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SobaViolence
07-04-2006, 11:33 AM
Independence Day Speech at Rochester, 1841

Fellow citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here today? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?

Would to God, both for your sakes and ours, that an affirmative answer could be truthfully returned to these questions! Then would my task be light, and my burden easy and delightful. For who is there so cold that a nation’s sympathy could not warm him? Who so obdurate and dead to the claims of gratitude that would not thankfully acknowledge such priceless benefits? Who so stolid and selfish that would not give his voice to swell the hallelujahs of a nation’s jubilee, when the chains of servitude had been torn from his limbs? I am not that man. In a case like that the dumb might eloquently speak and the “lame man leap as an hart.”

But such is not the state of the case. I say it with a sad sense of the disparity between us. am not included within the pale of this glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice are not enjoyed in common. The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity, and independence bequeathed by your fathers is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought light and healing to you has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth of July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the grand illuminated temple of liberty, and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems, were inhuman mockery and sacrilegious irony. Do you mean, citizens, to mock me by asking me to speak today? If so, there is a parallel to your conduct. And let me warn that it is dangerous to copy the example of nation whose crimes, towering up to heaven, were thrown down by the breath of the Almighty, burying that nation in irrevocable ruin! I can today take up the plaintive lament of a peeled and woe-smitten people.

“By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down. Yea! We wept when we remembered Zion. We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof. For there, they that carried us away captive, required of us a song; and they who wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion. How can we sing the Lord’s song in a strange land? If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. If do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth.”

Fellow citizens, above your national, tumultuous joy, I hear the mournful wail of millions! Whose chains, heavy and grievous yesterday, are, today, rendered more intolerable by the jubilee shouts that reach them. If I do forget, if I do not faithfully remember those bleeding children of sorry this day, “may my right hand cleave to the roof of my mouth”! To forget them, to pass lightly over their wrongs, and to chime in with the popular theme would be treason most scandalous and shocking, and would make me a reproach before God and the world. My subject, then, fellow citizens, is American slavery. I shall see this day and its popular characteristics from the slave’s point of view. Standing there identified with the American bondman, making his wrongs mine. I do not hesitate to declare with all my soul that the character and conduct of this nation never looked blacker to me than on this Fourth of July! Whether we turn to the declarations of the past or to the professions of the present, the conduct of the nation seems equally hideous and revolting. America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future. Standing with God and the crushed and bleeding slave on this occasion, I will, in the name of humanity which is outraged, in the name of liberty which is fettered, in the name of the Constitution and the Bible which are disregarded and trampled upon, dare to call in question and to denounce, with all the emphasis I can command, everything that serves to perpetuate slavery-the great sin and shame of America! “I will not equivocate, I will not excuse”; I will use the severest language I can command; and yet not one word shall escape me that any man, whose judgment is not blinded by prejudice, shall not confess to be right and just….

For the present, it is enough to affirm the equal manhood of the Negro race. Is it not as astonishing that, while we are plowing, planting, and reaping, using all kinds of mechanical tools, erecting houses, constructing bridges, building ships, working in metals of brass, iron, copper, and secretaries, having among us lawyers doctors, ministers, poets, authors, editors, orators, and teachers; and that, while we are engaged in all manner of enterprises common to other men, digging gold in California, capturing the whale in the Pacific, feeding sheep and cattle on the hillside, living, moving, acting, thinking, planning, living in families as husbands, wives, and children, and above all, confessing and worshiping the Christian’s God, and looking hopefully for life and immortality beyond the grave, we are called upon to prove that we are men!...

What, am I to argue that it is wrong to make men brutes, to rob them of their liberty, to work them without wages, to keep them ignorant of their relations to their fellow men, to beat them with sticks, to flay their flesh with the lash, to load their limbs with irons, to hunt them with dogs, to sell them at auction, to sunder their families, to knock out their teeth, to burn their flesh, to starve them into obedience and submission to their masters? Must I argue that a system thus marked with blood, and stained with pollution, is wrong? No! I will not. I have better employment for my time and strength than such arguments would imply….

What, to the American slave, is your Fourth of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants, brass-fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to Him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy-a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States at this very hour.

Go where you may, search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms- of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse, and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival.

Whatitis
07-04-2006, 12:50 PM
It's because of people like Frederick Douglass, no matter the race or gender, America is a great country.


Happy 4th. :)

CrankItUp!
07-04-2006, 07:06 PM
Yeah !

Its a day off - so celebrate and blow shit up ! :)

racer5.0stang
07-04-2006, 08:34 PM
I find it hard to believe that people can say that this country was not founded by men and women who believed in God. In these few sentences, there are many references to God and more specifically, the God of the Bible.

This same speech would never make it to the people's ear due to the references to the "Christian God".

Isn't it funny that we can pray "publically" in anyone's name that is given among men except Jesus Christ?

Acts 4:10-12
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Funkaloyd
07-04-2006, 09:15 PM
I find it hard to believe that people can say that this country was not founded by men and women who believed in God.Who said that? Give us a link or reference, not just an anecdote.

Schmeltz
07-05-2006, 01:00 PM
This same speech would never make it to the people's ear due to the references to the "Christian God".


People are different now, of course. In 1841 a lot more people believed in the Christian God than do now. What's really at issue is not whether the Founding Fathers believed in God, but whether God has any place at all in the institutions of a modern, free nation. Of course, he doesn't.

And at any rate, this speech would never make it to the contemporary American ear simply due to its sheer eloquence and use of words with multiple syllables. Compare this speech with anything ever said by George W. Bush. Douglass' words leap off the page (or screen, I guess) burning with conviction and appeal to educated sentiments; he combines passion and emotion with refined diction and an obvious appreciation for the arts of rhetoric. Can you even picture Bush trying to get his mouth around words like "obdurate" and "stolid" and "irrevocable"? Goes pretty far in showing the state into which American public discourse has plummetted over the years.

racer5.0stang
07-05-2006, 04:04 PM
People are different now, of course.

And at any rate, this speech would never make it to the contemporary American ear simply due to its sheer eloquence and use of words with multiple syllables.

That is very true. Check this article out, it goes right along with your thought.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13716134/?GT1=8307

How much dumber can we strive to be or become?

People don't want to work for the things that they have, they want them given to them.

What's really at issue is not whether the Founding Fathers believed in God, but whether God has any place at all in the institutions of a modern, free nation. Of course, he doesn't.

In our day and time, the truth, often does not have any place in our institutions or lives.

As I sayed before, we can pray to any name given (Budha, Elvis, etc.) but mention Jesus Christ and you are facing a lawsuit.

STANKY808
07-05-2006, 04:45 PM
You are including yourself in this right? I mean you post a link regarding the proponents of phonetic spelling then you use the word "sayed" instead of "said" (Maybe you were making a point?)

And sorry, but who has been sued for mentioning Jesus Christ?

Funkaloyd
07-05-2006, 08:24 PM
I find it hard to believe that people can say that this country was not founded by men and women who believed in God.Who said that? Give us a link or reference, not just an anecdote.
Or don't. Maybe you learnt of these revisionist atheist historians the same place you learnt about the opposable thumb.

Bob
07-06-2006, 08:19 AM
I find it hard to believe that people can say that this country was not founded by men and women who believed in God. In these few sentences, there are many references to God and more specifically, the God of the Bible.

i don't think anyone does say that. nobody worth talking to, anyway.

Schmeltz
07-06-2006, 10:18 AM
In our day and time, the truth, often does not have any place in our institutions or lives.


Conflating "God" with "the truth" is a matter for personal decision, not institutional policy. You should be allowed to pray to whomever you please in your own home, but public figures really shouldn't pray to anybody.