View Full Version : Disney....racist?
mickill
06-30-2006, 01:06 PM
I know it's an old topic, but do you think that a lot of those racial and discriminatory issues still exist in the Disney films of today? Or with the company itself?
I think it's sort of a stretch when people talk about the how the good guys wear white, the bad guys wear black; the good guys speak proper english, while the bad guys talk like Middle Eastern terrorists and whatever. I guess that there's always the cotton-picking Uncle Remus singing Zip A Dee Doo Dah. And of course, there's this (http://www.thememoryhole.org/arts/sunflower.htm). I can't really decide, myself.
sercomdj01
06-30-2006, 01:27 PM
Atleast its not mexican...
like2_drink
06-30-2006, 01:30 PM
woooow to that pic
sercomdj01
06-30-2006, 01:32 PM
Is this the same disney that racial abused many of his employees from poor backgrounds who did menial jobs? Just asking.
Echewta
06-30-2006, 01:33 PM
That blonde is hot.
So they took the character out. Isn't that a good sign?
I guess cartoons of donald duck dropping bombs on the "japs" wasn't a good thing either but those were the times and the days.
The movies over the last few decades have covered a variety of races (represented by animals) and times. Disney is much more sensitive than most other companies to who and what people are. Gay days at Walt Disney World? Come on.
it kind of reminds me of these banned looney tunes cartoons that i have on my computer that are extremely racist for the same reasons, they have very sambo-esque characters. maybe it's more of a time period thing than a disney thing.
Echewta
06-30-2006, 01:37 PM
Yes. Time period.
Sambo's is a resturant in Santa Barbara which is actually based on an Alladin type character.
http://www.santabarbara.com/dining/review_read.asp?pk_restaurant=773
sercomdj01
06-30-2006, 01:38 PM
Daffy duck was black, donald was white. Now which do you thinks most racist?
and i wear sambas on my feet but that's neither here nor there
Lyman Zerga
06-30-2006, 01:39 PM
pocahontas was the last disney movie i liked, i think
DroppinScience
06-30-2006, 01:52 PM
I have a Disney DVD that compiles various WWII-era work that Disney did back in those days. Basically, they have various educational and propaganda videos whose purpose was to inform the public about the cause we're fighting for and how you can buy war bonds, etc. etc. The Canadian government even got Disney to do some stuff to gear the Canadians up for war, too.
Of course there were various silly cartoons that had outdated depictions of the Japanese.
When it comes to this sort of thing, you really have to just understand the context. That was the time period it came from and it's merely a product of said era. We live in a much much more politically correct environment and we simply couldn't get away with doing the same stuff today as they did for the Germans and Japanese in the 1940s.
looking back, i think mickill's question was whether or not those issues that we've all been mentioning STILL exist today.
i dunno actually. i haven't noticed.
DroppinScience
06-30-2006, 02:02 PM
looking back, i think mickill's question was whether or not those issues that we've all been mentioning STILL exist today.
i dunno actually. i haven't noticed.
It may still exist, but I think it's safe to say it ain't to the same extent as it was 50+ years back.
Afterall, hasn't Disney been doing lots of movies that are racially sensitive for years now?
mickill
06-30-2006, 02:02 PM
That blonde is hot.
So they took the character out. Isn't that a good sign?
I guess cartoons of donald duck dropping bombs on the "japs" wasn't a good thing either but those were the times and the days.
The movies over the last few decades have covered a variety of races (represented by animals) and times. Disney is much more sensitive than most other companies to who and what people are. Gay days at Walt Disney World? Come on.
Well, that's what I mean. I think pretty much every major studio during that time could be accused of the same. But Disney still gets a lot of flack today.
In regards to the cultural diversity in Disney movies, you can still cite the obvious class distinctions. The recurring theme of the impoverished, struggling, poor lead character usually ending up being a prince or a princess or an emperor and basically having it all made by the end of the film. This is essentially teaching kids to aim high, I know. And that with the help of a magic lamp or a fairy godmother, pretty much anything is possible.
it kind of reminds me of these banned looney tunes cartoons that i have on my computer that are extremely racist for the same reasons, they have very sambo-esque characters. maybe it's more of a time period thing than a disney thing.
Tom & Jerry always comes to mind. Like when the voice for the "housekeeper" changed.
It may still exist, but I think it's safe to say it ain't to the same extent as it was 50+ years back.
Afterall, hasn't Disney been doing lots of movies that are racially sensitive for years now?
yeah, i agree with that. if nothing else, it's more subtle. i really don't know, i don't watch disney, i think it's boring.
yet i'll throw my opinion into the ring anyway
mickill
06-30-2006, 02:08 PM
Please elaborate, Bob.
hardnox71
06-30-2006, 02:12 PM
And of course, there's this (http://www.thememoryhole.org/arts/sunflower.htm). I can't really decide, myself.
Fantasia is one of my all time favorites. My very first tattoo sixteen years ago was Mickey Mouse dressed as the Sorcerer's Apprentice. I was never aware of this Sunflower character. That is really disheartening but it doesn't suprise me since that was the racial climate back in that period.
I've heard of a bunch of shit that goes on and has gone on behind the scenes at Disney. A friend of mine worked at Disney World in Florida one summer on an internship and he told me that it was just plain scary the power that this fucking company has. He said it's like they try to brainwash their employees. When you are working you are 'on stage' (no matter what job in the park you have). When you have your uniform on you are 'in costume'. They try do dictate what their employees do with their free time and so forth. And also, you notice how you never, ever hear anything about any injuries or assaults on children or anything bad ever happening on the park grounds? The serious injuries are endless and an amusement park full of kids is pedophile's dream come true. My friend said that shit goes on all the time but Disney owns a large block of media so alot of shit gets cleaned up, filtered or, in alot of cases, deleted and forgotten altogether. Also, a nice fat check makes alot of complaints and potential lawsuits just go away.
He told me a bunch of other weird shit but I can't remember it all.
well i mean, i agree with DS that the racism, if it exists (i'm not saying that it does) certainly isn't to the same extent that it was back in the 50's or whenever. i mean, you don't see sambos or buckwheats or anything doing the jim crow and eating watermelons. so IF they are still racist (not saying they are or aren't), then it's just more subtle. that's all.
unless you wanted me to elaborate on why i think disney is boring. i just think the plots are a little dull is all. although i did like pirates of the caribbean
Fantasia is one of my all time favorites. My very first tattoo sixteen years ago was Mickey Mouse dressed as the Scorcerer's Apprentice. I was never aware of this Sunflower character. That is really disheartening but it doesn't suprise me since that was the racial climate back in that period.
I've heard of a bunch of shit that goes on and has gone on behind the scenes at Disney. A friend of mine worked at Disney World in Florida one summer on an internship and he told me that it was just plain scary the power that this fucking company has. He said it's like they try to brainwash their employees. When you are working you are 'on stage' (no matter what job in the park you have). When you have your uniform on you are 'in costume'. They try do dictate what their employees do with their free time and so forth. And also, you notice how you never, ever hear anything about any injuries or assaults on children or anything bad ever happening on the park grounds? The serious injuries are endless and an amusement park full of kids is pedophile's dream come true. My friend said that shit goes on all the time but Disney owns a large block of media so alot of shit gets cleaned up, filtered or in alot of cases, deleted and forgotten altogether.
He told me a bunch of other weird shit but I can't remember it all.
http://snopes.com/disney/disney.asp
this is all interesting stuff like that, if you ever have a lot of free time.
hardnox71
06-30-2006, 02:32 PM
http://snopes.com/disney/disney.asp
this is all interesting stuff like that, if you ever have a lot of free time.
Interesting site. My friend told me there is a book that points out case by case, incident by incident all the bullshit that Disney is about but, for the life of me, I can't remember what it's called.
The Notorious LOL
06-30-2006, 02:36 PM
The Canadian government even got Disney to do some stuff to gear the Canadians up for war, too.
What, in the event that every other countries army on earth had been exhausted they could call in the 20 canadian soldiers to assist?
mickill
06-30-2006, 02:37 PM
Disney owns the ABC tv network, ESPN, Miramax, US Weekly and a bunch of other media enterprises, I just can't remember what the other ones are.
DipDipDive
06-30-2006, 02:52 PM
I don't pay attention to the content of Disney productions, what with the whole having a conscience thing and not being willing to support a corporate monster that exploits third world nations while attempting to teach children about morality and values.
So I'm afraid I can't comment.
IDIOTSVILLE
06-30-2006, 02:59 PM
Goofy and Mickey are black and Donald makes fun of them all the time...
hardnox71
06-30-2006, 02:59 PM
I could have sworn this said something different a second ago. Hmmmm...
THAT IS SO FUNNY!!!
cmute, I just caught that and I am cracking up!! But that's pretty much it, right there. You hit it right on the head.
DipDipDive
06-30-2006, 02:59 PM
Goofy and Mickey are black and Donald makes fun of them all the time...
Profound stuff right here, folks.
mickey's usually pretty on the ball though. donald's an ass.
IDIOTSVILLE
06-30-2006, 03:07 PM
mickey's usually pretty on the ball though. donald's an ass.
What about goofy?
goofy's slow, but i'm just saying that it doesn't really mean anything, because donald is hardly the good guy in the group, mickey's the only really consistently good one.
mickill
06-30-2006, 03:09 PM
A lot of people support Disney whether they know it or not. You might think that you're just innocently watching a basketball game, or the World Cup, or Lost or A&E, but you're putting money in Disney's pocket. They own Touchstone Pictures, Miramax, Buena Vista, a bunch of radio stations....you can't avoid it as much as you'd like to think you can.
IDIOTSVILLE
06-30-2006, 03:11 PM
Bugs Bunny Vs. Mickey in a fight Who would win?
Echewta
06-30-2006, 03:13 PM
Donald also dresses like a sailor with no pants which is an attack on the U.S. military and are good intensions of spreading freedom around the world.
DipDipDive
06-30-2006, 03:19 PM
A lot of people support Disney whether they know it or not. You might think that you're just innocently watching a basketball game, or the World Cup, or Lost or A&E, but you're putting money in Disney's pocket. They own Touchstone Pictures, Miramax, Buena Vista, a bunch of radio stations....you can't avoid it as much as you'd like to think you can.
Right. Because they're a beast of a corporation that systemically takes shit over and steps on the little people in the process. That's precisely why I despise everything that they stand for. I mean, how much money does one corporation REALLY need? For all I know, Disney will own my bed and shower in the next year and then I'll really be fucked.
Really the only Disney affiliated network that I watch is ESPN, and believe me, I was pissed when I found out that they had bought it out. I avoid it as much as possible, but you're right, it's not as easy as just not seeing the movies they release because they have enough money to take over the world. And they are. And it's fucking scary.
IDIOTSVILLE
06-30-2006, 03:21 PM
Donald also dresses like a sailor with no pants which is an attack on the U.S. military and are good intensions of spreading freedom around the world.
:eek: Thats not cool (n)
mickill
06-30-2006, 03:30 PM
Right. Because they're a beast of a corporation that systemically takes shit over and steps on the little people in the process. That's precisely why I despise everything that they stand for. I mean, how much money does one corporation REALLY need? For all I know, Disney will own my bed and shower in the next year and then I'll really be fucked.
Really the only Disney affiliated network that I watch is ESPN, and believe me, I was pissed when I found out that they had bought it out. I avoid it as much as possible, but you're right, it's not as easy as just not seeing the movies they release because they have enough money to take over the world. And they are. And it's fucking scary.
Relax. I'm sure Wal-Mart will take over the world long before Disney gets the chance.
BangkokB
06-30-2006, 03:48 PM
And Scrooge McDuck gives scottish people a bad name.
Seriously, you sound like an oversensitive fag that needs to quit over ANALysing everything because you finished smoking your joint.
Bugs is Hip
Daffy is Black
Elmer has a speech impediment
Fog Horn Leghorn is a cock roster from the south
Speedy Gonzales is a fast short Mexican that runs in and out of the boarder
Pepe Lepeu is a stinky Frenchman that thinks he's sexy
DipDipDive
06-30-2006, 03:56 PM
Relax. I'm sure Wal-Mart will take over the world long before Disney gets the chance.
:(
mickill
06-30-2006, 03:58 PM
And Scrooge McDuck gives scottish people a bad name.
Seriously, you sound like an oversensitive fag that needs to quit over ANALysing everything because you finished smoking your joint.
Who are you talking to?
TimDoolan
06-30-2006, 04:03 PM
"What makes the red man red?
Why does he ask you how?"
-Indian Chief, Walt Disney's Peter Pan
I'm surprised no one mentioned Disney's Peter Pan yet. The insensitive depictions of the Indians would never be acceptable today. But those were different times, when one could get away with that kind of stuff. I don't think Disney was racist.
I wish Disney would release song of the south. It wouldn't hurt anyone.
TimDoolan
06-30-2006, 04:13 PM
Fantasia is one of my all time favorites. My very first tattoo sixteen years ago was Mickey Mouse dressed as the Sorcerer's Apprentice. I was never aware of this Sunflower character. That is really disheartening but it doesn't suprise me since that was the racial climate back in that period.
I've heard of a bunch of shit that goes on and has gone on behind the scenes at Disney. A friend of mine worked at Disney World in Florida one summer on an internship and he told me that it was just plain scary the power that this fucking company has. He said it's like they try to brainwash their employees. When you are working you are 'on stage' (no matter what job in the park you have). When you have your uniform on you are 'in costume'. They try do dictate what their employees do with their free time and so forth. And also, you notice how you never, ever hear anything about any injuries or assaults on children or anything bad ever happening on the park grounds? The serious injuries are endless and an amusement park full of kids is pedophile's dream come true. My friend said that shit goes on all the time but Disney owns a large block of media so alot of shit gets cleaned up, filtered or, in alot of cases, deleted and forgotten altogether. Also, a nice fat check makes alot of complaints and potential lawsuits just go away.
He told me a bunch of other weird shit but I can't remember it all.
Absolutely. Sweeped under the carpet. The show must go on, as they say in the trade.
BangkokB
06-30-2006, 04:28 PM
Who are you talking to?
I'm just saying that this "racist this / racist that" by and large is bullshit used by hypersensitive crackpots that need to relax and quit over analyzing everything.
Sorry I didn't read the thread. But I was just putting my 2 cents that ___ = racist doesn't really ruffle my feathers bc it seems everyone screams and cries "That's Racist"~It's a tired busted phrase. Used too often and now has no weight
Qdrop
06-30-2006, 04:35 PM
I'm just saying that this "racist this / racist that" by and large is bullshit used by hypersensitive crackpots that need to relax and quit over analyzing everything.
Sorry I didn't read the thread. But I was just putting my 2 cents that ___ = racist doesn't really ruffle my feathers bc it seems everyone screams and cries "That's Racist"~It's a tired busted phrase. Used too often and now has no weight
the man has a point.
yeahwho
06-30-2006, 11:29 PM
I don't think Disney is intentionally anything but a corporate monster. I dig going to Disneyland and have seen a shitload of Disney movies. I'm sort of obsessed with the whole Disneyland fake reality thing, especially the engineering of tripping reality.
I've read alot of Disney Park books, checkout this book by Miami Heralds Carl Hiaasen, "Team Rodent (http://www.bookreporter.com/reviews/0345422805.asp)" it's a great read for the Disney haters and lovers.
Lyman Zerga
07-01-2006, 02:30 AM
i saw a few old clips on tv with donald duck hailing all the time, very weird
here it isnt allowed to sell such things
which sucks cause i find it pretty interesting
IDIOTSVILLE
07-02-2006, 04:21 AM
I done some digging around on the internet and found these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKwCMmvI_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzT5-PD5S7s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bek8ECIgkMc
Lyman Zerga
07-02-2006, 04:39 AM
DONALD HAIL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGgvBMWmANY&mode=related&search=DONALD%20DUCK%20HAIL)
thats what i saw
haha thats my man donald (y)
TurdBerglar
07-02-2006, 06:18 AM
wow
i love propaganda
synch
07-02-2006, 07:06 AM
pocahontas was the last disney movie i liked, i think
Talk about racial stereotyping... :)
hardnox71
07-03-2006, 01:57 PM
I'm just saying that this "racist this / racist that" by and large is bullshit used by hypersensitive crackpots that need to relax and quit over analyzing everything.
Sorry I didn't read the thread. But I was just putting my 2 cents that ___ = racist doesn't really ruffle my feathers bc it seems everyone screams and cries "That's Racist"~It's a tired busted phrase. Used too often and now has no weight
I agree with you to some extent, Bangkok. The phrase is worn the fuck out but in this situation I don't see where that applies. I mean, look at the picture. This Sunflower character is clearly a racist depiction of African Americans. Not only is the hair twisted up in bows, but the lips are abnormally sized, the eyes are wide in that 'feets don't fail me now' manner and to top it all off, Sunflower is grinning from ear to motherfucking ear while shining shoes (or hoofs.....whatever.)
If you can't see the racism in this picture Bangkok then you just don't want to see it.
IDIOTSVILLE
07-03-2006, 02:06 PM
DONALD HAIL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGgvBMWmANY&mode=related&search=DONALD%20DUCK%20HAIL)
thats what i saw
haha thats my man donald (y)
Is that real?
COz that is hilarous
marsdaddy
07-03-2006, 02:40 PM
So, is DDD moving off the grid?
IDIOTSVILLE
07-04-2006, 10:31 AM
I look on wikipedia. Link Here ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasia_%28film%29
It says
The film was once again edited for the 1969 release, this time to remove Sunflower, a centaur depicted as an African-American girl in the Pastoral Symphony segment. According to the Memory Hole, "Performing menial duties for the blonde, white female centaurs, Sunflower is a racial stereotype along the lines of Amos and Andy, Buckwheat, and Aunt Jemima." Fantasia was originally banned in Ireland.
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