Why do people HATE fat people so damn much?

[b i o n i c]

seriously...

its seems like its the last form of politically correct discrimination

ive seen/heard/read/sensed some of the most awful things one could imagine being said to people who are overweight. i have a friend who's overweight and has been most of her life and i feel for her when she tells me the kind of shit she puts up with. just because she's fat people seem to think she doesnt percieve EVERYTHING just as plainly as they do. its a lot like that eddie murphy skit where he's made up to be a white business man and gets to see what "white people are like when they're alone". even though i try to console her without acknowledging that she's probably right to see things the way she does, being a normal weight person but being able to relate to her, i do see it like eddie when she's not around. yeah i know fat people should probably just put down the fork and pick up some weights. i know they do things that cause them to be overweight. fuck, its hard for me to keep MYSELF eating/exercising right. at the same time people have sympathy for people who try to quit smoking for years. ex-smokers don't NEED to be around cigarettes 3 times a day after they've beat their addiction. formerly overweight people still have to eat 3 times a day for the rest of their lives. imagine if recovering cokeheads still HAD to have 3 little lines a day forever - most would NOT have control and fall back in a snap. this isnt an excuse for people who're overweight, i do believe in self-improvement. im a pretty intuitive person however, all of our struggles are completely unique and i cant completely know what it is to stand in someone else's shoes.


eh i dunno.. it sucks to be fat. i think it kind of sucks that people are mean. at the same time it may be life's way of spurring change for people who are victims of it.


and that im fat thread made me think of this, but im not fat

[Rawr]

I don't. My drama teacher is fat and he reminds me of the comic book guy off the simpsons so much. But whenever i reaches up to get a acting book for someone in the class or anything, at the corner of your eye his fat is hanging down showing from the end of his shirt...wich is really sad actually cause you can sense he knows that some people are staring, and he tries to pull his shirt down to cover it up but it never works, i feel so bad when he does that cause he must be so embarresed.

[Sarky Devotchka]

I don't really know. I'm not sure that thin or "normal" sized people have the capacity to realize what it's like to have a weight problem. I've never been thin, but I've never been super heavy and I'll admit that I do judge people who are very overweight. mostly because I don't realize how you could let yourself even get that way...but you brought up food addiction, which I think many people forget. I forget it, because even though I'm naturally pretty chunk, I don't have a problem with over-eating, I just have a slow metabolism. and I like cheese.

perhaps people are just scared that they'll be fat one day. or they're super dedicated to fitness/health and can't see why everyone else wouldn't be.

[Pootytang]

I'm a big guy and I have a sense of humor about my weight. I realize I have a weight problem, I can't weight/wait to eat.

[kaiser soze]

because people are assholes

I don't hate fat people, most the time when I see someone obese I feel sorry for them.

[b i o n i c]

youre onto something with everything you said sarks. i do think its all about addiction and discipline. big guys have it much easier, pooty. so many fat firemen, cops, base/football players get off by the weight=strength thing

[Pootytang]

You only think that big guys have it easier. I see people staring at me when I walk back to my table with 9 plates of food at the buffet. J/J

We don't have it as easy as you think. Girls don't give big guys the time of day most of the time. And the girls that do give you the time of day usually have a hand growing where their nose is suppose to be and a third eye right in the middle of their forehead.

[TurdBerglar]

becuase most of the time fat people make themselves fat and being fat is bad

[B4BY 4NN]

becuase most of the time fat people make themselves fat and being fat is bad

And they also think that because they're fat, and because people make fun of them, in return, for the people who DON'T make fun of them, we receive their bad attitudes.

[TurdBerglar]

too many commas!

[B4BY 4NN]

too many commas!

Edit: Fat people just have really bad attitudes. Like they own the world or something.

[sojaded]

I don't hate fat people. Genes play a large role. We all know thin people who can eat whatever they want and we all know people who are fat but really don't eat anymore than we do.

[Sarky Devotchka]

And they also think that because they're fat, and because people make fun of them, in return, for the people who DON'T make fun of them, we receive their bad attitudes.


if you're fat you better be jolly! :mad:

actually, I know what you're talking about. one time there was this fat kid in high school who nobody would talk to, and I asked if I could borrow one of his pencils (he had like a hundred, neatly sharpened, facing all the same direction) once. and he was like, *grumble*, "WELL YOU BETTER GIVE IT BACK!" and I was like, "relax dude".

[TurdBerglar]

Edit: Fat people just have really bad attitudes. Like they own the world or something.



not the jolly ones!

[zorra_chiflada]

christ, my mother would never let me get even remotely overweight. she's a dietician. a few times when i've been storing a few extra kilos, she's made comments. if i was overweight, she'd put me on a low calorie diet and make me exercise. maybe fat people just need someone like her in their lives.

[Sarky Devotchka]

christ, my mother would never let me get even remotely overweight. she's a dietician. a few times when i've been storing a few extra kilos, she's made comments. if i was overweight, she'd put me on a low calorie diet and make me exercise. maybe fat people just need someone like her in their lives.

meh, my mom's like that and I just get fat to spite her. last christmas she asked if I'd give up drinking coca cola for her as her present. I said, "aw hells nah" then ate an entire pizza soaked in coke. in her bed.

[zorra_chiflada]

i think it's also cos there's a lot of fat italians in my family. and she doesn't want me to be one of them. our family is divided between the fat and thin relatives. this is totally true./

[Sarky Devotchka]

it's curious how there are some really fat italians and some really thin italians. I guess it goes for all ethnicities though. however, I've never seen a fat dutch person.

I come from sturdy finnish folk on my mom's side. mostly everyone is thick, but not flabby. there are a couple of skinnies in there though. my aunt is the fattest but even she isn't enormous. her butt and legs are ridiculously abnormally huge though. and she's 4'11". she's addicted to food, she gets really crabby when she can't eat right when she wants to. it's annoying. my dad used to be skinny, but he has a big belly and so does his mom, which I inherited, which sucks. a lot. oh well, there's always lipo. I'll just book a plastic surgery trip to south america.

[sojaded]

meh, my mom's like that and I just get fat to spite her. last christmas she asked if I'd give up drinking coca cola for her as her present. I said, "aw hells nah" then ate an entire pizza soaked in coke. in her bed.

hahahahhahahahahahah

Classic! I am rolling over here.

[jlees_mcsd]

I just gained weight I don't need, like twenty pounds. It was alot eiser to gain it than it has been to try to lose it and once you look at your flabby gut in the harsh bathroom light, you get depressed and then you don't feel like doing anything and believe me once you fall into this part, it is a bitch get away from!!!!!!

[Lyman Zerga]

i had an accident
my back got injured
couldnt sit for a half year
walking did hurt too
got fatter
got depressions
didnt care about anything anymore
got bigger depressions
got even fatter
finally lost 22lbs
but now im a junk eater again
and have my old weight back soon i guess
i hate depressions
and being fat
but i dont mind other fat people
except those 'oh im feeling so comfortable in my fat body' liar fattos!

[hitmonlee]

i just dont like it when they take up extra train seat room

[Waus]

People hate the skinnies too - it's just that there's so much less of them to hate it goes unnoticed.

[alexandra]

^ word.

edit: i saw some "Miss Fat" contest on tv not too long ago, and it's sick to encourage someone to continue being fat because it's "beautiful", when it's just as bad as all the über skinny models.

[Ace42X]

seriously...

its seems like its the last form of politically correct discrimination

Tell that to smokers.

[cosmo105]

i dunno, i went through a really rough time and gained lots of weight years back. i've since lost it, but i remember what it was like being so ashamed of the way i looked, and not even wanting to see my friends because i didn't want them to look at me. and we've all gone through a chubby stage in grammar school. mine was sixth grade...ugh. the thing is, now i can't let myself get like that - three of my grandmother (on my dad's side)'s six children died before they turned 50. she saw them buried. all because they were obese. luckily my mom's side isn't that way, and i lead a really healthy lifestyle, but i saw firsthand what it did to my dad. he had some serious emotional problems, and the weight only made it worse. after a while he was so resigned to it he simply gave up even trying to lose weight and pretty much ate himself to death. if gastric bypass surgery had been around then, he probably would have been a great candidate...but, like so many of the people that have had it now, he probably would have gained it all back because i know he wouldn't have changed his eating habits or lifestyle. he had an addictive personality for sure.

to be completely honest, it's hard not to look at someone very obviously overweight and not start making judgements or assumptions about why he/she is. but seriously, it's not like they aren't people...i mean, there's got to be some underlying reason why that person is overweight to such a degree, but it's so common what with our diets and inactive lifestyles that it's not unusual anymore. it's the norm.

[Otis Driftwood]

The answer is: It is much easier NOT to look at a ridiculously thin person than at a fat person. Just less to see.

[mikizee]

ha... reminds me of family guy.

'hey, fat chicks need lovin too......








































but they gotta pay!!!!'


its no wonder so many americans are fat with the food thats available there. fuckin disgusting.


unfortunately it looks like australia is on the same path.

[Otis Driftwood]

Sure as hell did two years ago in Queensland...
Dairy farmer daughters gone large.:mad:

[enree erzweglle]

Seems to me that people who judge, make fun of, or gossip about people about whatever are usually just immature, jealous, insecure, or have some sort of superiority complex (which, to me, usually means that they're insecure beneath the surface and they overcompensate). A lot of the times, it's that people don't stop to trade places with a person--they don't want to or don't know how to empathize. And for some of them, disparaging others seems to elevate their own personal circumstance. They don't realize how much worse off they themselves are because they do things like that and they do them without realizing the true and far-reaching effects. That, to me, is sad--that they do it without understanding how much they're hurting themselves and other people.

I see gossip a lot at my gym. Not on campus, not in my social circles, not in any of the places where I volunteer. Mostly at my gym. People who gossip about and gloat over the terrible circumstances that some other people suffer. As they talk the talk they talk, they get this flicker of triumph in their eyes. It's gloating and it gives me a chill to see it. I intervened in a particularly cruel gossip session last week--usually I just walk away when I can overhear it, but this was Gossip at an extreme and it was heartless and they were loud/unashamed about it. It stopped that particular run of gossip and I honestly hope that they got the message that what they were doing was terrible. I doubt it, but I hold out hope. I haven't seen any of them back at the gym since then to see if they'll do it again.

[b i o n i c]

I said, "aw hells nah" then ate an entire pizza soaked in coke. in her bed.


AHAHAH that made me larf.



it's hard not to look at someone very obviously overweight and not start making judgements or assumptions about why he/she is. but seriously, it's not like they aren't people...i mean, there's got to be some underlying reason why that person is overweight to such a degree, but it's so common what with our diets and inactive lifestyles that it's not unusual anymore. it's the norm.

yup. there really do have to be underlying problems.... they don't want to be fat anymore than i don't want to boney. and its hard for me to get/stay in shape too, just people aren't all that fucked up to me for being thin. while fat people have to fight to not eat, i struggle to eat and eat right. most thin people eat just as bad as fat people. just look at people's shopping carts at the supermarket. btw, my friend IS in the beginning stages of getting gastric bypass - which i'm very proud of her for doing - but let me tell ya guys... it aint gonna be any easier. its a fucking hard process and will continue to be a huge struggle after the surgury. her stomach will be the size of a lemon but her cravings will still be there. poor thing.

[b i o n i c]

enree... i come across those people all the time and it really does make me sick. it enfuriates me actually. will ya knock one of them in the face with a dumbell for me?

[adam_f]

I recently broke up with my girlfriend, who even before this incident was getting on my nerves like only she could. We were at Best Buy and she saw this girl we went to school with, whom I was friends with but she wasn't. This girl had put on a little bit of weight, not an incredible amount, just enough so that if you hadn't seen her in awhile you'd notice, but wouldn't if you kept in contact with her on a daily basis. Anyway, my girlfriend started ripping on her behind her back, making snide comment after snide comment, until finally I said that she's added on a few pounds herself and should maybe drop the Krispy Kremes she covets so much in favor of some rice cakes. She shot me a look, one that could've turned an average man to stone, and walked out of the store, exiting with a certain finger raised in the air signaling that I'm number one in her heart. I then went over and talked to my old friend and shared a coffee and orange juice with her and talked for awhile.

Later that day she sent me a message saying that we were through, to which I sent back "I slashed your tires." I didn't slash her tires though. I just hope she went outside and checked.

[b i o n i c]

good on ya, bro...

did ya hit dat chunky ass or what?

[Qdrop]

fat people waste thier lives and health due to inexusable reasons.
just like drug addicts.

it's a choice.
they are free to make it.

we are free to mock them for it.

particularly when they are probably the biggest contributor to recent rising healthcare costs that WE ALL pay...

[Lyman Zerga]

not always a choice

[Qdrop]

not always a choice

yeah, what's the % on that?

take a guess.

[Lyman Zerga]

i dont know how many people have the prader willie syndrome
but it sure isnt fun

[g-mile7]

fat people are jolly though...

[b i o n i c]

qdrop, dude, come on now.

not all fat people's lives are of consequence to yours. let's just say it was a fat tourist visiting from a country to which you contribute nothing to. let's just say its a fat person who pays more taxes than you do. let's say its a fat person who pays their medical expenses out of pocket.

you'd still hate them. why?

[milleson]

fat people waste thier lives and health due to inexusable reasons.
just like drug addicts.

it's a choice.
they are free to make it.

we are free to mock them for it.

particularly when they are probably the biggest contributor to recent rising healthcare costs that WE ALL pay...

I certainly hope you grow up one day.

Inexcusable reasons? How about those living with a terminal illness, one that prevents them from being as physically active as they once were? One where they have to take pain meds round the clock, just so they can accomplish tasks like going to the grocery store and picking up the kids from school.

Bigots are way more worrisome than overweight people any day.

edit:RSD (http://www.neurologychannel.com/rsd/symptoms.shtml)

[Qdrop]

qdrop, dude, come on now.

not all fat people's lives are of consequence to yours. let's just say it was a fat tourist visiting from a country to which you contribute nothing to. let's just say its a fat person who pays more taxes than you do. let's say its a fat person who pays their medical expenses out of pocket.

you'd still hate them. why?

HATE is a strong word.

taxes aside, though...i still find them pathetic. just like i do smoker who have lung or heart issues and keep smoking. or alcoholics with bad livers who keep drinking. or gamblers with no money and a destroyed family who keep gambling...

[g-mile7]

q's been in rare form this past 2 or so weeks. Guess he coming out of retirement

[b i o n i c]

most people with terminal illnesses do not get fat

[adam_f]

I was a fat kid for awhile like Jerry O'Connell in Stand By Me. My Aunt said I looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy.

[g-mile7]

I was chubby from 6th-9th grade then I hit them weights

[b i o n i c]

HATE is a strong word.

taxes aside, though...i still find them pathetic. just like i do smoker who have lung or heart issues and keep smoking. or alcoholics with bad livers who keep drinking. or gamblers with no money and a destroyed family who keep gambling...


q, people are pathetic in so many ways... not always in a manner that you can see on the outside. people waaaaayy more pathetic than fatties get treated a lot better. and if a person is pathetic, why hate them instead of empathising with them?

[g-mile7]

q, people are pathetic in so many ways... not always in a manner that you can see on the outside. people waaaaayy more pathetic than fatties get treated a lot better. and if a person is pathetic, why hate them instead of empathising with them?



Real talk.

[Qdrop]

I certainly hope you grow up one day.

Inexcusable reasons? How about those living with a terminal illness, one that prevents them from being as physically active as they once were? One where they have to take pain meds round the clock, just so they can accomplish tasks like going to the grocery store and picking up the kids from school.



uh huh. cause you know vast majority of obese/fat people are fat because they have a terminal illness.
yeah.



i'm always amazed at the number of people who try to play apologists for some pathetic group, by citing some rare, left-field condition that may cause it and therefore aquit them of guilt.

[Qdrop]

q, people are pathetic in so many ways... not always in a manner that you can see on the outside. people waaaaayy more pathetic than fatties get treated a lot better.
a non sequitur.
finding other people who are more pathetic, does not dismiss the others.

and if a person is pathetic, why hate them instead of empathising with them?
depends if the person's plight was through poor choice, or something beyond thier control, etc....

empathizing can be a path to enabling.

[cosmo105]

sigh. not even worth getting into.

[abcdefz]

I think some people dislike fat people because it looks like a pretty exaggerated example of weakness. That's a kind of primal response, but I think it's so.

What irks me is when someone who's particularly fat (or two people or whatever) take up an entire sidewalk or aisle in a store or something, so you can't pass them. Inevitably, they've got that sorting of slow, lumbering, rolling walk, and it's annoying getting stuck behind them.

[g-mile7]

This goes with everything I have said since FEb 2006, how can you hate/dislike someone who is not doing you any wrong, directly or even indirectly? It is beyond me it really is, how guilty people are of doing this.

[Qdrop]

I think some people are dislike fat people because it looks like a pretty exaggerated example of weakness.
!

[b i o n i c]

a non sequitur.
finding other people who are more pathetic, does not dismiss the others.

depends if the person's plight was through poor choice, or something beyond thier control, etc....

empathizing can be a path to enabling.


non-sequitur, modus tollens, post hoc ergo propter hoc, whatever... in plain english: people way way way more pathetic than fatties get treated a whole lot better

and most people on here know what i mean

[Qdrop]

..

[Waus]

..

...And this is why we hate fat people.

[b i o n i c]

just a primer:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/warming/

here's a contrasting view you may not have heard much:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/warming/debate/singer.html

more:
http://www.skepticism.net/faq/enviro...ing/index.html

^click through those for some counter points you may not have heard in your college dorm room late night debates or at the coffee house....

some other scientific opinions on the skepticism of global warming's causes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ng_consens us

i got more, hold on...





WHAT?!?!

[Qdrop]

dude, i deleted that like 2 seconds after i accidentally posted it...

what are you, just hanging on my every post to see that so quick?

dang, chill...

[g-mile7]

dude, i deleted that like 2 seconds after i accidentally posted it...

what are you, just hanging on my every post to see that so quick?

dang, chill...


EVREEBAHDY CHEEELL

EETS GOING TO BE AH COOOL SUMMAH

[Bob]

i don't hate fat people, but if i hate someone for another reason, i'll hold their fatness against them too

i'm really not a people person, if i said half the things i thought, i'd probably get beat up a lot

[b i o n i c]

dude, i deleted that like 2 seconds after i accidentally posted it...

what are you, just hanging on my every post to see that so quick?

dang, chill...


it also takes less than 2 seconds to click on 'reply'... let's not get all gay about this. don't make me get my fat friend to sit on you... she won't be fat for long, you know

[abcdefz]

I don't know if it's fair to say people "hate fat people," but you might rephrase the question as "why are people repulsed by obesity?"

[g-mile7]

You know you love them ButterMuffins Q


2002(with intro with baby cakes jones)


http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=2989BC5C03D60AAE


live 2004(without intro but better quality)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=5932DC7E282A3401

[enree erzweglle]

This goes with everything I have said since FEb 2006, how can you hate/dislike someone who is not doing you any wrong, directly or even indirectly? It is beyond me it really is, how guilty people are of doing this.Excellent. Even when people have hurt me--done me wrong directly--it's still not a thing to do, to hate them. When we're talking about people and race and groups of people and societies, that word is thrown around way, way too casually.

And Q, I don't have the stats offhand, but I can tell you that you can gain and lose an awful lot of weight and very, very quickly when you have endocrine problems. Not everyone can use that as an excuse, but those problems account for a lot of health problems that often go undiagnosed.

That said, I do agree, though, that a lot of the day-to-day stuff that I see does appear to be cause and effect. People at the gym or at work or school who complain a lot and repeatedly about how they can't lose weight will say "I work out every day" and they whine about the fact that they can't lose fat. But their "workout" is a light 12 minutes followed by a 20-minute shower, and a lot of them go out and eat a day's worth of calories with one set of snacks. No exaggeration. Those people are making a choice and then they make another one when they complain about it. I do give you that and I would guess that a LOT of people are directly to blame for the fat they carry around. Not all, though, but a lot. Just a guess from observation. No empirical data to support that.

[g-mile7]

Excellent. Even when people have hurt me--done me wrong directly--it's still not a thing to do, to hate them. When we're talking about people and race and groups of people and societies, that word is thrown around way, way too casually.



Just like Love.

[QueenAdrock]

HATE is a strong word.

taxes aside, though...i still find them pathetic. just like i do smoker who have lung or heart issues and keep smoking. or alcoholics with bad livers who keep drinking. or gamblers with no money and a destroyed family who keep gambling...

It's a fact. Qdrop lives in a world where everyone he knows has perfect, guilt-free jobs, he knows no fat people, drug addicts, smokers, alcoholics, gamblers, or other people struggling with anything else, because if he did he'd know there are situations beyond people's control sometimes. Humans by nature are weak, and just because they sometimes fail doesn't mean they don't TRY their hardest to make it otherwise. It's either try and win, or you're not doing anything at all and you're a failure at life.

I'm glad for you, Bradd. I wish I knew what it was like to live in the black-and-white, and not the gray area. I bet things would be a LOT less complicated if I could just say "It's like this or that. Nothing in between." I wouldn't even have to think and weigh each side of the issue and take circumstances into account. It'd be a lot easier, that's for sure.

[Chicka B]

Ok, I'm gonna use my mom as an example of what fat people go through. My mom is obese and she's been strugglin with it all her life. This is going to sound really bad, but she had a horrible childhood. She's been molested and beat, her mom was an alcoholic and anorexic (she only weighed 70 pounds), and she had to go through open heart surgery. Also she grew up poor, when she was a kid there was never anything to eat so she'd starved. Her fat ass dad would eat everything, she was lucky to have some fuckin peanut butter. So now she over eats to make up for that. Of course she has mental illnesses from that, she had to get shock treatments to make her forget all that shit, she gets depression and sleeps all day, and she's an emotional eater. She even attempted suicide, I remember when I was 8 she cut her wrist and had to get sent to a mental hospital. It's like eating is the only thing that makes her happy. BUT out of 5 kids, she's the only obese one. You know why? Because her 2 brothers and 2 sisters are drug addicts. My aunt (the youngest one) is the worse of them all, she actally prostitutes for drugs. So my mom actually turned out to be the best kid of them all, she don't smoke/drink/or do drugs, she just eats. Lately things are getting a lot better though, and I've been helping her. Since we can't walk outside because assholes will make fun of her, my dad got us a YMCA membership so she can walk on the treadmill and stuff. She don't wanna do it alone, so I'm helping by being on a diet and excersizing with her like a workout buddy. And I like it because it keeps me in shape and I'm helpin my mom out because she's done a lot for me. (y) I'd be surprised if anyone read all that. But it just goes to show you, that not all fat people get that way just because they lazy and like to eat, something makes them that way. So don't make fun of them. Oh, and I'm not fat by the way I'm "normal", but I admit I have an eating disorder. My dad's fat too so fat people run in my family. :o

[Nuzzolese]

My disgust and judgement of others - for whatever, mirrors my own problems and highlights my own weaknesses so I feel guilty. I don't like facing my own prejudices so I avoid eye contact and resign myself to dislike people so as not to come to terms with my inability to accept them, and consequently, my poor character.

[Nuzzolese]

The problem with saying that you're enabling someone with a problem, just because you're being kind or empathetic towards them, is that it doesn't account for the ways in which negative reinforcement can affect a person's choices. Enabling would mean you are encouraging people to get fatter. But being kind, accepting, and encouraging doesn't enable someone, if what the person needs to lose weight is some variety of those things, to build self esteem and encouragement.

Although there are some occasional attempts to say big is beautiful and some people resistent to change, most obese people have low senses of self worth and don't think they can change. Encouraging them that they are beautiful and valuable individuals might help them make healthy changes. Meanwhile, making fun of someone may light a fire under the cellulite of a few, but for many would probably only continue the cylce of self abuse and in that way would be enabling.

[Qdrop]

It's a fact. Qdrop lives in a world where everyone he knows has perfect, guilt-free jobs, he knows no fat people, drug addicts, smokers, alcoholics, gamblers, or other people struggling with anything else, i know and have known plenty. and found them pathetic. ALL of them got THEMSELVES in those postions. they are not victims.

Humans by nature are weak what a pathetic cop out.

, and just because they sometimes fail doesn't mean they don't TRY their hardest to make it otherwise. It's either try and win, or you're not doing anything at all and you're a failure at life. i'm not quite that hardline...but thanks for the forced picture anyway.

I'm glad for you, Bradd. I wish I knew what it was like to live in the black-and-white, and not the gray area. I bet things would be a LOT less complicated if I could just say "It's like this or that. Nothing in between." I wouldn't even have to think and weigh each side of the issue and take circumstances into account. It'd be a lot easier, that's for sure.
^ you say all this while you falsely paint ME as completely black and white.
textbook hypocrisy...or irony....whichever you prefer.

[Qdrop]

The problem with saying that you're enabling someone with a problem, just because you're being kind or empathetic towards them, is that it doesn't account for the ways in which negative reinforcement can affect a person's choices. Enabling would mean you are encouraging people to get fatter. But being kind, accepting, and encouraging doesn't enable someone, if what the person needs to lose weight is some variety of those things, to build self esteem and encouragement.

Although there are some occasional attempts to say big is beautiful and some people resistent to change, most obese people have low senses of self worth and don't think they can change. Encouraging them that they are beautiful and valuable individuals might help them make healthy changes. Meanwhile, making fun of someone may light a fire under the cellulite of a few, but for many would probably only continue the cylce of self abuse and in that way would be enabling.

that's just pure speculation.
the fact is....i don't think other people's opinions/reactions really matter one way or the other to them.

they would probably eat the exact same if they were stranded on an island with unlimited food and devoid of any praise OR ridicule.

the actions and choices come from within...not simply the emotional environment around them.

[g-mile7]

My disgust and judgement of others - for whatever, mirrors my own problems and highlights my own weaknesses so I feel guilty. I don't like facing my own prejudices so I avoid eye contact and resign myself to dislike people so as not to come to terms with my inability to accept them, and consequently, my poor character.


deep'

[g-mile7]

that's just pure speculation.
the fact is....i don't think other people's opinions/reactions really matter one way or the other to them.

they would probably eat the exact same if they were stranded on an island with unlimited food and devoid of any praise OR ridicule.

the actions and choices come from within...not simply the emotional environment around them.


This is pure speculation as well

[Nuzzolese]

i know and have known plenty. and found them pathetic. ALL of them got THEMSELVES in those postions. they are not victims.


Thinking that someone's situation is pathetic isn't the same as not having compassion for them and their suffering and how many problems they have. It is possible to empathize with someone's pain and mistakes, and at the same time tell them they're not okay just the way they are. If someone is biologically susceptible to alcoholism, was raised in an alcoholic home, and grows up to have a drinking problem that gets them into trouble...why would you be so cruel as to write the person off as pathetic? They have problems, it isn't babying them to say "yeah you're life is tough and you made mistakes but you're worth making an effort to keep trying"

[Bob]

that's just pure speculation.
the fact is....i don't think other people's opinions/reactions really matter one way or the other to them.

they would probably eat the exact same if they were stranded on an island with unlimited food and devoid of any praise OR ridicule.

the actions and choices come from within...not simply the emotional environment around them.

eh? isn't this just more speculation?

i kinda agree with nuzz there; empathy isn't the only thing that would convince a fat person to stay fat. if you're fat and people just look at you like you're disgusting, and you think that everyone dislikes you because you're fat, wouldn't you start to think "what's the point? why even try getting better, i'm hopeless".

that's just speculation too, but i'm not saying it's not

[Nuzzolese]

that's just pure speculation.
the fact is....i don't think other people's opinions/reactions really matter one way or the other to them.

they would probably eat the exact same if they were stranded on an island with unlimited food and devoid of any praise OR ridicule.

the actions and choices come from within...not simply the emotional environment around them.

I disagree, especially when it comes to women. I know that personally, I react very strongly to environmental reinforcement, and from what I've studied in behavioral psychology, most children of either gender react strongly to environmental cues about behavior and ideas about self worth. I feel pretty confident in what I'm saying.

[Qdrop]

eh? isn't this just more speculation?



yes it is.

sorry if i came off as claiming that is wasn't.

when i say "the fact is"...it's the conversational use of the word. i'm not really claiming to be fact.

alot of what we are saying is speculation....

except the health care costs, and the % of fat/obese people actually having a substantial medical reason for their condition.

[Nuzzolese]

alot of what we are saying is speculation....



But they are speculations based on a wide and deep range of personal contacts and interactions and studies and work experience. Of course not every obese person has the same things going on. It's moot to bring up the fact that we are speculating when we're talking about such a diversified issue.

[Qdrop]

Thinking that someone's situation is pathetic isn't the same as not having compassion for them and their suffering and how many problems they have. It is possible to empathize with someone's pain and mistakes, and at the same time tell them they're not okay just the way they are. If someone is biologically susceptible to alcoholism, was raised in an alcoholic home, and grows up to have a drinking problem that gets them into trouble...why would you be so cruel as to write the person off as pathetic? They have problems, it isn't babying them to say "yeah you're life is tough and you made mistakes but you're worth making an effort to keep trying"

of course i'm just some heartless bitch without pity or empathy.

if my alcholic friend wanted help, i'd give it - and with kind words and a shoulder to listen to. but until then (when he actually admits to the problem and asks for help)...he's fuckin cut off.

[Qdrop]

But they are speculations based on a wide and deep range of personal contacts and interactions and studies and work experience. Of course not every obese person has the same things going on. It's moot to bring up the fact that we are speculating when we're talking about such a diversified issue.

fine.
statement retracted.
happy?

[Qdrop]

I disagree, especially when it comes to women. I know that personally, I react very strongly to environmental reinforcement, and from what I've studied in behavioral psychology, most children of either gender react strongly to environmental cues about behavior and ideas about self worth. I feel pretty confident in what I'm saying.

well, coming from a scientific point of view....
first you have the genetical side of the issue. genes effect metabolism, fat deposition, target weights to some degree, on and on.

now you can't help the genes you are born with, but unless you're a genetic determinist, you have faith in a humans ability to reason and choose, and to against innate desires and predilictions.

men are prone to sexual polygomy, but we don't excuse them if they cheat.

humans in general have innate sense of kinship, xenophobia, and group think...which lends itself to racist thinking...but we don't excuse racists for such.

if we expect others to overcome genetic predilictions for other social ills, why can that not be expected of the obese?

also,
much of the current research is finding that our bodies seem to find it's target wieght and fat/muscle ratio at an early age (adolescance) and that IS effected strongly by environment - how much you parents are feeding you, how much you eat at a sitting, snacking, etc.
fat kids turn into fat adults...and there bodies are nearly forever struggling against that "faulty" prime directive that was programmed into their body (a higher target body weight), often as children...

but again...it can be overcome. it would require more effort, and a CONSTANT LIFELONG effort...not just a diet...but it's doable.

we as a society constantly praise those that overcome obstacles...
shit who of us haven't...or don't know someone who has?
why give the obese a pass?

[Nuzzolese]

of course i'm just some heartless bitch without pity or empathy.

if my alcholic friend wanted help, i'd give it - and with kind words and a shoulder to listen to. but until then (when he actually admits to the problem and asks for help)...he's fuckin cut off.

Sometimes reckless self abuse IS a cry for help!

[Nuzzolese]

well, coming from a scientific point of view....
first you have the genetical side of the issue. genes effect metabolism, fat deposition, target weights to some degree, on and on.

now you can't help the genes you are born with, but unless you're a genetic determinist, you have faith in a humans ability to reason and choose, and to against innate desires and predilictions.

men are prone to sexual polygomy, but we don't excuse them if they cheat.

humans in general have innate sense of kinship, xenophobia, and group think...which lends itself to racist thinking...but we don't excuse racists for such.

if we expect others to overcome genetic predilictions for other social ills, why can that not be expected of the obese?

also,
much of the current research is finding that our bodies seem to find it's target wieght and fat/muscle ratio at an early age (adolescance) and that IS effected strongly by environment - how much you parents are feeding you, how much you eat at a sitting, snacking, etc.
fat kids turn into fat adults...and there bodies are nearly forever struggling against that "faulty" prime directive that was programmed into their body (a higher target body weight), often as children...

but again...it can be overcome. it would require more effort, and a CONSTANT LIFELONG effort...not just a diet...but it's doable.

we as a society constantly praise those that overcome obstacles...
shit who of us haven't...or don't know someone who has?
why give the obese a pass?


I agree with what you're saying and I think that we do reward people who lose weight. I don't see how all of this relates to what I was saying, which was that environmental reinforcement affects a person's sense of self worth and lifestyle habits and such. Yes, of course it would require effort, life ain't fair. But why make it worse for people who already have been dealt a bad hand? Again, I'm not saying give people a pass, there's just no need to kick someone when they're down. If obesity levels are the problem affecting all of us as you say they are (healthcare costs) isn't it helpful to everyone to not encourage bad eating habits by beating someone down who's already feeling shitty about themselves and giving up or retaliating in defense by "owning" their fatness?

[g-mile7]

well, coming from a scientific point of view....
first you have the genetical side of the issue. genes effect metabolism, fat deposition, target weights to some degree, on and on.

now you can't help the genes you are born with, but unless you a genetic determinist, you have faith in a humans ability to reason and choose, and to against innate desires and predilictions.

men are prone to sexual polygomy, but we don't excuse them if they cheat.

humans in general have innate sense of kinship, xenophobia, and group think...which lends itself to racist thinking...but we don't excuse racists for such.

if we expect others to overcome genetic predilictions for other social ills, why can that not be expected of the obese?

also,
much of the current research is finding that our bodies seem to find it's target wieght and fat/muscle ratio at an early age (adolescance) and that IS effected strongly by environment and how much you parents are feeding you.
fat kids turn into fat adults...and there bodies are nearly forever struggling against that "faulty" prime directive that was programmed into their body, often as children...

but again...it can be overcome. it would require more effort, and a CONSTANT LIFELONG effort...not just a diet...but it's doable.

we as a society constantly praise those that overcome obstacles...
shit who of us haven't...or don't know someone who has?
why give the obese a pass?


It is not as simple as dropping the super off your size though. Many people who have balloned to a certain weight find it incredibly hard to lose weight to a point where they are not obsese. In fact, many people who do not appear to be obssese are, by medical standards, obesed. It is an obstacle that might even kill the person either way if the weight is lost and the body is not able to adapt to the dramatic loss or if the person gains more weight. The best way is to try and maintain a certain weight no matter if that is seen as fat.

It is a known fact that we, as humans, in the days of early man did not have access to the high number of fat products that are here now. We were meant to eat high in fiber foods and some protiens. In essence, we have gone agianst our own gentic code and made it so out of whack that simple choices even can not fight nature since it is too late.

And if what you say is true that fat kid become fat adults because their parents feed them too much, shoudln't your stern beliefs and feelings be more directed towards the parents then the actaul fat individual?

[g-mile7]

Nuzz > Q.


Cmute>Chuck Norris

[QueenAdrock]

i know and have known plenty. and found them pathetic. ALL of them got THEMSELVES in those postions. they are not victims.

So WHAT if they've gotten themselves into those positions? They may not be victims, they may have done it to themselves, but do you think they WANTED to? News flash: PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. I can personally tell you I don't know ONE fat person who isn't trying to get better. I don't know one person who is fat, and proud to be that way. As a matter of fact, all the fat people I know regret the decisions they've made in life and are taking steps to getting better.

Take for example, my ex. He had a weakness and was addicted to food for quite some time, and decided it was time he did something about it. He exercised, he ate better, he still couldn't lose the weight so he got the surgery. He still ate better and exercised, and lost all the excess weight - his doctor told him he was healthy, even though he was still overweight because his cholesterol was down, his heart was better than ever, and it was a long shot that he'd lose those extra pounds anyways because a lot of it was just excess skin. But people STILL looked down their noses at him, because he was still chubby. Did he deserve that? No. But people see the fat, they don't see how they've come to terms with their obesity and tried to do something about it. They see that they have chosen their lifestyles, and therefore deserve it.

I hope for your sake, you've never gotten sunburned in your life, or anyone close to you. Because if any of you come down with skin cancer, it's your own fucking fault.

what a pathetic cop out.

There's such thing as human weakness. Ever want to have sex and not get someone pregnant? Ever want to eat something sweet, not because you're hungry, but because you want to taste it? Everyone gives into temptation. You can't deny that. Some more so than others. They might have eating disorders, depression, whatever else. I lost weight when I had my heart broken, but I know many people who GAINED weight when they were dumped. Yeah, that's their fault that they turned to food. But I at least, can't be heartless and say "you shouldn't have done that." Because there are other factors at work for weight gain a lot of the time, besides for genetics. Not just because they wanted to eat, but because there's something BEHIND them wanting to eat.


^ you say all this while you falsely paint ME as completely black and white.
textbook hypocrisy...or irony....whichever you prefer.

Yeah, it's the same sort of thing as hating hatred. Tell me, ARE you more gray area, and not black and white? Please, give me examples of how you are not. I apologize if I do write you off as being black-and-white, but from every single post I've ever seen you make, that's the exact impression that you give off. I've tried to search your posts for more gray area understanding, but have yet to see it.

[g-mile7]

oooooo

[g-mile7]

So WHAT if they've gotten themselves into those positions? They may not be victims, they may have done it to themselves, but do you think they WANTED to? News flash: PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES. I can personally tell you I don't know ONE fat person who isn't trying to get better. I don't know one person who is fat, and proud to be that way. As a matter of fact, all the fat people I know regret the decisions they've made in life and are taking steps to getting better.

Take for example, my ex. He had a weakness and was addicted to food for quite some time, and decided it was time he did something about it. He exercised, he ate better, he still couldn't lose the weight so he got the surgery. He still ate better and exercised, and lost all the excess weight - his doctor told him he was healthy, even though he was still overweight because his cholesterol was down, his heart was better than ever, and it was a long shot that he'd lose those extra pounds anyways because a lot of it was just excess skin. But people STILL looked down their noses at him, because he was still chubby. Did he deserve that? No. But people see the fat, they don't see how they've come to terms with their obesity and tried to do something about it. They see that they have chosen their lifestyles, and therefore deserve it.

I hope for your sake, you've never gotten sunburned in your life, or anyone close to you. Because if any of you come down with skin cancer, it's your own fucking fault.



There's such thing as human weakness. Ever want to have sex and not get someone pregnant? Ever want to eat something sweet, not because you're hungry, but because you want to taste it? Everyone gives into temptation. You can't deny that. Some more so than others. They might have eating disorders, depression, whatever else. I lost weight when I had my heart broken, but I know many people who GAINED weight when they were dumped. Yeah, that's their fault that they turned to food. But I at least, can't be heartless and say "you shouldn't have done that." Because there are other factors at work a lot of the time, besides for genetics. Not just because they wanted to eat, but because there's something BEHIND them wanting to eat.



Yeah, it's the same sort of thing as hating hatred. Tell me, ARE you more gray area, and not black and white? Please, give me examples of how you are not. I apologize if I do write you off as being black-and-white, but from every single post I've ever seen you make, that's the exact impression that you give off. I've tried to search your posts for more gray area understanding, but have yet to see it.


Good work



He's even implied before that he isn't, I still can recall a complimant (which I still respect and am apperictive of) where he said that I, for the most part compared to many on here (which I think included himself), try to "stay in the middle and see both sides" and that I shoul be a teacher.


But this is a lesser form of discrimnation.......but unlike smokers (who second hand smoke can kill) and drinkers (who can hurt people directly unless they in the swamps by themselve listening to Toby Keith) they aren't hurting no one but themselves, leave them be.

[Qdrop]

Sometimes reckless self abuse IS a cry for help!

can't help those who won't help themselves.

they have to admit to their problem first.

[g-mile7]

can't help those who won't help themselves.

they have to admit to their problem first.


I agree with this however; you see this even in the most minut' form (such as a recent relationship problem I had with an old flame of mine).

[cosmo105]

they aren't hurting no one but themselves, leave them be.
not true. it hurt my family more than a little when my father died of morbid obesity.

[Qdrop]

I hope for your sake, you've never gotten sunburned in your life, or anyone close to you. Because if any of you come down with skin cancer, it's your own fucking fault.

absolutely right it would be.
i know the risks.
we all do.




Ever want to have sex and not get someone pregnant? Ever want to eat something sweet, not because you're hungry, but because you want to taste it? Everyone gives into temptation. You can't deny that. Some more so than others.
but this proves nothing.
what? the existence of temptation and mistakes means we must excuse those who make them?
i'm not saying there can't be some level of empathy really...but not on the level of back rubbing and social acceptance.
respect you body! you only get one.


They might have eating disorders, depression, whatever else. I lost weight when I had my heart broken, but I know many people who GAINED weight when they were dumped. Yeah, that's their fault that they turned to food. But I at least, can't be heartless and say "you shouldn't have done that." Because there are other factors at work for weight gain a lot of the time, besides for genetics. Not just because they wanted to eat, but because there's something BEHIND them wanting to eat.
very sad.
now lose the weight.
no more excuses.
lose the weight and get healthy.

i've never mocked a fat person that i saw in the gym or jogging.
i admire them.

i mock the ones at the theme park with the fried dough in one hand and the mega size coke in the other

[b i o n i c]

most of them know they have a problem, no problem admitting it

[Nuzzolese]

can't help those who won't help themselves.

they have to admit to their problem first.

I think that whoever first said that, didn't mean that you're just supposed to sit around and wait for the troubled person to come around. That's just my interpretation. I don't think it means "give up" you tard.

[abcdefz]

I think that whoever first said that, didn't mean that you're just supposed to sit around and wait for the troubled person to come around. That's just my interpretation. I don't think it means "give up" you tard.


Why do people HATE retards so damn much?

[Qdrop]

I think that whoever first said that, didn't mean that you're just supposed to sit around and wait for the troubled person to come around. That's just my interpretation. I don't think it means "give up" you tard.

trust me.
i do my share of interventions and calling people out.

then they gotta meet me halfway.









now i got that "Over the Top" song in my head...

[Qdrop]

most of them know they have a problem, no problem admitting it

i beg to differ.

i know many obese people (family included), shit..who doesn't?


and those that "admit" to being "kinda heavy" and "yeah...i gotta do something about this" are often doing nothing other than paying lipservice to those around them. putting on a show.
nothing changes.

[cosmo105]

and those that "admit" to being "kinda heavy" and "yeah...i gotta do something about this" are often doing nothing other than paying lipservice to those around them. putting on a show.
nothing changes.
oh please. you don't know how they feel about it. i'm sure inside they're very, very self-conscious about it and would love to be thin, or at least thinner.

[Qdrop]

oh please. you don't know how they feel about it. i'm sure inside they're very, very self-conscious about it and would love to be thin, or at least thinner.

i guess we are both just speculating.

that has already been established though.

[Nuzzolese]

Oh Q, I thought you were saying you mocked fatties indiscriminantly just for tipping the scales. (earlier I almost used the phrase 'tipping the scales' metaphorically and now I regret not doing it) And I'm glad you turn your hat around when it's time for business.

[Nuzzolese]

i guess we are both just speculating.

that has already been established though.

It's a moo point. It's like a cow's opinion, it just doesn't matter. It's moo.
Speaking of cows...!

[cosmo105]

i guess we are both just speculating.

that has already been established though.
i know my father was extremely self-concious about his weight. we never talked about it. once or twice i'd try to ask him whether he should be eating better or watching his diet, and he'd change the subject. he was really insecure about it....when you're overweight, you know it.

p.s. nuzz said "tipping" and then "cows"...that's so cruel, nuzz!

[Bob]

It's a moo point. It's like a cow's opinion, it just doesn't matter. It's moo.
Speaking of cows...!

are you saying fat people's opinions don't matter? you weightist.

[Qdrop]

Oh Q, I thought you were saying you mocked fatties indiscriminantly just for tipping the scales. (earlier I almost used the phrase 'tipping the scales' metaphorically and now I regret not doing it) And I'm glad you turn your hat around when it's time for business.

nuzz, you wouldn't recognize me in my daily life.
but the same can be said for any of us.

[g-mile7]

not true. it hurt my family more than a little when my father died of morbid obesity.



My apologies for your lost, I hope you know that I didn't mean it "not hurting anyone but themselves" in terms of people you know and care for, I meant it as strangers (which is why Q is so easily able to attack those who are obsese). Once again, with whatever I have said or you ngative to each other, I am sorry for that and I mean that.

[g-mile7]

nuzz, you wouldn't recognize me in my daily life.
but the same can be said for any of us.



Specalution;)

[enree erzweglle]

enree... i come across those people all the time and it really does make me sick. it enfuriates me actually. will ya knock one of them in the face with a dumbell for me?:)

Today, I spent time with my dad, who is sick :( and who is close to 80 and who is a simple, happy, unassuming guy. Down to earth, good listener. Just very kind & in the midst of what he's going through, he still reaches out to people. I love that. Anyway, today, he was talking about tolerance and there was a sort of melancholy in his voice for the things he was thinking about, like he's thinking maybe that after these many years, some things maybe would have changed but they haven't and it's like he was sort of realizing that in real time, as he spoke. He usually doesn't talk about stuff like that much--he more listens to me prattle on about it. But he just had these simple and profound things to say about tolerance wrt religion, religious conflicts, clashes of ideologies and he was so gentle about it all. It was just the perfect storm of sweetness with emphasis, meshed with a kind of naive/innocent incredularity. I wanted to sic him on those gossipy people at the gym--he'd have more of an effect on them than the dumbell to the head and it would maybe bring about less litigious results.

[g-mile7]

This is my problem at times with you Q, you take such a hardline stance, when common sense tells you that there can be expections. When people call you on it, you get defensive, and fight without considering what it is that people have said. You are so determined to prove you're right, that willing to carrying on, eventhough you know you are not. You said admire the fat person working out, but not the one eating unhealthy food at an amusement park. Do you know what happen to that person before they ordered their food? Did some dumbass just call them fast even though they are trying to lose weight by working out just hours before at the gym? Do you know if they tried to order something, but there isn't too much healthy food to choose from at an amusement park? How do you know that they are not drinking unsweetened tea instead of a coke? The point is Q that you don't, but you are willing to make harsh statements without knowing the facts about that person, and call fat people pathetic.

I do not mean this in a mean or threatening way, but if this is how you truly feel, I pray that if you have children that they do not have a medical condition that causes them to be overweight so you won't have to look at them as pathetic.


My only question is, if I remember correct, Q is dating a very swell girl (I assume that the I LOVE U bombs have been dropped on Q-oshima) I wonder if he'd love her the same if she all of a sudden begane to become overweight. And if he replys "i would, but try to motivate her to lose weight", what if she saids the typical "you should love me for me and not how I look". When it hits close to home you can relate to it better, but like I said in your its not racism thread, when your an outsider looking in the insiders have a better view of the sitiution

[cosmo105]

enree :) that reminds me of my grandpa. the most well-spoken, fair, and benevolent person i've ever known. having a conversation with him is always such a treat. you always walk away with a smile and some profound thoughts floating around.

[Auton]

EVREEBAHDY CHEEELL

EETS GOING TO BE AH COOOL SUMMAH

hahahahaha

[g-mile7]

hahahahaha


;)

[ggirlballa]

its no wonder so many americans are fat with the food thats available there. fuckin disgusting.





seriously most people only have time to buy food on the go and the only food availble that u can get at a drive thru is the greasy fattening stuff.:mad: the only place that serves healthy stuff on the go is SubWay i really can't think of eny other places.

i'm at normal weight for my height(y) yet i still have some flab here & there:o . I don't have a flat tummy:( (but i'm working on it!(y) )

[Auton]

i don't hate fat people. i just hate fat, ignorant, resource wasting americans.

[Auton]

oh, and people who overfeed their kids, or train them to only eat fast food.

[g-mile7]

I just wish I could debate one y'all in real life.....that would be greta maybe you should give me a call sometime'....

[g-mile7]

oh, and people who overfeed their kids, or train them to only eat fast food.


Maury??? "MY BABY 400 lBS YO I DONT KNOW WHY I MEAN IM A GOOD MOM I FEED HER CHICKEN WINGS AND RIBS AND SHIT WHEN SHE CRY, I DONT WNAT MY BABY IN PAINNNNNNN"

[Qdrop]

This is my problem at times with you Q, you take such a hardline stance, when common sense tells you that there can be expections. When people call you on it, you get defensive, and fight without considering what it is that people have said. You are so determined to prove you're right, that willing to carrying on, eventhough you know you are not. yeah yeah...the ever popular "every one KNOWS you're wrong, Q" stand by comment.
so lame.
where can you objectivley prove me wrong?

You said admire the fat person working out, but not the one eating unhealthy food at an amusement park. Do you know what happen to that person before they ordered their food? Did some dumbass just call them fast even though they are trying to lose weight by working out just hours before at the gym? Do you know if they tried to order something, but there isn't too much healthy food to choose from at an amusement park? How do you know that they are not drinking unsweetened tea instead of a coke? The point is Q that you don't, but you are willing to make harsh statements without knowing the facts about that person, and call fat people pathetic. oh, that is the most bleeding heart liberal PC pile of tripe i have read on this board in fuckin forever.
jesus, i think Oprah would slap for that estrogen fest you just sprayed on me.

could you be more of an apologist?

I do not mean this in a mean or threatening way, but if this is how you truly feel, I pray that if you have children that they do not have a medical condition that causes them to be overweight so you won't have to look at them as pathetic.
hey thanks.

[g-mile7]

yeah yeah...the ever popular "every one KNOWS you're wrong, Q" stand by comment.
so lame.
where can you objectivley prove me wrong?

oh, that is the most bleeding heart liberal PC pile of tripe i have read on this board in fuckin forever.
jesus, i think Oprah would slap for that estrogen fest you just sprayed on me.


hey thanks.


I think its time to be put in your place;), I think it time we duel. If your up to it you should dial me up......I can't express all the true feelings I have bout your numerous subjects over the net.

[Lex Diamonds]

I'll tell you why people hate fat people.

First of all, men hate them because of a normal predisposition that all men have, which is to imagine having sex with every woman you see. And they hate fat men because being friends with a fat guy means everybody thinks you're some kind of nerd or outcast.

Women hate fat chicks because they are jealous of the fact that they don't care about their looks and can eat as much chocolate or cake as they want without going for a 7-hour jog the next day. Women hate fat men for the same reason as men hate fat women.

If dealing with gays, just swap the appropriate genders around. (y)

[Qdrop]

My only question is, if I remember correct, Q is dating a very swell girl (I assume that the I LOVE U bombs have been dropped on Q-oshima) I wonder if he'd love her the same if she all of a sudden begane to become overweight. And if he replys "i would, but try to motivate her to lose weight", what if she saids the typical "you should love me for me and not how I look". When it hits close to home you can relate to it better, but like I said in your its not racism thread, when your an outsider looking in the insiders have a better view of the sitiution

we've had that conversation.

i would still love her, but i wouldn't be attracted to her.

we both agree that to just physically let yourself go and not care about your spouses feelings, and in fact, to EXPECT them to love you and be attracted regardless of thier physical shape, is disrespectful and selfish.

[g-mile7]

we've had that conversation.

i would still love her, but i wouldn't be attracted to her.

we both agree that to just physically let yourself go and not care about your spouses feelings, and in fact, to EXPECT them to love you and be attracted regardless of thier physical shape, is disrespectful and selfish.


Selfish can be applyed in both instances but it is good that you both have spoken about this.

[g-mile7]

I'll tell you why people hate fat people.

First of all, men hate them because of a normal predisposition that all men have, which is to imagine having sex with every woman you see. And they hate fat men because being friends with a fat guy means everybody thinks you're some kind of nerd or outcast.

Women hate fat chicks because they are jealous of the fact that they don't care about their looks and can eat as much chocolate or cake as they want without going for a 7-hour jog the next day. Women hate fat men for the same reason as men hate fat women.

If dealing with gays, just swap the appropriate genders around. (y)


Men shoudln't hate fat men, unless they are like ARNULD(arnold)!!! BAHHHHHH

[sojaded]

Maury??? "MY BABY 400 lBS YO I DONT KNOW WHY I MEAN IM A GOOD MOM I FEED HER CHICKEN WINGS AND RIBS AND SHIT WHEN SHE CRY, I DONT WNAT MY BABY IN PAINNNNNNN"

Oh my goodness I saw that very same episode a few days ago. This woman's sister wouldn't even talk to her because she was so upset at the way she allowed her weight to balloon.

It was a pity. Those lil' fat kids were sooo cute.

[g-mile7]

Oh my goodness I saw that very same episode a few days ago. This woman's sister wouldn't even talk to her because she was so upset at the way she allowed her weight to balloon.

It was a pity. Those lil' fat kids were sooo cute.


And jolly

[Lex Diamonds]

You're no trouble for me and Pro
We're fuckin raw and we know
Your nothin more than a joke
Just suckin balls till you choke

[g-mile7]

My challenge is still on the table......

[Lex Diamonds]

Yeah Q got called out for a phone war.

Make sure you record it (if he doesn't PUSSY OUT that is).


LOL

[g-mile7]

he shook......it's just 10 cents a minute son.....thats an open challege to anyone really, step to god and shit of that nature.

[Auton]

is this a 1-800 number something gmile? are you going to tell him how hot you're getting?

[g-mile7]

is this a 1-800 number something gmile? are you going to tell him how hot you're getting?



least mine 1-800, you be chargin them peeps for your kinky toe suckin 1-900-UGodzilla and shit.

[ggirlballa]

he's dropping the gaunlet(y) (did i spell that right?:confused: )

[g-mile7]

[QUOTE=g-mile7] I think it time we duel. QUOTE]


he's dropping the gaunlet(y) (did i spell that right?:confused: )



I got what you said(y) I mean the curiosity to see if this person is how he acts on the board intrigues my psychlogist side (afeter Im going to UC Davis to study in this field as well as comm.)



221-0054......next hour or so'.Aint hard to find what area'

[b i o n i c]

the actions and choices come from within...not simply the emotional environment around them.

thats true, it is an internal struggle and the outer environment contributes to that ultimately internal struggle

when i say "the fact is"...it's the conversational use of the word. i'm not really claiming to be fact.

no you did not say that


if my alcholic friend wanted help, i'd give it - and with kind words and a shoulder to listen to.

did you not mean that or was that just you poking fun at the way you are


men are prone to sexual polygomy, but we don't excuse them if they cheat.

thats true but thats a whole other, more innate set of human programming youre talking about


much of the current research is finding that our bodies seem to find it's target wieght and fat/muscle ratio at an early age (adolescance) and that IS effected strongly by environment - how much you parents are feeding you, how much you eat at a sitting, snacking, etc.
fat kids turn into fat adults...and there bodies are nearly forever struggling against that "faulty" prime directive that was programmed into their body (a higher target body weight), often as children...

but again...it can be overcome. it would require more effort, and a CONSTANT LIFELONG effort...not just a diet...but it's doable.

we as a society constantly praise those that overcome obstacles...
shit who of us haven't...or don't know someone who has?
why give the obese a pass?

true true true. at the same time, its not up to you or me to give people a pass or not

and q, that thing you said about people still being fat even if they were stranded on a desert island... maybe youre right but

why make it worse for people who already have been dealt a bad hand? Again, I'm not saying give people a pass, there's just no need to kick someone when they're down.


they aren't hurting no one but themselves, leave them be.

it does hurt friends and family who care and can empathise with a loved ones struggles. thats multiplied by frustration of not being able to fix the problem for them


<They> are often doing nothing other than paying lipservice to those around them. putting on a show. nothing changes.

you percieve that they are 'putting on a show' because youre being judgemental of them. they are not trying to put on a show. none of that is for you, it is for them. often times people with addictions put it out there like you say, as sort of a contract to themselves - that maybe if they put it out, then they might bring some sort of pressure on themselves to change. this is part of what haunts and prods at them through their self consciousness. they KNOW they've said those things and let THEMSELVES down constantly. its part of the cycle

This is my problem at times with you Q, you take such a hardline stance, when common sense tells you that there can be expections. When people call you on it, you get defensive, and fight without considering what it is that people have said. You are so determined to prove you're right, that willing to carrying on, eventhough you know you are not.... I pray that if you have children that they do not have a medical condition that causes them to be overweight so you won't have to look at them as pathetic.


though i sometimes appreciate his conviction, i also sometimes agree with this...

and i wouldn't really pray that anything does or doesnt happen to anyone. if we live long enough, life has a way of teaching us all the lessons we need to learn. the key is to pick them up before its too late


I'll tell you why people hate fat people.

First of all, men hate them because of a normal predisposition that all men have, which is to imagine having sex with every woman you see. And they hate fat men because being friends with a fat guy means everybody thinks you're some kind of nerd or outcast.

Women hate fat chicks because they are jealous of the fact that they don't care about their looks and can eat as much chocolate or cake as they want without going for a 7-hour jog the next day. Women hate fat men for the same reason as men hate fat women.

If dealing with gays, just swap the appropriate genders around. (y)


There might be something to this


221-0054......next hour or so'.Aint hard to find what area'

... another idiot is gonna read this at three in the morning...


My disgust and judgement of others - for whatever, mirrors my own problems and highlights my own weaknesses so I feel guilty. I don't like facing my own prejudices so I avoid eye contact and resign myself to dislike people so as not to come to terms with my inability to accept them, and consequently, my poor character.


i just wanted to quote that

[kate]

has anyone said people hate fat people simply because they're gross?

[zorra_chiflada]

I was a fat kid for awhile like Jerry O'Connell in Stand By Me. My Aunt said I looked like the Pillsbury Doughboy.

one of my mother's best friends is jerry o'connells mother :cool:

[b i o n i c]

and rebecca romaijns mother in law?

[zorra_chiflada]

as i said before, i'm surprised that overweight people don't have anyone in their lives to tell them or make them lose weight. maybe they're scared of hurting their feelings. but i think all the implications of obesity are far worse than hurting someone's feelings.

[Chicka B]

as i said before, i'm surprised that overweight people don't have anyone in their lives to tell them or make them lose weight. maybe they're scared of hurting their feelings. but i think all the implications of obesity are far worse than hurting someone's feelings.

Yeah I know what you mean, but when I tell my mom and try to make her diet and stuff she just gets all rebellious on me and says "I don't care if I'm fat". I'm like that person in my life that makes sure I don't gain weight though. I'm actually harder on myself then anybody, because I know I could get fat. Like I said, fat people run in my family. Well they don't run...:(

[zorra_chiflada]

Yeah I know what you mean, but when I tell my mom and try to make her diet and stuff she just gets all rebellious on me and says "I don't care if I'm fat".

yeah, that's gotta be tough. especially since she is your mother, so i suppose she'd be in charge, you know?

[Chicka B]

yeah, that's gotta be tough. especially since she is your mother, so i suppose she'd be in charge, you know?

I know, I know. She's my mother and suppose to be tellin me what to do. But like, recently I had a dream she died. :( And she has heart trouble (she had open heart surgery before) and REALLY high blood pressure. I didn't know this until I told her about my dream, but she was suppose to be takin these pills for about 4 years and never took them! I just don't wanna see her die at a young age, she's only 33. She was doin ok on her diet for about a week and goin to the gym every other day. But today she sorta indulged on some fried chicken.

[milleson]

Aw hell, that remark should not be at the top of a new page.

[jlees_mcsd]

So you are all assuming that fat ppl WANT to be that way? BULLSHIT! You need to understand the way being overweight makes you feel. You get so low it is VERY hard to get back up and try to lose weight. This society is so vain it makes me sick. I wish you could all be fat for a day. Never know until you have been there!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lyman Zerga]

i heard many americans are fat because they dont have much money lolz
like junk food is much cheaper there than healthy food

right? wrong?
genius? bullshit?
fat? slim?
fuck? you?

[Qdrop]

This thread has made me realize that Qdrop is the official board joke.

you're all bark and no bite, pussy.

you've been hovering just above the land of toucan since you came to this board.

[Qdrop]

he shook......it's just 10 cents a minute son.....thats an open challege to anyone really, step to god and shit of that nature.


dude, you're crawling back into that "creepy place" of yours....

you know, that place you went when you made a "video diss" and all that.




just stop, take a breath, control yourself.
try not to embarrass yourself any further.

[Lex Diamonds]

you've been hovering just above the land of toucan since you came to this board.
And you've been throwing stones up at it from below.

[Qdrop]

And you've been throwing stones up at it from below.

don't you have someone else to go pretend to be, prof. green?

yeah, who's more pathetic....the guy who argues that fat people are disrespecting themselves...

or the guy that pretends to be some semi-famous rapper on the music section.

or the guy who challenges someone to a mother fucking "phone war"...


this thread has become a fuckin dork fest.

i'm out.

[Lex Diamonds]

don't you have someone else to go pretend to be, prof. green?

yeah, who's more pathetic....the guy who argues that fat people are disrespecting themselves...

or the guy that pretends to be some semi-famous rapper on the music section.

or the guy who challenges someone to a mother fucking "phone war"...


this thread has become a fuckin dork fest.

i'm out.
Hahahahahaha

You are PATHETIC. One-dimensional insults over a thing that isn't even insulting. And no doubt you'll carry on "flaming me" about it for at least a year.

On top of this, add the fact that you are a man in his thirties who spends a large amount of his free time insulting under-20s on the internet. Congratulations, you are officially a bona fide loser. Go get your teeth fixed.

[QueenAdrock]

i've never mocked a fat person that i saw in the gym or jogging.
i admire them.

i mock the ones at the theme park with the fried dough in one hand and the mega size coke in the other

You know, ScarySquirrel has been trying to lose weight. He's been going to the gym and working out fairly often. He's trying to lead a healthier lifestyle. Do you admire Adam for that?

And besides that, what's the difference between a girl I know who eats like a pig, doesn't work out, and is still very slim, and someone who eats like a pig, doesn't work out and is fat? Well, besides for the fact that one obviously has awesome genes, one is seen as inferior just because his outside reflects his lifestyle. No one will ever tease that girl for being unhealthy and having poor eating habits. The girl has high cholesterol and clogged arteries. She's just as unhealthy as the guy is. If you saw the same slender girl with a mega coke in their hand, would you think "Wow, that's so unhealthy. That's so gross, doesn't she see that she's killing herself?" No. You wouldn't think twice.

Simply put, it's not a health issue that people are concerned about, it's a looks issue. And it's stupid, ignorant, and shows just how vain Americans truly are.

[Qdrop]

You know, ScarySquirrel has been trying to lose weight. He's been going to the gym and working out fairly often. He's trying to lead a healthier lifestyle. Do you admire Adam for that? yeah, sure.


And besides that, what's the difference between a girl I know who eats like a pig, doesn't work out, and is still very slim, and someone who eats like a pig, doesn't work out and is fat? Well, besides for the fact that one obviously has awesome genes, one is seen as inferior just because his outside reflects his lifestyle. No one will ever tease that girl for being unhealthy and having poor eating habits. The girl has high cholesterol and clogged arteries. She's just as unhealthy as the guy is.
life ain't fair.
you deal with cards you are dealt.

you can't use other people's percieved "unfair" advantages as an excuse for your laziness.

i could come up with dozens of analogies here, but i'm guessing you don't need them.
you get it.


Simply put, it's not a health issue that people are concerned about, it's a looks issue. no, as i mentioned...it's also a health issue..and a financial one (rising health care costs)..

And it's stupid, ignorant, and shows just how vain Americans truly are.
yeah, cause only americans hate fat people.

[QueenAdrock]

life ain't fair.
you deal with cards you are dealt.

you can't use other people's percieved "unfair" advantages as an excuse for your laziness.

How is her being able to keep the weight off is an advantage? I think it's somewhat of a disadvantage, because she's going to have terrible consequences in life due to her shit eating habits, but will never even think of going to the gym because there's nothing that's giving her a reason to. No one makes fun of her, everyone tells her they're jealous that she can eat whatever she wants and not gain an ounce, etc. etc.

And I'm not saying that the guy shouldn't be exercising because it's "not fair" that others can eat and eat and not gain (they BOTH should be exercising) - I'm just pointing out hypocrisy. People look down on fat people who eat badly, and not thinner people who eat badly. Why not measure them with the same stick?


no, as i mentioned...it's also a health issue..and a financial one (rising health care costs)..

So maybe next time you see a slim girl with fried dough you should go tell her that she's going to raise health care costs? Maybe you should warn her that she's going to get diabetes, and her high cholesterol is going to fuck up her arteries and force her to get surgery? Like I said, I doubt you would think about saying something to her because you don't think of the consequences of bad eating unless they're obviously fat.

yeah, cause only americans hate fat people.
True. It shows how ignorant the whole fucking world is.

[Qdrop]

So maybe next time you see a slim girl with fried dough you should go tell her that she's going to raise health care costs? Maybe you should warn her that she's going to get diabetes, and her high cholesterol is going to fuck up her arteries and force her to get surgery? Like I said, I doubt you would think about saying something to her because you don't think of the consequences of bad eating unless they're obviously fat. while the skinny girls cholesterol and diabetes may be a risk...that is not necessarily true.

while with an obese person, it's almost a done deal.

they are not equal, queen.
it's not fair.
tough.


True. It shows how ignorant the whole fucking world is.
you are an idiot.

[QueenAdrock]

And you're not even worth my breath anymore. I'M an idiot because I think it's ignorant that people hate fat people, based on looks? Sure, okay. Fine.

You're unwilling to listen to reason, I don't even know why anyone tries with a brick wall like yourself. I feel sorry for you, I truly do. (n)

[Qdrop]

And you're not even worth my breath anymore.

You're unwilling to listen to reason, I don't even know why anyone tries with a brick wall like yourself. I feel sorry for you, I truly do. (n)

REASON?

if you could demonstrate where i clearly was going against reason or logic, you would have a point.

but you cannot.

what this comes down to is opinion vs. opinion.
and i don't agree with yours.
and you are unable to come up with qualifying or strong arguments to convince me otherwise.

that frustrates you, so you label me as a "brick wall".
like the rest of the people on here.

i'm not simply stubborn.
you just lack the ability to come up with strong, persuasive points.
it's on you, not me.

[Bob]

yeah, cause only americans hate fat people.


we're made fun of for being so vain AND for being so fat, noodle that one for a while

[DIGI]

Fat people take up way too much space in my closet!:mad:

[Qdrop]

You need to watch more TV and see the commerials with healthy "looking" people, and they have high cholesterol. Or the one with a healthy looking kid who has diabetes playing guitar with BB King. Thin people can be unhealthy to, it is just easier to assume that an overweight person is going to be unhealthy. Of course this doesn't apply to you because you always like to done your research and have the facts straight before you start spewing out theories.

dude, obviously skinny people can have cholesterol problems, jesus..i said that already.

my uncle (41, captain in the army) is in the best physical shape of his life...he had a heart attack 2 months ago.

again, though....
people with fast metabolisms but poor eating habits: it's not an automatic that they will have cholesterol issues or perhaps diabetes...not even close.

obese people: shit, it's a given. 350lb people don't live till thier 75.

[Pootytang]

Fat people are hard to kidnap. We make great shade. We sell ourselves as warmth in the winter.

I will say it again and again. I'm a big guy and I love myself very much. I say fuck what anyone else may think about my weight issues. Why would I want to hang or be friends with someone that holds my weight against me.

Any of you fat haters can kiss my ass. I know it would be an all day affair to acomplish because it is rather large.

[cosmo105]

you are an idiot.
see q, this is why people don't like to argue with you. instead of sticking to the topic, you ALWAYS get personal and insulting. that was not called for. she's far from an idiot.

[Chicka B]

Fat people are hard to kidnap. We make great shade. We sell ourselves as warmth in the winter.

I will say it again and again. I'm a big guy and I love myself very much. I say fuck what anyone else may think about my weight issues. Why would I want to hang or be friends with someone that holds my weight against me.

Any of you fat haters can kiss my ass. I know it would be an all day affair to acomplish because it is rather large.

My Grandpa has a magnet on his fridge that says that! And that's a good attitude by the way, why go through life worrying about what other people think and trying to change who you are. Fuck em. (y)

[Nuzzolese]

Why is your fat "who you are" It's not who you are, it's fat on the outside of who you are. And if I was a smoker that wouldn't be who I am either it would be an abuse of who I am. Why is the fat part of your identity? Are you just comfortable with it and fear change? Do you think you won't be the same person if you lose weight and you won't have the same friends? Are you worried that people will be fake nice to you once you lose weight? Are you ashamed to try and possibly fail? Do you avoid aiming for sexual attractiveness because you somehow fear poor sexual performance?

[Bob]

see q, this is why people don't like to argue with you. instead of sticking to the topic, you ALWAYS get personal and insulting. that was not called for. she's far from an idiot.

good luck with this!

[enree erzweglle]

obese people: shit, it's a given. 350lb people don't live till thier 75.I think about this a bit--I can't remember when last time was when I saw a fat old person. Is it that by the time they get to be in their 70s and 80s, they've learned the lesson (hard) to be healthy (and healthy GENERALLY means thinner). OR is it that the obese ones have died off by then. Maybe a combination of both.

I'm sure there are studies into this. I haven't tried to find them.

I just rarely see a fat old person. I see older people who have tummies and old ladies who have jiggly arms. But most of the old people I see tend to be sticks with white hair. That sort of loose bread-dough fat--you don't see that rolling around on oldies.

So many factors and variables. And it's not all genetics because I see skewed effects right within families, among siblings. Did I read a study recently about how consistency in weight is actually a pretty big factor in health? ...that you're doing more damage long-term by yo-yo-ing your weight up and down? How many times on these boards alone have you read about people who are re-starting their diet, re-starting their exercising because they want to drop the 10-20#ish pounds they picked up. God, if you're throwing that kind of weight on and off in your 20s, look OUT when you're my age.

[Qdrop]

see q, this is why people don't like to argue with you. instead of sticking to the topic, you ALWAYS get personal and insulting. that was not called for. she's far from an idiot.

she basically said that only Americans hate fat people.

see, when you say really stupid shit like that, you need to be called an idiot.


and the thing is, cosmo,
people always say they hate arguing with me.....yet they always oblige, every fuckin time. even you...post after post after post.


it's more ME that get's sick of it.
but we've already gone through that whole explanation....

[Waus]

Actually, I like arguing with Q.

[Nuzzolese]

Is it just as harmful to gain and lose 10-20 lbs more than once in a year if the weight is muscle? I'm not asking for myself, because I've been a muscle bound body builder my entire life and never lose it, but I'm just curious

[Bob]

she basically said that only Americans hate fat people.

see, when you say really stupid shit like that, you need to be called an idiot.


er, i don't think she was. she was agreeing with your sarcastic "yeah, only americans hate fat people" remark, if i'm not mistaken (and by that i mean, she was agreeing with the sarcasm, not the content of the statement).

i don't like arguing with Q, (but it's just so damn hard not to sometimes) but i'll confess that i like to watch. it's a guilty pleasure. i give him flak for being a jerk (i still think you're a jerk btw) but fuck it, if he were more civil about it it just wouldn't be the same. something might actually get accomplished via debate, but it wouldn't be fun to watch.

[QueenAdrock]

she basically said that only Americans hate fat people.

see, when you say really stupid shit like that, you need to be called an idiot.


Actually I made what is commonly referred to as a "mistake." Thus in my second post, I corrected myself, and said "True. The whole world is ignorant."

I know that in your world it's looked down upon to realize that you had misspoken, however. I guess my correction SHOULD be shunned. :rolleyes:

[Qdrop]

Actually I made what is commonly referred to as a "mistake." Thus in my second post, I corrected myself, and said "True. The whole world is ignorant."

I know that in your world it's looked down upon to realize that you had misspoken, however. I guess my correction SHOULD be shunned. :rolleyes:

if that's the case, i take back my "idiot" comment.
i apologize.


wait, that may dissapoint bob...
umm...



i fuckin hate you!!!!

[Qdrop]

if he were more civil about it it just wouldn't be the same. something might actually get accomplished via debate, but it wouldn't be fun to watch.

i think i do get through to people sometimes, even when they pretend i don't.

shit i don't know anymore.

that was the whole point behind my superduper gay ass "should i leave BF" poll...
i was curious just how type-cast i was, and if that just caused people to instantly dismiss anything i say.

i really don't know.
i care...and i don't care.

basically, the office is empty...everyone's gone...i have nothing to do, i'm waiting for one last email from a customer...then i'm out.

this post whoring 2-day stretch was simply unavoidable..i needed something to do.

[Bob]

i think i do get through to people sometimes, even when they pretend i don't.

but you definitely would get through to more people if you were just less of a jerk. you're a smart guy and your arguments are always very well formed, but you're so aggressive that it immediately puts everyone on the defensive. you're very difficult to agree with.

that was the whole point behind my superduper gay ass "should i leave BF" poll...
i was curious just how type-cast i was, and if that just caused people to instantly dismiss anything i say.

you are, it does and you still do it, but i'm starting to like it quite honestly

[g-mile7]

dude, you're crawling back into that "creepy place" of yours....

you know, that place you went when you made a "video diss" and all that.




just stop, take a breath, control yourself.
try not to embarrass yourself any further.


Such excellent comebacks. I mean you served me not only did you embrass me with such witty remarks about "creepy places", but you also were able to include my video diss, which if I recall you enjoyed since it was on people that you tend not to like too much on here. Trust me on this, unlike the rest of the people on here maybe, I get a little annoyed when people try and act like they are above anybody to show them respect and what not. I made a simple offer, you act as though you are one that likes a good lil debate and likes to be in the middle of things, but when someone steps up to you you have to result in such kiddie taunts. I dont see how I am embrassing myself when I do not see these people on here in real life, if anything, you have embrassed yourself (although you might not feel this way) by trying to justify any sort of HATE towards a group of individuals who do not directly affect you. You make fun of the stigma and agony of a group of individuals, stereotyping them based on yoru own flawed perceptions based on your own understanding of fat people (ex: they are lazy, self-loathing, etc.)

There is nothing "scary" about not being afraid to stand up to what can be perceived as a bully. And trust me the only thing scary about me going back to that place, you know were I had to make a video addressing how I felt bout a situion that was fucked to me so people could better understand my point of view, is the fact that I might make the great Q look like even more of an ass then he is being percived as.

[Qdrop]

you're a smart guy and your arguments are always very well formed, but you're so aggressive that it immediately puts everyone on the defensive. you're very difficult to agree with.



you are, it does and you still do it, but i'm starting to like it quite honestly

you foolish, foolish man....

now my ego has been replenished! now i'm unstoppable!

[Auton]

i heard many americans are fat because they dont have much money lolz
like junk food is much cheaper there than healthy food

right? wrong?
genius? bullshit?
fat? slim?
fuck? you?

fast food is actually alot more expensive than healthy alternatives. my brother and his wife were getting kind of heavy, and not doing well, when they were eating fastfood all the time. since they actually started cooking meals for themselves, they not only lost tons of weight, but they also had a lot more money.

[ggirlballa]

no one in my family is obese my dad is a little overwight though ,kinda chubby

my brother got the good genes he has a body like Usher but eats whatever the fuck he wants & hardly excercises (u would cring at the shit he eats so much soda & fast-food & his docter says he's healthy!)

My mom was fat but then she started dieting and lost all the weight & is "normal" but she still has some flab

I used to be overwieght but slimmed out when i got taller now i'm normal but i gain weight easily thats why i'm constantly taking care of myself i excercise everyday and eat tons of fruit & some veggies.

i used to eat scrambled eggs everyday 4 breakfast(n)

now i eat oatmeal everyday for breakfast(y)

lunch used to be fast -food places

now its pretty much subway and healthy stuff

[TimDoolan]

I just learned about Gayle Grinds, a 4 foot 10, 480 lb woman who died in 04 from morbid obesity. She had laid on her couch for five years and when she died emergency workers had to surgically seperate her from the couch apolstery. She had turned into a giant bed sore. She had literally become one with the couch.

[ScarySquirrel]

You know, ScarySquirrel has been trying to lose weight. He's been going to the gym and working out fairly often. He's trying to lead a healthier lifestyle. Do you admire Adam for that?yeah, sure.
Always glad to be the receiver of your admiration, Q.

Seriously, you haven't got anything better to do other than debate this pointless crap with people you're obviously not going to listen to? Let's face it, you're right and everyone else is wrong. Why even bother coming in here anymore? They're too stupid to see how wrong they are! Oh mighty Qdrop, lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.

The rest of y'all are just as bad for trying to convince him to see your way. Big deal... he hates fat people. It's no skin off my nose and it certainly shouldn't be any off anyone else's either. Sometimes you just have to let people have their views about life and leave it at that.

[Lyman Zerga]

fast food is actually alot more expensive than healthy alternatives. my brother and his wife were getting kind of heavy, and not doing well, when they were eating fastfood all the time. since they actually started cooking meals for themselves, they not only lost tons of weight, but they also had a lot more money.

ok thanks
but why are the documentaries lying to us?
maybe they want us to hate america even more and make sure we wont move there?

im so lost

[alexandra]

just finished reading this thread. it's good.

[g-mile7]

just finished reading this thread. it's good.



Like Good Eating?;)

[I'm Fat]

I am too fat to buy clothes. :(
Still true. :(

Stop making fun of fat people! It hurts!

[g-mile7]

"Y'all need to take a clue from ToucanSpam, I'm Fat....and just pity yourselves real quick"


Stop abusing the lack of modship with this account'

[b i o n i c]

fat people are not jolly, in case anyone thought otherwise...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/07/04/obesity.depression.ap/index.html

[g-mile7]

fat people are not jolly, in case anyone thought otherwise...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/07/04/obesity.depression.ap/index.html


hahahaha what are the chances of a report like that coming up at this time?