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Everyone knows this, but it's such a crock. Anybody know anyone involved with this business?
-- Some links to get your blood boiling.
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 11:52 AM
matt works for a company that's run by them. the stories he could tell...
Echewta
06-28-2006, 11:55 AM
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06-28-2006, 12:00 PM
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i almost made it through that whole interview, but then i got up for a breather, and when i sat down i lost interest.
anyway who cares about scientologists. people dumb enough to pay money to "return to their god-like form" or whatever deserve to die anyway.
that L. Ron whoever guy sounds freakin brilliant to me!
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06-28-2006, 12:23 PM
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Qdrop
06-28-2006, 12:35 PM
matt works for them. the stories he could tell...
yeah, you really gotta talk him out of dealing with the devil.
whether he believes in it or not...he's contributing and helping a terrible enterprise.
not sure how he sleeps at night.
Geez, I thought she was kidding.
That stuff is bad news Cos, tell him to lock it up.
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 12:38 PM
it's not like he doesn't want a different job. he knows what it is, and he doesn't approve of it. he'd like to have something else but it's not that simple.
I'm just going on what I read, it sounds like a dangerous thing - I'd advise anyone to get out of it.
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 12:47 PM
of course it's a bad organization. hello, it's a cult. but he works for a company that's unofficially run by them...it's a for-profit company, and they have a product and they're pretty well-known. hell, it might have even come with your version of windows. and unfortunately the ceo gives a lot of his profits to the church, but eh. it pays pretty well and it's a good experience for him. there's not any of the actual religious shit involved in his day-to-day, it's mostly just hubbard's ridiculous management philosophy that sods things up. it leads to some funny stories though. it's his first job out of college, they don't even have a retirement plan...it's not like he's going to be there forever.
of course it's a bad organization. hello, it's a cult. but he works for a company that's unofficially run by them...it's a for-profit company, and they have a product and they're pretty well-known. hell, it might have even come with your version of windows. and unfortunately the ceo gives a lot of his profits to the church, but eh. it pays pretty well and it's a good experience for him. there's not any of the actual religious shit involved in his day-to-day, it's mostly just hubbard's ridiculous management philosophy that sods things up. it leads to some funny stories though. it's his first job out of college, they don't even have a retirement plan...it's not like he's going to be there forever.
Fair enough. I think I misunderstood what you said, meaning he was literally working for scientology/scientologists to further their cause.
You should get him to tell some of those stories sometime.
scientologists are going to kill steger!
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 12:53 PM
Fair enough. I think I misunderstood what you said, meaning he was literally working for scientology/scientologists to further their cause.
You should get him to tell some of those stories sometime.
haha, yeah, i probably shouldn't have said it like that...
and kate, hell no! i am!
Qdrop
06-28-2006, 01:02 PM
of course it's a bad organization. hello, it's a cult. but he works for a company that's unofficially run by them...it's a for-profit company, and they have a product and they're pretty well-known. hell, it might have even come with your version of windows. and unfortunately the ceo gives a lot of his profits to the church, but eh. it pays pretty well and it's a good experience for him. there's not any of the actual religious shit involved in his day-to-day, it's mostly just hubbard's ridiculous management philosophy that sods things up. it leads to some funny stories though. it's his first job out of college, they don't even have a retirement plan...it's not like he's going to be there forever.
it's too bad you guys would rather rationalize it rather than find a company that doesn't support the richest, most dangerous cult in the world....
but whatever.
as long as steger is getting a paycheck and getting experiance, right?
hmmm...he actually kinda sounds like a scientologist actually.
mickill
06-28-2006, 01:04 PM
I think that Matt should stop being in that cult.
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 01:06 PM
sigh...always judging. don't you dare start trash-talking him. it's really none of your business, and i sure as hell don't feel the need to explain it to you. he's not a scientologist, and he knows a hell of a lot more about how horrible they are than anyone else on this board does. whatever, you're not going to listen anyway, so there's no use in me going further.
for clarity's sake: it's NOT run by the church. it's run by people that happen to be scientologists, just like a lot of other companies out there...ever heard of Earthlink? they are too.
g-mile7
06-28-2006, 01:09 PM
we all work for "cults" per say in our own way. We might complain about it, but we still work "in" the system instead of doing something to fix that system. It just so happens Scientology is the most blatant, but there thousands of companys, unions etc. that abuse their power and push their agenda on the masses. Examples of this: Wal-Mart, Enron, Local Schools, etc.
So yea I get what you mean Miss Stegar' its not that simple
I think Matt even made fun of them in that "create your own comic" thread that was in sureshots for a while.
Cut him some slack Q, it's ruff fresh outta college.
Echewta
06-28-2006, 01:09 PM
Alright, I'm through being Mr. Goodbar, the time has come to act and to act quickly.
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 01:10 PM
I think Matt even made fun of them in that "create your own comic" thread that was in sureshots for a while.
Cut him some slack Q, it's ruff fresh outta college.
he's the biggest critic of them on here...shit, i gotta find some of the stuff he's said about them.
we've been through this before people (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=1159275#post1159275)
we all work for "cults" per say in our own way. We might complain about it...
That's true in a certain sense, but most 'cults' in the way you put it don't support religious beliefs or mislead people down paths of absurd and questionable philosophy.
Scientology wasn't even originally intended as a religion (according to that interview I posted a link to) - it just became one so that it could avoid hassles from the IRS on taxes.
Echewta
06-28-2006, 01:13 PM
Hmmmm (http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/content/maurypickle.wmv)
it's too bad you guys would rather rationalize it rather than find a company that doesn't support the richest, most dangerous cult in the world....
but whatever.
as long as steger is getting a paycheck and getting experiance, right?
hmmm...he actually kinda sounds like a scientologist actually.
if he left the job, wouldn't it just be filled by someone else? the job will get done, whether he's there or not. leaving would do nothing but make him unemployed.
g-mile7
06-28-2006, 01:14 PM
That's true in a certain sense, but most 'cults' in the way you put it don't support religious beliefs or mislead people down paths of absurd and questionable philosophy.
Cults aren't really religous to begin with
And you must have never worked Retail:(
One of my co-workers is friends with Beck's (go figure) wife's parents. The wife (Beck's mother-in-law) was way more into Scientology than her husband. When they started having marital problems, they called whoever their guide or leader is and within 24 hours, they were on a plane to Florida. They spent 2 months in separate towers at the Scientology headquarters where the husband called it 2 months worth of brainwashing. The wife came out refreshed and ready to start her marriage over, but the husband had had enough.
The same supposedly happened with Jenna Elfman and her husband (supposedly). She was messing around with my co-worker's friend and the husband found out. Within 24hours he was on a plane to Florida for 2 months. Weird shit.
Hmmmm (http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/content/maurypickle.wmv)
'We wanted to see first-hand the extent of Mariah's pickle-phobia, so we sent her to the Patterson Pickle Factory!"
lol unrelated
there was a chick on the tyra banks show who was afraid of ovens. sounds like a convenient phobia to me!!!! there was another who was afraid of styrofoam peanuts.
g-mile7
06-28-2006, 01:16 PM
if he left the job, wouldn't it just be filled by someone else? the job will get done, whether he's there or not. leaving would do nothing but make him unemployed.
But he'd make a statement too....that attitude is the same attitude drug pushers use, "if I dont serve them someone else will, so I rathers well make my money"
Sorry Bob:( I wuv u:(
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 01:19 PM
'We wanted to see first-hand the extent of Mariah's pickle-phobia, so we sent her to the Patterson Pickle Factory!"
lol unrelated
gahahaha. they sent her to the factory. hahahahaha!
QueenAdrock
06-28-2006, 01:20 PM
Hmmmm (http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/content/maurypickle.wmv)
Holy shit that was funny. (y)
But he'd make a statement too....that attitude is the same attitude drug pushers use, "if I dont serve them someone else will, so I rathers well make my money"
Sorry Bob:( I wuv u:(
it's not really the same thing though. if i go out and sell drugs, i'm out there selling drugs. i take it upon myself to do that, all the drugs that i'm selling are being sold because of me, i created the job. if i decide to not be a drug dealer anymore, then the drugs that i would be selling won't be sold anymore, the job straight up wouldn't exist. there would still be other dealers out there, but i know that at least for my part, the drugs that i otherwise would be selling aren't going to be sold.
as opposed to steger's situation, where he works for a company, the company has a job slot, and they just need someone, anyone, to fill it. the job already exists independently of him, if he leaves it, it won't matter because someone else will take it and it will still be there. him leaving won't harm the company in anway, because it won't destroy the job, the work will still be done.
Qdrop
06-28-2006, 01:21 PM
don't you dare start trash-talking him. it's really none of your business, and i sure as hell don't feel the need to explain it to you. none of mine or anyone's business, yet you go out of your way to tell everyone, repeatedly, that steger works for a scientology offiliated company...and how you have so many stories about how bad they are.
if i happened to find out, in secret, about stegers job and started blabbing about it on here, you'd have a point. none of my business.
but the fact that you bring it up more than a supermodel brings up her lunch, well shit....deal with it.
you MAKE it mine and everyone's business.
he's not a scientologist, and he knows a hell of a lot more about how horrible they are than anyone else on this board does. whatever, you're not going to listen anyway, so there's no use in me going further. you always act like it's ME who doesn't listen.
i'm pointing out a rather fuckin obvious hypocritical lifestyle that steger and you live (continue working for a company that supports a cult you think highly evil)... you're the one not listening.
for clarity's sake: it's NOT run by the church. it's run by people that happen to be scientologists, just like a lot of other companies out there...ever heard of Earthlink? they are too.
yeah, we get that.
whenever ANYONE brings up Scientology, you are among the first posters to jump on and literally fuckin BRAG about how steger works for scientologists...
THEN, when someone inevitabley brings up the hypocrisy (no, it's not always me) in working for an scientology offiliated company when you admit to their dangerous cult status...you start switching up your stance with the "it's NOT run by the church. it's run by people that happen to be scientologists, just like a lot of other companies out there"...
like that makes it ok.
don't worry about it, Cos.
you heard me, and you'll run this through your head later, whether you want to admit it or not.
good luck with that.
g-mile7
06-28-2006, 01:23 PM
wow. That right there was vicious....(!)
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 01:27 PM
haha, no it wasn't. he was just arguing as usual. whatever, man. i know it's not a good situation. it's just a fact of his life right now. we talk about it because we think people ought to know what really goes on with them. sure i bring it up. it's weird and most people don't know much about it.
but you have no right to go judging him on his morals, or to go calling him a hypocrite. that's where i draw the line. you always make arguments personal. and i'm not here to talk about matt like that.
That was harsh.
To be fair, I think that it's a situation where he's working under duress for these people because he needs the money. I mean, I'm working at a job where I feel like I don't really get do express myself etc. and it's not exactly what I want to be doing - but I don't quit it because I have to ignore that for the moment.
Matt doesn't think his employers are right (I gather from Cos) but he needs to work there for now. He doesn't endorse their 'religion,' he just works at their business.
Smearing anyone for posting anything on here is just stupid - and it leads to people just having vapid discussions that lead nowhere, usually become dull. I think that deciding that Matt is wrong for working there is none of your business, but saying that you wouldn't do it is another thing.
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 01:29 PM
That was harsh.
To be fair, I think that it's a situation where he's working under duress for these people because he needs the money. I mean, I'm working at a job where I feel like I don't really get do express myself etc. and it's not exactly what I want to be doing - but I don't quit it because I have to ignore that for the moment.
Matt doesn't think his employers are right (I gather from Cos) but he needs to work there for now. He doesn't endorse their 'religion,' he just works at their business.
Smearing anyone for posting anything on here is just stupid - and it leads to people just having vapid discussions that lead nowhere, usually become dull. I think that deciding that Matt is wrong for working there is none of your business, but saying that you wouldn't do it is another thing.
thanks beck. i think you get what i was saying.
Qdrop
06-28-2006, 01:35 PM
matt works for a company that supports and funds Scientology.
we all agree Scientology is evil.
matt is not forced to work there.
matt could get another job.
you can't defend that.
you further any of you go in defending that, the more ridiculous you sound.
worry less about trying to stay friendly with cosmo and steger, worry more about standing up for basic ethics.
cosmo105
06-28-2006, 01:39 PM
:rolleyes: yes he could get another job. that is easier said than done, though, and it's not like he's handing out pamphlets on street corners right now. and we are NOT here to talk about his ethics, capice? leave him out of this. we're here to talk about scientology. focus!
matt works for a company that supports and funds Scientology.
we all agree Scientology is evil.
matt is not forced to work there.
matt could get another job.
you can't defend that.
you further any of you go in defending that, the more ridiculous you sound.
worry less about trying to stay friendly with cosmo and steger, worry more about standing up for basic ethics.
I agree that Scientology as an organization is basically evil, yes. I believe that lots of people within it are actually just mislead, confused, and searching for answers in the wrong places.
Matt isn't forced to work there, just like I'm not forced to work at the office I work at. I'm a senior in college though, who barely makes rent and doesn't have the professional experience that's required to broaden the field of jobs I'm qualified for. I imagine he's in a similar situation - yes - technically I could look for other jobs, but it's damn hard when you don't have money to spare and people aren't jumping to hire you.
The job market is tough right now for young professionals, saying "get another job" is easier than finding positions. If it sounded like the job involved more direct work with Scientology I think I'd definitly have a hard time working there myself, but it sounds more like he just sort of comes in contact with them.
If you worked at a business that was run by a Lutheran (for example) who might tithe (give 10% to the church) and maybe you don't agree with everything in their doctrine - does that mean you're morally obligated to quit your job? I don't think so.
Qdrop
06-28-2006, 01:43 PM
and we are NOT here to talk about his ethics, capice? leave him out of this. we're here to talk about scientology. focus!
righto!
ok, well...Scientology is just terribley evil and corrupt.
anyone who supporst it in anyway is truly ethically challenged...wouldn't you agree?
er-wait....you said no ethics.
boy, it sure is hard trying to talk about how bad scientology is without offending you or steger....
boy, i don't know how half of you do it! what tightrope act!
later.
QueenAdrock
06-28-2006, 01:47 PM
Pfft, money's money. I'll be working for the Department of Defense, yet a lot of it I'm ideologically opposed to. I don't care though, because it'll help me get my foot in the door for future jobs and is in line with my goals of having a research career.
It really doesn't matter in the long run, because I tend to agree that the position will be there regardless. Someone's gotta fill it.
The Notorious LOL
06-28-2006, 01:52 PM
if everyone was expected to apply their ethical beliefs to the job search, most of us wouldnt be employed. Thats the sacrifice and the reality ultimately. It may be rationalization but there really isnt any viable alternative in a lot of ways. If its not one evil its another.
g-mile7
06-28-2006, 02:02 PM
matt works for a company that supports and funds Scientology.
we all agree Scientology is evil.
matt is not forced to work there.
matt could get another job.
you can't defend that.
you further any of you go in defending that, the more ridiculous you sound.
worry less about trying to stay friendly with cosmo and steger, worry more about standing up for basic ethics.
Trust me you know whats went down , but the fact is we all, in some form, working for "evil".
Echewta
06-28-2006, 02:30 PM
Its all fun until... (http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/content/fireballeye.wmv)
Mr. Boomin'Granny
06-28-2006, 09:21 PM
Look Mr. Qdrop, when i was interviewing for this job, i had no idea they were "affiliated" with Scientology. I was looking for a job out in Southern California to be closer to Jessica. I had no idea what the hell Scientology was until I started working and dived head first into it.
I'm not a hypocrite, I just know that I won't ever work for another company that uses Hubbards Management Tech. Trust me, I want another job. I like the people that I work with and what I do, just not the bs that the company does hubbard-wise.
Mr. Boomin'Granny
06-28-2006, 09:26 PM
righto!
ok, well...Scientology is just terribley evil and corrupt.
anyone who supporst it in anyway is truly ethically challenged...wouldn't you agree?
er-wait....you said no ethics.
boy, it sure is hard trying to talk about how bad scientology is without offending you or steger....
boy, i don't know how half of you do it! what tightrope act!
later.
Dude, I'm not giving any of my salary to the church.
You know what though. Almost everyone on this board is funding Scientology in your speak. The windows defragmenter was built by my company. So if you use MS Windows (2000 and higher), then you are in an indirect way funding Scientology.
I know it sucks but you know what, that's life.
Sarky Devotchka
06-28-2006, 10:22 PM
I used to work at Hobby Lobby and they're owned by christians. they were closed on sunday and they donated bibles and crap. it was fine with me until they started changing the music played in the store to all christian soft rock. it was torture. my boss there hit on all the teenage cashiers and wore a "jesus saves" bomber jacket.
my last boss was evil, but I still worked for him for 3 years. I could feel my soul rotting away though. he was muslim, but that's not where the evil came from, obviously.
my boss now is very honest. and not religious at all. he does have a creepy picture of jesus hanging above the door that I helped him rework (he carved out dimensional thorns and such, I said, "put a brown glaze over it" etc.). it looks like jesus' eyes are closed, but then you look again and they're open! eeee! also he likes to make fun of people and calls dogs monkeys.
I guess my point is, tom cruise is nuts and I think most super-religious people are nuts. and jobs are jobs, give steger a break already. most of the shit all of us consume or use everyday are produced by people we probably don't agree with on an ethical level. these days you either have to get over it or move to a hippie commune...because every major product/service is affiliated some way somehow with something terrible in the past and/or present whether you know it or not.
Echewta
06-28-2006, 11:57 PM
This thread doesn't and wont change the fact that Steager is loco.
Qdrop
06-29-2006, 06:44 AM
Dude, I'm not giving any of my salary to the church.
You know what though. Almost everyone on this board is funding Scientology in your speak. The windows defragmenter was built by my company. So if you use MS Windows (2000 and higher), then you are in an indirect way funding Scientology.
I know it sucks but you know what, that's life.
I use Mac OSX!
Death to Hubbard Tech!
eh whatever. i just know that this current young generation(s), 18-32, have always made a big deal about being socially aware, knowing what's going, where your money is going, what you are REALLY supporting, and being more active in societal issues....
i guess this generation is just as selfish as previous ones..... but maybe that's the way our young minds work, regardless of the decade.
it's all about us.
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