. His insistence on serving Krug, and nothing but Krug, to guests at his summer parties was regarded as a tad flashy—a little like his reported instructions to guests about how to find the lavatory (“Past the Picasso, left at the Matisse”).



Sanctified by history
Along with certain other luxury items, the prestige champagnes can afford to shrug off this kind of thing, because they are sanctified by an aura of history and tradition. But actually the idea of a prestige cuvée is a relatively recent one. Champagne was being made from the early 18th century, but it was not until 1876 that Tsar Alexander II hit upon the idea of having a special champagne made for his own exclusive use.

The tsar was annoyed that his champagne looked and tasted identical to that drunk by his courtiers. He wanted a wine that was made with particular care, in a flashier and more distinctive packaging. And so Cristal was created, a particularly fine champagne in a clear bottle of crystal glass with a gold label. The design, which made Tsar Alexander one of the earliest exponents of bling, had a practical advantage: the clear crystal glass made it easier to check whether the champagne had been poisoned.



The tsar wanted a wine that was made with particular care, in flashier and more distinctive packaging. And so Cristal was created.


Because Cristal was made for the exclusive use of the tsars, it disappeared after 1917, along with the Russian monarchy. The first prestige cuvée to reach the general public was Dom Pérignon, which was produced by Moët & Chandon, and went on a sale in 1936—in the midst of the Depression (hard times have rarely been an impediment to champagne sales). The champagne was named after the legendary monk, who is thought to have done most to invent the sparkling wine that became champagne. To underline its historic past, Dom Perignon is bottled in a dark green replica of an 18th century bottle. Then, in 1945, Roederer started to re-make Cristal, and this time to sell it to the public.

In recent years, most of the bigger champagne houses have felt moved to produce a special prestige cuvée, using their finest grapes and vintages, and usually looking for some link to history that makes their brand stand out. Probably the most beautiful bottle is produced by Perrier Jouët. Its Belle Epoque champagne comes in a glass bottle, painted with white, gold and green anemones. The bottle was created as a one-off in 1902 by Emile Gallé, a great art nouveau glassmaker. A sample bottle was rediscovered after the second world war, gathering dust in a cupboard at Perrier Jouët, and it has been used as the packaging for the house’s prestige offering since the first vintage was launched in 1964. An even more recent creation is the cuvée launched by Pol Roger in the 1980s called Winston Churchill, after the house’s most famous customer.

There is now a plethora of prestige cuvées. Others include Gosset’s Celebris, Taittinger’s Comtes de Champagne, Veuve Cliquot’s La Grande Dame, and Salon (a cult wine produced in minute quantities and prized by devotees of “blanc de blancs”, a champagne produced only from white chardonnay grapes). Each of these champagnes has their devoted followers, and most will cost you comfortably more than $100 a bottle.






Simon Field of Berry Brothers & Rudd, Britain’s oldest wine merchant, says that when you get to the top of the price list, five names tend to predominate: Bollinger, Dom Pérignon, Krug, Pol Roger and Roederer Cristal. The presence of Pol Roger and Bollinger on Berry Brothers hit list may reflect the popularity of these champagnes in Britain. (The glass-smashing aristocrats in Evelyn Waugh’s “Decline and Fall” were members of the Bollinger Club.) In the Champagne region of France, it is generally reckoned that there are only three names at the very top: Cristal, Dom Pérignon and Krug.

Each has their own distinctive qualities. Louis Roederer is still family-owned and takes particular pride in the fact that, while other houses have to buy in most of their grapes, Roederer produces two-thirds of its champagne (and every bottle of Cristal) from its own vineyards. Dom Pérignon stands at the apex of the Champagne district’s biggest house (Moët & Chandon) and makes much of its connection to the hallowed vineyards of Hautvilliers, where the great monk himself once worked. Roederer and Moët produce a range of champagnes, starting from a “basic” non-vintage costing around $30 a bottle; followed by vintage champagnes that are produced in a single year and aged for longer, and are commensurately more expensive; and, at the top of the tree, their prestige cuvées, Cristal and Dom Pérignon.

Krug has its own way of doing things. For instance, Mr Krug insists that all his firm's champagnes are prestige cuvées. “You cannot say the vintage is better than the non-vintage, any more than you can say that a symphony is better than a concerto.” Actually, Krug’s “no hierarchy” policy is more than mere marketing. Unlike other houses, Krug does not hold back its best grapes for the vintage or special cuvées. But that's because its entire production—including vintage, non-vintage and rosé champagnes—is tiny by comparison. All told, the house produces around 600,000 bottles a year, just 0.2% of the Champagne region’s production, and only a third more than the amount of Cristal (the apex of the Roederer range) produced.

As a result, Krug’s non-vintage costs far more than other houses’ “standard” champagnes. And all the bottles produced by the house share the distinctive “Krug style”—a rich, dry, long-lasting taste that makes Krug as much like a fine white Burgundy as a champagne. All the prestige cuvées like to emphasise that they are fine wines that can be enjoyed with food, rather than mere aperitifs. (In Reims, your correspondent drank a bottle of Krug rosé that was robust enough to go well with beef, let alone the fish or poultry dishes that are normally thought to match champagne.)

MEPL/Kobal Collection/Getty Images/Retna/LFI


Tsar Alexander II enjoyed Cristal, originally made exclusively for the Russian royal family; in “Goldfinger”, James Bond (Sean Connery) always drank Bollinger; Winston Churchill favoured Pol Roger, while rap artist Jay-Z sprays Cristal around; Madonna is said to be a devotee of Krug




Can you afford it?
For most champagne drinkers with less than million-dollar incomes, the intriguing question about the Krugs and the Cristals is whether they are sufficiently different from more mundane champagnes to justify their extraordinary prices. And the prices certainly are stellar. At Berry Brothers, down the road from The Economist, a bottle of 1996 Cristal goes for £192 ($336) and a 1996 rosé for £332. The merchant's 1979 Krug was on offer at £660 a magnum, while a much less scarce non-vintage Krug Grande Cuvée is a snip at £85 a bottle. At La Cave Se Rebiffe, a little wine shop around the corner from Roederer and Krug in Reims, you can find 1999 Cristal for €120 ($145)—hardly cheap, but half the price you would pay in London or New York.

So, are these champagnes worth it? Back in London, your correspondent served Krug blind (that is, with its label covered up) to some dinner guests, along with a vintage champagne from another house called Nicolas Feuillatte and Pelorus, the finest sparkling wine made in New Zealand. Gratifyingly, they all much preferred the Krug—although none regarded it as utterly different from the other champagnes they had tasted.

Previously, in Maison Roederer in Reims, your correspondent was able to taste Cristal for the first time since graduating in 1984. For a comparison, it was tasted alongside Roederer’s standard non-vintage champagne. Both were delicious, but the Cristal did seem better—with a taste that was simultaneously both purer and longer lasting. Whether the Cristal is so much better that it justifies the extra £100 depends on your passion for champagne, not to mention the depth of your pocket.

CONSUMER WATCH

Although most wine retailers stock a selection of champagne brands, people wanting to try the prestige cuvées may need to look further. In London, Berry Brothers & Rudd at 3 St James’s Street offers a fine selection. You can also pick up a bottle of Krug or Cristal at the more exclusive department stores, such as Harrods or Selfridges. In New York, try Park Avenue Liquor at 292 Madison Avenue. In Paris or Madrid, head for the poshest new wine store, LaVinia (www.lavinia.fr and www.lavinia.es).

[Tone Capone]

tough shit.
truth over sensitivety.


it is people like YOU that perpetuate racism.
just as much as the "deep south hillbilly" who calls black people "boy" and says "theys sure is stupider than whites..."


Spoken like a true klansman. Congratulations.

ps.
How would I perpetuate racism by walking into a store??

[Qdrop]

ps.
How would I perpetuate racism by walking into a store??

if people are constantly "tuned" to find racism where it does not exist, to cry foul when there is no need, and to accuse others of racism when no evidence of such beliefs exist (like you just did)...racism will never go away or disapate...because you won't let it.

[marsdaddy]

how is this "profiling"?

CVS puts security tags on the items that are stolen the most.Based on what criteria is "the most"? This "argument" seems like a narrow way to bolster, "we are no longer a racist society" versus, let's get some PR and point out the socio-economic breakdown of shoplifting (i.e., those with the least have the least access to buy the things they need -- or is hair product a luxury item?)

I never said it was profiling, but then again, you're pretty famous for arguing an ancilliary point when you really have no legs on which to stand, hoppy.

[g-mile7]

it is people like YOU that perpetuate racism.
just as much as the "deep south hillbilly" who calls black people "boy" and says "theys sure is stupider than whites..."



wow........(n) so the hillibilly that actaully wants the fucking Nigger to fucking die and wants to keep the "population" "pure" is as racist as the Negro who goes into a store and makes an observation and just complains? I think that statement you made just killed your crediblity (which you had for most of the thread) right there.

[Qdrop]

wow........(n) so the hillibilly that actaully wants the fucking Nigger to fucking die and wants to keep the "population" "pure" is as racist as the Negro who goes into a store and makes an observation and just complains? I think that statement you made just killed your crediblity (which you had for most of the thread) right there.

i stand by my statement.

there are people on both sides that don't want racism to go away...for differant reasons.

[g-mile7]

i stand by my statement.

there are people on both sides that don't want racism to go away...for differant reasons.


I can respect that. I still think that we are talking about two diffrent extremes.

When Jay-Z takes the stage at New York’s Radio City Music Hall Sunday to celebrate the 10th anniversary of his album Reasonable Doubt, don’t expect to hear the word "Cristal" fall from his lips, as every mention of the product in his lyrics will be removed.

Jay-Z spokesman Ron Berkowitz said: "You can bet that Cristal will not be in Jay's lyrics on Sunday. What will replace it, only he knows at the time, because he rhymes on the fly - so don't be surprised to hear something different."

The Def Jam president will come out of rap retirement for one night to perform the entire Reasonable Doubt album in honor of the classic album’s 10th birthday. But, due to recent comments from Cristal exec Federic Rouzard lamenting the company’s unsought association with hip hop, the performer will take out references to the expensive drink from the songs "Can't Knock the Hustle," "Dead Presidents," "Feelin' It" and "Brooklyn's Finest."

After taking offense to Rouzard’s statements, which appeared in The Economist magazine, the mogul decided to remove the bubbly from his 40/40 Clubs in Manhattan and Atlantic City.

"The response from our customers at 40/40 has been incredible," Jay-Z said. "This weekend, we sold more bottles of Krug and Perrier Jouet than [ever] and we expect that trend to continue. They are great products and we are glad they have embraced us with open arms."

[Tone Capone]

if people are constantly "tuned" to find racism where it does not exist, to cry foul when there is no need, and to accuse others of racism when no evidence of such beliefs exist (like you just did)...racism will never go away or disapate...because you won't let it.

That's ignorant. Me walking into a store and wondering why Black products are tagged and not White ones is not tuning into anything more that what is obvious. A Black person asking for answers to a seemingly F___ed up situation is what?? Uppity?

[Qdrop]

That's ignorant. Me walking into a store and wondering why Black products are tagged and not White ones is not tuning into anything more that what is obvious. A Black person asking for answers to a seemingly F___ed up situation is what?? Uppity?

looking for answers?
or looking for racism?

[Tone Capone]

looking for answers?
or looking for racism?

Nice tactic.

As I said earlier. If I were to walk into that store for the first time, I would be VERY curious why certain products were tagged and certain items weren't. VERY curious. You can't fault folks for wondering why that would be. The funny thing is that you are smart enough to know this already, you just LOVE acting like you don't.

[Qdrop]

If I were to walk into that store for the first time, I would be VERY curious why certain products were tagged and certain items weren't. VERY curious. why so curious? because you instinctively assume it must be racist at it's base?
exactly my point.

You can't fault folks for wondering why that would be.
but i can fault folks for not objectively annalyzing the truth (pure business decision based on highest theft trate) rather than letting thier personal agendas dictate their thoughts.

[Tone Capone]

why so curious? because you instinctively assume it must be racist at it's base?
exactly my point.


but i can fault folks for not objectively annalyzing the truth (pure business decision based on highest theft trate) rather than letting thier personal agendas dictate their thoughts.

So if I walk outside and see a cross burning in my front yard, instead of assuming it's racist, I should think of a million excuses of why it might not be racist?:confused:

[Qdrop]

So if I walk outside and see a cross burning in my front yard, instead of assuming it's racist, I should think of a million excuses of why it might not be racist?:confused:

yeah, tone...
a burning cross is the same as security tags on afrosheen.


you have the mind of a fuckin 12 year old.

[g-mile7]

yeah, tone...
a burning cross is the same as security tags on afrosheen.


you have the mind of a fuckin 12 year old.


It's called an observation. I see only black products tagged up I'm going think somethings up untill explained the reasoning behind it.

[Mot]

I saw this (http://www.weeklyplanet.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A64008) article, immediatly thought of this thread and decided to share.

[hardnox71]

again: CVS explained it places security tags on products that are shoplifted the most.
no matter what the products are or who buys them.

basically, NAACP is telling CVS to hide embarrassing statistics on minority crimes. see no evil, etc...
And that is exactly what this is..........a store putting tags on the shit that is shoplifted the most. That's it.

Being half black, I really hate to say this, but sometimes the NAACP and Jesse Jackson, Jr. and eveyone who likes to pull the race card everytime they think something happens really get on my fucking nerves.

I'm not kidding. They really do. Like this shit here ^. This is an absolute waste of time and energy.

[g-mile7]

And that is exactly what this is..........a store putting tags on the shit that is shoplifted the most. That's it.

Being half black, I really hate to say this, but sometimes the NAACP and Jesse Jackson, Jr. and eveyone who likes to pull the race card everytime they think something happens really get on my fucking nerves.

I'm not kidding. They really do. Like this shit here ^. This is an absolute waste of time and energy.

we have no leaders.

[hardnox71]

we have no leaders.
The worst part is, g, that these people are our leaders as far as the rest of the world in concerned because they are the ones who are in the spotlight the most. Jesse and Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan. I'm not completely knocking them. They have done some good in various situations (I don't know about Farrakhan) but they are not what I would consider to be our leaders. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a leader in the black community. Malcom X was a leader in the black community. Denmark Veasy and Jackie Robinson and Barack Obama were and are leaders in the black community.

These guys we got now? These guys are fucking clowns.

[g-mile7]

The worst part is, g, that these people are our leaders as far as the rest of the world in concerned because they are the ones who are in the spotlight the most. Jesse and Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan. I'm not completely knocking them. They have done some good in various situations (I don't know about Farrakhan) but they are not what I would consider to be our leaders. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a leader in the black community. Malcom X was a leader in the black community. Denmark Veasy and Jackie Robinson and Barack Obama were and are leaders in the black community.

These guys we got now? These guys are fucking clowns.


Your one of the few that can see this. I hope to change this sitution by leading by example. And you are dead on about Farrakhan, the guy is a sham.....a wannabe X. Fact is this is a waste of time yes, but I can see why some could see this as racism, racism does exist even though this is not an example (at least from what we can assume we are not in the minds of the people who made the decision so can not rully know if they are telling the turth)

[hardnox71]

Your one of the few that can see this. I hope to change this sitution by leading by example. And you are dead on about Farrakhan, the guy is a sham.....a wannabe X. Fact is this is a waste of time yes, but I can see why some could see this as racism, racism does exist even though this is not an example (at least from what we can assume we are not in the minds of the people who made the decision so can not rully know if they are telling the turth)
Yes, g, racism does exist. Racism in this country is alive and well and is thriving vibrantly all around us. But every little thing that happens is not racially motivated.

I remember here in Chicago, about ten years ago, Jesse Jackson started a whole bunch of shit with the labor unions because there were African American laborers that were complaining that they were not hired for certain high profile construcion jobs because they were black. This thing went on for about a week/week and a half. It finally comes out that they guys who went crying to Jackson about not getting hired for these jobs had histories of shoddy workmanship, drug and alcohol abuse while on the job and a few dealt with the issue of not even showing up for work at all.

That's why they were not hired. But for a week and a half, you couldn't tell Jackson otherwise.:rolleyes:

[g-mile7]

Yes, g, racism does exist. Racism in this country is alive and well and is thriving vibrantly all around us. But every little thing that happens is not racially motivated.

I remember here in Chicago, about ten years ago, Jesse Jackson started a whole bunch of shit with the labor unions because there were African American laborers that were complaining that they were not hired for certain high profile construcion jobs because they were black. This thing went on for about a week/week and a half. It finally comes out that they guys who went crying to Jackson about not getting hired for these jobs had histories of shoddy workmanship, drug and alcohol abuse while on the job and a few dealt with the issue of not even showing up for work at all.

That's why they were not hired. But for a week and a half, you couldn't tell Jackson otherwise.:rolleyes:


The fact is most of the time these cases/claims are racism are ironed out and found with no legs to stand on. I mean if it was that easy to get money off crying "wolf" shoot many of us in the minority field would have used that years ago. Even reverse Racism claims (affirmative action being an example) are handle by the law of returns with many Blacks not taking full advantage of the system.

[Tone Capone]

yeah, tone...
a burning cross is the same as security tags on afrosheen.


you have the mind of a fuckin 12 year old.

It's the same logic, instead of assuming something that looks racist is, let's assume it's not racist just in case. I find it hilarious that you are trying to tell folks who experience racism on a daily basis that they need to quit looking for racism. Idiot. Responsibility is with the store to let the public know what's going on before they alienate their Black customers.

[Qdrop]

It's the same logic, instead of assuming something that looks racist is, let's assume it's not racist just in case.
no, it's more a matter of "let's assess the situation objectably before flying off the handle and assuming racism".

I find it hilarious that you are trying to tell folks who experience racism on a daily basis that they need to quit looking for racism.
please, share your stories....in detail.

[Tone Capone]

no, it's more a matter of "let's assess the situation objectably before flying off the handle and assuming racism".


please, share your stories....in detail.

Okay let's flip the script. Say you walk into a store and all the of the White hair care products had security tags on them and non of the Black ones did... What would you think? Sure you will probably post "um... I would think rationally about the blah blah blah....zzzz" but we all know that isn't true.

Also that second part made me laugh, did you just ask a young Black American male to share the stories of the times I have experienced racism in my life... in detail?!?? LOL!!! Are you serious?:rolleyes:

[Qdrop]

Okay let's flip the script. Say you walk into a store and all the of the White hair care products had security tags on them and non of the Black ones did... What would you think?
i wouldn't check in the first place.
not worth my time.

Also that second part made me laugh, did you just ask a young Black American male to share the stories of the times I have experienced racism in my life... in detail?!?? LOL!!! Are you serious?:rolleyes:
yes.
proceed.

[Tone Capone]

i wouldn't check in the first place.
not worth my time.
Yeah I guess it wouldn't be, since it's obviously "not your problem"

yes.
proceed.



Well should I start with the first time I remember being discriminated because I am Black? I guess I was in kindergarten and playing with my friends which was cool, then one day I was told by a friend that his dad said he couldn't play with me anymore because I am a n____. I didn't even know what that was... or does that not count because I didn't understand it then? Should I talk about the time my car broke down and I had to push it to the nearest garage I could and was treated so disrespectfully and made to wait outside while other folks with car problems were ushered indoors and obviously had a pretty funny conversation because they were laughing up a storm, then give me dirty looks when they left? I guess not... I mean, I WAS in Mississippi and I SHOULD have known better than to have my car break down near some small business that fixes cars. Should I tell you how many times I've been pulled over or questioned by cops because I "fit a description"? probably not, because after all... we all really DO look alike. Should I tell you about the relationships that ended because of race issues with their families when I was younger? Probably not I mean, relationships end all the time and I guess they would have ended of something sooner or later. Oh how about the times I was told I couldn’t go into the club because “we have enough of your people in here tonight” as much as I love Germany, I will always have a bad taste in my mouth about that one but I guess it was probably because I had a lot of money in my pocket and they didn’t want anymore people in there spending money? How about every time I’ve been forced to fight because skin heads wanted to prove how big they were? Naw that doesn’t count because I’ve never lost to a skin head yet, and technically some of them had long hair so are they really skin heads? You know, if I had to fill up 27 years of racist experiences on this message board, it would take 27 years to read.

If you think for a second that I haven’t faced racism every day for the most part of my life, just like pretty much ALL Black people, you are an idiot. If you can’t understand why a people would be skeptical when it came to the situation in the store, you’re an idiot, I’m not dancing for your satisfaction. Get a life.

[g-mile7]

:) silly Q:)

[g-mile7]

Yeah I guess it wouldn't be, since it's obviously "not your problem"




Well should I start with the first time I remember being discriminated because I am Black? I guess I was in kindergarten and playing with my friends which was cool, then one day I was told by a friend that his dad said he couldn't play with me anymore because I am a n____. I didn't even know what that was... or does that not count because I didn't understand it then? Should I talk about the time my car broke down and I had to push it to the nearest garage I could and was treated so disrespectfully and made to wait outside while other folks with car problems were ushered indoors and obviously had a pretty funny conversation because they were laughing up a storm, then give me dirty looks when they left? I guess not... I mean, I WAS in Mississippi and I SHOULD have known better than to have my car break down near some small business that fixes cars. Should I tell you how many times I've been pulled over or questioned by cops because I "fit a description"? probably not, because after all... we all really DO look alike. Should I tell you about the relationships that ended because of race issues with their families when I was younger? Probably not I mean, relationships end all the time and I guess they would have ended of something sooner or later. Oh how about the times I was told I couldn’t go into the club because “we have enough of your people in here tonight” as much as I love Germany, I will always have a bad taste in my mouth about that one but I guess it was probably because I had a lot of money in my pocket and they didn’t want anymore people in there spending money? How about every time I’ve been forced to fight because skin heads wanted to prove how big they were? Naw that doesn’t count because I’ve never lost to a skin head yet, and technically some of them had long hair so are they really skin heads? You know, if I had to fill up 27 years of racist experiences on this message board, it would take 27 years to read.

If you think for a second that I haven’t faced racism every day for the most part of my life, just like pretty much ALL Black people, you are an idiot. If you can’t understand why a people would be skeptical when it came to the situation in the store, you’re an idiot, I’m not dancing for your satisfaction. Get a life.


It's hard to make people see what is really going down from the inside out, although, like I have said, this particular act is not what I consider racist people act like parnoia isn't going be the norm when we are talking about 200+ years of a shaky realtionship between blacks and the rest of the majority, for god sake we look at shit in our own communtiies and attack our own people on shit, who in their rightr mind doesnt think the same would go, 10x worst, for those outside.

And it makes me sick when people joke bout shit like this like they've been through some stupid shit like this.

[Qdrop]

Well should I start with the first time I remember being discriminated because I am Black? I guess I was in kindergarten and playing with my friends which was cool, then one day I was told by a friend that his dad said he couldn't play with me anymore because I am a n____. I didn't even know what that was... or does that not count because I didn't understand it then? Should I talk about the time my car broke down and I had to push it to the nearest garage I could and was treated so disrespectfully and made to wait outside while other folks with car problems were ushered indoors and obviously had a pretty funny conversation because they were laughing up a storm, then give me dirty looks when they left? I guess not... I mean, I WAS in Mississippi and I SHOULD have known better than to have my car break down near some small business that fixes cars. Should I tell you how many times I've been pulled over or questioned by cops because I "fit a description"? probably not, because after all... we all really DO look alike. Should I tell you about the relationships that ended because of race issues with their families when I was younger? Probably not I mean, relationships end all the time and I guess they would have ended of something sooner or later. Oh how about the times I was told I couldn’t go into the club because “we have enough of your people in here tonight” as much as I love Germany, I will always have a bad taste in my mouth about that one but I guess it was probably because I had a lot of money in my pocket and they didn’t want anymore people in there spending money? How about every time I’ve been forced to fight because skin heads wanted to prove how big they were? Naw that doesn’t count because I’ve never lost to a skin head yet, and technically some of them had long hair so are they really skin heads? You know, if I had to fill up 27 years of racist experiences on this message board, it would take 27 years to read.



so do you think any or all of these instances would affect your future opinions and assumptions...on something like, say, seeing security tags on black hair products?

[g-mile7]

so do you think any or all of these instances would affect your future opinions and assumptions...on something like, say, seeing security tags on black hair products?


I would......just means he more senstive (but not in terms of emotion) to things as such, he picks up on it quicker then most....




Yo Q, did you see Hannity and Combs last night, I have eben lookin for the transciprt or video but can not find it about the movment to keep whites out of hip-hop, saw that shit and thought of your thread. If you can find it, I think it will add Zest to your thread.

[Qdrop]

I would......just means he more senstive (but not in terms of emotion) to things as such, he picks up on it quicker then most.... or perhaps it affects his ability to be objective?





Yo Q, did you see Hannity and Combs last night, I have eben lookin for the transciprt or video but can not find it about the movment to keep whites out of hip-hop, saw that shit and thought of your thread. If you can find it, I think it will add Zest to your thread.
i'll look it up.

[g-mile7]

or perhaps it affects his ability to be objective?






i'll look it up.


This trully is Chess.



And yea it featured some Black Minster of some Masonic Church down in Missouri, I think you'll enjoy it, I couldnt find it but shoudlnt be too much diffculity for you I just didnt know where else to lok after foxnews

[Nuzzolese]

or perhaps it affects his ability to be objective?


I would think so. I''m not saying it's the same thing, but it is similar for any woman who has been mistreated by many men. She comes to regard men with suspicion and to look for any potential dangers or ways in which he could hurt her...it may be seen as paranoia but it's also a conditioned reaction meant to help protect her from future harm like mistreatment, unfairness and abuse.

If, out of every 50 people who walked up behind you, 20 kicked you in the butt, you'd start to get jumpy every time someone walked up behind you, especially if they in some way reminded you (however arbitrarily) of the last person who kicked you.

The question is; Is it everyone's responsibility (just out of etiquette) to be aware of those abused, jumpy, suspicious people, and to avoid a whole misunderstanding by maybe saying hello before walking up behind someone?

It is unfair for people to expect you to do that, because you never kicked anyone. But you have to live with the fact that this person has been kicked by people superficially like you.

Trouble with that social etiquette is, no one is exempt from suspicion. And isn't it humiliating to expect a person to take the blame and enact the humility that is due from others? I mean, you wouldn't ask a black man to announce himself because he looks suspicious. That would be racist. It would still be racist even if the last 20 people who kicked you were also black. True, you're only protecting yourself from harm you've experienced before. But you're asking a lot. Conundrum.

[hardnox71]

Should I tell you how many times I've been pulled over or questioned by cops because I "fit a description"? probably not, because after all... we all really DO look alike.
I've been told I "fit the description" probably 100 times but here in Chicago, nine times out of ten, it is not a racial thing. It's just an excuse for the cops to see who the fuck you are and what you have in your pockets. Now, if you go out into the suburbs then nine times out of ten it will be racially motivated.

[hardnox71]

Based on what criteria is "the most"? This "argument" seems like a narrow way to bolster, "we are no longer a racist society" versus, let's get some PR and point out the socio-economic breakdown of shoplifting (i.e., those with the least have the least access to buy the things they need -- or is hair product a luxury item?)

I never said it was profiling, but then again, you're pretty famous for arguing an ancilliary point when you really have no legs on which to stand, hoppy.
I'm not running to Q's defense. God knows we've had our battles but I don't think that Q is trying to say that we are not a racist society. Racism is very much a part of our society today and Q is well aware of that fact.

I don't really think looking at this from a socio-economic standpoint is completely viable. When you are a large corporation that runs a national chain of stores, you don't give a fuck about what color people walk through the doors. All you care about is the green in their pockets.

These corporations have people who pour over spreadsheets and profit margins and loss reports and inventory lists and all kinds of other shit day in and day out; each week, each month, each quarter and for the fiscal year. Their job is to find out where the holes are, where the money is leaking.

If you buy 500 DVD players from the manufacturer and you sell 300 and you have 100 left in stock then that means 100 have walked right out the fucking door. That loss is called 'shrinkage'. Shrinkage is one of the holes that these analysts pay attention to.

The bottom line is that the corporation that owns these stores is doing nothing more than trying to plug up the holes. That's it. I'm sure they don't give a fuck who is what color.

I'm more likely to believe that the fact that sensors are on African American hair care products is strictly due to demographics. That area just happens to be where the shit is being stolen the most. Plain and simple. Like in Southern California you will find more people shoplifting sun tan lotion than you will here in Chicago. Location, location, location.

[g-mile7]

I'm not running to Q's defense. God knows we've had our battles but I don't think that Q is trying to say that we are not a racist society. Racism is very much a part of our society today and Q is well aware of that fact.

I don't really think looking at this from a socio-economic standpoint is completely viable. When you are a large corporation that runs a national chain of stores, you don't give a fuck about what color people walk through the doors. All you care about is the green in their pockets.

These corporations have people who pour over spreadsheets and profit margins and loss reports and inventory lists and all kinds of other shit day in and day out; each week, each month, each quarter and for the fiscal year. Their job is to find out where the holes are, where the money is leaking.

If you buy 500 DVD players from the manufacturer and you sell 300 and you have 100 left in stock then that means 100 have walked right out the fucking door. That loss is called 'shrinkage'. Shrinkage is one of the holes that these analysts pay attention to.

The bottom line is that the fucking corporation that owns these stores is doing nothing more than trying to plug up the holes. That's it. I'm sure they don't give a fuck who is what color.

Also, I'm willing to bet that the fact that sensors are on African American hair care products is due to demographics. That area just happens to be where the shit is being stolen the most. Plain and simple. Like in Southern California you will find more people shoplifting sun tan lotion than you will here in Chicago. Location, location, location.


You speak volumes......although I still think Q is wrong to say that a bigot who openly practices racism is the same as someone who crys racism ("wolf") both do not perpuate it the same way let alone equally.

[hardnox71]

You speak volumes......although I still think Q is wrong to say that a bigot who openly practices racism is the same as someone who crys racism ("wolf") both do not perpuate it the same way let alone equally.
In all honesty, I've got more respect for someone who calls me a nigger to my face than behind my back and that is the God's honest truth.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still gonna beat his ass but I have respect for him. At least I know where he's coming from from the get go, you know?

[g-mile7]

In all honestly I've got more respect for someone who calls me a nigger to my face than behind my back and that is the God's honest truth.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still gonna beat his ass but I have respect for him. At least I know where he's coming from from the get go, you know?


Yea, thats how REAL GANGSTAZ get down:cool: I'm glad your back on here, my brotha. We need your insight (seems like the black populas on here as risen back to almost its original number of 4)

[hardnox71]

(seems like the black populas on here as risen back to almost its original number of 4)Well......3 1/2. Remember, I'm only half black.:D :D

[Qdrop]

Yea, thats how REAL GANGSTAZ get down:cool: I'm glad your back on here, my brotha. We need your insight (seems like the black populas on here as risen back to almost its original number of 4)

jesus christ...^this is part of what i'm talking about. ^that is so devisive.

you shouldn't give a shit what race the posters on here are...

[g-mile7]

Well......3 1/2. Remember, I'm only half black.:D :D


I think Tone is too, and my moms half black and french...man our collation be fuc'ed

[g-mile7]

jesus christ...^this is part of what i'm talking about. ^that is so devisive.

you shouldn't give a shit what race the posters on here are...


Why not? I don't give a shit that your cacuzoid and shit.....

[hardnox71]

I think Tone is too, and my moms half black and french...man our collation be fuc'ed
:D

[Qdrop]

Why not? I don't give a shit that your cacuzoid and shit.....

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING...YET YOU...

..ah fuck it...you make no sense sometimes.
you don't even know what you're saying.

[Nuzzolese]

I've said it before and I stick by my story. Talking to gmile is like trying to talk to someone about that movie, Total Recall, and they keep talking about Demolition Man and they keep insisting that they're talking about Total Recall and you're like "Wesley Snipes wasn't even there, I'm talking about MARS okay!" and they keep saying "No, no, I mean after the three tittied whore Sandra Bullock was all 'all restaurants are taco bell'" and you get so frustrated because they just don't get it and they're talking about two different movies and they keep switching back and forth and one second you think you have them and then they start talking about showering with shells and you're back to square one.

[g-mile7]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING...YET YOU...

..ah fuck it...you make no sense sometimes.
you don't even know what you're saying.



Take one to know one...:p ah fuck it let me get my swagger on.....


Ok, you say the fact that I am able to count the number of people of African-American descent on here is a refelction of the arguments and points you have expressed on here. The fact that I am able to point them out shows that I have been brain-washed (some 200 years +) by acknowledging something that, to you, should not be important to eithert me or soceity (race). However, the only reason I am able to see this is because I frequently have chatted, on some level, with these "humans". The fact is when an outsider (as being one of a few on here of black descent) I tend to quickly gravitate towards those who are, in some way, similar to me.

But the fact is this: we all look for people that we have something in common with. For example, people who are into being jerks tned to hang out with more jerks. Artsy (or those who consider themselves deep) people tend to hang out with others who have similar thoughts or have faced similar struggles as them. The same goes for any clique (Emo, Beastie Boys fans, etc.), and also the fact that I am able to see people I can relate to (on the basis of race in this case) is just another example of that. If I was anti-Beastie Boys there would people who would notice this and call me out on this. Does this, in terms of how you seem to be putting it, make these people anti-Beastie Boy haters, seraching for the slightest hint of resentment towards the Boys?

I make no sense sometimes? You barely make sense in some of the arguments you have presented here. The fact is people on this site are too lazy (least the majority of them) to call you on that. To make assumptions from the perspective of an outsider, someone who has no idea of the life on the inside is flawed. I know exactly what I say each and every post, no matter how it might appear to you or yours. I am entitled to my thoughts and opinons much as you are to yours. However, I am also entitled to "joke" as some you do and try to come across in a sarcastic or playful manner (which I was doing with Hardnox by mentioning the amount of black people).

How is it that me being able to count the number of black people a direct link to the point of picking out racism? I see no racism coming from saying a fact:that there are only a handful of African-Americans on this damn site. You make no sense and are, seemingly, trying to pick at playful chit-chat to add to your argument. The sad fact is I know what you are saying (and most of the people on this board) better then you think. Also add this to the fact that have knowledge (having lived in the ghettos of East Baton Rouge, La, 225 punk sons of....oops almost let my ghetto out....:o ) as well as rich areas and poor of NorCal.

I am sorry it is hard for you to wrap your brain around why the NAACP is being so damn parnoiaed with claims of racism, but it is the fact that, more then likely, someone outside the NACCP COMPLAINED about this observation. No matter if it is just or not, there is no sense crying about "its not racism".....that shall be decided in an investagtion. Obviosuly the case is weak, so the charges of racism (just as with rape, etc.) shall be dimisshed and CVS will not lose any business from it's target consumer: people with money.

[g-mile7]

I've said it before and I stick by my story. Talking to gmile is like trying to talk to someone about that movie, Total Recall, and they keep talking about Demolition Man and they keep insisting that they're talking about Total Recall and you're like "Wesley Snipes wasn't even there, I'm talking about MARS okay!" and they keep saying "No, no, I mean after the three tittied whore Sandra Bullock was all 'all restaurants are taco bell'" and you get so frustrated because they just don't get it and they're talking about two different movies and they keep switching back and forth and one second you think you have them and then they start talking about showering with shells and you're back to square one.


I am sorry that my intelect is not on par to comprehend the advance knowledge that you speak on here. I am sorry that you have to resort to childish attempts to try and bash me and my crediblity, my intelligence, in order to make a point. Sadly though, although I am not the only one on here who feels this way, I am the only one who isn't afraid to get "dissed on" by a 20 something year old woman who feels the need to try and "show off" what she's learned over the years. Congrats on acquiring knowledge, but isn't the topic about racism? Why attack me with such outlandish quotes? Talking to you is like rich people trying to dress a female dog......no matter what human clothes you put on that pup, in the end, that female dog is going keep on being a female dog, but in not such kind words.

[Qdrop]

Take one to know one...:p ah fuck it let me get my swagger on.....


Ok, you say the fact that I am able to count the number of people of African-American descent on here is a refelction of the arguments and points you have expressed on here. The fact that I am able to point them out shows that I have been brain-washed (some 200 years +) by acknowledging something that, to you, should not be important to eithert me or soceity (race). However, the only reason I am able to see this is because I frequently have chatted, on some level, with these "humans". The fact is when an outsider (as being one of a few on here of black descent) I tend to quickly gravitate towards those who are, in some way, similar to me.

But the fact is this: we all look for people that we have something in common with. For example, people who are into being jerks tned to hang out with more jerks. Artsy (or those who consider themselves deep) people tend to hang out with others who have similar thoughts or have faced similar struggles as them. The same goes for any clique (Emo, Beastie Boys fans, etc.), and also the fact that I am able to see people I can relate to (on the basis of race in this case) is just another example of that. If I was anti-Beastie Boys there would people who would notice this and call me out on this. Does this, in terms of how you seem to be putting it, make these people anti-Beastie Boy haters, seraching for the slightest hint of resentment towards the Boys?

I make no sense sometimes? You barely make sense in some of the arguments you have presented here. The fact is people on this site are too lazy (least the majority of them) to call you on that. To make assumptions from the perspective of an outsider, someone who has no idea of the life on the inside is flawed. I know exactly what I say each and every post, no matter how it might appear to you or yours. I am entitled to my thoughts and opinons much as you are to yours. However, I am also entitled to "joke" as some you do and try to come across in a sarcastic or playful manner (which I was doing with Hardnox by mentioning the amount of black people).

How is it that me being able to count the number of black people a direct link to the point of picking out racism? I see no racism coming from saying a fact:that there are only a handful of African-Americans on this damn site. You make no sense and are, seemingly, trying to pick at playful chit-chat to add to your argument. The sad fact is I know what you are saying (and most of the people on this board) better then you think. Also add this to the fact that have knowledge (having lived in the ghettos of East Baton Rouge, La, 225 punk sons of....oops almost let my ghetto out....:o ) as well as rich areas and poor of NorCal.

I am sorry it is hard for you to wrap your brain around why the NAACP is being so damn parnoiaed with claims of racism, but it is the fact that, more then likely, someone outside the NACCP COMPLAINED about this observation. No matter if it is just or not, there is no sense crying about "its not racism".....that shall be decided in an investagtion. Obviosuly the case is weak, so the charges of racism (just as with rape, etc.) shall be dimisshed and CVS will not lose any business from it's target consumer: people with money.

god dammit, WESLEY SNIPES WAS NEVER ON THE MOON!

[Nuzzolese]

I never claim to try to be an intellectual or to sound smart. I never understood where that came from. If other people say that I'm smart and you've got a problem with it, take it up with them. You don't have to be intellectual to follow along in a conversation, not usually here. Go make a video about it then pretend I saw it.

[g-mile7]

I never claim to try to be an intellectual or to sound smart. I never understood where that came from. Other people tell me I'm smart, you got a problem with it, take it up with them.


I never said you weren't. It is obvious from your post that you have an amount of understanding (or a grasp) of society. I do respect your knowledge, I respect strong willed women (mainly from my own family/friends history of seeing those with weak wills ran through). I do not respect the attitude that you give me, for lack of a better term. Either with extreme examples or the attempt to bury me under a sea of analogies, advance vocab., etc. you give me this. You don't have to value my thoughts, the way I present them or even me, but you shoudl respect them, espcially the fact that have not come at you, or Q looking for any sort of fight. I never do, no matter how passionate I might come across.



And lets leave it at that.

[g-mile7]

Go make a video about it then pretend I saw it.


Only for you;) kiss kiss

[Nuzzolese]

I've got a black belt in advanced level vocab, but I stole it.

[Tone Capone]

I think Tone is too, and my moms half black and french...man our collation be fuc'ed

BAHAHAHA!!! (y)

[Lex Diamonds]

Racism is another reason why America sucks. Around London, there are just as many blacks, asians, and general foreigners (refugees, immigrants, etc.) as there are white people. Most of the time you don't even think about what race people are. And as far as I know, we don't feel the need to have separate security measures for those of a deeper tone. Your country is fucked.

[Tone Capone]

Racism is another reason why America sucks. Around London, there are just as many blacks, asians, and general foreigners (refugees, immigrants, etc.) as there are white people. Most of the time you don't even think about what race people are. And as far as I know, we don't feel the need to have separate security measures for those of a deeper tone. Your country is fucked.

WHoa! I hope you aren't trying to say that England isn't affected by racism:confused: If I hear one more negative thing about "pakis" and Indians I might explode. And last time I was in London I DID see a group of skin heads walking down the street. They were minding their own business but, I don't think they were walking around London on some sorta racial hugging spree. I think Dave Chappelle said it best when talking about racism in New York City, something along the lines of, there are too many different races around to go around hating everybody, it would take too much time. London is probably no different. The racism is still there but, it would take too long to hate on EVERYONE there.

[Lex Diamonds]

WHoa! I hope you aren't trying to say that England isn't affected by racism:confused: If I hear one more negative thing about "pakis" and Indians I might explode. And last time I was in London I DID see a group of skin heads walking down the street. They were minding their own business but, I don't think they were walking around London on some sorta racial hugging spree. I think Dave Chappelle said it best when talking about racism in New York City, something along the lines of, there are too many different races around to go around hating everybody, it would take too much time. London is probably no different. The racism is still there but, it would take too long to hate on EVERYONE there.
There is a small amount of racism but on nowhere near the scale these people are talking about. And London is very different to Norfolk, I can tell you, because London is a big city where all the people who come to England want to go, therefore it is teeming with different cultures and races. Of course there are a few people who dislike (for example) black people, but this is only because these people make negative stereotypes when they see the boys with knives and G-hats robbing people on corners (in my area those kids are, more often than not, Somalian immigrants). But I have never encountered full-on, "hate them cuz of their skin colour" racism. There was this one time when a BNP member came up and tried to give me a leaflet in town and I was like "you must be fuckin joking" and gave him a nasty look. But that's about it.

[Lex Diamonds]

Not saying I was a racist or anything before, but since living in London, I see people's colour a lot less. And I have never seen any racism at all since living here.
Yeah you know what I'm saying. (y)

[SobaViolence]

it's not that i hate other cultures...
i just really like mine.




:rolleyes:

[Tone Capone]

There is a small amount of racism but on nowhere near the scale these people are talking about. And London is very different to Norfolk, I can tell you, because London is a big city where all the people who come to England want to go, therefore it is teeming with different cultures and races. Of course there are a few people who dislike (for example) black people, but this is only because these people make negative stereotypes when they see the boys with knives and G-hats robbing people on corners (in my area those kids are, more often than not, Somalian immigrants). But I have never encountered full-on, "hate them cuz of their skin colour" racism. There was this one time when a BNP member came up and tried to give me a leaflet in town and I was like "you must be fuckin joking" and gave him a nasty look. But that's about it.

That's what I'm saying. It's not because it's not in America, it's because it's a big city. Going around saying America sucks because it's racist and England isn't is false. If that were true it would be great... sadly it's far from it.

[Lex Diamonds]

That's what I'm saying. It's not because it's not in America, it's because it's a big city. Going around saying America sucks because it's racist and England isn't is false. If that were true it would be great... sadly it's far from it.
I'm not saying America sucks just because it's racist, I'm saying the large amount of racism is part of the reason why it sucks. And you can't say that the racism in England is on anywhere near as large a scale in the media, government, etc. compared to that of America. There's no rednecks in England.

[Tone Capone]

I'm not saying America sucks just because it's racist, I'm saying the large amount of racism is part of the reason why it sucks. And you can't say that the racism in England is on anywhere near as large a scale in the media, government, etc. compared to that of America. There's no rednecks in England.

Yeah I guess you are right... The main reason England sucks is the food OH SNAP!!! :D

When it comes to race relations, Europe does seem to have more tolerance for other cultures in general though. I just didn't want people thinking that it was some kinda of utopia out here.

[Planetary]

Yeah I guess you are right... The main reason England sucks is the food OH SNAP!!! :D

americans wish they had our chippies....

[Tone Capone]

americans wish they had our chippies....

Yeah so we had something else to feed our dogs... :D

It's funny because anytime I talk to someone from back home and they are like "what's the best food out there?" and I'm always like "uh... they got a really awesome Chinese take away in my village" or some Indian or Turkish joint or I eat on base. English food =(n) (n)
:) sorry :)

[Planetary]

don't be sorry, you're the one who doesn't like it. go back to your cheeseburgers and hotdogs...

[Pres Zount]

CHIPS! :mad:

CHIPS RULE!

[Planetary]

yeah!!

[Bob]

I'm not saying America sucks just because it's racist, I'm saying the large amount of racism is part of the reason why it sucks. And you can't say that the racism in England is on anywhere near as large a scale in the media, government, etc. compared to that of America. There's no rednecks in England.

just chavs

although i guess we've got those too

alright you win this round

[Planetary]

padster is a chav :eek:

:p

[Tone Capone]

don't be sorry, you're the one who doesn't like it. go back to your cheeseburgers and hotdogs...

ok :)

Actually I can go pretty much anywhere in the world... They all have better food than England:D

[Tone Capone]

What the fuck is English food?

LOL

EXACTLY! That's what I said when I got here "WTF IS THAT?!?!?!":D

[Lex Diamonds]

padster is a chav :eek:

:p
Kiss my balls!

[g-mile7]

Kiss my balls!


bawls....!!!!

[Lex Diamonds]

bawls....!!!!
You got it! In my head I was doing the Goodfellas-style New York mafia accent. (y)

[g-mile7]

You got it! In my head I was doing the Goodfellas-style New York mafia accent. (y)


:) I was actully trying to say it Italino style hahaha (without even knowing bout the Goodfellas)


I win(y) I win this thread(y)